Toronto has to be the worst city in the world. It is dirty, ugly, and looks like it's falling apart. I have to travel to work riding its rust bucket TTC. Man, going around the city really makes you feel so depressed.
This is why I especially like Kelly Clarkson's "Break Away". If only one day, I could break away from this shithole.
Yes, OP, it compares terribly to Lagos.
How long until the mandatory Houston cheap shot?
You need to head over to LCBO and get a bottle of Ontario Whine, OP.
OP clearly has some weird disdain for the city. Couldn't afford the rent or something?
Toronto is definitely ugly. But it's suuuuper eclectic and gay-friendly. Most guys downtown are gay.
OP should take a trip to Dhaka, Bangladesh.
[quote]I have to travel to work riding its rust bucket TTC.
Me too. Haven't you been on any of the new subway trains? And the new streetcars are being rolled out next year.
Go vist Cleveland and get back to us.
They campaigned to get foreigners to move there a couple decades ago, and now I'm sure they regret it. I imagine it will be renamed West Kabul someday.
Wow, is Toronto really that big of a shithole? I've never been there, but if it's that bad, I won't bother going.
I'm sure they don't regret it, especially as that welcome did not extend to Americans.
Toronto is wonderful, not a shithole.
That said if you want to leave it and marry an American...
As someone who's lived in Toronto for 12 years, I can understand the sentiment expressed by OP but he's being a bit of a drama queen. It's nondescript and bland rather than ugly, without amazing culture or architecture, the TTC is indeed complete crap, but there are far worse places to live. It is horribly overpriced, even in comparison to, say, NYC. If you have a cushy job and make a lot of money, it is comfortable and convenient.
I am so surprised to hear this. I thought it was friendly, clean, the buildings had personality.
Maybe one visit does not tell the whole tale but I found it quite nice.
Toronto is a nice city, very clean and safe, plenty of shopping, nice restaurants, and there is somewhat of an art and theatre scene.
But it's so multicultural that it's boring. Toronto doesn't really have an identity other than its multiculturalism. You get a bit of Italy here, a little India there and a whole lot of China over there, but you're left wondering, what exactly is Toronto? Vancouver has the gorgeous scenery and Montreal has the French thing, Toronto is just...there.
R5, I was going to say the same thing, but the comparison city was NYC.
The Canadians I know intensely dislike Toronto as being full of ... for lack of a better term, snotty yuppies.
I've always found the train stations themselves incredibly depressing places, miserable colour scheme, while being sterile at the same time.
[quote]It's nondescript and bland rather than ugly, without amazing culture or architecture,
This is exactly how I've always imagined it.
Goes to show...you don't need to go to Toronto, to know what Toronto's like.
Why does everything in Canada seem like 10 years behind the times? The fashion and decor seems so dated.
Toronto is wonderful. Architecturally mongrelized, yes, but incredibly heterogeneous, fantastic transit...and the islands!
Too bad it's north of here.
Horrible transit if you have to live here.
Otherwise, what R10 said.
You guys need to take the NYC subway! TTC crap? Bliss!
OP. You should do some traveling around North America. Visit such "cities' as Hartford, New Haven, Cleveland, Detroit, St. Louis, Bridgeport, Kansas City, Mo., Camden, Omaha, Baltimore, and Indianapolis and you'll come home with a newfound appreciation for what a great place Toronto is.
Toronto and its people are cold. And flat, like its environs.
[quote]But it's so multicultural that it's boring. Toronto doesn't really have an identity other than its multiculturalism.
It tries to be all things to all peoples and ends up being not quite anything to anyone, which is both its beauty and its failing.
Personally, I'm sick to death of the diversity mania. I don't give a fuck how you did things in whatever land of eternal fuckery you fled. You're in Canada now, bitches - learn to drive properly, don't cut in lines and say please and thank-you.
I'm from New Orleans. Come on down, sweetie. (you might want to bring your bullet proof vest)
Brussels is the worst place on the planet.
"Worst city in the world"
Hey op, fuck you, it's not my fault you live/work in a shitty part of town
Is Toronto replacing Chicago as the new DL urban punching bag fav?
Yes OP, it's a shithole. Amazing that The Economist has consistently ranked it among the 5 most livable cities on Earth. Or that its population continues to grow by tens of thousands every year to the point where it's now passed Chicago as North America's largest city.
[quote]Brussels is the worst place on the planet.
I have a friend who visited there and said that it was nothing like she thought it would be - that there were tons of Muslims in hijabs and lots of buildings were just falling apart.
I think I'd choose Toronto over any city in India. Once they're done raping women, they'll move on to men.
Toronto is a shithole. Ugly, charmless, and such a whining grotesque wannabe, forever proclaiming it is a "world-class city." Ha. With that pig for a mayor, too.
R27 has an L-shaped couch and a b&w oversized print of the NY skyline.
"it's now passed Chicago as North America's largest city"
I don't understand this. How? Mexico City is in North America. Metropolitan area: 21 million people.
And then there's New York City and Los Angeles.
I really don't think Toronto is North America's largest city, nor that Chicago is in 2nd place. Unless you're talking square miles or something, and I thought L.A. was pretty sprawling.
"But it's so multicultural that it's boring. Toronto doesn't really have an identity other than its multiculturalism."
This is so true. At first they had boring provincial WASPS, and then they added multicultural overdose. They went from boring...to boring, in another form. But they tell themselves they are exciting now, because the real estate prices went up.
Out of the cities I've actually been to, I'd have to say Moscow. Expensive, ugly and violent.
I also found Milan very disappointing compared to what I was expecting. Long way from a shithole though.
[quote]Mexico City is in North America
[quote]I also found Milan very disappointing compared to what I was expecting.
Why, what were you expecting? Maybe you were affected by all the 'fashion' talk. Not a good idea.
R35. Oh dear
R27 might be Glen Murray.
[quote] "But it's so multicultural that it's boring. Toronto doesn't really have an identity other than its multiculturalism."
I also agree with this. One would think that it would result in something interesting culturally and otherwise. Instead, it very much feels like different ethnic communities living side by side, remaining insular, instead of coming together and enriching each other's experiences.
I have been to New York, Los Angeles, San Diego, Sao paolo, Mexico City, Paris, London, Brussels, Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Cairo, tel aviv, Jerusalem, Beijing, Hong Kong. Shanghai, Jakarta, Myanmar, Bangkok, all of Vietnam, and countless other cities...Brussels is the worst.
r35 doesn't know that Mexico City is located in North America? The 'Oh, Dear' troll has just earned herself an 'Oh Dear!'
R39 Tell us about more about Brussels
[quote] I have been to New York, Los Angeles, San Diego, Sao paolo, Mexico City, Paris, London, Brussels, Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Cairo, tel aviv, Jerusalem, Beijing, Hong Kong. Shanghai, Jakarta, Myanmar, Bangkok, all of Vietnam, and countless other cities...Brussels is the worst.
Try Auckland. An abomination in one of the most beautiful places on the planet.
I meant 4th largest city, oops.
And R31 lives in a dumpster.
R42 What's wrong with Aucklund? It may be boring, but is it really the "worst"?
R36 Yes, I suppose I was affected by all the fashion talk - I expected to be like Paris. Instead I found a charmless city of post-industrial brutalism. Not horrible by any means but just totally at odds with what I was expecting.
R27 is like these idiots in Vancouver, who are ALWAYS pointing to some useless ranking that puts Toronto or Vancouver on some top ten list that includes other amazing cities...like...Melbourne and Perth...
Yeah, forget about NY and London and Paris...it's all about Calgary and Perth!
The only interesting city, real city, in Canada - Montreal isn't even on these stupid lists (and neither is NY, London, Paris), but... Calgary is. Calgary actually might be uglier than Toronto and more brainless than Vancouver. Shove these useless rankings up your ass - they are for businessmen that want parking spaces, and they have nothing to do with what is a great city.
R47 = Montrealer, ranked #16
R31 speaks the truth!
NYC is the worst. It is the bane of my existence.
Geez...I guess I will never leave New York.
The Mayor of Toronto hates his life so much that he's become a raging alcoholic!!!
The mayor of Toronto hates Toronto so much he has become an alcoholic. The people who voted for him hate themselves.
R2, I think you did the job yourself.
I've been to every major and most minor cities in the USA and Canada. Toronto is just bland and as others have said, lacking identity. For truly horrible, the Midwest Rust Belt and Cancer Coast of Texas-Louisiana-Mississippi-Alabama can't be beat.
Funny...I love Toronto. To each his own.
In Datalounge every city in the world, including Paris, London and Toronto, is a shithole compared to New York! There. Now can we never have another "let's shit on (fill in the blank)" thread again?
I can only speak to the places I've visited so I'd have to say London is the worst. Horrifically expensive, no one speaks English, terrible overcrowding, sewer odors and rude/arrogant locals. Oh, and the food really does still suck. Another decade or so you won't be able to tell it apart from Lagos.
Toronto? The worst city in the world?
You overprivileged piece of shit!
Have you been to Caracas or San Pedro Sula lately? To Mogadishu or Karachi?
R54 is right. New York City is truly vile.
are you sure that wasn't Toronto, R58?
I still plan to spend a couple weeks there in September.
I've always wanted to go to Canada - hell, to LIVE in Canada - since I was 12 (and I am OLD now).
I'll have a wonderful time, I'm sure - as long as I don't run into the miserable OP. (sorry, hon)
R41 - There is one TINY part of the city that is quaint/older looking with nice stores, restaurants, etc. The rest of it is a burned out dirty shit hole that looks like it had no renovations after the air raids of WWII. The first time I went there I had to take the train from Amsterdam. When we got to the station in London I honestly thought I had taken a train back in time to a Berlin station in 1946. Completely filthy, graffiti and trash every where. Insult to injury, the "taxi" we had to take to the hotel looked, and smelled, like a Soviet era Trabant. The people there are classless cretins, but because a lot of them speak French they tend to look down their horribly disfigured noses at anyone. Brussels is truly the only place I have ever been in the world where I couldn't find one redeeming quality.
Oops, Brussels not London.
It's true about Bruxelles! Levis HQ is in Brussels and I worked there for a year before moving to Paris. The people for some reason are hideously ugly and backwards. The Grand Place in the center is rather pretty and there is the best chocolate I've ever had at Pierre Marcolini. But nothing else to recommend it.
Brussels was the best of all the cities you went to. The problem was with you, not with Brussels.
Obvious rethug politicunt posting there.
Toronto is beautiful and full of strapping hunks who love recreational sex with foreigners.
This is the most famous landmark in Brussels/Bruxelles...
What makes Toronto so bad is its refusal to accept it is nothing more than land for foreign owned condos and American franchises.
In the 1980s, Toronto used to actually have original culture, but not today.
Few people born in Canada still live in Toronto, so it is barely Canadian anymore.
Toronto is a great city. Love it. A bit expensive, but way better than...
and don't even get me started on Asia! Tokoyo! Man, they sure have a strange slant on things, starting with their eyes.
Toronto is pretty bad
OP has obviously not been to Dayton, OH
He specified "City"
It is falsely assumed that so many people move to the city because they are interesting and cultural.
This is a false notion.
People move to the city because that is where the increasingly hard to find jobs are today. Unfortunately these jobs are often paying low wages and thus enters the quagmire of urban life and the emergence of 400 Sq Ft apartments.
Uh, the worst city in the world is Port Moresby. Then maybe Ulaan Baatar. Antananaravo is 3rd
Canada is a certain kind of over-taxed socialism that's not for me. There is only one major urban area in the country GTA. The whole area is sad because of all the landed immigrants who came looking for opportunity but unfortunately the economy of Can can't absorb their skills, so a lot of cab driving iranian neurosurgeons. I was married to a c--- canadian who stole all my money. Having said all that, Toronto is not a bad place. It doesn't stink of garbage and urine like NYC in July. plenty of neighborhoods to get a drink. summer is not long so they enjoy it, festivals etc
Maybe the worst city is in Syria?
Worst city is Washington D.C. So many assholes there! Way too many to count.
Canada and most of our northern states...full of mosquitoes, it's hard to put up with them.
Toronto is actually one of my favorite places, though it is kind of blandly modern, steel and glass towers kind of place.
Remington's and other places around that area were always loads of fun, lol.
It is definitely cold climate, though. I'd rather live there than Chicago or Boston or DC.
Guys in Toronto are hot, and it's basically a gay-friendly place.
R46, yes I agree with you - Milan is awful - great food and fashion and architecture, which is why it's so weird that the city is so offensive on so many levels.
[quote]"it's now passed Chicago as North America's largest city"
[quote]I don't understand this. How? Mexico City is in North America. Metropolitan area: 21 million people.
I think that should have been "as North America's third-largest metro area," because it now is.
I'm going to Milan, so what's the problem?
No, it's 4th largest now, after Ciudad Mexico, NY and LA. And that's for the city proper, not the conurbation. Chicago is still bigger in that sense.
The central part of Toronto (Downtown, Queens Park, The Annex) is beautiful but the urban/suburban sprawl surrounding it is ugly and depressing, especially in winter which is about 7 months long.
I remember listening to Jamaican secretaries at my NYC hospital in the 1990s complaining about how their relatives in Toronto were being surrounded by immigrants from Hong Kong.
I found Mumbai distasteful.
[quote]I remember listening to Jamaican secretaries at my NYC hospital in the 1990s complaining about how their relatives in Toronto were being surrounded by immigrants from Hong Kong
At least THEY aren't shooting up the place.
You won't find many people who were born in Canada, still living in Toronto today.
R82, it's smoggy and crowded - crowded not in a picturesque, Old World way, but more in a grungy, run-down, utililtarian way. Yes, the Cathedral and La Scala are nice. The food is superb. The main train station is also interesting - the art nouveau reliefs sort of scream 1920's or 30's. But there is a lot of petty street crime and gypsies and the people who live there are very VERY gruff. It's worth ONE visit, maybe for two days. That's it.
In the 80's, I dated a hot little Alitalia FA who was based in Milan. There's a place, the Hotline Club, which is probably the Hot Text Club now, if it's even there any longer. And then there was a huge gay disco on the outskirts of the city.
R86 - I agree, Mumbai and Delhi are horrible, but you sort of expect that when you go there and it isn't as much of a shock. Brussels, being in a first world country, I expected to be first world. It is a shit stain on the underwear of humanity.
R90, but I love their sprouts.
I agree, I guess every place does have its bright spot!
Toronto is banality personified. It so desperately wants to be Chicago or New York but never will be; it lacks the architectural heritage, sense of identity, and homegrown culture. Like another poster alluded to, it's tries to be everything to everyone and ends up being a place of nothingness.
In terms of intersting Canadian cities, I would cite: Halifax, Montreal, Winnipeg. That's all.
Toronto is fourth-largest ONLY if you don't take metro-area population into account, which in this day and age is retarded. Using this REALISTIC list, Toronto comes in seventh, below Chicago, Houston and DFW (and it ain't catching up with the latter two, given that Texas is one of the few places not hugely hurt by the recession).
When you judge cities, determining whether they appeal to you, whether you would want to visit, revisit, or live there, do you actually consider the entire city? Or, do you ignore the bad or boring areas if (a) they're places you really wouldn't need to go if in the city (like many ghetto areas in big cities), and (b) there's a lot in the city that you like which offsets whatever it is you find negative?
[quote]Have you been to Caracas or San Pedro Sula lately? To Mogadishu or Karachi?
I'm assuming OP's "worst" designation was to drive home the point how awful he thinks Toronto is, not because it's actually, objectively the worst. Sort of like saying "I'm so hungry I could eat a horse" generally just means you're really hungry, not that you could eat a whole horse.
I find Toronto "fine."
[quote] "I'm so hungry I could eat a horse"
Try the Swedish meatballs at Ikea.