Joan Collins "Being objectified as a woman is not the same as sexual exploitation"
"Sexually exploited? Do me a favor. Exploited is being a child sex slave, not being whistled at or chatted up or hassled. It is part of growing up, something that your parents don't tell you about."
"When my sister was 13 and I was 17 we were followed in Cannes all over the streets by a very famous film star trying to chat us up. Just remember, girls, that you have the power. Not the men."
When Joan Collins was seventeen, Cannes was part of the Roman Empire.
So, only attractive girls have power?
Well you can't play hard to get if no one wants to get you, simple mathematics. I think Joan meant that all women have sexual power over men, but realistically only sexy women do.
Excerpt from the linked article:
Joan has written a new book, a kind of manifesto for modern living in which she gives her thoughts on everything from parenting to bad manners to politics.
Included in it is the fact that her first husband, the film star Maxwell Reed, raped her on their first date when she was an 18-year-old ingénue.
‘I only married him because I was so embarrassed that he had taken my virginity,’ she says today.
Exactly @ R3! Watch that power go up in a puff of smoke once you hit 40. No one is immune. It's the same for gay men.
She an that babbling old fool Jeremy Irons should get together. They sound like the perfect pair.
Saying the "male gaze" is whiny, PC bullshit is hardly comparable to what Jeremy Irons said.
[quote]Included in it is the fact that her first husband, the film star Maxwell Reed, raped her on their first date when she was an 18-year-old ingénue.
[quote]‘I only married him because I was so embarrassed that he had taken my virginity,’ she says today.
Is this really someone to take advice on "female empowerment" from?
Sorry to post OT but Dominic Monaghan is on Adam Carolla's podcast today. Does anyone want to create a thread and party like its 2001?
lol @ R1 - that HAS to make wit & wisdom...
What a pity Collins never stared in a really great movie.
How so? Am i wrong? Something escapes me?
I beg to differ, R7. JC is a self loathing, sick twist of a rape victim. She MARRIED her rapist. As R8 said, she is the last person on earth who should be vomiting advice about female empowerment.
She an JI are indeed the perfect pair.
R14, thank you so much for posting that. It was indeed a great scene! I enjoyed it a lot and Joan Collins was very sexy and riveting in that spooky plot.
By the way, i didn't know that she had played in 'Tales from the Crypt'. This segment was indeed wonderful and very atmospheric. I read that this was a 1972 movie, so Joan was 39 years old by then. Wow, she looked exquisite for a 40 year-old woman.
In another thread, while writing about June Allyson, someone posted another interesting scene of Joan Collins with Allyson. It was from 'The Opposite Sex'(1956). I thank again this person for posting that 'intense' cattish scene there, and i'll post it in here too (the link below). I hope he/she won't mind. :)
Besides these scenes, i don't remember being particularly fond of Joan Collins as a performer. I particularly remember seeing her in 'The Bravados' with Gregory Peck...and that was a rather boring experience.
"Just remember, girls, that you have the power. Not the men."
Then why isn't Wall Street run by men? Why aren't the majority of CEO's women? Why isn't congress being dominated by women?
Having a guy stare at your 13 year old tits is not having "power".
[quote]In another thread, while writing about June Allyson, someone posted another interesting scene of Joan Collins with Allyson. It was from 'The Opposite Sex'(1956). I thank again this person for posting that 'intense' cattish scene there, and i'll post it in here too (the link below). I hope he/she won't mind. :)
It was me also, R16
R14, he are very sweet and well-informed. Thank you again!
This scene is also hilarious:
(Do you moisturize?)
Don't forget girls: You have all power.
Well, until he rapes you.
Lol R14, that was fun too!
R23, meh! :P
R14: That was the the most inauthentic blood I've ever seen on TV. It screamed acrylic paint.
R25 that is a 1972 movie. In these films it didn't matter how the blood looked like. It was all about paradox and psychology. It's a very atmospheric and compelling scene, the 'quality' of the blood is only a detail. On the other hand, perhaps, the director wanted to give a surreal quality to the blood and he didn't wish the audience to get shocked with a more realistic depiction of it. Personally, i found that kind of blood creepily cute for this scene. It would be somehow inelegant to tar a 'Christmas scene' with more realistic blood. The whole set has something funny, dreamy, distant and still familiar.
High five for it!
Hilarious Daily Mail article about Joan from 2 days ago.
Apparently she goes on 'An Evening With Joan' type tours around England.
[quote]Onstage, her accent is like a long-haul flight: it starts off in one place and ends up in another.
[quote] Her Rank charm school diction gives way to an American twang and she forgets her lines more than is strictly comfortable. Sometimes the prop phone keeps on ringing when she picks it up to answer the call.
Lol, come on R28! I'm not a fan of Joan Collins, but she was great in that scene and that scene is really memorable. Let's be fair!
"Next thing I knew, I was surrounded by some rather attractive firefighters who were asking me questions such as: What's your name?' (as if they didn't know) and How old are you?' (which I refused to answer),"
R29: I thought she was stunning. And it was a fun, creepy scene. But the blood was so fake, in a way nothing else was, it took me out of the scene for a bit.
r31 Sure, that was the most realistic looking set to ever appear on film.
Men have to objectify in order to perform.
Since feminism came on the scene, erectile dysfunction is rampant.
"Don't stare at my breasts! Don't tell me how pretty my pussy is! Fucking pig; get the fuck off of me."
R32: I didn't claim it was, asshole.
"the blood was so fake, in a way that nothing else was".
R35: I'm not wasting any time beyond this post on some twit who picks fights over nonsense.
But there is a huge difference between claiming the rest of the set wasn't as fake as the blood and claiming the set was the most realistic in film history.
So kindly STFU.
"I diddnnt thlaim it wath, athshole."
"Tho kindthly TTTHHHtFU"
What is not true about her pronouncements? If you DO have sex appeal, then OWN it, and use it for YOUR purposes. Sexual appeal is currency. Don't give that power away to men. Throughout history, since probably the first cavewoman put berry stain on her lips (Joan should know, she was there), men have been pussy whipped. And Joan AND Linda Evans empowered a generation of women during the Dynasty years. "Forty isn't fatal." As gay men OR women, you can choose to just lie down and die after you reach a certain age. Or you can empower YOURSELF.
Eleanor Roosevelt (no looker!) said "No one can make you feel inferior without your permission."
Attractive people of ANY age fare better in life, have things a lot easier in some respects. That is just a fact. And is never going to change.
Lol R36, that was campy.
Guys, stop getting edgy! All the opinions are respectable when they are not overly vulgar. People, we notice different or similar things about something and we have certain feelings about it. That goes also with our view on scenes and movies That's cool. Come on guys! Cheer up. :)
Lol R14(R30), what a quote from Madame Collins!
[quote]Guys, stop getting edgy! All the opinions are respectable when they are not overly vulgar. People, we notice different or similar things about something and we have certain feelings about it. That goes also with our view on scenes and movies That's cool. Come on guys! Cheer up.
I assume this is your first time on Datalounge?
Oh, dear! Did someone mention that there was vulgarity?
You will find me on my fainting couch!
Now as it comes to her opinion 'Being objectified as a woman is not the same as sexual exploitation', well to me, she is half right. To any condition there is some kind of exploitation, but that doesn't mean that all the intentions are sly and dirty. It's not just black and white...never when it comes to intentions and behaviors.
However, i disagree with the opinion "Just remember, girls, that you have the power. Not the men." Nope. It's a cute misconception. The power isn't something that comes exclusively neither from men or women. It's about combinations and how people can pair with them. The power of beauty is mostly a combination of moments, needs and of some facts...
R42 No, it's not my first time on Datalounge!
I just...wrote what i felt at that moment. I can be nasty too. However, i avoid sarcasm when i see that some people are overly sensitive. We are not yet above sensitivity, are we?
R43 i smile back at you kitten...
Can we be honest here. Women have the pussy and thus all the power. Pussy really controls the world, however women have never figured out how to stop putting each other down long enough to truly harness the power of the pussy and just run the show.
r46 i think it's been explained upthread - that that power comes from youth/being able to have children. once that is gone = no power.
plus, if nobody wants you to begin with (you're fat, ugly, deformed)there is no power at any age.
now, do you get it?
There are certain examples of women who failed to use their beauty to their own benefit and of ugly women who managed to rise above others. R46, sure, the beauty and the pussy is power, but nothing stands alone. The cock is not an enemy, it's a tool too, it can be useful and even pleasing for women at times...
I agree though, that women shouldn't be so competitive with each other. They end up cornered with a cock in their holes and they are vain enough to consider this a personal victory and power. Just because you are desirable that's not the end of the game...
If we possess beauty, we must learn to make other people love us for our beauty and for our sensitivity and good will and not make them be jealous of it and bitter over it. That would make stronger relationships and errors would seem more pardonable maybe... Of course, there is a number of people who are getting jealous because of their own weakness to accept singular beauty. Beauty is a complicated matter as you see, it's not just power.
Pretty is as pretty does. True beauty is from the inside out. And trying to USE one's "assets" to gain "power" (although it can be done and is done), will come back to bite one in the ass. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
Many smart pretty girls use their pussies to land a rich husband instead of using their pussies to open doors to the real halls of power or wealth. If I had a daughter I would teach her that she should use her pussy as an investment account. Only give it to the right guys at the right time to ensure maximum benefit. And then when you're 40 and washed up and no one wants it, you will be the CEO of corporation or have the right contacts to keep you set for life.
As a gay guy who is friends with mostly straight males, I know for a fact that everything they do always leads back to getting pussy.
Getting pussy and then getting rid of it. "Girls, you have the power!" except in virtually every profession in the world save for porn.
Relics like Joan Collins, who couldn't bother to learn how to act, don't help. vomit.
Joan's done a media blitz over the last few days.
She was on The One Show, talking about Thatcher - she was a huge fan.
She had clearly read the soundbites/cliches that were being repeated over and over in the media, but got a couple of them wrong, and was talking about how in 1979 the black bin bags had been piling high in the street - and she credited that issue being resolved to Thatcher AND Reagan.
She's not hated in the UK, but she's far from loved.
She worked in a field where objectification and the clever use of sex appeal were considered the height of professionalism, and has no clue how things work in the real-world job market.
She should not comment on things she does not understand.
Joan looks amazing for her age and could easily pass for thirty five.
In terms of celebrity, these young women out there today could learn a thing or two from her. She has always put the G in glamour. And her picture should be next to the word Fierce in the dictionary.
And equally impressive is that she hasn't had a stitch of work done. Just good makeup and great jeans.
[quote]Joan looks amazing for her age and could easily pass for thirty five.[/quote]
What you meant to say is
[quote]Joan looks amazing for her age and could easily pass for [bold]someone born in nineteen [/bold]thirty five.[/quote]
Lol, R62, i don't know if she is really empowered there but she is definitely sexy in that photo.
R63: I didn't know that Jennifer Saunders could look that good.
(But the chronology is all wrong, having Joan meet Antony Newley when he was all the rage in the 70s)
Joan Collins supports Socialized Medicine in the UK.
[quote](But the chronology is all wrong, having Joan meet Antony Newley when he was all the rage in the 70s)
Oh. I thought the reference to Marilyn was just to show how stupid the Collins sister was.
r46 the power would come with being able to deny men the pussy. But women not only put each other down they don't seem to be able to give up male approval so this means they go along to get along. Also as long as heterosexual women stay content to let men do all the dirty work while they stay in the shadows and stay silent men will continue to kill each other and ruin the planet. Imagine women having to deal with all the venom that would come along with calling men out on all their bullshit and actively seeking out the power stage.
Joan Collins on James Dean:'Intense, moody, incredible charisma. He was short, myopic, not good-looking in life, really. ... I drove with Jimmy in his new red Porsche once. We were pissed [drunk] and went down Sunset and I was scared. He had the windows open, the music up, driving really fast. He died in that same Porsche two or three months later. You know who he was like? A young, better-looking Woody Allen, in a way. He had those same qualities of shyness, uncertainty and insecurity.'
On George Peppard:'He's arrogant -- the sort of man who expects women to fall at his feet at the slightest command; who throws his weight around. He gives the impression that he's the star, what he says goes and that nobody else is very important.'
[on Margaret Thatcher's 80th birthday] "She's the Iron Lady and I want to be just like that when I grow up".
Ew...ok for the last one, a bit far-fetched but..um...lol
[quote]But women not only put each other down they don't seem to be able to give up male approval
That's your typical dl female.
I don't think she is stupid. She is just vocal in a kittenish way. She have said some original things too, though.
Joan Collins quotes:
"The problem with beauty is that
it's like being born rich and getting poorer"
"I've never yet met a man who could look after me.
I don't need a husband. What I need is a wife"
[quote] When Joan Collins was seventeen, Cannes was part of the Roman Empire.
When Joan was seventeen, she got her duckface lips by blowing on the earth's core as it was cooling.
Girls do have the power and not men!Damn them!If a man is alone in a room for more than a few minutes with a woman,she can yell assault and ruin his life.Not rape,because of DNA but yelling assault will still ruin his life because noone will believe him,but I wish Roxanne Pulitzer had done that to her hypocritical pompous-ass husband Herbert Pete Pulitzer and ruined her and gotten her kids back.Sometimes I'm on the woman's side and that sob would have deserved it.I would never even accept the Pulitzer Prize.I want nothin fromthat shallow,supoerficial family of assholes.I feel sorry for Roxanne's boys.
She says James Dean wasn't good looking in real life? What a crock of shit! You didn't have to ever meet him to know he was gorgeous. I guess u have to wear 15 pounds of makeup to be considered attractive to her.
Per a post above, I must admit it's a blast when I can tell some idiot breed of woman is trying to build a case against me for sexual harassment, assault, even just bad behavior based on me wanting to fuck them and feeling rejected as the reason I won't give in in to their idiocy... and the whole time I'm waiting to play the "Oh yeah? I'm gay, bitch" card. You'd be amazed how often this happens (and while I'm not particularly flamboyant, I'm not really faux butch either; they're just clueless if you aren't 100 per cent the cliche).
Just happened on a film set and the gay card ended the discussion. Yes, in this respect, straight men are SCREWED. One nutcase woman with an ax to grind can ruin a lot of lives. (And, no, men in general do not play this card or even this game, not in terms of anything that can send someone to jail).
[r77]: you sound totally batshit crazy. I'm amazed you are actually employed.
[quote]Joan looks amazing for her age and could easily pass for thirty five.
*wipes tear away* But seriously..
R77 Great story! Anyway... Can I borrow some of your drugs? Please?
Uh huh, right, because women never assume a gay man is straight and play into that, nope, never happens. Never ever.
R7, sober as a judge and heartily employed in the movie business where he is surrounded by insane actresses or other fun types.
P.S. Remember this entire thread is about Joan Collins implying that pussy has the power. My contention remains that it doesn't, not on me and my fellow brethren, but some try anyway.
Do you believe that her fifth husband is with her not because he love her but for fame and success? Ffs, he is 32 years older than her. How can you love a woman who is...that old?
*younger than her
Joan's claim to fame before Dynasty was doing trashy movies like The Bitch and The Stud. In the Stud she was a promiscuous slut who kept a younger lover and fucked anything that moved. She showed a lot of T and A in that movie. In The Bitch,she was hiding a diamond in her cunt!What is the moral of the story? She was one step away from being a porn star so anything she says is half baked, half witted and complete rubbish!
Joan is the mother goddess.
She is the feminine that sucks us back into her great rapacious maw.
She is Ocean.
She is the belly of the earth.
She is the Great Mother.
She is beginning and end.
i bet the lesbians will talk about how awful the "male gaze" is. Bitch, i will look at any female i think is attractive and you can't stop me you dykes. One thing i hate of the lgbt and it is dykes. I every time i hear or read a woman talking about the "evil" "male gaze", i will assume she is a lesbo. man hating losers
Joan Collins is wrong. It's about attention, not power. Women like attention. Why do they like attention? Because they are sellers by nature. Sellers need the attention of the buyer in order to make the sale.
That is why women wear make-up and revealing clothing, not to mention stilettoes and an assortment of hair-styles that change as quickly as Rihanna's.
It is the male gaze that took us from the confines of a cave and into the advanced technological civilization in which we live. If women were in charge, men would still be foraging for food in the wilderness and dragging it back to the caves while women sat with babies hanging from their teats.
One of my all-time favorite SNL skits: Joan Collins (former regular Pamela Stephenson) and Linda Evans (guest host Pamela Sue Martin) explain the album they're recording for people in need.