- End of an era! I grew up in her Britain. Didn't like it at all, especially as a young gay peson, but, looking back, I think some of the aggressive opposition was too hyped up and the Britain she inherited certainly needed changing. Anyway, what can one say. Her last years weren't happy.
- God I hope we don't have any Thatcher supporters here. She was the Ronald Reagan of the UK: a woman whose only interest was to protect the rich, ignore the gays, and hurt the poor.
- Margaret Thatcher Naked On A Cold Day! Margaret Thatcher Naked On A Cold Day! Margaret Thatcher Naked On A Cold Day!
- "Margaret Thatcher on TV/ Shocked by the deaths that took place in Beijing..."
- Yes! A day to celebrate
- Ding Dong....
- This will give Cameron a chance to act like a smarmy "man of history", making pompous little speeches about what a "great leader" she was and other bs like that.
- Which old bitch?
The wicked bitch!
- It's sad, that scumbag didn't feel the pain she forced many to go through. She didn't feel anything in her last years. She was a tomato. Lucky bitch!
- Hopefully "Ding dong the witch is dead" will trend on Twitter. A quick search already shows many tweeting it.
- One can confirm one is still alive
- I hope this bitch doesn't get canonized in death like Reagan did.
- Wake up - sleepy head, rub your eyes, get out of bed.
Wake up, the Wicked Witch is dead. She's gone where the goblins go,
Below - below - below. Yo-ho, let's open up and sing and ring the bells out.
Ding Dong' the merry-oh, sing it high, sing it low.
Let them know
The Wicked Witch is dead!
- One down and one to go.
- I can only presume that the rock in hell set aside for her is finally up to the right temperature.
- Great leader of integrity. Even if one disagreed with her policies, such as the idiotic Claude 28.
- All I can say is Meryl Streep's portrayal of her looked really hammy. The same with that Julia Child performance.
Meryl Streep Anti Troll
- Tweet from the "Diana in Heaven" account: Nope. She's not here.
- Poor Maggie! She lived to see Nelson Mandela become not just President of South Africa, but much more adored than she would ever be!!!
- Baroness is a wonderful title! How do I get one?
- Too bad Thatcher has been reinvented as a saint by the masses in Britain, especially with the younger generation. :sigh: She's looked upon as a tough woman, who stood on principal, and stopped the dole queens. 'She made Britain a force to be reckoned with. She took down the Soviet Union.' This, along with a bunch of other crap, is spread and believed today. Had she dropped dead sooner, none of that would have happened. They simply do not remember. Britain is so fucked up right now, conservatism looks good: scapegoating, anti-immigration, the works. Thatcher is Britain's Reagan, and like Reagan, she's something to aspire to. That film didn't help matters either.
Man, watch the outpouring of emotions today.
- "First Female PM"
Here we go...
- Watch Meryl be called in to make a speech. I hope she goes in character.
- She spent the last 34 years rotting from within and being generally mean-spirited and rotten to the core, and now the old bag of worms is dead.
- Like Reagan, she held on with the loss of her marbles.
- Can't wait until Nancy Reagan's dead. That will truly be the end of the Reagan years. Can't care less about Babs and George. They're small potatoes, linked to his own failed presidency, and the worst president the country has ever seen. Nancy is the last of that era.
- I can't believe people are actually celebrating someone's death.
- r29 doesn't know his history.
- R30 - Actually, I do. I've read all of her books. Have you?
- There's nothing to celebrate. George Bush Sr and Dick Cheney are still here on life support.
- I have a related question. I was watching Brassed Off, the movie about the coal mine band with Ewan McGregor, and I'm wondering if Thatcher's Government made the right decision when they closed all those coal mines. There was certainly a renaissance in coal in the USA shortly after that.
If they had held on a bit longer, would those mines be booming today?
- Fox News will have black bunting strewn all over their set.
- Perhaps R29 is still grief-stricken from news of Mussolini's death.
- "[R30] - Actually, I do. I've read all of her books. Have you?"
Well, there's the problem right there.
- Wow, another breaking news story I read first on DL. Thanks, OP.
- I'd say it was a stroke of genius on God's part.
- Will the Obama's attend her funeral? What will Michelle wear?
- What a waste of reading time, R31
DL is the best. You read it here first
- Cuntiest cunt who ever cunted.
The lady wasn't for turning. She also wasn't for human compassion, either.
Or, based on her facial expression, a regular bowel movement.
- More Debt, Poor children, Killed income levels, Inflation out of control….
The conservative party promised to put the British economy back on track; however, within a year of getting elected inflation soared from 11.4% in June 1979 to 21% in June of 1980. Within a few years, unemployment also soared to more than three million people. When she took power in 19790 public debt stood at £88.5 billion, when she left office in 1990 it was at £151.9 billion.
Another revealing statistics is the rate of bankruptcies, in 1979 there were 3,500 bankruptcies in Britain, and in 1990 that number jumped to 13,987 bankruptcies with an average increase of 40% every year. The heaviest price paid for by Thatcherism was not entirely economic but social. Crime rate doubled during the 1980’s. In 1979 there was one in nine children living in poverty in the United Kingdom. By 1990 that ratio would be one in three, the highest in the developed world. The percentage of the population living below 50% of median income, after housing costs, jumped from 6% in 1979 to 14% in 1990. After factoring our right wing fantasies it is clear her economic legacy was filled with results her supporters should denounce not idealize.
- The US will send the Deputy Secretary of Education as its emissary. Hopefully he doesn't ruin his shoes when he's done pissing on her grave.
- Now she can join her best buddy Ronnie in hell
- Gareth Heaney @Gheaney30:
[quote]Seems that Thatcher has decided to check in to her premier suite in the firey depths of hell #dingdong
- Hopefully, this will inspire the English to reverse everything she did and supported. Time for a new, vibrant opposition to the greed, horrible policies, destruction of Britain and corruption of the Thatcher-onwards period(1980-2013).
- Though my natural tendency is to loathe Maggie Thatcher, Milk Snatcher, Britain WAS a mess before Thatcher. It was in total decline and teetering on the brink of becoming a third world country. So Maggie did probably lay the foundations for its resurgence. Hate to admit it though.
- Happy to see #nostatefuneral trending in the UK. Fitting too.
- No, it is on the brink of becoming a third world country now.
- From the web site Dangerous Minds:
MARGARET THATCHER IS (FINALLY) DEAD
Good fucking riddance, too.
It may seem churlish to revel in the death of anyone, but in the case of someone like Baroness Thatcher (or Andrew Breitbart) taking a final bow, I think throwing one last rotten tomato is appropriate.
That horrible old witch was 87. May she rot in Hell.
- Did someone wave a bottle of poppers under Milky Loads' nose when he became overwhelmed by news of his master's death?
- When England was the whore of the world, Margaret was her madam
And the future looked as bright and as clear as the black tarmacadam
Well I hope that she sleeps well at night, isn't haunted by every tiny detail
'Cos when she held that lovely face in her hands all she thought of was betrayal
- The video on the Guardian website is remarkably balanced: " She removed the log jam in government, but failed to convince the British people of the merits of economic individualism".
- I think all the whooping and cheering is disgusting.
I think people are so quick to forget her achievements. She took Britain from being the 'sick man of Europe' to the World's fourth largest economy - that's was one hell of an achievement. Now after 13 years of Bliar and Brown Nose we are not only back to being the 'sick man of Europe' but the sick man of the World.
God Bless the Iron Lady.
- The Telegraph: "We have closed comments on articles about Baroness Thatcher out of respect. Please email your thoughts to firstname.lastname@example.org"
Think they'll dare have a moment's silence at the Manc derby tonight?
- Too bad she never did anything that was good, for the people.
- R54: Just because she had a vagina doesn't mean she had a soul.
- This is a recent pic of her from last year. I'll give her some credit, at least she aged better than Madonna.
- I say stand down Margaret
stand down please
would you give a second thought
would you ever give a damn, I doubt it
stand down Margaret?
everybody shout it
stand down Margaret!
- Margaret Thatcher Has Died From A Strike
- See you soon, Maggie.
- Long may she be remembered. Thusly.
- Odd that both she and Reagan ended up senile.
- My relatives in Ireland are celebrating. My uncles, and a few aunts, were quite drunk. My cousins don't quite understand but they are all pretty young and only know of her from the stories the family tells.
- Sad day. I really miss the days when we had real grown ups in charge. Now it's all run by people trying to get on the job training.
- I thought that old cow had died decades ago.
- Goodbye you pernicious cunt.
- [quote]of South Africa, but much more adored than she would ever be!!!
SKY News will whitewash her support for Apartheid.
- [quote] See you soon, Maggie. by: Nelson
Oh, if we're playin by that paradigm, then even then I doubt think there will be much chance of Maggie and Nelson crossing paths.
- [quote] "We have closed comments on articles about Baroness Thatcher out of respect. Please email your thoughts to email@example.com"
Hilarious. The Guardian commenting is still open, and is about 90% anti-Thatcher. I imagie it will be closed down soon as well, just as the Guardian did for the Pope.
- RIP Margaret Thatcher.
- She truly was Satan's handmaiden.
- She was not a "grown-up." She was a simple minded gangster. Her evil as far as the USA was concerned was less her militarism than her corruption. Before Thatcher set an example of privatization and corruption in business, American conservatives cherished public education, public utilities, and public goods as uniquely successful American principles. Her Britcon idea of farming everything out based on political bribes, in effect creating a national version of the old time city political machine, was something that American conservatives began to adopt during the Reagan years, and it is their entire soul now.
- She was one of the few Tories to vote for the decriminalization of homosexuality in the UK in the 60s.
- [quote]I can't believe people are actually celebrating someone's death.
Oh my...you are just too precious for words.
Are you four? Or just ridiculously naive? She was a polarizing figure at best. Her policies are still controversial nearly a quarter century after she left office. Yes, there are people who dislike her, though not in your rarefied little bubble, clearly.
- As if Cher will ever die!
- This thread is proof that freepers and log cabinettes post among us.
- Bad luck for anyone famous who dies today or tomorrow then, as they will get minimum coverage ... don't well-known people always die in 3's ?
- Yes R78. maybe we can get Nancy and Barbara too
- [quote] RIP Margaret Thatcher.
Yes, and rest in peace the public railways, and the formerly public libraries, and the educational system, and the food industry, and nearly a rest-in-peace for the last of our National Health Service which despite her and subsequent administrations still marches valiantly on...
While I never rejoice in anyone's death, to hagiographise Maggie Thatcher Milk Snatcher is DEEPLY FUCKING IMMORAL.
- From my man Ken Livingstone:
"She created today's housing crisis. She created the banking crisis. And she created the benefits crisis. It was her government that started putting people on incapacity benefit rather than register them as unemployed because the Britain she inherited was broadly full employment. She decided when she wrote off our manufacturing industry that she could live with two or three million unemployed, and the benefits bill, the legacy of that, we are struggling with today. In actual fact, every real problem we face today is the legacy of the fact that she was fundamentally wrong."
- People in Northern Britain - Liverpool, Manchester etc - will be packing the pubs tonight in celebration. She devastated those working class communities.
I would say I'd dance on her grave, but I wouldn't want to be sloshing around in all the piss.
- Meryl must be devastated.
- I hope "Billy Elliot" is still running over there so no one forgets what a fucking piece of shit she was.
- Plans have begun for Margaret Thatcher's state funeral.
It'll be the first time ever the 21 gun salute is fired into the coffin.
- And the poll tax made her even more endearing!
- remember the sleazy son? so slime-covered he wasn't allowed to live in the U.S. or fucking Monaco?
- She disapproved and tore down anything state-related.
She does not deserve a state funeral paid for by the taxpayers.
- There's blood on your hands, Mrs. Thatcher!
- Maybe people can protest outside the funeral
- LOL, R85!!!
- Shouldn't they just dump her coffin in the Thames:
[bold]Downing Street says Lady Thatcher will be accorded the same status of funeral as the Queen Mother and Princess Diana, but will not lie in state, in accordance with her own wishes.[/bold]
- I enjoyed my acting role as the mosaic Mrs. Thatcher. But now that she's gone, I believe Glenn Close's range is best suited to play the next part, that of Margaret lying in a box.
- What about Section 28, R74?
- [italic]President Obama continues: "As an unapologetic supporter of our transatlantic alliance, she knew that with strength and resolve we could win the Cold War and extend freedom's promise.
"[bold]Here in America, many of us will never forget her standing shoulder to shoulder with President Reagan, reminding the world that we are not simply carried along by the currents of history - we can shape them with moral conviction, unyielding courage and iron will.[/bold]"
US President Barack Obama says "the world has lost one of the great champions of freedom and liberty, and America has lost a true friend".
Baroness Thatcher, he says, "shows our daughters" there is no glass ceiling that cannot be shattered, adding: "As prime minister, she helped restore the confidence and pride that has always been the hallmark of Britain at its best".[/italic]
- Its amusing to see the BBC newsreaders looking flustered as if they have not handled a major story like this before - looks like they changed into black clothes as well ...
- [quote]I can't believe people are actually celebrating someone's death.
But it was OK that she did, right? It was OK that she caused death/destruction, right?
- Thatcher described Nelson Mandela as a "terrorist". I was there. I saw her lips move. May she burn in the hellfires.
- SINK IT!
- [italic]Actress Meryl Streep, who won an Oscar in 2012 for playing Lady Thatcher in The Iron Lady, has paid tribute, describing her as a "figure of awe for her personal strength and grit".
She says: "I was honoured to try to imagine her late life journey, after power; [bold]but I have only a glancing understanding of what her many struggles were[/bold], and how she managed to sail through to the other side. I wish to convey my respectful condolences to her family and many friends."[/italic]
As evident from your performance, M.
- Ugh @ Obama and Meryl. But especially Obama.
- R95 - that is the biggest show of high standards and class Obama has shown since taking office. That brought my opinion of him up a few notches.
- In my opinion, a big cock can feel great inside me. There IS such a thing as TOO BIG though. I also love average sized wangers as well. Too small (under 5") can be an issue with me. That's my take on the matter.
Not Necessarily A Size Queen
- Please tell me that someone held a gun to his head or threatened his family's welfare and forced him to say that. Please tell me that Obama did not really write that about a conservative white woman who trampled on the lives of so many people our colour.
- R82, anyone in nothern England or Scotland hearing someone refer to "northern Britain" is more likely to want to punch that person in the face.
- Quelle surprise that R102 is also R29.
- Do you still think my husband was a worse prime minister than the old dead cowbag?
- R106 - congratulations Miss Fletcher.
- [bold] Rep. Stockman On How To Honor Thatcher: ‘Crush Liberalism’ And Sweep It ‘Into The Dustbin Of History’ [/bold]
- The rest of M's statement:
“Margaret Thatcher was to me a figure of awe for her personal strength and grit. I was honoured to try to imagine her late life journey, after power; but I have only a glancing understanding of what her many struggles were, and how she managed to sail through to the other side.”
[bold]“To have withstood the special hatred and ridicule, unprecedented in my opinion, leveled in our time at a public figure who was not a mass murderer; and to have managed to keep her convictions attached to fervent ideals and ideas - wrongheaded or misguided as we might see them now-without corruption - I see that as evidence of some kind of greatness, worthy for the argument of history to settle.”
“To have given women and girls around the world reason to supplant fantasies of being princesses with a different dream: the real-life option of leading their nation; this was groundbreaking and admirable.”[/bold]
Uh, so she's OK, because she wasn't a mass murderer? OK, M.
- I don't think I could crush him...except maybe with a baseball bat?
- R103? Are you Maggie speaking from beyond the grave?
- Congratulations on using a dated reference to nail me, R108. It really stung.
Not shocking since you're clearly stuck in that time with your heroine-worship of this witch.
- Like the other poster upthread At r64 with relatives in Northern Ireland, my family there is drunk and happy. We lost several family members because of this bitch and her fucked policies toward Northern Ireland. May she burn in hell
- Cher (still alive!) is still trending in the UK.
- R114. Clearly it hit a nerve.
- R105, that's weird, because I am from Northern England. Here was me thinking England and Scotland were part of Britain. Duh.
- R77 thanks for your insight, you clueless fuck. You should stick to threads about eating ass.
- It did, R117?
Don't know which nerve it would hit since I never watched the show and I thought it was a cheesy, antiquated line, but OK.
- 'There is no such thing as society.'
'Home is where you go when you've nowhere else to go.'
'Why should we drool and drivel that we care?'
The above are just some of her wise and humane words of leadership.
Thatcher was so unpopular and monomaniacal at the end that she was sacked by her own Cabinet. That's when she shed tears of self-pity. Evidently at that point unemployment wasn't 'a price worth paying.'
She'll be as sharply divisive in death as in life. Murdoch's rags will canonise her, because she gave him carte blanche to break the print unions. In turn he published more or less what she wanted. At least The Guardian and The Mirror assessments will be more realistic.
Younger people tempted to think she was the second coming should watch the outstanding Ken Loach documentary recently released, 'The Spirit of '45.' If anyone tried to wipe that magnificent spirit from history, Thatcher did.
She doesn't deserve a state funeral. The Queen Mother, fair enough. Diana, certainly. But Thatcher doesn't deserve to be on a par with Churchill. She caused too much damage. She didn't love her country enough, and her country doesn't love her.
We won't cry for you, Margaret Thatcher.
- Palin agrees with Obama:
[bold]Sarah Palin, former Alaska governor writes on Facebook: While the Iron Lady is sadly gone, her iron will, her unfailing trust in what is right and just, and her lessons to all of us will live on forever. She was a trailblazer like no other. We lost an icon, but her legacy, as solid as iron, will live on in perpetuity.[/bold]
- I really hope we don't see celebrating and nasty comments from liberals all day.
I didn't agree with many of her policies, but she was a remarkable woman and one of the giants of the 20th Century.
As Meryl Streep and Helen Mirren have said, although they didn't agree with her conservative ideas, she showed to girls that women could be successful, intelligent leaders.
- [quote] I really hope we don't see celebrating and nasty comments from liberals all day.
Piss off back to Free Republic, FReeper shitstain.
- What's a freeper, cum breath?
[quote]To have withstood the special hatred and ridicule, unprecedented in my opinion, leveled in our time at a public figure who was not a mass murderer
Meryl is comparing Thatcher favourably with George Bush.
[quote]to have managed to keep her convictions attached to fervent ideals and ideas - wrongheaded or misguided as we might see them now - without corruption - I see that as evidence of some kind of greatness
Meryl is hedging her bets.
- [quote]As Meryl Streep and Helen Mirren have said, although they didn't agree with her conservative ideas, she showed to girls that women could be successful, intelligent leaders.
She showed that they could be just as evil and destructive as men and ruin lives and countries in exactly the same way.
What a horrid woman.
- Surely you can't be THAT stupid, R124.
A FReeper is someone who hangs out on Free Republic and is a right-wing conservative shitstain, such as yourself.
- Thanks R128 I appreciate the lesson, fairy boots.
- R127, don't forget that showed us want we don't want to be and she showed brown-skinned people that she thought we were inferior, not adequate enough to qualify for the same human rights and equality that she accused the Soviets of stamping on.
- You're welcome, R129.
But I'm not gay, so piss off.
- Obama is once again proving there's little daylight between him and Bush. Why would he dare, even in an attempt to be diplomatic, join in on the canonization of that old bitch? I'm so looking forward to vomiting over his comments about Dick Cheney when that old crone kicks it.
- What are you doing here, R131, if you're not gay?
- R131, this is a gay board so you are the one who should be pissing off.
- Fuck you dyke at R54.
Yes, a better economy for her favored 0.01% and multinational corporations.
- Don't need to ask, R133. He's douching as we type.
- Last time I checked R133, this is a public web forum, open to all on the internet.
- R124 - are you off your meds? What is it with people on Datalounge that you are not allowed to have any opinion outside of the liberal/socialist viewpoint?
- And just because I'm not gay doesn't mean I'm not part of the GLBT community.
- In watching the BBC coverage, I have to say I've never seen a man over 40 with such smooth, baby soft-looking skin like David Cameron.
- The Daily Telegraph editor tweets:
We have closed comments on every #Thatcher story today - even our address to email tributes is filled with abuse
- Hate Obama. The man is a uncle tom and a house negro. Nothing but a puppet shill for the elite. Can't wait when this clown leaves office with his ugly wife.
- Too bad that people are behaving like that, R141. Disgusting.
- R142, you actually had me until you lowered yourself to trashing Michelle. What the hell did she do? I find her quite attractive and I'm glad she's starting to acquaint herself with the notion of being a single mother. She's married to a craven liar who has no true sense of right and wrong.
- R104, that is how adults behave. Maybe he'll cheer behind the scenes, but publicly bashing her would only give fuel to the right wing. That must be what you want?
- At the tone, the venom will start spewing in a sea of hissing. The thread will reach 600 by 5PM R142 - I'm guessing you knew what was coming when you posted! ;-)
- David Cameron now speaking LIVE from 10 Downing Street
- R131/R139, yes, it's a public forum, so since this is a public board with what right are you telling people to piss off?
- [quote]a public figure who was not a mass murderer
She didn't kill people, she did worse Meryl. She killed an entire middle class and working class.
Dumb bitch, go stick your Oscar up your cunt.
- [quote]she showed to girls that women could be successful, intelligent leaders.
No, Eleanor Roosevelt showed that. Thatcher showed that a dumb bitch could be as immoral and conniving as men if it meant getting some power. I mean, are men supposed to look up to Hitler because he was a forceful leader who stood by his principles?
- "We're havin' a party when Thatcher dies" - at least they are in Glasgow.
Twitter reporting a conga line has formed in the square.
- [quote]Department of State
#SecKerry on death of Margaret Thatcher: the US has lost a dear friend, world has lost a transformative leader.
- Successful in her own terms obviously, but there's little evidence that she was specially intelligent.
No interview revealed any cultural interests. She was a philistine machine politician, only interested in money and power, and set the tone in her country accordingly.
- Following the death of Baroness Thatcher today there is no doubt that she inspired strong feelings on either side but, as well as being the first female British PM, she was also, along with Attlee, the most significant PM since the war, and in that sense her place in history is assured! Like Reagan and FDR in the US, Thatcher and Attlee in the UK were the most significant leaders of the last century!
- Yes R94, that should never even be mentioned. That evil policy is Thatcher's legacy for the gays, no matter what Cameron does we will never forget. My life at school was hell because of it.
She really lost it toward the end with that and the Poll Tax which was charmingly tested out on Scotland first leaving the Tories dead forever there. She is what led to devolution and there will be parties all over here tonight.
- [quote]Sarah Palin, former Alaska governor writes on Facebook: While the Iron Lady is sadly gone, her iron will, her unfailing trust in what is right and just, and her lessons to all of us will live on forever. She was a trailblazer like no other. We lost an icon, but her legacy, as solid as iron, will live on in perpetuity.
Even her eulogies are vapid and without substance. Do you think Mrs. Palin could come up with examples of what Thatcher actually [italic]did[/italic] to deserve these platitudes? Nope.
- I like you, R150.
- Kerry's statement sure is a read between the lines one.
- Sen Dianne Feinstein
[quote]Lady Thatcher was an invaluable ally to the U.S. and the very definition of a strong leader who redefined politics for generations of women.
- It must be said, Mrs. Thatcher worked terribly hard to make sure that millions of people lost their jobs and 1/3 of the country's children were in poverty.
- On the BBC, they're interviewing people from her old constituency.
Does anyone under 90 live in Finchley?
- R155, I was at school during the Clause 28 thing (which was not actually government policy but a private member's bill) and I really can't claim that it made my life hell. In fact, it gave me an opportunity to talk about being gay and how schools could respond to that.
I was also at primary school when she stopped free milk as education minister. But, really, would any British government today be taken seriously if it proposed giving primary school kids free milk? At some point, that policy was going to stop.
Thatcher was a nasty person because she had an incredibly nasty, divisive style. But, there are a lot of things she and her governments did that as a teenager I claimed to be outraged and furious about even though I wasn't always really sure why. For example, her young people's enterprise allowance scheme, which gave young people grants and benefits to start up enterprises. That was utterly condemned by the "left" at the time because it was supposedly about brainwashing young people into being capitalists as opposed to providing them with more unemployment benefits. Today, such enterprise allowance schemes would be considered a great idea by people across the political spectrum. And today, with the internet, mobile phones, digital media, does anyone really think a state-owned British Telecom monopoly would be able to provide us with all the services we need or keep up with technological developments?
- [quote] But, really, would any British government today be taken seriously if it proposed giving primary school kids free milk? At some point, that policy was going to stop.
If the rate of child poverty rose from 1 in 9 to 1 in 3 during her tenure, surely this alone would suggest it's a good idea. Even in the U.S. reduced or free school lunches are available depending on family income. Sadly, these crappy breakfasts and lunches are the backbone of some children's nutritional intake.
- Can somebody explain what Section 28 is?
- Tottenham socialists/progressives in North London (who are quite radicalised) had a banner and a megaphone out on the High Street this evening too. Not everyone is engaging in Reaganesque epitaphs. (It certainly doesn't seem that way in Glasgow!)
- Great. Now you can't even open the Guardian site due to heavy site traffic. There's just a big frigging picture of Thatcher and that's all.
- Seems Downing St. is getting the message.
No state funeral for Margaret Thatcher
Former prime minister will get a ceremonial funeral – one step below a state funeral – at St Paul's Cathedral, says No 10
- Here ya go R164
- Burn the bitch and throw her cremains in the ocean. Any ocean.
- Glasgow is certainly partying tonight. Hopefully Thatcher would admire their conviction, held as strongly as she held her own.
- I wonder if there are "Ding, Dong" parties everywhere tonight.
- The event that makes me ill is that she allowed 10 men to
die on hunger strike in The Maze prison. That's revolting. She had a real cruel streak in her.
- Died at The Ritz, where she'd been for some time. Quite a trajectory from the grocery shop where she started.
- The Bells of Hell go ting-a-ling-a-ling'
For you but not for me.
All the little devils, how they sing-a-ling-a-ling,
For you but not for me.
Oh! Death, where is thy sting-a-ling-a-ling?
Oh! Grave, thy victory?
The Bells of Hell go ting-a-ling-a-ling
For you but not for me.
- Actually R30 you do not know your history. She accomplished some good things for the UK that eventually benefitted it's middle and lower classes because she completely revitalized the British economy. She ended state ownership of industry which was crippling their economy. Se was able to reduce the tax bit which at the time she became PM was an average of 50% for ALL Brits. In the process they went through some hard times, but in the end she her leadership ended as social wellfare system that was dying on the vine.
Now she was pretty awful later on and she did not need to go to war in the Faulklands (sp?) etc. But it is simplistic to say she was like Reagan. She was not really. Reagan only reduced taxes and he greatly increased gov't spending. She changed the British tax codes but she also the state out of ownership of industy- which was an enormous drag on their economy. And I think most of you can agree that the highest marginal tax rate should not be at the 98% level it was at- and the average middle class persons should not be paying nearly 50% of their income in taxes.
To this day, her changes by in large stand.
There is a happy medium of too much tax and too little (for the rich in particular.) The British were well over on the too much side. We are currently on the too little side for the rich. She eventually grew the British economy enough to bring in more revenue with lower taxes, by returning industry to the private sector. Again, too much control (their problem back in the day) versus too little control (of banking currently in our day.)
- There is a massive street party in Brixton tonight as well.
- From Twitter...
[quote] KEN LOACH 'Let’s privatise her funeral. Put it out to competitive tender & accept cheapest bid. It’s what she would have wanted.'
- I want to see Loach's latest film.
[quote]Died at The Ritz, where she'd been for some time. Quite a trajectory from the grocery shop where she started.
Didn't she have a home of her own? Why would she stay at The Ritz?
- And... I like this Don't Hate Donate campaign.
- Here's the Don't Hate Donate campaign, try #2.
- Lets have a Section 28 disco for our Thatcher party!
- Sadly the Boy George on Question Time video was taken down, but here's the story.
- [quote]Section 28 of the Local Government Act 1988 prohibited local authorities from "promoting" homosexuality or gay "pretended family relationships", and prevented councils spending money on educational materials and projects perceived to promote a gay lifestyle.
This seems eerily similar to new laws proposed in Russia against the "promotion" of homosexuality. Except that those statutes affect private citizens and organizations.
- Tee, hee. I know the "i" and "o" keys are side by side, but...
[quote]The BBC also made an embarrassing gaffe on its news mobile website on Monday afternoon, announcing that Baroness Thatcher had died “following a strike” rather than a stroke.
- rot in hell, bitch.
- Annette Funicello is bigger news.
- [quote]Didn't she have a home of her own? Why would she stay at The Ritz?
Well, to mention again one of her infamous quotes, 'home is where you go when you've nowhere else to go.' She didn't really believe in homes, more in house prices and profits.
The Ritz is famous, opulent and very expensive, in keeping with her grandiose self-image. Dying at a 'good address', no matter how impersonal, will have been important to her and her son 'Sir Mark.'
- Outspoken Morrissey tonight blasted Margaret Thatcher as "barbaric" and someone "without an atom of humanity".
The musician has been a long-time critic of the former Prime Minister and aired his views in songs like Margaret On The Guillotine.
Tonight, just hours after her death, he released a strongly-worded statement slamming the former Tory politician.
he said: "Thatcher is remembered as The Iron Lady only because she possessed completely negative traits such as persistent stubbornness and a determined refusal to listen to others.
"Every move she made was charged by negativity; she destroyed the British manufacturing industry, she hated the miners, she hated the arts, she hated the Irish Freedom Fighters and allowed them to die, she hated the English poor and did nothing at all to help them, she hated Greenpeace and environmental protectionists, she was the only European political leader who opposed a ban on the Ivory Trade, she had no wit and no warmth and even her own Cabinet booted her out."
Morrissey, whose first Smiths single Hand In Glove was released a month before Baroness Thatcher won her second term of office as Prime Minister in 1983, was highly critical of her role in the Falklands War.
He said: "She gave the order to blow up The Belgrano even though it was outside of the Malvinas Exclusion Zone - and was sailing AWAY from the islands.
"When the young Argentinean boys aboard The Belgrano had suffered a most appalling and unjust death, Thatcher gave the thumbs up sign for the British press. Iron? No. Barbaric? Yes.
"She hated feminists even though it was largely due to the progression of the women's movement that the British people allowed themselves to accept that a Prime Minister could actually be female. But because of Thatcher, there will never again be another woman in power in British politics, and rather than opening that particular door for other women, she closed it.
Morrissey, who recently cancelled a series of shows due to ill health, went on: "Thatcher will only be fondly remembered by sentimentalists who did not suffer under her leadership, but the majority of British working people have forgotten her already, and the people of Argentina will be celebrating her death.
"As a matter of recorded fact, Thatcher was a terror without an atom of humanity," he added.
- [quote]Thatcher had died “following a strike”
That's how I keep reading this very thread title, and it is poetic each time.
- "Never again" a female PM? Ridiculous.
- [quote]This seems eerily similar to new laws proposed in Russia against the "promotion" of homosexuality. Except that those statutes affect private citizens and organizations.
- Meryl Streep is one of the greatest actresses in history, but she always comes across as rather stupid in interviews, and her remarks about Thatcher only give further credence to that assessment.
I've never been able to understand this dichotomy, because I've always thought a person needs to be intelligent to be a great or even a good actor, but...really, have you seen some of Streep's interviews? Maybe she's not REALLY stupid, and she just has a lot of trouble expressing herself in her own words?
As for her statement about Thatcher, I realize of course that she almost certainly didn't write it herself. But a smarter person would have realized how idiotic some of the statement sounds and would have amended it.
- [quote]Netanyahu on Margaret Thatcher: "one of the great leaders of the 20th century"
- When I read it, R192, I thought she didn't know much about politics in the UK in the 80s (or now).
- Harry Styles @Harry_Styles 7h
RIP Baroness Thatcher .x
(Anyone think he is cute now?)
- r192 I agree!
- What's wrong with what he said, R195?
- I have to say that Ken Loach's tweet was the best. Privatize the funeral. Get bids and award it to the one with the lowest costs. Why should she go out on the public dime?
- In fairness, everyone knows Meryl is a big leftie. She doesn't need to trash Thatcher or pretend to be a political expert in a statement on her death.
- R197 - He didn't tow the line that most gays feel they have to tow apparently.
- Sometimes I think some people would have gone so far as to praise Hitler if enough of his supporters were amongst the first to issue press releases. Margaret Thatcher was evil incarnate and any tear shed for her today should be a tear of joy.
- R201 - also, If Hitler has been a gay rights supporter 90% of the people on DL would have a shrine in his honor.
- One of the worst things she did was to use public servants as her personal tools in trade. She politicised the police - exploiting their duty to uphold the peace in her stand offs with the miners. She wanted to do the same with the army and got short shrift with that.
She treated the Scots with contempt and foisted the poll tax on them first and deliberately to see if it would fly with rest of the UK. Small wonder that the Tories were wiped out north of the border in subsequent elections and have never really recovered since.
Enough has been said about the Belgrano - that resulted in a tit-for-tat attack on the HMS Sheffield with additional loss of life. A lot of blood on her hands for her 'courage'.
- But he wasn't, idiot moron asshole R202.
- Harry Styles is not necessarily a Conservative supporter or a Thatcher lover. He may just be acknowledging her passing by being respectful. I'm a liberal but I'm not celebrating her death. Would we like it if Republicans celebrated the death of Jimmy Carter? It's not the right way to behave.
- You didn't read vitriol like this when we lost Pol Pot or Saddam Hussein. That should tell you something about this place.
- Jimmy Carter was a not a hateful, divisive and destructive figure like Thatcher was. The most his critics come up with is calling him a "wimp."
- R204. Please look up the meaning of "if"
R206 - Great point.
- r202 I don't know. Andrew Sullivan supports gay rights.
- Thought this was a good read on the topic.
- I don't need to look up the meaning of anything, R208.
Only a very insensitive person would drag Hitler into this discussion. But it takes a profoundly crueler person to amplify that by putting "Hitler" and "gay rights supporter" together in the same sentence.
I guess you're one of those g0yim to whom the pink triangle is nothing but an '80s affectation on a black button.
- If I had known that that's all it would have taken, I would have "stroked" her a long time ago. LOL.
- R211 I think the only reason Hitler's name gets brought up is the amazing hatred that the gay rights extremists have for any opposition. Suggest ovens and I suspect you would get little opposition.
- I was merely pointing out that people on this forum will blindly follow anyone who puts on the front of supporting anything gay without any real thought. The Hitler example, though extreme, proves the point.
- [quote]I guess you're one of those g0yim
You keep using that word--I think you do not know what it means.
- [quote]You didn't read vitriol like this when we lost Pol Pot or Saddam Hussein. That should tell you something about this place.
First of all, the DataLounge forums were in their infancy when Pol Pot died. I seriously doubt you have any fucking clue what posters had to say about his death. Secondly, I've been a member of DL from the invasion of Iraq, thru Saddam's capture and execution. You are completely full of shit if you're going to stick to some hyperbolic LIE and act like Saddam was deified here! Even though most DLers questioned the reason we went to war with Iraq, there was absolute consensus that he and his sons were monsters. Sure, there were those who insisted he brought stability to the country, but I recall just as much vitriol and snark directed toward Saddan Hussein as you're witnessing for the iron-hearted cunt who rightfully claimed her throne next to Satan today.
- Oh, I know just what goyim means. I've been one my entire life.
I spell it with the g0yim's special little zero for effect any time I talk to those idiots.
- R214, since you didn't include an identifying R###, I'm not sure who you were in the previous posts, and I'm having a hard time putting "the front of supporting anything gay" together with Margaret Thatcher.
Context. Context. Context. Gotta have context.
- Mrs Thatcher won 3 elections, Why? because of the 1970s in the UK,stupid high inflation and things like the 3 day week.She lowered inflation and kept the lights on.
If the UK has problems like the 1970s or worse again ( we will come 2015) People will then remember why she was won 3 elections.
- R218 - curious....would u take a picture of urself and ur "home"?
THaT would be context...
- r219 is obviously a product of Thatcher's education system. Yikes.
- The British working classes celebrating would mean something if they actually tried to pull themselves out of the mess Thatcher created. Instead of the dignity of work, and a commitment to manual labor, so many are content to sit on benefits, squeezing out hoardes of children and displaying pride in their disdain for education.
And, being from Northern Ireland, anything is an excuse for people here to go out and get drunk.
- Dear r167, why would Thatcher get a state funeral? She was not the head of state! State funerals are for the monarch and, much more rarely, and more often in much earlier centuries, victorious generals such as the Duke of Wellington. The last prime minister to have a state funeral was Winston Churchill, for his wartime leadership. Since him and, aside from Thatcher, Britain has had another seven former prime ministers who have died, none of whom had a state funeral. The fact she's been given a ceremonial funeral is intended as an honour to her.
The thing a lot of the venemous are forgetting here is that Thatcher actually had great support throughout the country. She was toppled by her own ministers because of her polemical stand on Europe, not for her social or economic policies. After her, the Tories went on to win the next two general elections and were in power for a total of 18 years. The idea that most of Britain is celebrating on the streets tonight is ridiculous.
Perhaps DLers should go and log on to their favourite British newspaper, the Daily Mail, to get another view of what many British people think of Thatcher.
She lived in the Ritz because she had nowhere else to live and no one to look after her. The Ritz owners are Thatcher fans and a few months ago, after she was hospitalised, they invited her to live there.
Her legacy is more complex than most here are allowing for. She was undoubtedly an asshole - the fact she died all alone in a hotel, without her children around her indicates that to an extent. But, much of what she introduced in Britain is fully accepted today.
- [quote]Meryl Streep is one of the greatest actresses in history, but she always comes across as rather stupid in interviews
She is smarter than you, hon. She's well-educated, and well-spoken.
- No Labour,actually.Yikes indead.
- Did Diana really get a state funeral? If so, why? She was divorced, an adulterer, etc....
- "Perhaps DLers should go and log on to their favourite British newspaper, the Daily Mail, to get another view of what many British people think of Thatcher."
I'm SHOCKED that the right-wing commenters on the right-wing Daily (Hate) Mail loved Thatcher. SHOCKED.
- The younger generation likes her. The Brits are not the brightest bulbs in the bunch. The rest, at least half of them, have short attention spans. They look at Britain today and wish to head back to a strong leader. As horrible as Thatcher was in reality, she showed strength and conviction. She didn't pull shit to be liked, which is what most politicians do. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: that movie helped her big time!
- [quote]And just because I'm not gay doesn't mean I'm not part of the GLBT community.
- [quote]You didn't read vitriol like this when we lost Pol Pot or Saddam Hussein.
False equivalence, to put it mildly. The very fact of the more thoughtful critics here shows how controversial and divisive a leader Thatcher was.
For all the supposed positives her champions list there are equally strong and very damaging negatives.
Thatcher had a decidedly self-righteous aggressive streak, but to compare her with psychopathic mass-murderers is unhelpful. She was a singular democratic leader who'll always be praised and justifiably criticised. If she wanted to be liked, she chose the wrong career.
- I don't know what you expected Obama to say. I'm sure he'll be attending the funeral.
- Is it true that spontaneous joyful parties have been erupting all day long in Britain?
- Just STFU, R143.
You're quoting politicians praising her because they're all full of shit, just like her.
She is getting the reaction she deserves from the public who were subjected to her policies - with the effects felt to this day.
Just because she made history doesn't mean we're going to whitewash that history because people like you think death absolves that person of all of the destruction they unleashed during their lifetime.
The fact that the majority of the comments are negative on many sites is a testament to the negative impact she had on her country during her time, and no one should forget that about her just because she's dead.
- At the start of the Bush Fake Iraq War 2 I was stuck in a Kuwaiti elevator with a Brit. Sirens were going off, chemical and gas warnings were commencing.We were stuck and freaked out wondering if this was the initiation of attack. I turned to my partner in misery and said "God I hate the liar Bush and this bullshit war he is about to start."
Without missing a beat the Brit says, "the problem with America is that YOU keep ELECTING THEM!Reagan, Bush and Bush two. In England we had Maggie Thatcher the Milk Snatcher, and we will NEVER ELECT another one like that."
Not Dead Soon Enough
- [quote]Is it true that spontaneous joyful parties have been erupting all day long in Britain?
Yes. The Daily fail has postings about them. People dancing in streets in Brixton and elsewhere.
- If you're going to compare vitriol for Saddam Hussein with that for Margaret Thatcher, you should also recognize that 1) Saddam's thread didn't have a bevy of libertarian-masturbators fapping away about his great achievements and 2) not many of those personally affected by Saddam's actions were active posters on DL.
- I commend your bravery R162, you clearly went to a better school, mine was rough. There were no out people in my year, there was only one in the entire school, a Jimmy Sommerville-esque flamer who hardly had a choice.
It's probably more the school that was the problem but Section 28 (policy was not the right word, even they wouldn't be that stupid) sure didn't help. It was the ultimate taboo to be gay, it just was never discussed unless you were unlucky enough to be bullied for it.
Some would say that they were just reflecting the time of late 80s/early 90s AIDS panic. Cameron's clumsy transparent attempts at gay rights may try to undo this, but it won't be forgotten. Times have changed but who says they have. I wish he had chosen his words better over the paedophile scandal.
And yes, I remember getting free milk at primary school and I loved it, always looked forward to it at break time. Odd how I never drank it that way since.
- Here's an article about her gay/lesbian actions:
- What would have happened without Reagan and Thatcher?
- You know, free milk may have done a lot toward addressing the teeth situation.
[quote]She was toppled by her own ministers because of...Europe, not for her social or economic policies.
Her wilfulness over the poll tax against all reasonable Cabinet advice contributed strongly to her downfall.
After the resulting riots her judgement was clearly shown to be questionable. It greatly weakened her position.
- Memba this?
- R226, no, Diana did not get a state funeral. Why should she have? There's clearly a real confusion about what a state funeral is...
- R243 - I didn't remember that either, but faux queens were claiming she did.
- How fabulous
- [quote]What would have happened without Reagan and Thatcher?
The world would have been a better place (esp UK and US) with out them (and their policies)
- Yes, that too, r241, but Geoffrey Howe's resignation speech, which led directly to her standing down, was about concerns over her increasing bizareness on Europe. Thatcher's problem was her general stubborness. Certainly it helped her push through some measures which many in the UK would agree with now despite a lot of the hysteria at the time (unions, selling council houses, privatisations). But, it also made her a hugely polarising and unempathetic creature. Eventually, it led to her behaving like a complete lunatic. If she'd manage to have controlled that aspect of her personality then she'd be more respected by people who may not have agreed with her policies. She's still hugely respected and admired as an idol by all those - and they're not a few and certainly not all evil - who did agree with her.
- Is there some connection between the Alzheimers and extreme conservatism?
- [quote]The event that makes me ill is that she allowed 10 men to die on hunger strike in The Maze prison.
Allowed? She didn't make them stop eating. They chose death.
- From HuffPo:
Pallo Jordan, a once-exiled ANC leader, was more direct. He told the Guardian: "Good riddance."
- R175. I think it's you who may need to read. Bit of history. She sold off state owned assets without the consent of the people. Those assets are now owned privately but the British ax payers are STILL PAYING FOR THEM. That's right. Paying subsidies to private companies who make huge profits that are passed on to their shareholders. She cost the UK billions, which went into the pockets of her spiv friends. The government now spends more on these privatised industries than it did when they were state owned.
50% tax rate for all is not true and never has been.
She caused a social divide that will take years, if ever, to recover from.
The appalling harm that her policies caused to Britain is still being suffered. You obviously don't have much of a grasp about British life or attitudes. If you had you wouldn't make such ridiculous claims.
Frankie Boyle said "for the £9million her funeral will cost you could buy a shovel for every person in Scotland. They'd dig a hole deep enough to hand her over to Satan in person."
- Maggie Thatcher.
- [quote]Meryl Streep is one of the greatest actresses in history, but she always comes across as rather stupid in interviews, and her remarks about Thatcher only give further credence to that assessment.
- This is terrible news for hair spray sales in Britain
- How utterly delicious. May the U.K. begin to heal after she raped it so thoroughly.
- R255. She's been out of power for quite a while. I believe the term being thrown around now is triple dip recession?
- Is it true that she suffered agonizing pain before she died?
- Two down. Waiting on Nancy now...
Kissinger--JUST DIE ALREADY!
- [quote]Hopefully, this will inspire the English to reverse everything she did and supported.
Quite the contrary.
- Has ayb posted yet?
- "And what was Thatcher's greatest reform? Why, of course, the Labour party. Tony Blair had to genuflect before the Thatcher shrine before the British public would elect him. The unsexing of leftwing Labour was probably the achievement of which, privately, she was most proud."
• David Mellor is a former Conservative MP. He was a minister in Margaret Thatcher's government
- Milky Loads on Mags:
- Wow r262, that piece is riddled with factual errors, faulty logic, and poor sentence structure. I've never read any of his stuff--is it usually such a poor showing?
- Sullivan still sounds like a right-wing shit-stain.
- Her Falklands War set the pattern for the Bush-Cheney invasion of Iraq.
- [quote]I said "God I hate the liar Bush and this bullshit war he is about to start."
Without missing a beat the Brit says, ". . . we had Maggie Thatcher the Milk Snatcher, and we will NEVER ELECT another one like that."
Umm, Blair is the biggest fucking liar of all and is just as responsible for the Iraq debacle--without his pretense of a "coaltion" it may never have happened. Oh, and he DID get re-elected.
- Margaret Thatcher tricked me into paying for her bread pudding!
- [quote]Umm, Blair is the biggest fucking liar of all and is just as responsible for the Iraq debacle--without his pretense of a "coaltion" it may never have happened. Oh, and he DID get re-elected.
The USA and the UK are glued together by their commitment to Israel and Zionism. They have been ever since World War One when the Zionist Federation brought the USA into the war on the side of the UK in exchange for the UK giving the Zionists control of Palestine. Baron Rothschild brokered that deal between Chaim Weizmann and Arthur Balfour. It ended up taking a second World War for the UK to make good on the deal.
The Iraq War was a Neo-con enterprise and the Neo-conservative movement is all about right-wing Zionism. In other words, it was an Israeli War paid for with US blood and money.
- Ah, the Jewish/Israel obsession spreads to another thread.
- [quote]when the Zionist Federation brought the USA into the war on the side of the UK in exchange for the UK giving the Zionists control of Palestine.
Good Lord, r268, you're a bit of a whack job.
- R269, emotions don't turn facts into falsehoods.
Your ignorance of history does not make me a whack job, R270.
- William Shatner
[quote]Thoughts also go out to the family of former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher on her passing.
- You wouldn't know a fact if it kicked you in the ass. You're blinded by obsessive hate.
- I was hoping Thatcher would outlive the disgusting Geoffrey Howe.
- The Daily Mail is going ballistic!
- Damn, why didn't we party after Reagan died?
- These people rioting and partying and looting are absolute scum, they were not even born in Thatcher's era or affected by her.
Its just an excuse for anti-social behaviour by unemployable deadbeats.
- Thank you, Mitt Rmoney, r277!
- R276 - because there is a shred, albeit a small one, of respect and decency left in the country.
- There is nothing wrong with celebrating the death of a person who caused mass misery.
- We didn't celebrate when Jerry Falwell kicked the bucket. OTOH, if I ever got near the town where he's buried, I'd like to piss on his grave.
- Tramp the dirt down, old cunt. Tramp the dirt down.
- R266, Blair's re-elections had more to do with the paucity of candidates on the right. When Labour came to power in 1997, the Tories were effectively in the wilderness for about 11 years. They were in complete denial, totally lost, much the same way the GOP is now.
Blair also resided over the lowest voter turnout in recent history which continued to decline. His last re-election, turnout was at about 34%.
- My favorite:
"Iron Lady - Rust In Peace"
- The London audience of Billy Elliot apparently got to vote last night on whether or not the Maggie Thatcher song should be included in that particular performance.
- Many Brits mocked us when there was celebrating in the streets after the murder of Osama bin Laden. Pot, meet kettle.
- She was no Winston Churchill.
That must have pissed her off even more, in the twilight of her consciousness, knowing she'd harmed the country rather than saved it.
- [quote] She took down the Soviet Union.
Oh, my sides, MY SIDES!
- Welcome to hell, Maggie. There is no such thing as society there.
- People who think it's indecent or poor form for British subjects to be revelling in Thatcher's death are clearly completely unfamiliar with her actions and policies as Prime Minister. I believe the few things she got right were incidental to the monsterous things she carried out with great zeal. Thatcher used brute force against her own people, referred to an entire class of people as "the enemy within" - publically! If she disagree with you or your cause you were labelled a terrorist or criminal. She was the criminal. It finally came to light in the last few years that she covered up evidence and reports that found police forces were culpable for the death of 96 people in the Hillsborough tragedy just because in her twisted mind they were "scum." They weren't scum. And if her class warfare that was so pervasive throughout her reign hadn't been perpetuated by her, those people might've survived.
Even her legacy of reversing the decline of Britain came at the merciless decline of working class people whom she hated, certainly not at the rich who just got richer. As has been pointed out, other countries who faced the same challenges did so without the complete disregard she had for the poor. She was a monster and her death does not change that.
I applaud those who are balancing out the hagiography that so often takes hold when a politician dies. Unlike Americans with Reagan, I don't want to hear about how great Thatcher was for years and years to come. It just shows what a bunch of hypocrites the Tories are since they were the ones who turfed her out of office all those years ago. Even they couldn't stand her. And now they're trying to have their glory. It's sick making.
- Celebrating anyone's death is in poor form. Lead by example.
- Whitewashing anyone's death is even poorer form, and that is what the right is trying to do. The truth is not flattering to Thatcher, which is why they are trying so hard to suppress i.
- [quote]Celebrating anyone's death is in poor form. Lead by example.
The Right will celebrate her death by turning it into a spectacle, and by trying to lionize her.
Why is that any more proper than burning her in effigy? Two sides of the same coin if you ask me.
- R291, you act like it's a neutral proposition. It isn't. Even your president said yesterday they she was "a champion for freedom and liberty" - yeah, for white people! They're the ones sanitising her history.
- Russell Brand on Thatcher
- I find it ironic her defenders are trying to bait us by evoking Hitler and Pol Pot given that Maggie all but publicly blew Pinochet.
- The UK's misery index:
- I feel sick when I see the outpourings of grief for this woman. She supported selfishness, apartheid and never apologised for her views. Yes she was the self styled "Iron Lady" but who really cares when her legacy speaks for itself? I find it ironic how she died in alone in the Ritz hotel, while her two dysfunctional children were living abroad. Neither of them rushed back in haste.
- Margaret Thatcher - STILL DEAD.
- That is a fantastic essay by Russell Brand. Thanks for posting, R295.
- Holy shit! I was beginning to think Russell Brand was illiterate, but that essay was brilliant. I especially loved the way he destroyed the myth (championed by Obama) that Thatcher was a trailblazer.
- That hectoring tone of her voice, I won't miss that at all. Reminded me of Mum.
- This is my favorite pic of her.
- [quote]These people rioting and partying and looting are absolute scum, they were not even born in Thatcher's era or affected by her.
Idiots like this think history happens in a vacuum.
Anyone living in England was "affected by her," genius.
- The build-up to the funeral, the attendance of The Queen (I'm still here, bitches), and the immediate release of her official biography won't make much difference to her reputation.
It'll intensify feelings on both sides, but the implicit comparison with Churchill will be to her detriment. Churchill unified his country at its darkest time, she deepened divisions and used the rhetoric of civil war ('the enemy within'). General Galtieri and Arthur Scargill weren't Hitler and Hirohito. She was lucky in her enemies.
It's so apt that Ken Loach's brilliant documentary 'The Spirit of '45' has only recently been released. Maybe some screens will re-show it, given the current mood. Then a peak-time broadcast on Channel 4, please.
- Thank you r59. I have been singing that for the past few days.
- really good article on
Margaret Thatcher and misapplied death etiquette
The dictate that one 'not speak ill of the dead' is (at best) appropriate for private individuals, not influential public figures
- "Taxpayers can 'well afford' to contribute to estimated £10m cost of Baroness Thatcher's funeral, says William Hague"
Fucking hell. £10m??
- I didn't know that Russell Brand was literate either, let alone that he was capable of deep thought.
I don't see why we should miss someone who supported facist and racist regimes that killed innocent people and broke people's homes and societies. I don't miss Reagan either.
And Thatcher cannot take credit for privatization because there have always been enough rich and greedy people around that it would have happened at some point in the 1980s. It's not like she was the only Brit to have had the idea.
And as for empowering women, there are many others who have done a far better job.
- A fair amount of that must be for security, r308. Just imagine the protests that will be attempted.
- Ah the blind hatred of the left rears its head even in the supposed bastion of understanding that is the LGBT community, funnier still when you consider that the extreme left are the most anti gay of them all R282 even Parrots Galloway with the Costello lyric, and we all know his views on homosexuality.
Do you even remember what life was like Under the Wilson government?
- R308, it's £10million because of the threat of all the loony lefties and the IRA making a mess of it.
- 'The Daily Mail' has done the imagining for us in the most alarmist way possible on its front page today. It almost amounts to incitement.
- Debate hint, R312: when all you have is childish fact-free insults against "loony lefties", you've lost the argument.
I know, defending Maggie on her merits is well-nigh impossible. But "lefties suck!" is piss-poor defense.
- R311 - Woodrow Wilson?
- A topical video using Klaus Nomi's version of "Ding, Dong"
- The weight of this sad time we must obey,
Speak what we feel, not what we ought to say.
The Special's Thatcher-era version of "Maggie's Farm."
- Pro-Pinochet, Pro-Apartheid regime, called Mandela a terrorist, supported Pol Pot; contempt for LGBT Britons, for the working class, for Ireland...is there anything this woman that wasn't evil?
Fuck Margaret Thatcher and fuck her bloated corpse.
- Russell Brand has actually written several very well done essays....this is not his first.
I think it indicates a lot of the shit he does in his act is, in fact, all an act.
- Why is the Queen attending the funeral? She is supposed to be impartial in matters like this. It's obvious she liked her dear friend Thatcher-milk-Snatcher.
- I didn't know Thatcher's son Sir Mark Thatcher is a such a swine. She must have been really proud of him.
[quote]In 1998 South African authorities investigated his firm for allegedly running loan shark operations. A company owned by Thatcher offered unofficial small loans to hundreds of police officers, military personnel and civil servants. Those who defaulted were pursued by debt collectors and charged 20% interest rates, according to the Star of Johannesburg.
[quote]There was an allegation of U.S. tax evasion (a criminal case was eventually dropped) and a racketeering case in Texas which was settled out of court.
[quote]Thatcher pleaded guilty in January 2005 to breaking anti-mercenary legislation in South Africa by investing in an aircraft "without taking proper investigations into what it would be used for", admitting in court that he had paid the money, but said he was under the impression it was to be invested in an air ambulance service to help impoverished Africans.
[quote]During his first marriage, Thatcher had an affair with Russell (who became his second wife), about which Diane Thatcher later confronted Russell.
- It is interesting that The Queen is attending. When Thatcher was at her peak of controversy in office there were noises from The Palace about the fabric of the nation, damage to society etcetera.
Nothing of course would ever be close to direct attribution, but the noises wouldn't have been passed along the line and published were there not Royal concerns. Not that it appeared to make any difference.
Anyway, Thatcher still received the Order of the Garter and the Order of Merit, the highest honours in the gift of the Sovereign.
It would I suppose look odder were The Queen not to appear at so big an occasion. The streets cleared, St Paul's packed, millions of viewers. Non-attendance would be seen as a snub. While honouring a woman of achievement, she'll appear yet more remarkable in the eyes of the world. Palace politics.
- Dont right wingers usually end up with selfish dirty pigs for children? If your mother says "there is no society" I suppose you might be expected to be a white collar criminal.
- R321, the daughter was sacked from the BBC for calling some sportsman a "golliwog". Nice family.
- R322 Tony Blair didn't receive those honours from the Queen when he left so it appears that Maggie was liked by the Queen who, quite understandably, is a Conservative at heart.
The Queen doesn't usually attend the funerals of ex Prime Ministers so there should be no reason for her to attend this one. Especially in the wake of waves of public protest.
Remember when Diana died? You could not move for all the flowers laid at her home. I saw some pictures from Thatcher's home today, a couple bunches of flowers and a carton of milk.
I think the Palace is not doing themselves any favours by representing themselves at this funeral. Thatcher is no Churchill.
- It was beautiful top 10 tennis player Jo-Wilfred Tsonga, R324, and he referred to him as a Golliwog Frog on BBC's The One Show (the normally harmless 7PM newsmagazine show).
She's a hateful cunt.
- Classic surreal animation from the web's early days, featuring a kitten with the head of Margaret Thatcher battling a giant rabbit.
- Glenda just gave her what for in the commons!
- This is why Glenda Jackson is DL royalty! She won't be bullied.
- Brava Glenda! (We won't be seeing you at the funeral, then.)
- I understand most liberal MPs didn't show up for the session today. Right on, Glenda!
- No doubt Glenda will be berated for "speaking ill of the dead". Well if there is ill to speak off, speak up.
- R326 - she called Tsonga a golliwog backstage, and not when the show was on air. Other guests told her to apologise and she repeated it, and was unrepentant.
The Daily Mail and Telegraph supported her, complaining that those who were offended were just politically correct.
Carol Thatcher pretty much disappeared from TV after that, but did appear as a guest on the BBC Sunday morning show, reviewing the newspaper. She really is a cunt.
- apple didn't fall far....
- Russell Brand actually talks like that IRL, R301. He's much the same when he's doing his TV presenting or on a talk show, so this wasn't a thesaurus job.
He has a complete and total mastery of language, probably more than his idol Moz and I'm always in awe of him.
Now that is how you big words. But aside from the big words, there was real insight there. Brilliant.
- It looks like Ding Dong the Witch Is Dead is on track to hit Number 1 on the UK charts. But hold up:
***The BBC said it would decide whether to play Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead during Radio 1's top 40 countdown when places are finalised this weekend.
In a statement it said: "The Official Chart Show on Sunday is a historical and factual account of what the British public has been buying and we will make a decision about playing it when the final chart positions are clear."***
So much for freedom.
- Right-wing historian Andrew Roberts, whose History of the English-Speaking Peoples glorified Reagan and Thatcher, wrote a tearful eulogy for Thatcher in the Wall Street Journal.
- Is "Moz" Morrisey?
- Andrew Roberts: uber-snob and armchair hawk. He and Niall Ferguson are vying to be the top pet historian of the one per cent. And in so doing, somehow join the club. Scribble scribble scribble.
- ^ Yup. I wasn't sure whether to put that, but I knew a good deal would know.
- 234 - Bush Senior and Major were the actually the moderate successors to their more conservative predecessors. Of course the UK also reelected Blair after Iraq as the US did Dubya!
- Yeah, R336, like i said on the other 'Ding Dong' thread, this chimes with Silver Jubilee year way back when the BBC made sure The Sex Pistols didn't make number one with "God Save The Queen."
On the one hand the BBC and Thatcher were oil and water, and many would love to underline popular protest. On the other hand the BBC has taken a huge drubbing after the Savile scandal, and won't want to attract more controversy.
(Lively side note: Savile, the career paedophile, boasted of spending year after year with the Thatchers at Christmas. He was later knighted.)
- [quote]On the other hand the BBC has taken a huge drubbing after the Savile scandal, and won't want to attract more controversy.
Especially since there's more to come.
- r338 Yes.
- John Madjeski, the owner of Reading football club, and partner of arch Tory Cilla Black, requested a minute's silence at the start of Reading's match with Liverpool at the weekend.
This is Liverpool, the club where 96 fans died in 1989, and whose fans were blamed by the police for causing the disaster, when it was a policing error that caused it. When Thatcher was told about the police's involvement, and how they had covered it up and blamed the supporters, she decided that the truth would be harmful to the police, and allowed the cover up to continue.
Most of the other people involved in perpetuating the lies about Hillsborough have apologies or admitted they were wrong. but she never did.
If John Madjeski thinks Liverpool fans will stay silent for even one second, he needs to take his deranged ginger bitch and move to another country, pronto.
- Tomorrow is zombie watch - let's see if she rises from the dead on the 3rd day to kill again!
- All the poor people will probably be having a parade.
- Old Cilla actually denied being a Tory R345. She definitely was an ardent Thatcher supporter though.
I never got why Paul O'Grady became friends with her, he slagged her for years for being a Tory.
- [quote]It was her government that started putting people on incapacity benefit rather than register them as unemployed because the Britain she inherited was broadly full employment.
Ok, who thought up this trick first the US or Britain?
- Is the incapacity benefit a stipend for someone who is too ill, injured, or has a disability that prevents work (like SSS in the U.S.)?
- OK, Jo-Wilfried Tsonga is a cutie! Fuck Thatcher's daughter!
Reading to hold silence for Hillsborough victims instead of Thatcher
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 - 01:52 PM
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Reading chairman John Madejski has admitted there was never a chance his belief that Baroness Thatcher should be afforded a minute’s silence before this weekend’s matches would be put into practice.
The Royals are to hold a silence ahead of their Premier League encounter with Liverpool on Saturday but in honour of the 96 victims of the Hillsborough disaster.
That move has already been welcomed by the Hillsborough Family Support Group, which has added its weight to a belief it would be “a mistake” to afford the same tribute to Baroness Thatcher, who died on Monday.
And it is the weight of feeling against the former Prime Minister that left Madejski of the opinion a silence would never happen.
“Margaret Thatcher did so much good for this country and she deserves respect,” said Madejski, who was speaking at the annual Soccerex conference in Manchester.
“Like any politician, she made mistakes. But she also got an awful lot right.
“Maybe some people in the north of England feel differently, but if the coal mines had been working as they should they wouldn’t have been closed down.
“I would have wanted a silence but I didn’t think for a minute it would happen.
“In a way it could have been the worst thing because some people might have been jeering.”
Although there has been no public statement on the issue, the FA has privately confirmed again today there will be no minute’s silence ahead of the two FA Cup semi-finals this weekend."
- This whole week the political elites of the US and UK have shown us how out of touch they are.
- Margaret Thatcher: STILL dead.
Thatcher: STILL a rancid old cunt!
- Apparently, the palace had misgivings about too much pomp at the funeral.
[quote]Buckingham Palace raised concerns about the ceremonial funeral with military honours for Lady Thatcher that is to be attended on Wednesday by the Queen and more than 2,000 guests including every surviving British prime minister, the Guardian understands.
[quote]As invitations were sent out to world leaders, including all surviving US presidents and Hillary Clinton, it emerged that concerns were expressed at the highest levels about whether it is appropriate for such a controversial figure to be escorted on her final journey by more than 700 military personnel
[quote]In discussions about the funeral held over recent years, it is understood that questions were raised by senior figures about whether it would be right to associate the military with such a divisive figure, according to a well-placed Whitehall source.
[quote]It is understood that there were fears that the British tradition, in which the monarchy rather than politicians are associated with ceremonial aspects of the military, could be called into question. Thatcher's coffin will be drawn on a gun carriage of the King's Troop Royal Horse Artillery from St Clement Danes church – the church of the Royal Air Force in the Strand – to St Paul's cathedral.
- They can pour all the money they want into funerals and memorials and monuments, but they can't stop people from hating her. I'd actually like to see them put a statue of her up on that fourth plinth just to see what would happen to it.
- [quote]if the coal mines had been working as they should they wouldn’t have been closed down.
That is such bullshit. Does John Madjeski, the owner of Reading football club, have any idea how much coal now has to be imported into the UK? Her entire scheme for the mines was a failure in all aspects.
- As an alternative to "Ding, Dong, the Witch Is Dead"--"Thank You Very Much"
- Maggie burning in Hell?
As it turns out, yes - the lady's hot for burning!
- They should have a memorial site for her where people can leave slashed teddy bears holding dead rosebuds.
- I think people should spare a thought for Satan and the rest of Hell at this most difficult time.
- Actually, the Queen loathed Thatcher. Whenever MT met QEII in public, she always made a point of greeting QEII with an over-exaggerated curtsey, widely perceived to be a mocking gesture.
- To paraphrase a Scottish comedian: £10 million for her funeral ? For £10 million, they could have given everyone in Scotland a shovel, and they'd have dug a pit straight through to Hell, to hand her over to Satan in person.
- It seems as if this all happend years before Boston.
- [quote]All of us that grew up under Thatcher were taught that it is good to be selfish, that other people's pain is not your problem, that pain is in fact a weakness and suffering is deserved and shameful.
Does Russell Brand read DL?
- They should cut of her head and stuff her mouth with garlic, just to be sure.
- Despite a great dislike for her by people in the U.K., the Brits know how to put on a dignified funeral. At least Posh Spice wasn't trying for the spotlight.
- Michele Bachmann was there trying for the spotlight instead. The BBC reported that she said she wanted to be America's iron lady.
- It's been several days since she kicked, but each time here names pops up, I smile because she's Still Dead.