Worse than that, imo, is "kiddos" for kids.
Drives me NUTS.
You are correct, OP, "folk" is singular and plural.
R4. I believe that folk/folks is like staff/staffs. Both are correct.
Within a couple of minutes of reading your post, R3, I read something on another forum by a woman who described her neighborhood as being "good for kiddos."
I don't think I'd noticed "kiddo" before, but now I can't get its awfulness out of my head. Is it Australian?
If it's Australian, it's decades old. And I used to live in Australia and none of their many shortened words bugged me then.
But "kiddos" has been popping up a lot lately on my facebook wall and in conversation, and I know it's irrational, but it IRKS me something fierce!
the one that drives me nuts is 'black folk'. it's so condescending and it was all over DL for awhile, especially during the last election.
And quit saying focuses!
"Y'all" immediately tells me the person saying it is an ignorant southerner.
I agree, I HATE folks, kiddos, and... PREGGERS! Ugh!
"Folks" = news media and Obama.
You folks are too touchy.
People should stop saying preventative. Preventive has the same meaning.
It's also normal in some Southern dialects. Unclench the grammar pearls, OP.
The Voice of the Night
Professional, educated people should not be saying "folks". It's patronizing. Obama only does it because he wants to be seen as down with the real 'muricans.
I heart R14.
Same with "orientated," R14. "Oriented" is the only word you need.
Some folks just can't be changed.
I hate the silly term "peeps"
I like "peeps."
Because you're all white and sugary R21,a regular marshmallow.
I'm in St. Louis and love it when a waitress asks my partner and me what she can get "for you guyses."
It happens with surprising frequency.
And my favorite quote from a state worker in Iowa who heard I was from St. Louis:
"Ain't that where them arches is?"
I've lived a couple of places where a party of more than one person is called "youse."
The use of focuses as a verb is correct.
You must mean it the plural of focus as a noun?
as in "The class studying hamsters focuses on the rare red bottom and green eared varieties. Those two specifically will be the foci of our next trip. Have I gotten it right?
R26, that was perfect, except for the fact that you forgot your close parenthesis after the word "trip."
Correct use of "focuses" and "foci," though.
I agree OP. It is an Obama tic I find extremely annoying and condescending, though I don't think that's how he consciously intends it.
There's also a poster here who addresses the DL hoi polloi the same way, beginning sentences with "Folks" before he tells us all how it really is. I leave a thread when he appears.
I remember when I was a waiter, I would always ask a table: How are you guys doing today? In SoCal, where I'm from, "guys" is frequently to address a group of people, even if the group is of mixed gender. More than a few times, a woman would reprimand me and say she wasn't a guy.
Okay. I got it. So I changed to: How are you folks doing today? No one seemed to complain, but I always felt weird saying it.
Honestly, how would you address a group? How are you people doing? That sounds way too formal. How is everybody doing? I guess that works. Meh. Who cares?
[quote]Correct use of "focuses" and "foci," though.
The rule is that when a foreign word becomes thoroughly integrated into English, the plural takes standard English plurals instead of the correct plural in the original language.
The plural of octopus is now octopuses, not octopi as it used to be. The plural of focus is now focuses, not foci. The plural of bureau is bureaus, not bureaux. The plural of opus is now opuses, not opera. The plural of appendix is now appendixes, not appendices.
[quote]Honestly, how would you address a group?
If you are a server, I'd prefer, "Good evening. May I tell you about our specials?"
"How are you doing today?" or "How are all of you doing today?" would work. "You" is inclusive enough that it doesn't need to be embellished.
THAT'S ALL FOLKS!
R30, by what authority are you claiming this rule change? Has this been circulated and approved by the proper authorities, and widely disseminated to wordsmiths?
Why have I not heard of it?
[quote]And I used to live in Australia and none of their many shortened words bugged me then.
I hate how Australians say "barbie" for "barbecue" or "surfie" for "surfer." They think it's so cutesie. *retch*
I also hate how some people refer to their parents as "my folks." You don't hear that much anymore, but when I watch old movies it grates on my nerves!
English has borrowed a great many words from Latin and Classical Greek. The general trend with loanwords is toward what is called Anglicization or naturalization, that is, the re-formation of the word and its inflections as normal English words. Many nouns (particularly ones from Latin) have retained their original plurals for some time after they are introduced. Other nouns have become Anglicized, taking on the normal "s" ending. In some cases, both forms are still competing.
[quote]R30, by what authority are you claiming this rule change? Has this been circulated and approved by the proper authorities, and widely disseminated to wordsmiths? Why have I not heard of it?
It's been this way for decades, in both academic and mainstream circles. I honestly couldn't guess why you've never heard of it.
The problem is that loanwords become fully assimilated at different rates. So some foreign words still take their foreign plurals, while others take English formations. From Wikipedia:
[quote]English has borrowed a great many words from Latin and Classical Greek. The general trend with loanwords is toward what is called Anglicization or naturalization, that is, the re-formation of the word and its inflections as normal English words. Many nouns (particularly ones from Latin) have retained their original plurals for some time after they are introduced. Other nouns have become Anglicized, taking on the normal "s" ending. In some cases, both forms are still competing.
[quote]The choice of a form can often depend on context: for a linguist, the plural of appendix is appendices (following the original language); for physicians, however, the plural of appendix is appendixes. Likewise, a radio or radar engineer works with antennas, but an entomologist deals with antennae. The choice of form can also depend on the level of discourse: traditional Latin plurals are found more often in academic and scientific contexts, whereas in daily speech the Anglicized forms are more common.
Consult any dictionary. I like American Heritage, some prefer Webster's or Collins or even Dictionary.com. You'll see that the English plural is uniformly listed first (as "preferred"), with the foreign-language form listed second, or even listed as obsolete.
[quote]that was perfect, except for the fact that you forgot your close parenthesis after the word "trip."
He needed to close the quote (not a parenthesis), R27. No more grammar nazi-ing for you.
Is Alicia Minshew contracted with PP?
Are we to assume that Kendall and Tad both died by JR's hand?
The Voice of the Night
Advice to public speakers, especially white politicians:
Never address a group of African-Americans as "you people."
Obama's "folks" = "screw the middle classes, I will never accept them. My father's other families were Kenyan middle class and I was on a full ride at Columbia, doing tons of drugs in New York instead of at his funeral."