I see many guys exclaiming how much they HATE the state, but never really say exactly why? I get the impression that the big problem of living there is that there are a lot more services mandated than the tax base can support, plus a majorly screwed up state pension system. Anything else?
California is the greatest state in the union. Everyone else is just jealous.
Death to New York!
No better state to live. Helps to have money.
CA used to be the envy of the other continental U.S. states.
Due to high taxes, poorly run cities and bad economy, not so anymore.
The weather is the reason I stay.
I lived there for a year and I simply didn't like it. I thought the people were boring. I lived in LA so maybe other parts of the state are more interesting, but as far as LA goes, it was dirty, overpriced, not friendly, and had no culture. Plus I like 4 seasons, so the constant warm sun was boring after awhile.
I just moved out of there after living in LA for 20 years. While I think its a great state and loved living there, the population is very transient making it harder to establish close friendships. Plus having so many gays living in such a concentrated area is not always a good thing.
I loved it, but you really need to be well-off to live there. Or at least, to live well.
NEPA are you speaking of We Ho or all of Los Angeles?
All of LA County and So Cal and the Bay Area. I found it to be both a positive and negative thing. I loved the weather.
A state of homophobic cunts!
Mexicans have destroyed the place.
The people are all illiterate pathological liars.
Don't listen to the naysayers. It's the DL. We hate everything here. And I believe NYCers make up the largest percentage of us and they REALLY hate anything from CA almost by definition, certainly anything from LA.
California can be great or horrible. It's what you make of it.
r12, how can this be true? More universities and medical centers than anywhere else in U.S.
There are trades off to high cost of living here (rent/mortage). You can eat very healthily for super cheap; good cheap organic produce and dry goods are readily available in comparison to other states.
The mountains, the desert, the beaches, the forests.
I'd like a nice little place in Sacramento.
But I can't justify it. Not with the flood danger.
I love California. I don't envision myself ever being there but if it were to be I would probably opt for a smaller city. Maybe Santa Barbara area? I find SD too boring and LA too big. The whole place has a rather dream like quality to it. Maybe it's the haze?
All of Sacramento is in danger of being washed away by a flood?
I love California (well I live there hehe)
I love San Diego, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Santa Barbara, San Jose, Valencia (the hottest guards I have ever seen!!), Sacramento, Palm Springs, Morrow Bay/San Luis Obispo, Redding, Oceanside, the coast (Ventura, long Beach)...etc...etc...
It's a beautiful state and a great place to vacation. The gay community in WeHo seemed very superficial and not too bright. There's not much in the way of culture compared to the East Coast. I give it a "Meh" overall. Scenery and the natural beauty only get you so far.
[quote]not much in the way of culture
Flame away if you must, but I'm actually wondering what specifically people are referring to when they say this. Opera? Ballet? Symphony? Competing productions of early Ibsen one-acts? Are these things you regularly take advantage of in your home state that you're starved for when you visit California?
I dunno. I could perhaps see why a Susan Sontag or Harold Bloom might bemoan the 'lack of culture' in Cali, but for the average DLer to adopt this pose just seems a bit pretentious, if you see what I'm getting at. In fact, it seems a sort of received, dated and off the shelf criticism of the place.
But do tell: What exactly are the cultural practices that you so dearly miss when you visit? Specifically list them.
Lived here for 15 years... Still wouldn't live anywhere else... If you get out of ghettos like West Hollywood, there are actually great places for Gays and Lesbians to live in the L.A. area - like Pasadena.
I like the gays of Long Beach.
And Manhattan Beach.
R11 is correct.
LA and California can be a great place to live. The biggest hurdle to get over is your preconceived idea of what it is about.
R11 Are you Chumash?
Before 1991, Californians thought they were just better than the rest of America at business. They had no idea that L.A. was as dependent on government aerospace spending as Detroit was dependent on cars. The 1991-92 recession was a huge wakeup call. They went into a severe spiral and what steadied the ship were Mexican illegals manning sweatshops who brought us a new low-wage textile industry, up and running within a couple years. You might say they saved Los Angeles, albeit a low wage L.A., meaner and leaner. But after the 1992 riots, it could have gone the other way. They could have become another Detroit.
Posters R1-R4 sum it up pretty well. I grew up here, so I knew nothing different.....until I spent two years in Ohio, for grad school. It was then that I understood what my father had been blathering about my whole life. He grew up in Poughkeepsie, NY --- his family moved to L.A. when he was a teenager, in 1939.
When I was little, he was forever spouting the phrase, "Just another rotten day in paradise!" .....And kept saying, "I don't understand why anyone would WANT to live back-East, when you could live HERE!"
As I said, I didn't "get it".....until I spent two winters, and two summers, in the midwest. The snow, the sleet, the completely oppressive humidity......I came running home, for the temperate climate of So. Cal, after my grad program. And that is why put up up with all the bullshit of Los Angeles, now. It's the weather, stupid.
I grew up in Los Angeles, and I can honestly say, I don't miss it. Vacationing there can be fun, but living there..forget about it.
Meanwhile, I love central and northern California. I've lived in Berkeley for nearly 30 years and I love it.
I'd move there tomorrow, but I'm 50 and there's no way I would be able to manage the housing expense at my age.
[quote]The mountains, the desert, the beaches, the forests.
We pack that into a smaller area.
Wow R29, you sum a thought I came here to post with much greater and more powerful brevity. As a native Californian, I would say the most common factor I've witnessed in transplants who end up hating it here is that they all have some starry eyed construct of what California is. It's like they can't move here and let life unfold, they expect magic within their first six months and if none appears they leave back to whence they came.
I love Cali. Born in LA., raised in L.A.
OP, New Yorkers in particular reflexively hate California, L.A. in particular, as mentioned earlier. It has nothing to do with state pensions or any bullshit like that: L.A. in numerous ways reflects NYC's polar opposite. L.A. = entirely dependent on cars. NYC = no valid need to own a car even if you have a country home (just rent a Zipcar). L.A. = seasonless, vapid, everyone's happy all the time. NYC = bitter winters, blistering summers, everyone's always in a bad mood even when they're not. Plus, now NYC's getting hit with the same environmental disasters that L.A. and the Gulf of Mexico area routinely deal with: earthquakes and hurricanes! More reason to hate!
As for myself, I would probably be perfectly happy living in L.A. only if I could contain my entire life (working, living, friends, etc.) in, say, Santa Monica, otherwise I'd go apeshit from the traffic alone. I've lived in some cities with terrible traffic (D.C., Atlanta, Houston), but NOTHING compares to the pure onslaught of it in the greater L.A. region. Sure, car traffic's bad in NYC, but at least there you can usually just hop on the subway instead!
Agreed regarding driving, R38. I'm a nervous driver to begin with. However, I don't think it's just NYC-based knee-jerk hatred here.
Los Angeles seems as though there's no middle class in terms of income, just poor folks (many on assistance) and a thinner layer of rich. The weather would be a huge attraction as I hate the idea of the extremes in the rest of the county. Parts of the Bay Area might not be bad, though NOT the city of SF itself!
R34 - we're in rather a similar boat.
R25, I couldn't agree more with you. Other than Broadway, what do East Coast cities have that you can't find in LA or SF? LA has a bevy of great theaters (of course not like NYC, but I'm sure equal to if not better than any other US city), movie houses (Silent Movie Theater is amazing), museums, interesting Art Deco architecture (among others), diverse food, etc.
I think East Coasters truly feel that the only thing LA is about is Paris Hilton or Lindsay Lohan. Vapid club going starlets. Sure, we have that. But we have so much more.
Not that I care. I'm happy to be an Angelino native and would be fine if no one else moved here.
R38 I don't think people are happier, but when you have nice weather how can you be in a bad mood??
I remember going to some places on the East coast and thinking: "this weather is horrible! How can anyone go outside with weather like this?!?!?!
I love driving through the coastline in the sunny weather... stop at the farmer's market to pick up organic fruit and vegetables. Grill something in my backyard or maybe go to the beach and nap for a bit. I mean, what exactly people think California should be? Some transplants come here with their long faces and terrible attitudes. Of course they are going to hate it here, but it's not because California is the problem.
Born in San Francisco, lived there until 40, now live in Sonoma, 63 years old. I have seen many changes. A huge surge in population since my childhood that includes immigrants from China, Mexico, and many other places, including other states. The impact of so many newcomers has contributed to a stressed infrastructure and expensive cost of education. Still, California has stunning natural beauty and I still love my hometown, adopted town, and my state. I enjoy traveling to other states and countries, too. There are so many beautiful places to live.
This is kind of a really huge fucking state to hate the entire thing. It takes up the majority of the coast and the difference between the LA areas and San Francisco is like night and day.
Then there are tons of areas above, below, and in between.
Anyone who says they hate the ENTIRE state has to be an idiot. There are too many places you could go that aren't the same to hate the whole entire state.
I was born and raised in So.Cal and I have found that it's the people that aren't native to California that bring the attitude and artifice.
R44 So true.
I have lived all over the world. California is the greatest place in the world for me.
That really is true, R44.
I've lived mostly in So. California. Spent a few years living in SF.
In the military, I was stationed all over California, as well.
I'm like those who feel the grass is greener, elsewhere. Still,there's so much to enjoy if one has a car. I see the burgeoning population has many handicapped, homeless and foreigners among them. I heard from some homeless, that the police in other cities were telling them to go to California, as there's plenty of free food, good weather for sleeping outdoors, and generous money givers in the state.
Where I live there are many former show biz people who have retired. Met a few.
California is okay
[quote]I was born and raised in So.Cal and I have found that it's the people that aren't native to California that bring the attitude and artifice.
Mixed bag in LA. Sure a lot of "pretty" transplants come and act like assholes, but I've met some very very nasty locals in my 3 years here.
People are people. There are idiots and jerks everywhere...especially in and around LA where a lot of people come to live a superficial lifestyle that should only exist on television.
The wannabe models/actors who think they'll get ahead in LA of all places. They're a dime a dozen and totally good for nothing. They think being club promoters or settling for porn will get them somewhere. Yet they have the nerve to belittle people who they think are "ugly". Ha.
Yeah, the people - at least in Los Angeles - are total douchebags.
Beautiful state, great weather, delicious food. Absolutely awful, horrible EVIL people, north or south.
I'm currently being stalked by a few people who waste their Saturday nights trying to harass me. Still don't hate it here and I won't judge the entire population of LA or California based on them.
Lived there for four years. Ultimately it was the people that made me leave. The shallow, self-centered, vapid, inconsiderate, fake, say-one-thing-do-another, flakey people. I just couldn't stand 'em anymore...I literally starting having urges to run them over with my car. I had to get out of there.
Yes, R51. All of them. Every last one of them! Tens of millions of people. All evil.
I love California. The big drawback for me is the cost of living.
Like any place, it's not for everyone, regardless of where specifically in Cali we're talking about.
R53, it was the people that I hated most of all, too, but the weather was a very close second.
Well golly gee, isn't it a shame that lovely rays of sunshine R53 & R56 left California?
I'm sure that all 30-plus million people that live in Cali and do love it, weep for their absence.
California is thee most unique state in the union geographically. We have cities, towns, small cities, the ocean, mountains, the country, forests, the very unique and breathtakingly beautiful humongous Redwood trees, snow,hot weather, cold weather, and desert. If you want more seasonal weather, northern California tends to lean in that direction more so than southern California which has warm weather most of the year.
SF has the Modern Art museum, The Asian Art Museum, The Holocaust museum, The Legion of Honor museum, De Young museum, opera, ballet, on and on. In LA they have opera, ballet, and many museums. Getty museum is well loved and beautiful. There are many other smaller cities in California,which have the ballet and the opera as well.
Also, California is extremely diverse. However, we have a major illegal problem.
The negatives, our lunatic governor. the extremely high taxes on individuals and corporations. Many corporations and businesses can't make it with the enormous California State tax.
California rocks! The haters are just jealous they don't live here!
I love LA! Best place on earth.
California has got to be the most diverse state in terms of landscape, I live in a peaceful little college town and easily drive to mountains (volcanic or granite), coastline (beach or mountainous), major and minor cities, forests, desert, real country, etc.
Of course it's not perfect, there is no perfect place. But if I had enough money to live anywhere in the world, I might very well stay here. Someplace in Marin, perhaps.
[quote]However, we have a major illegal problem.
Say that again--about 10 million times.
After living in several cities in the US and abroad, I now live part of the year in Santa Barbara and part in Massachusetts. It's perfect.
I don't find the taxes I pay in California to be much more than I paid in New York or Boston. I guess if I lived in Mid-West they'd seem outrageous but it's normal to me.
I have to agree with R53, the CA vapid approach to life gets on my nerves sometimes. There is a higher percentage of idiots here, I don't know why. I just stick with the people I like, hang on to my East coast and foreign friends and it's fine.
#44, it's true that a fair amount of newcomers bring artifice and pretension, but a lot of natives are insufferably smug as well. I'm from San Francisco and am a noxious bore from time to time. Now that I'm in Sonoma, some of the native Sonomans are even worse than native San Franciscans. Human nature I guess. Some people like to think they are better than others because of the luck of their birthplace, other people because they love their new habitat.
Glad I'm not from Modesto
I live in LA and can't wait to leave.
R11, I've lived in Calif since I was a child & the Mexicans are the only group of people here who don't routinely annoy me.
[quote]I've lived in Calif since I was a child & the Mexicans are the only group of people here who don't routinely annoy me.
I was wondering if anyone else felt that way. While not from CA myself, my whole family has been there for years (all along the coast), and I frequently visit. And when it comes to which "types" of Californians are the most unpleasant to encounter, I've always felt like the Mexicans were pretty innocuous. I only had one bad experience when I tried to go shopping in a bodega whose cashier obviously disliked white people. Other types of people there have been unpleasant without exception. Maybe residents feel other consequences from Mexican presence, but that's not necessarily the fault of the people themselves.
I agree about Mexicans and Central Americans, as long as they're not gang members, they seem to be pleasant and hard working people. I like them as an ethnic group and have no problem with them immigrating here.
What about the Castro Vally? Places like Livermore, Pleasanton, they seem like idyllic California places.
Livermore and Pleasanton... idyllic?
Okay, I suppose they're nice enough, as overpriced suburbs go, but unless you live for hiking in the surrounding hills they're just more overpriced suburbs. And there's a hell of a lot of traffic between you and anyplace of interest, or most jobs.
R11/R62, we get it -- you're an emasculated white male afraid of losing your white privileges.
Me too, r42 and r64. Finally left The City for Marin at age 50 for a career change, short commute, and a possible LTR. It's an experiment. Still not used to all the white people and aggressive BMW drivers.
Have traveled to many stunning parts of the world but always enjoy coming home to the spectacular natural beauty, ethnic diversity, and Liberalism of Northern California.
Much of LA county and the inland empire are the ugliest places I've ever seen on the planet.
I wonder what the OP's issue about the city of San Francisco is?
The Amador Valley (Pleasanton, Livermore, Dublin) is not especially idyllic. Farther north on 680 though, are strings of very beautiful towns, like Alamo and Danville, and headed west to the pass Moraga and Lafayette.
Inland Empire is a total waste of space, but most of LA County is pretty damn gorgeous. The Hollywood Hills? Malibu? I mean it's a huge city, with huge city urban issues, but it's not ugly at all.