- How come the little brat didn't have to call her Miss Crawford? WHY CAN'T SHE GIVE HER THE RESPECT... THAT SHE'S... ENTITLED TO?!?!
- "Tomahtoes," of course she says, "tomahtoes!"
What a phony!
- There's a 2-for-1 sale on Bon Ami in aisle 8.
- Because r1, she's not one of her FANS!
- I think the store was a Grand Union.
- Oh god, that really taxed my brain. Extreme suspension of disbelief.
- At the 1:20 as the camera pulls in close to the vending machine you can see that the one next to it is dispenses Monkees trinkets.
- ROTFLMAO!!! Joan looks like she wants to slap the shit out of this little brat.
- I wonder what would happen if the little pixie asked Joan to "fixted my cheesebwuggah".
- But, Joan! I want a COKE!
- Was this the first time Joan was ever in a supermarket?
- R2, Bette was a phony, too. I've always suspected her so-called Yankee accent was a put-on. If you go to 00:48 in this old bloopers clip, you can see how she quickly changes from the Mid-Atlantic accent to her natural speaking voice after she messes up. Yet in formal interviews thereafter and for the rest of her life, she always said "cahnt" and other affectations.
- Joan, you forgot to buy the vodka again!
- I like this thread.
- I wish Joan had been in that last bit at the end.
I could totally see her lose her shit and start screaming at those customers yelling and trashing the store.
- It's green! Like the grass, like the trees..like Frankenstein's monster..
- They came from GOD!
- Another Eastmancolor film fading away, much like its star. Joan should have insisted on Technicolor!
- Wow, they say don't work with children and animals - it should be don't work with Joan Crawford. Look at how she steals the opening scene just by constantly adjusting her hat!
- LOL R16
- This is too hilarious! I'm so surprised Joan Crawford would step foot in a supermarket. She must have been really desperate for attention at that time because her career was obliterated.R16, you cracked me up! LOL! There are many posts on this thread that is too hilarious!
- I'm sure this was sponsored by Pepsi.
- R22, You're funny. Did you not read the description?
I wonder if Joan really did know how to make gazpacho and paella. She was a San Antonian after all.
- "Nevermind! Don't answer! Just eat your wierdo...AND CHOKE ON IT, you little SLUT!"
- Joan was actually an accomplished cook, she wrote some recipes for "My Way of Life" and once said that if she hadn't have been an actress she would've liked to have been a chef.
- Tina, bring me the lobster!
- R23, those dishes are Spanish not Mexican.
- After the shoot, Joan twisted that child's feet between the bars of that shopping cart, and pushed her little ass into traffic. Then she beat the shit out of her.
- I wonder if Joan will run into Judy and Liza at the check-out...
- After reading R28's post, I miss Joan so much!
- She made that little autistic bitch conform!
- R29, that is a good question, why haven't those fruitcakes on YouTube done a skit Joan yet? She is one the official queens of all queerdom.
- LOL @ R31
- R28 has a gift.
- Are there any women here who were girls in that era and can remember what it was like to have to wear such short dresses? It looks like the poor girls were almost guaranteed to flash their underpants if they skipped or ran or even sat the wrong way.
- I was born in '72 r35 so I just missed that but always wondered about that with Jan and Cindy on the Brady Bunch.
- Little girls wore similar short dresses in the 1930s. Watch a Shirley Temple movie or Darla in OUR GANG (aka LITTLE RASCALS). Watch this scene where Shirley sings "The Good Ship Lollipop" in a very short dress. It's kinda disturbing how the grown men seem to be ogling her and start passing her around.
- Oh, no. Not rhubarb.
- R27, Yes, I know that, but many old San Antonian families trace their lineage to Galicia and the Canary Islands, so I thought that that may have influenced Crawford's culinary tastes. But, upon reading more about Crawford, I discovered that she spent her formative years in Oklahoma and Kansas City, MO, so disregard my previous comment.
- Joan seems to be the only one that is fascinated by the wonders of the supermarket and the fact that they have stuff there.
- She intones every line. I love how fussily she pronounces "Spanish sausage." I imagine she was quite the expert in trolling meat markets for Spanish sausage.
What do you suppose the back story to this trip to the wonderful world of the supermarket is? I imagine the little girl's mother is the grown daughter of some beloved lighting technician on the set of many of Crawford's pictures. Joan invited the woman and her little girl over for lunch in a deliberate ploy to score a trip to the market and back, Crawford being between chauffeurs, having docked the last one a day's wages for exceeding 45 mph on the freeway.
- Did they not call it chorizo back then?
- [quote]Ann Miller on register four
Don't you mean "fahr"?
- It's remarkable that the child was portrayed as not just obnoxious and charmless but so arrogantly stupid("Where do you think milk comes from? The SUPERMARKET!").
Joan's loathing for her is barely concealed and only increases as the film progresses.
Mitzi's mom breathes a quiet sign of relief as she breaks away, leaving star and child to roam the aisles together.
Mitzi never saw her mother again.
- I was a child in that time period, and am female. When you're a kid you don't care or notice if your panties show. I remember a friend of mine who was a few years younger than me, in church she was always all over her seat, as a kid would be, an her mother was constantly pulling her dress down to keep her panties from showing. People were naive back then, and didnt seem to realize how many sickos there were. There were plenty.
- Lol, loved it. Great Op!
- I also love it, particularly that regal tone Joan uses when she says: "like the grass, like the trees" and then "like Frankenstein's monster".
- I got a kick out of those white gloves Joan wore. I bet when she got out of there those gloves looked like she'd been chopping down rose bushes.
- Whatever Joan's shortcomings as a person, as an actress whether she was filming this or "TROG" or "Mildred Pierce", she really did give it her all.
- Those Weirdos didn't look edible. Why did Joan tell her to eat it?
- Boy, entranceways to supermarkets haven't changed at all, have they?
- "You twist it Joan". Wonder how many times Joan heard that line....? Eat your weirdo.
- R50 because it was toxic. Joan knew it would cause a painful death.
- My response to any who annoy me from this moment on, "eat your weirdo."
- [quote]Whatever Joan's shortcomings as a person, as an actress whether she was filming this or "TROG" or "Mildred Pierce", she really did give it her all.
Very true. Joan managed to make a little video quite amusing, out of the boring task of going to the supermarket. Few others could do that.
- [quote]Those Weirdos didn't look edible. Why did Joan tell her to eat it?
I know. The mother even describes it at the beginning as a "rubbery, plastic, little monster thing"? That would be like telling a kid now to eat their Silly Putty, which I'm sure is just as toxic.
- I love that last shot of the mother just walking away in the supermarket, to be swallowed up.
- "Eat your Weirdo."
"I can't eat a Wei..."
"Tina, bring me the axe!"
- What the fuck was that last part? The pilot for Supermarket Sweep?
- R59, I know! It was so abrupt and for a minute, I thought it was some kinda 60s riot.
- Who were these short films shown to, anyhow?
- We'll need to pick up more Comet for tonight when you scrub the bathroom floor.
Oh, and some spanish sausage for Mommie ...
Joan, prudent consumer
- I wonder if Joan was a couponer? Did she collect S&H Green Stamps?
- Joan drove a station wagon.
- Stuff of nightmares. Seriously.
- The jingle is still in my head and it's creeping me out.
- I was entranced by this.
- Why is it called The Big Rock Candy Mountain? There are no big rocks, no candy and no mountains to be seen in the whole damn picture.
- Apparently, plastic, rubbery Weirdos are candy.
- They edited out the part where she couldn't find the Spanish SOW-sage and she strangled the cashier and you could see the cashier's UNDERPANTS.
- [quote]Joan drove a station wagon.
I imagine that it was sponsored by Pepsico for the image.
- What was the ultimate point of this video besides making sure we saw a case of PEPSI on the checkout counter?
- I'm sorry, but not since Un Chien Andalou has a film left me this confused. What is going on here? There are so many strange things. The confrontational way Crawford asks the little girl where does she think meat comes from. The bizarre inner monologue she has at the check-out. Even the title "The Big Rock Candy Mountain" is strange. Why was this even made? Who was the intended audience? What is it's message?
- Liza: Fritos and Cheetos!
Judy: And Pepsi too.
- Based on what we saw, I assume Pepsico owned Frito-Lay even back then.
- I'm with r73. I need insight. Please.
- LOL R11! My thoughts exactly.
- True R39-- she was a shopgirl at some dept. store downtown on Petticoat Lane I believe. Petticoat Lane was the adopted name of the street where all the fashionable woman's stores were.
That video and this thread is delightful.. and yes, I also wanted to slap that child.
- LOL.. This thread is one of the reason I love DL and you guys!
kcguy, from the city where Miss Crawford spent her formative years
- [quote]Why was this even made? Who was the intended audience? What is it's message?
WE are its intended audience. As in 2001: A Space Odyssey where the monoliths were placed within our solar system by an advanced inter-galactic race for mankind to discover at various stages in its evolution, so this short film was made in anticipation of our unearthing it decades hence to point the way toward a fabulous future where once again civilized human beings will don chapeaux and white gloves to do their marketing.
- Christina! Cleanup on aisle 4!
- Little girl: What are you looking for now?
Joan: Spanish sausage.
Little girl: What's that?
Joan: The nickname we gave Fernando Lamas at MGM.
- Little girl: Oh, that's right! Mommy says you like them uncut.
- I like how Joan can turn a simple infomercial into a high art commentary on social activity. This isn't your run-of-the-mill trip to the local grocer, but rather a study of mores, future trends and culture as a whole.
By the way, the "red" Weirdo is the MacGuffin. The "green" Weirdo is the red herring.
I bet you Davis could never pull this shit off!
- Theatrical, indeed.
- Don't fuck with me kid. This ain't my first time at the supermarket
- "Oh, Joan! Why can't YOU be my mommy?"
- Careful what you wish for, missy!
- I love the stomp sound on the floor mat (courtesy of Missy) to activate the automatic swinging door for whatever reason.
- Christina! Get me that Spanish sausage!
NO NO NO, not in aisle three. He's moved to aisle seven.
- I've watched this thing like 9 times already. Every time I watch it I find something new to focus on. This last time was seeing how many times I could eye Pepsi placements...I counted three.
And I would so love to own that station wagon. They just don't make long cars like that anymore.
- "I want a RED one!"
"Red - like cheap lipstick. Like the welts on your ass. Like a bloody jaw. Like THE FLAMES OF HELL!"
- I watched it 3 times, R91.
I was about the age of the kid at the time and watching it feels like being in a time tunnel.
But it's also one of the strangest things I've ever seen.
- I long to see the companion piece in which the young mother and little Missy accompany Judy Garland on a trip to the pharmacy.
"You love your Aunt Judy, don't you, kid? Don't you? Hold still, kid, let Aunt Judy give you a kiss . . . shh, put these in your pocket and don't take them out until we're back in the car, got it?"
- You get a glimpse of Joan's girdle bulge and panty lines as the little girl drags her toward the vending machines. For a second her frock clings most unflatteringly to her well-trussed torso.
The script contains drama. Joan is going to make a Spanish dinner but only if she can find everything she needs. She rattles off a fairly long list but oh, joy, it's all there under one roof, including the Pepsi-Cola.
The Big Rock Candy Mountain is a reference to the folk song about a magical land of free and abundant sweets that even includes cigarette trees. You can sort of see the comparison to a supermarket back when they were relatively new. Was this made to show food producers the importance of getting their products onto supermarket shelves?
- She sounded out of breath when digging through te meat case. Too many cigarette and vodka lunches.
- Why does she say towards the end, "for my young friend, the supermarket is the big cupboard in the sky"? Aren't places described as being "in the sky" where you go after you're dead? Does Joan plan on killer the little girl before they leave the store?
- I cannot stop watching the part where the mother makes a break for it.
I wonder if Joan carried and loaded her shopping bags into the station wagon herself or did she use a bag boy to do it for her.
Did she tip him?
Why did the mother run off without a shopping cart?
Did Joan wait for the mother by the car?
Did they discuss a meetup time off camera?
If the mother did not appear at the car in a timely manner, did Joan speed off with Mitzie or leave her in the parking lot?
Is Mitzie spelled with an "ie" or "y"?
How did one set up a shopping trip with Ms.Crawford?
Was Mitiie and the mom invited to Ms. Crawford's fiesta?
Was Joan sleeping or looking to seduce Mitzie's dad?
I want to interview the woman who played the young girl. It is her sister that uploaded the clip on youtube. Can the DL Special Events Dept make it happen?
- Green! Like the grass, like the trees...like Christina's bruises after a few days...
- Another question: why did this short devote such a large chunk of its brief running time to the weirdo? Did Pepsi-Cola make weirdos?
- Can someone explain the rhubarb "joke" to me (at least I think it's supposed to be a joke)?
- If only this were filmed today, Joan could say, "Mitzi, bring me the Axe..bodyspray, from aisle 7, with Men's Furnishings! This supermarket is wonderful, paella ingredients and something for the other Spanish sausage to freshen up with."
- Does Joan think the weirdo is candy? She tells the girl to eat it.
- I love Joan's alternately precise diction combined with what I'm guessing is vodka induced slurring.
And her elevated enunciation of "syoo-per-mah-kit".
- Kids didn't like rhubarb so they didn't think God made it.
- [quote]I love Joan's alternately precise diction combined with what I'm guessing is vodka induced slurring.
She almost slurs when she asks the girl, "Where do you think meat comes from?" she just stops short of saying "meats" as in "Where do you think meats comes from?"
- r104, In the parking lot Mitzi's mom tells Joan a wierdo is "a rubbery, plastic little monster thing".
So naturally Joan ordered Mitzi to eat it.
I love that the person who posted the video on YouTube is the brother or sister of Mitzi.
- This fucking short is weird an a "Forbidden Zone" kind of way. I can't believe that with all the shorts they ripped on, this never made it to the MST3K gang.
- She got drunk and followed the mother and girl home that night, causing an ugly scene. They caught it all on their Brownie- in glorious B+W.
- I hope some enterprising drag queen does a re-do, with all the original dialogue. No alterations.
- I want RED Weirdos! JUNGLE RED!!!
Mrs. Stephen Haines
- Even in the harsh fluorescent glare of that supermarket, Joan managed to find her key light.
- I have a few questions:
1. Was it common to find live lobsters and Spanish sausage for sale in 1960s supermarkets?
2. Who's idea was it for Joan to shop for a Spanish dinner? Did the average American know what paella and gazpacho was in the 1960s? She might as well have been shopping for Ethiopian food back then.
3. Why is Joan wearing gloves and a hat to go grocery shopping?
4. Why does Joan use both hands to turn the gumball machine lever?
- That kid is an angel compared to the screaming raging hellions in supermarkets today.
- It's also weird in the 60s to have a young kid address an adult as "Joan."
- [quote] Was it common to find live lobsters and Spanish sausage for sale in 1960s supermarkets?
[quote]Who's idea was it for Joan to shop for a Spanish dinner? Did the average American know what paella and gazpacho was in the 1960s? She might as well have been shopping for Ethiopian food back then.
I think that's the purpose of the clip, to show you could get everyone at the supermarket.
[quote]Why is Joan wearing gloves and a hat to go grocery shopping?
Women dressed up much more in those days and she's Joan Crawford.
[quote]Why does Joan use both hands to turn the gumball machine lever?
She wouldn't be able to turn it otherwise, she's slightly drunk.
- I remember that station wagon. It was a 1969 Ford LTD with wood on the side. They were everywhere back then.
- I love the mother...NO! you already have a wierdo!
- [quote]It's also weird in the 60s to have a young kid address an adult as "Joan."
I think it's to make her seem approachable, like she's an aunt or such.
[quote]Even in the harsh fluorescent glare of that supermarket, Joan managed to find her key light.
I surprised Joan didn't demand the lights be turned down to film-noir levels and the lens be smeared with Vaseline. She's shot remarkably clearly.
- I meant "everything".
- [quote] 1. Was it common to find live lobsters and Spanish sausage for sale in 1960s supermarkets?
Can't vouch for the Spanish sausage, but at least 2 of the supermarkets I went to with my family in the 1960s and 1970s in So Cal had live lobster tanks in their seafood/meat departments.
- You had it right the first time r121.
- "Joan, don't forget to pick up some caahrn so I can use my cahrn cahb holders."
- Get some powdered donuts too, Joan. I love a good powdered donut.
- R1234, why would Ann Miller pronounce "corn" and "cob" like that? She was from Texas, not Boston. My Bostonian grandparents (born and bred) pronounce it like that.
- Now every time I peruse the meat department of my local Kroger, I'm going to pretend I'm looking for Spanish sausage. I may even ask one of the workers where I might find the Spanish sausage(pronounced sow-sage, for full effect).
- Here you go R126
- Are you serious r126? It's an affectation.
- Sorry wrong clip. Her's the right one R126
- Obviously, she's wearing gloves so that you don't see the varicose veins, liver spots and knuckle wrinkles in the hand closeups.
And she's wearing a hat because they couldn't convince Sydney Guilaroff to come out of retirement to set and style her hair.
- I wasn't gonna pay someone to do my hair for a Christing trip to the market r131!
- Joan totally kicked the little girl into traffic then slit her mothers throat.
- Then ate some pussy
- [quote]I want RED Weirdos! JUNGLE RED!!!
That would be WRONG! Shockingly WRONG!
- Will Mitzi be making an appearance at MichFest this year?
- I wonder if Joan wrote a check to pay for the groceries? Did it say "Mrs. Alfred Steele"? Did they ask her for ID? (I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have needed it for the alcohol purchases.)
- Dear, the groceries were free. After all, I put supermarkets on the map after this film.
- She signed it, "She Who Must Be Obeyed."
- Lol r134. It would have been great if Joan put then girl right in the lobster tank.
- Charge it all to Mr. Mayer's tab!
Joan, having a manic episode at the register
- Mrs. Alfred whosis? That lady said she was Barbara Bennett from Redbook! I'm gonna hafta call my manager!
- Debbie, please!
Joan, craving a sausage
- This thread is killing me. Brava, Op. I am picturing Joan putting shit on Mayer's tab, assaulting the little girl and maybe even chomping a weirdo. I love it.
- I like how Joan is billed as making a "special guest appearance" in this film.
- [quote]It's also weird in the 60s to have a young kid address an adult as "Joan."
What else could she call her? Women didn't go by "Ms." in those days. Miss Crawford makes her sound like a spinster. Mrs. Steele isn't the name of a movie star. And "Aunt Joan" would be fatal.
- R146 Grandma!
- Produced in cooperation with "THE FOOD INDUSTRY"
- r148 what about the Pepsi industry and the booze industry? Did they have supporting roles?
- God love the old monster, she managed to find the best possible lighting for her profile... at the real-life supermarket checkout!
That, my friends, is true dedication to one's craft.
- Did they cut the scene where she returns a case of Pepsi bottles for the deposit?
- "I'm sorry Miss Crawford, but the check you just wrote is from the account of someone named Lucille LeSoeur!"
- This is a metapizza.
I can't sleep
- r146, actresses were routinely called "Miss" in those days (e.g. Miss Crawford, Miss Davis, Miss Garland)- it was the only title for a woman who hadn't taken her husband's name. It wouldn't have sounded spinster-ish to their ears back then when applied to an actress, because they would have been used to it.
I agree with whoever said that they had the girl call her "Joan" to make her seem more approachable and down-to-earth. Still, considering her well-known obsession with children's manners and decorum, it must have driven her crazy; I bet she had to grit her teeth every time the girl said it.
- Another thing arguing against the weirdo as being something edible: the fact that when the kid's asking for it in the beginning, the mother says, "No! You've got three weirdos at home!" Since any kid would of course eat a candy as soon as it's bought rather than stockpiling it to save for another day, it seems much likelier that weirdos are inedible toys.
Thus, I think we can definitively interpret Joan's instructions to the girl to eat her weirdo as an attempt to kill the little bitch...
- And we'll get Adrian to design my frock!!
Miss Crawford's shoulder pads
- As if nobody had heard of supermarkets by 1969 and needed Joan Crawford (and "The Food Industry") to promote them.
- and now look what has happened to these "supermarkets"
I Say Tomahto, You Say Exploitation
- I think Joan meant to say "play with " not "eat."
They just went with it.
- Pepsi was a leader in "one way" bottles, R151. If you look you can see that label on the Pepsi she is buying.
- I agree with R101. The line was probably "play with" but the preceding lines about food and the bottle of Beefeater she had for lunch confused the old gal. The director, who wanted nothing more than to put this turkey to bed, get home and smoke a spliff, said "fuck it" and let it slide.
- I wish the little girl had said..."Joan, those clams remind me that Mommy said you ate Marilyn Monroe's hairy pussy"
- [quote] the bottle of Beefeater she had for lunch confused the old gal
No Beefeater for Joan. She was a Smirnoff or Popov gal through and through.
- See Christina, you simply unsheath the sausage with your teeth, expose the tip and then suck the meat right out of the casing. Slide the sausage in and out of your mouth until done. Discreetly dispose of the casing in the nearest receptacle and reapply lipstick as needed.
Joan, ever the lady
- "I should've known you'd know where to find the Weirdos, Mitzi!"
- Where would this kind of film have been shown? Grocers' convention? At the drive-in between movies?
- It played the most in Miss Crawford's private screening room, R166. On a continuous loop, until she passed out from too many vodka Gimlets.
- [quote]As if nobody had heard of supermarkets by 1969 and needed Joan Crawford (and "The Food Industry") to promote them.
It's not that nobody had heard of them. In the 1960s many food producers like local dairies and industrial bakeries still peddled their wares using door-to-door delivery trucks and factory-owned retail outlets where they sold only their own products. I think this movie was not made for the general public but for companies within the "Food Industry," to stress the importance of getting their merchandise into supermarkets.
My grandfather worked at a large bread bakery that had been around for almost 100 years before it went bankrupt in the late 60s. Its chief rival switched its distribution strategy to rely primarily on supermarkets and it is still a thriving company today.
I think the "Eat your weirdo" comment is a joke on the so-called Generation Gap, showing how older people never quite understood what motivated anyone under the age of thirty.
- Okay, I have now watched this six times. Film schools should show this to students and not that boring Odessa Step scene from Potemkin.
I did a little research to try to find some more information about it. Who wrote it? Who are the actors? Who directed it and most importantly, who was supposed to see it? Sadly, I could find nothing. However it is interesting to note that the first mention of this in the net happened back in January when Gather.com did a post about it. In early March WorldofWonder.net got a hold of it and from there it exploded. It stared appearing on other sites and Michael Musto wrote about it. Read what Stargazing has to say about it. Its pretty damn funny.
- I love you r169!
"If the inability to avert one’s eyes were the sole measure of a film’s value, Big Rock Candy Mountain would be favorably compared to Citizen Kane!"
- Big Rock Candy Mountain?
- I just can't stop watching this. The checkout line voiceover featuring a polemic argument debating the ungodliness of rhubarb has to rank as one of the best scenes ever put on film.
- Thank you R169- Musto's take on this video is hilarious.
- Joan does "Password."
- Isn't R162 devastatingly funny?
- And who is playing a check-out girl? I say it's Diane Keaton (billed as "Diane Hall") in an early role.
- white gloves?
- R146, in real life Joan insisted that her grandkids call her "JoJo." And Christina claimed in [italic]Mommie Dearest[/italic] that when she was growing up, Joan wanted her friends from school to call her "Stinky."
- Joan took one of the Weirdos home and fed it and...
- R176, that cashier is played by none other than Ali McGraw just before she hit it big in Love Story.
- Rhubarb? Oh,no... not rhubarb.
- Mitzi, come here. Listen to me, you need to be nice to Joan, this is very hard for her. She had to do a screen test to get this part. Do you know what a screen test is?
- I love the moment of Joan picking out the lobster. It's a similar angle to the shot of Joan lovingly gazing on as her sister-in-law carves up a roast in STRAIT JACKET.
- Eat your weirdo!
- Does anyone else find this clip oddly soothing? Perhaps it takes me back to a simpler time when an outing to the grocery store was full of adventure and endless possibilities.
- I agree, r185, it brings back such memories.
- Do they even have those vending machines in supermarkets anymore? Maybe because it's something that no longer interests me, but I cant remember the last time I saw one.
- Didn't L.B. tell her that lobsters are trayf?
- Joan looked like she wanted to go by a nearby dry cleaners and get a wire hanger to use on that little brat.
- I wasn't around back then, but I always thought American taste in food was fairly provincial in the 60s.
This trade show featurette is supposed to make suppliers of food think they will have a huge market at the supermarket, but with Joan talking about Spanish cuisine and buying Lobster (high end) and Spanish Sow-sage (hard to find), this makes it seem very elitist, rather than popular.
- R190, Most people in 1969 were shopping for Swanson TV dinners, bologna and Jell-O. The fact that Queen Joan is under the impression that anyone knows what paella and gazpacho are is hilarious.
Leave it to Joan to come back from Piggly-Wiggly with fresh lobster, Spanish sausage, saffron, two liters of vodka....and a Weirdo.
- I think the reason they had her say she was making paella and gazpacho is because both of those dishes have a lot of different ingredients, some of them uncommon to most households at the time. The purpose of this film (from the best we can tell) was to encourage food suppliers to expand to supermarkets. What better way to demonstrate how diverse the selection at a supermarket could be than setting out to make something with 40* different items in it? I think R191 is right. I have a Good Housekeeping cook book my grandmother gave me from that time. While its very helpful with some basic things, the recipes are rather pedestrian.
* Obviously, I am exaggerating when I say 40.
- I love how we are all dissecting this little innocuous film with questions and theories as if it is the Rosetta Stone-like time capsule that holds the answers and solutions to all things gay and camp.
- It could very well be!
- [quote]The fact that Queen Joan is under the impression that anyone knows what paella and gazpacho are is hilarious.
R192 is right. Joan knew most Americans didn't buy such (then rare) ingredients. That's the point, to show how you can buy anything at the supermarket.
That those things are commonplace today makes the video dated however Joan obviously accomplished what she set out to do:
To promote Pepsi and bring the exotic to the common man.
And to keep her face on camera.(She would've never imagined that it'd be discussed in such detail today. I bet she'd be proud.)
- God...if only John Waters had directed this...
- r177, Joan was a germophobe. She wore white gloves outdoors and white socks around the house. Luckily, no one looked twice at a "lady" wearing gloves on normal outings.
Love that shot of her picking out a spice from the spice section - it looks very faintly of Ms Crawford checking for dust.
- I can't believe no one has mentioned that the theme from "2001: A Space Odyssey" starts to play near the end - the film is cut off and we seague way into footage of a supermarket contest. What the hell kind of Zen heights was Joan's trip to the supermarket going to take after her metaphysical meditations at the check-out counter?
Things we may never know
- I'm sure there was a world of dust lodged between Joan's legs.
- Is Joan trying to shove her tits in Little Mitzi's face at the 1:43 mark?
- Does anyone know what Mitzi says at the start before she makes her demand for a weirdo?
- ^ She says, "I want a jawbreaker and a Weirdo!"
- I want someone to do a dance remix of this.
"Eat your wierdo. Eat your wierdo. Eat your wierdo."
- LOL R193. Color me guilty!
- Are we sure it's Mitzi?? I thought her name was Missy.
The Ta-MAH-to bin on aisle 1
- It's *Missy*.
Same name as my parakeet at the time.
- Did grown women really wear hats like that, in the mid-sixties?
It looks like a little girls' hat, at least to me.
- [quote]Did grown women really wear hats like that, in the mid-sixties?
It's that girl, she's passed out under the tree. Pouring vodka into her Pepsi ice-tea.
- [quote]Did grown women really wear hats like that, in the mid-sixties?
Yes, but not to the supermarket. I wonder if Crawford was losing her hair. So many pictures of her from the late 60s and what she saw of the 70s has her in a hat, a turban or a wig.
- What about the gloves, R209?
Was she losing her fingers?
- R210 Age spots probably. She was very freckled. You can see them on her wrist in the shot when she is picking out the spice.
- Why does Joan insist that there's no such thing as a red Weirdo? Missy has clearly seen a red one before and that's why she wants one so badly. Joan had never even heard of a Weirdo, and now she's supposed to be an expert on them?
- Joan's reply about the Red Weirdo is supposed to give us a warm smile and the comforting thought that Crawford knows a thing or two about child psychology.
Of course, with what we know now about Crawford's approach to child psychology, it is not safe to assume that Missy ended the day with the same full head of hair she began it with.
- I'll bet they never served paella at Mildred's!
- [quote]God...if only John Waters had directed this...
Are you so sure he didn't?
- I love you Red Weirdos at r212 and also r213. This is so fun.
- You can when the camera zooms in on the Weirdo Machine that it specifically says GREEN Weirdo. So Joan can read what it says on the machine and the little girl can't?
They must have shot the whole thing in a single day, otherwise Joan never would have let them get by with the shot where she's walking into the store talking about the paella and gazpacho and the actress playing the mom stands in front of her while she's talking! Otherwise Joan would have caught it in the rushes.
Joan is the only woman in sight wearing gloves.
I love when she looks from side to side, an actress trying to organically "birth" the remembering of her grocery list.
I think Joan sounds the most looped in the VO about the syoo-permarket at the end: "annit pretty much does."
- Oh and I love Joan's look to the mom at 0:53 to facilitate the big head turn to segue into the walking shot over to the gumball machines!
- I bet Joan was supposed to say 'eat your jawbreaker' but tipsily messed up the line. No time for retakes on the BIG ROCK CANDY MOUNTAIN set.
And why is she driving them to the store? Are we to believe that Joan is part of some neighborhood car pool?
- Times are tough; still I treat you to a lovely supermarket excursion, and I get smart-alek BACKTALK.
- "green like the grass, the trees... like Frankenstein's monster."
The hushed way that line is delivered by our Aunt Joan gets me every time. As Michael Musto said in his stargazing column, her delivery of that line sounds like it was lifted directly from one of her early movies.
- That's why I love her, R221. No matter what the material, she gives it her MGM all.
- Joan.. giving it her all.
- I never realized how swarthy she had gotten.
- It was customary for big stars to appear in these short industry films in the 1950s and 1960s because they were paid handsomely for just a day's work and, more importantly, had the reassurance they wouldn't be shown to the general public.
It was not unlike big stars today (Brad Pitt, et.al.) appearing in Japanese TV commercials that are never shown in America.
There are probably lots of these short films out there with Golden Age stars hawking various products, but only for the sponsors' viewership.
- OMG, a hat (!), gloves (!!) and earrings (!!!). Just a little overdressed for the local Piggly Wiggly, I think.
- [quote]It was not unlike big stars today (Brad Pitt, et.al.) appearing in Japanese TV commercials that are never shown in America.
Is that still happening? I figured in this day and age when you can see foreign commercials on YouTube or anywhere online, it didn't make a difference anymore.
- The short is so bizarre and disorienting. Almost as if it was made that way on purpose.
I just noticed that the entrance shown in the (unnecessary) P.O.V. shot as they are entering the supermarket does not in any way match the reverse shot of the entrance with Joan talking about Spanish dinner.
- The mother returns from shopping and asks Joan where Missy is, just as screams of horror are heard from the far end of the grocery store. The mother drops her bags and runs towards the screams to find Missy lying lifeless at the bottom of the lobster tank. Joan's gloved hand is shown unlatching her purse and discreetly depositing the green Weirdo.
- Is the child's name "Missy" or "Mitzi"?
- I found the scene where the child leaves her mother to lure Joan over to the Weirdos vending machine very distyrbing , almost psycho-sexual.
Mitzi : I want Joan.
Mother ...I Know what your after
- I love Joan using two hands to tightly grasp and twist the knob of the Weirdos vending machine, just like she did when she attempted to strangle that slutty sass-mouthed daughter of hers.
- [quote]I just noticed that the entrance shown in the (unnecessary) P.O.V. shot as they are entering the supermarket does not in any way match the reverse shot of the entrance with Joan talking about Spanish dinner.
Thank you! I noticed that too.
- Why are you people making me watch this thing 100 times?
- I love how [bold]THE FOOD INDUSTRY[/bold] was presented as an actual entity on the order of the Pepsi-Cola Company.
- Why is Joan speaking in such an affected manner? The over-pronunciation of the words gazpacho, paella, tomatoes and sow-sage are hilarious. I thought she grew up poor white trash?
- She did grow up poor white trash r236, and that's exactly why she is being pretentious and trying to class it up. See the thread about J-lo's rider demands, the trashier you are the more you try and prove yourself.
- I wonder if there were any tender moments with her adopted kids? Reading them a storybook, etc. Or was it just nannies and photo ops?
Maybe she could never forgive them for not being perfect?
- ^ I think she was better with the younger daughters, Cathy and Cindy, than she was with Christina and Christopher.
- R236 That affected theatrical speech was considered proper and classy back then...listen to Arlene Francis, Betty Furness, Kitty Carlisle, Joan Fontaine...
- Now i want a red weirdo.
Sounds like a sex trick, doesn't it?
I beat the Duchess of Windsor could throw a mean red weirdo!
- This is a clip of Joan's very first live appearance on network TV, in 1957, as the Mystery Guest on What's My Line?
Watch it through to the end. I won't give anything away but there's enough here to comment on to warrant a whole new thread.
I think it's a great contrast to Joan putting on airs at the supermarket 12 years later.
The WML? Troll, at it again
- [quote]That affected theatrical speech was considered proper and classy back then...listen to Arlene Francis, Betty Furness, Kitty Carlisle, Joan Fontaine...
- R217: why didn't Joan inform Missy/Mitzi of this beforehand? She proclaimed loudly she wanted a red weirdo in the parking lot.
The Weirdo plot line runs counter to the argument that the supermarket contains an abundance of items. As pointed out above, Joan is shopping for a recipe that needs 400 ingredients; Misszti "shops" for the opportunity of owning a red weirdo, but the store only has green weirdos. (Of course, we do not know where she got the blue weirdo.)
The weirdo plot line is to demonstrate that the supermarket will obtain complete control over our shopping. The supermarket gives and takes at whim.
- The Weirdo Machine was owned by Folz Vending, which was bought out a few years ago by Coinstar. Wonder if a "Bring Back Weirdos" petition is in order here.
- A red Weirdo recently sold at Sotheby's for $1.2 million.
- Is there a recent photo of Miss Mitzi?
I wonder if the actress playing the Mother is still living?
- This masterpiece reminds me of the transition from when my mom used to take me shopping "downtown". We'd go to the butcher shop, bakery, florist, etc.. Milk and eggs were delivered to our front door on certain days. We had a Ford wagon and sometimes mom did wear white gloves.
Then the Safeway and shopping center opened. And thus Big Agribiz was born. I remember stomping on the mat to make the automatic door open. My mom said the door had "an electric eye". But I had such better manners than that little Mitzi brat.
- Watching it for the umpteenth time and just noticed that the 'rubbery, plastic little monster thing that's in the vending machine' is spelled w-IE-rdo and not w-EI-rdo. Must have been a copyright thing. I looked it up all day online trying to find one. I really want a red weirdo!
I love the mother and the way she says 'No' to Missy Mitzi. And I still can't get over the fact that Joan drives a station wagon.
- Stop the car!
- Joan needed Porcelana, thus the gloves. You get a glimpse of her wrist when she's gliding her finger along the spices and it's not pretty.
- R221 THE FOOD INDUSTRY is god.
- "Come here, baby," I whisper-moan.
(dick hard as a rock and straight up from my groin)
"How'd you like to give me a red weirdo? I can go all night long if you do!"
(an amazing red weirdo commences)
- But we never really saw Joan drive the wagon....just the three getting out of the wagon...
- R242 couldn't get your link to open...so I'll try
- The "mother" would only be about 70-75 now. I guess "Mitzi" would be about 50-55.
- That was probably the first and only time Joan Crawford was in a Supermarket. I'm sure Lucille LaSueur shopped like a normal person, but not Joan!
- Miss Crawford in What's My Line? 1957
- R255, I love how at the beginning she wrote her name too big on the chalkboard that she ran out of room for the O, R, and D. haha
- Joan on WML with "The Twins", the two adopted children she didn't beat like a gong.
Note the twins have white gloves ....
- Thank you r255 and r258!
I couldn't imagine why no one was responding to my fabulous clip.
Now, if you have the time, would either of you mind going over to the Debbie Reynolds thread and reposting a proper link for my WML? post over there?
The WML? Troll
- I LOVE the way Joan says the line: "Did she say Weirdoooooooo???"
- R260 All women wore gloves in those days. The other day my grandmother (shes 71) was telling me how every Friday, she would battle with a hundred other women at a shop in Journal Square to get their weeks supply of stockings and gloves.
- I think the "mother" is the same actress who played the next-door neighbor in Baby Jane.
- I will make some paella IF I can find some spanish sow-sage.
Joan, gracious hostess
- [quote]Now, if you have the time, would either of you mind going over to the Debbie Reynolds thread and reposting a proper link for my WML? post over there?
Done. I love the old What's My Line? clips too. Watched that show when I was a kid. Some great memories generated by all those clips. I wish I could find the clip of my late friend actress Jill Haworth when she was on Password!
- I took three Red Weirdos at Lilith Fair in 1999, and I woke up a week later with a tattoo of Lisa Loeb's glasses on my ass.
- bump for brown weirdos
- In the WML clip with the twins, Joey Bishop looked like had cocksucking lips....
- [quote]...listen to Arlene Francis, Betty Furness, Kitty Carlisle, Joan Fontaine...
- Nevah television!
- The heart of Joan...
- Miss Joan Crawford on another What's My Line? appearance.
- Joan's weirdo is different. It feels hard and she always hides it in her drawer.
- What does Joan's hard red weirdo look like, r274?
Or is it another color?
- It's black ... and ribbed.
- Lies and slander, R274. She kept it in the medicine cabinet.
[quote]Her rivalry with the sexually voracious Joan Crawford caused increasing tension at MGM. "I ended up loathing Joan," says Page. "For one thing she tried to hit on me several times. Let me tell you, when my mother saw the sex aids in various shapes and colours that Joan kept in her medicine cabinet, she refused my ever seeing Joan again - apart from on a film set."
- Working mum.
- What was Joan's pathetic tactic there in the 1957 WML clip denying she was a movie star?
Talk about passive aggressive.
I love when they mistook her for Mary PIckford!
- I love the subtle hint of nastiness that comes through in Joan's line reading of "Where do you THINK meat comes from?" I bet Christina knew that tone well, and knew enough to get out of Mommie's way when she used it, since it could mean an explosion was coming.
Although in Joan's defense, I do think Mitzi is pretty stupid. When I was her age, I certainly knew that milk came from cows. And I didn't grow up on a farm or anything - I thought that was sort of a basic fact that children learn when they're learning about animals.
- [quote]Although in Joan's defense, I do think Mitzi is pretty stupid. When I was her age, I certainly knew that milk came from cows. And I didn't grow up on a farm or anything - I thought that was sort of a basic fact that children learn when they're learning about animals.
This whole thing is very scripted. I think the point is to show supermarkets are the way of the future and that children today take it for granted that things just come from the supermarket.
- Again, is it Missy or Mitzi??
Lucy and Jessie
- Missy is more period appropriate but I've just started calling her Missy Mitzi.
- Lucy is juicy
But terribly drab.
Jessie is dressy
But cold as a slab.
- The mother says "Come on missy!", not "Mitzi"
- Joan could probably eat the whole lobster, shell and all.
- One wonders if Missy/Mitzi is still around. Her brother posted the video in the first place.
She MUST be interviewed about this.
- R287 She's probably still in intensive therapy.
- I treated her to a beautiful Spanish dinner and all I got was smart-alek backtalk.
- r263, you mean these women bought brand new gloves and stockings every week?! Did they dispose of them and buy a week's worth EVER DAMN WEEK?!!!!
- Joan repurposed her gloves by having Christina wear them while scrubbing floors with Old Dutch Cleanser.
- Regarding the earlier WML clip in this thread:
I think it's ironic and hilarious that Joan is a celebrity spokesperson for the international adoption agency W.A.I.F.
I bet she hauled out Christina to attest to her WONDERFUL parenting skills as an adoptive mother.
- I'm guessing that Missy was 5 when this was filmed, so that would make her 49 today.
I'd say the actress playing the "mother" was 28, so she'd be 72 today.
- Do you think Missy ever found out where she came from?
Veda: You've never spoken of your people, where you came from, so perhaps it's natural.
- Sorry R293. Both Missy and the Mom were killed shortly after the filming, by Joan's own hands.
- Ironically by 1980 when supermarkets became a "hundred million dollar business" Joan had already gone to that "big cupboard in the sky".
God, I hope Heaven was freshly cleaned when she arrived and her wings weren't handed to her on a wire hangar.
- I wonder how much money it would take to produce a remake of "The Big Rock Candy Mountain" starring Faye Dunaway as Joan, Gwyneth Paltrow as the self absorbed child neglecting mother, and a bright new child star as 'Missy/Mitzi"?
- And Misty, stay OUT of my medicine cabinet!
- Gentlemen, I really think we are all taking this little 4 minute thing far too seriously. You can't be here and also on the DataLounge Mystery Theatre thread at the same time. This is done, girls, now go over there and be creative.
- "Gentlemen, I really think we are all taking this little 4 minute thing far too seriously."
Sorry, r300, but I think all the levels, layers, and insights into the human condition of THE BIG ROCK CANDY MOUNTAIN have gone over your head. I would suggest another twelve or thirteen viewings, and then maybe you'll start to get it.
- I still need help understanding what the title has to do with the content of the film.
- Because r302, as stated earlier in the thread, Big Rock Candy Mountain is a mythical place that songs are written about (or a song) where you can get whatever you desire, a whiskey river and candy cigarettes, etc. A supermarket is like a BRCM, you can get whatever you want there, paella fixin's, sausage, a mouthy kid to squire around, and weirdos, weirdos for everyone!
- I just want to say that I've become literally obsessed with Joan after watching the supermarket video, and then watching others, and then reading anything I could about her.
She was such a character, and so beautiful when she was young. Here's a funny story that I haven't seen posted on any threads about her:
One afternoon, Russian actor Ivan Lebedeff paid a call on Miss Crawford and was invited into her stage dressing room. In ten minutes Ivan came pelting out, white of face. As I happened to be close by and knew him, he rushed over to me. In shock, he blurted out, 'Poor Joan! She's just told me that after her tragic life with men, she can no longer find sexual satisfaction unless she is tied to a bedpost and whipped!' He staggered away, hands against his ashen face. I could only chuckle. I had read the same chapter in Psychopathia Sexualis, too! Joan's imagination was on the dramatic side...and she obviously was an inspired conversationalist.
- [quote]I wonder how much money it would take to produce a remake of "The Big Rock Candy Mountain" starring Faye Dunaway as Joan, Gwyneth Paltrow as the self absorbed child neglecting mother, and a bright new child star as 'Missy/Mitzi"?
Gwyneth: "Make sure to buy the paleo sausage, Joan. It's the only kind me and my niggas eat."
Missy: "Wad's pay-oh sau-sad?"
Joan: "WHY CAN'T YOU ASK ME ABOUT POSITIVE THINGS. LIKE THAT MOVIE I DID WITH BRANDO, IN WHICH I WAS EXCELLENT."
- "You think everything comes from the sewerpermarket?"
Her pronunciation is quite the Freudian slip. She perhaps deemed the supermarket as unfit to accommodate her movie star persona, regarding it as synonymous with the stench and sweat of life and the everyman... and yet... if you knew Joan Crawford's actual birth name, they were really one and the same.
- [quote]"You think everything comes from the sewerpermarket?"
It's not a Freudian slip at all. "supermarket" would've been pronounced "syooparmaket" in the way that Joan did pronounce it by all whom were classy enough to put on an affected, Transatlantic accent like Joan is doing here.
Note how she also pronounces "sausage" as "sawwwsahge".
- I can only imagine the poor cook who actually had to prepare the Spanish meal.
Cook: Why aren't you eating, Miss Crawford?
Joan: (on her eighth vodka-rocks) you forgot to buy the goddamn almonds for the paella!
Cook: But, Miss Crawford, YOU did the shopping.
Joan: (throwing the food in the cook's face) Cleeeeeaaaannnn it uuup, you lyyyying, stuuuuupid Mexican whooooooooore !
- R308, it was probably her German maid who she called Mamacita. She talks about her in that book she wrote in the 60s (can't recall the name, even though I have it).
I love this film and sorry, R300 but I'd rather talk about Joan at the supermarket than the DL mystery novel.
I keep giggling about R15's post because I can visual it so clearly.
- T1:30 the little girl says "I HATE FISH!"
Mitzie is Mrs. Patrick Campbell!
- And, of course, R305, Faye-as-Joan would have to stop by the seafood counter and bellow:
WHAT IS THE FISH OF THE DAY? [BOLD]WHAT[/BOLD] IS THE FISH OF THE DAY?
- [quote]I love how we are all dissecting this little innocuous film with questions and theories as if it is the Rosetta Stone-like time capsule that holds the answers and solutions to all things gay and camp.
I think R193 post is the funniest one here. I laugh everytime I read it.. and yes I've watched this several times. Somehow I missed the Pepsi placement while Joan is telling Mitzi/Missy that she needs to get lots of things... lobster, onion, peppers, to MAH toes.
- In the supermarket, Joan's diction is clipped and precise. By the time she got around to doing the sloppy voice-over, she was at the bottom of the Smirnoff bottle...
- Little Missy tells Joan ....."your lady parts smell just like that lobster, Joan"
- R290 Sorry for the delay getting back. I know it sounds crazy and I asked her the same thing. With the stockings, if you got more than two days out of them without a run you were lucky. And as soon as they got a run, they were garbage. As for the gloves. She described them as being a light weight cotton knit and by the end of the week they would look kind of ratty.
- So I was checking the menu offerings at our commissary today, and.....
[quote] Spanish Style Sausage & Chorizo Pizza
- I want to know what happened to the actress who played the mother? I love the way she says, "NO!" like she's scolding a puppy who just peed on the carpet. Even Joan seems taken aback by her bitchiness.
When Joan is at the checkout, you can see that she purchased bags of Fritos and Cheetos. Do you think Joan enjoyed a nice bag of Cheetos every now and then? Wouldn't they leave orange stains on her white gloves?
- [quote] When Joan is at the checkout, you can see that she purchased bags of Fritos and Cheetos. Do you think Joan enjoyed a nice bag of Cheetos every now and then? Wouldn't they leave orange stains on her white gloves?
Frito-Lay was owned by Pepsico. Unless they mixed with Smirnoff, I doubt Joan indulged, but I'm sure she kept a few dozen bags on hand to serve to guests, and to use when making her delicious Frito Pie.
- R317, if the mother didn't, you'd say she was an indulgent parent, right?
- That film is like crack.
I had a bad day and have watched it several times to lose myself in it.
I wish Joan's pondersome voice-over were longer and actually represented her stream-of-consciousness.
What was she really thinking while standing in the check-out lane?
Was she thinking that BRCM would revive her career?
Was she imagining the cocktails that awaited her at home?
Was she trying to convince herself about how well she did replacing her daughter Christina on "Search for Tomorrow"?
The possibilities are endless.
Lost in a Joan Crawford haze
- Maybe she was re-playing in her mind the time when the "bastards" at Pepsi tried to "retire" her from the board of directors?
"Pepsi would be nowhere without me", maybe she was telling herself?
- "I wonder which weirdo I will select out of my medicine cabinet tonight ..."
Joan, pondering the little things
- For me, the clip is not *at all* about Joan, but about the time capsule.
- But, 323, if it had been Karen Black in the supermarket would we be discussing it to such an extent?
I think not.
- Did you notice the Monkees vending machine next to the Weirdo machine? I wonder what little trinket you got from the Monkees machine?
- Is Karen Black allowed in supermarkets?
- Actually, Karen Black at a supermarket would be quite entertaining.
- A Davie Jones keychain, R325 . And, if you were lucky, a letter promising you a date to the prom.
That last one was my idea.
- Remember how much fun going to the supermarket was when you were little? It was a magical and delightful place. Just the cereal aisle alone would send me into a state of rapture.
- I always find it so sad looking at 30's era Joan and then this. It's hard to reconcile the stunning beauty of the 30's with the hard, brittle features of the 60's.
- *I* would have been, R324, maybe not you.
- I remember that supermarkets of that era often had products without a safety seal.
Many were the times that I would open a tub of "Parkay", stick my finger into it, lick it up, and then replace the cover.
Ah, the good old days.
child of the '70s
- At the checkout it says "One Way Bottles" on the Pepsi packaging. What does that mean?
- No deposit, no return!
- I believe that "one-way bottles" meant that one did not have to pay a bottle deposit with the expectation of having to return them for recyling purposes.
- R335 Sort of. But not "recycling" as we think of it now. Beer and soft drinks came in returnable bottles that were cleaned and refilled.
- [quote]I believe that "one-way bottles" meant that one did not have to pay a bottle deposit with the expectation of having to return them for recyling purposes.
[quote]Sort of. But not "recycling" as we think of it now. Beer and soft drinks came in returnable bottles that were cleaned and refilled.
I'm sure Joan would have preferred the latter.
"I'm not mad at you, I'm mad at the backwash!"
- Speaking of a time capsule, a commercial from 1970. Burger Chef
Remember when people use to smoke in supermarkets?
- I love you R320
"green like the grass...... like the trees...
like Frankenstein's monster!"
- At the 1:37 mark is a Burger Chef commercial from 1977. It features an older lady who became famous for the Purina Cat Chow take-off on the cha-cha with the dancing cat.
- Remember when supermarkets gave out Green Stamps? They also had dishware that you got if you spent a certain amount of money. I can't remember if you had to pay a small fee for the dishes, or if they were free with purchase?
- Mildred Pierce is on TCM right now. There is probably an old thread but I figured people in here are real Joan fanatics.
- She's over-rated in that movie, R342 . So common.
- [quote]I always find it so sad looking at 30's era Joan and then this. It's hard to reconcile the stunning beauty of the 30's with the hard, brittle features of the 60's.
I think we have just become accustomed to actresses staying unnaturally youthful into their fifties and sixties today. And of course there is a stark contrast between Joan in the 30's and Joan in the 60's, but that's aging for you. All in all, I don't think she aged that terribly.
- Wasn't Ann Blyth the only female who got along with Joan?
- No r345
- I remember DUZ detergent had towels in the box (they probably displaced enough detergent that was worth more than the crappy towels.) And I remember buying some kind of dry dog food that included a free piece of plastic (human) dinnerware.
- One last story:
[quote]In Shaun Considine's 1989 book Bette and Joan: The Divine Feud, Fonda is quoted from his bio My Life as having received another gift from Joan: a sequined jockstrap---which she subsequently invited him to model. Said Fonda: "I was carrying her up the stairs for a scene we were filming. When she whispered the invitation, I nearly dropped her." No word on whether he accepted.
Joan was a hoot.
- Looking at it again, I noticed some things:
1. The mother is quite bitchy.
2. Notice the expression on Joan's face when little Special Ed Missy says she wants to go with Joan.
3. "Where do you think meat comes from, you dumb little bitch."
"From the supermarket you old cow."
"My God!" *SLAP* "Do you go to an institution of learning or a teenage brothel."
- Misty pulled Joan so hard she could have caused her to fall over be hurt.
- But at some point Joan had to be strong enough to pick the little girl up and sit her in the basket.
- I love how so many of us are viewing the film as pure cinema verite.
Joan didn't pick up Missy; one of the crew put Missy in the carriage. Joan and Missy also must have had at least some pre-scripted dialogue to work with.
Yet, on the other hand, I do believe that Missy worked Joan's last nerve and ended up strangled under a blanket in the backseat of the station wagon.
So, I guess it's a wash.
- "Green, like the grass...which is what I was smoking when I agreed to do this."
- R333, the one-way bottles of which you speak, well....how can I explain this. They are very similar to butt plugs of the 80s.
- R322, yes you are correct--no food safety seals back then until the Tylenol scare of the 80s.
When we were kids (and college students) we'd go down the jelly and jam aisle, opening up and sampling each product with a dirty index finger.
Blueberry, nah. Strawberry, nah. Peach, nah. Boisenberry, yeahhhhh!
- r355, I can't believe you missed a perfect opportunity for a "Rhubarb? Oh, no! Not rhubarb" joke.
- Question about the opening music, in which the instruments don't seem to be in tune with each other, giving it an eerily discordant quality:
Is that because of deterioration of the soundtrack on the film over the years, or was it meant to be that way?
- lol at r356. Someone has watched this a few times..
- R340 Also featuring noted vegetarian James Cromwell ("Babe").
- To R217 and R244:
I also thought the machine said "CRAZY GREEN WIERDO" but now that I'm watching it on the iPad screen, I see that it says "CRAZY CREEPY WIERDO"
- When she asks, "Where do you think milk comes from?" I get reeeeeeally nervous because she seems like things are possibly going to deteriorate quickly.
- Here's the remainder of the "shopping spree" promotion spot that follows Big Rock Candy Mountain.
I'm not quite old enough to remember the cork-lined bottle caps.
- When Missy/Mitzi answers Joans' question about where meat comes from with "from the supermarket" and then repeats the same line for the following question, to me it sounds and looks IDENTICAL each time, , like they have to loop it in editing.
I wonder how many times the little dullard flubbed her lines and finally Joan said "fuck it...just dub in the one good reading she had in her...I'll carry the rest of the scene myself...just like I always did with Bette."
- I wonder if Joan drove the station wagon herself, we never see her behind the wheel, just exiting the drivers' side.
Although judging by the complete absence of any other cars remotely near where she parked, perhaps she did drive and the directors weren't taking any chances that Joan had a few vodka rocks on the way over, by testing her depth perception by sliding into a spot with expensive cars on either side.
- Joan didn't even put her meat in the little plastic bags..too bad because it would have been fun to see the gloved drunkard trying to open those fucking things. There will be hell to pay when the blood leaks everywhere. I can't believe I watched this again though I did wait until everyone was asleep so they can't see me critiquing a grocery store ad.
- Someone should post celebrities in grocery stores on a different thread. We could have Joan, Mary Tyler Moore, Katharine Ross/Tina Louise...
- Don't forget Heath Ledger !
- I wish I had the tech-savvy to superimpose Bette Davis over Joan, with the same dialogue but with Bettes' voice and mannerisms....LMAO!
"Ga-reen ! Like the ga-rass, like the tris, like Frahnk'n'stines mahnstah ..."
- I want a version with Ann Miller!
- The cashier at the end looks like Ugly Betty, plus they placed the most haggard looking old frump of a crone to stay behind Joan in line at the check-out. Joan looks youthful and radiant by comparison.
- [quote]Joan didn't pick up Missy; one of the crew put Missy in the carriage. Joan and Missy also must have had at least some pre-scripted dialogue to work with.
I'm pretty sure it was entirely scripted.
No one here thinks this was a documentary, dear.
- I agree about the music R357. To me, it's the electric guitar that sounds harsh. And why don't they use the actual song, "Big Rock Candy Mountain?"
Notice Joan's switch of the pocketbook from one arm to the other to make Missy's hand pull work in the subsequent shot.
Joan writes about her hat collection in MY WAY OF LIFE, describing wearing a hat as a great alternative to a few hours spent in the hairdresser's chair, and briefly bemoaning that a lot of younger women don't really wear them. Though certainly she understood better than anyone that film was forever...believe it or not, I think her outfit is supposed to make her look everyday. If you know Joan's costumes (that's what she called them) for public appearances from this era, she's actually dressed DOWN.
And while we're at it, was it the style to wear a dress with no waist/no belt, as Joan does in the film? I love the subtle coordination of colors and patterns: the hat, earrings, and gloves are all solids; the dress is small polka dots and the bag is striped. Also, Joan's dress is hemmed below the knee and the mom's is above.
There's a weird shot for a moment though when Joan's pushing the cart and her matronly (though still firmly upright) bosom is dangerously close to Missy's head.
Is Missy looking at the camera for a brief second when she's in the cart and the shot changes at 1:53?
Interesting that is spite of her star billing, they present Joan as an everyday woman who has to go to the supermarket and stand in what appears to be a long line like everyone else--that no one in the supermarket is like, "See that girl over there? She used to be Joan Crawford." (Someone actually said that in earshot of Joan later in her life.)
She really is an actress of incomparable technique. She picks up, considers, and puts down 4 packages of meat--and there's a brief moment of intensity in her search, from the initial grab to finally settling on her quarry which is the hidden package underneath. Then notice how she effortlessly and naturally tosses the package of Spanish sausage so that when it lands in the cart, the sound "buttons" her line about cows and pigs. Any number of less skilled actresses would have picked up and considered fewer packages, and then thrown the package in the cart as they were saying the line and not cared about the sound.
Missy definitely says "the supermarket" in two different readings--she blinks during the first one.
Joan does sound a little exasperated/over it, beyond just acting her role, with "Let's carry on," especially when compared to the dulcet tones of the VO that immediately follows.
Also, I wonder: if any DL-ers had been in the market at the time, would they have hated on Joan? After all, she is an older lady standing in the supermarket line daydreaming and giving us nice profile shots instead of opening her purse and getting her money ready as the cashier is ringing her up.
And the young girl cashier we see in her own shot from the front at 3:22 is not the heavyset short haired lady who we see from the back ringing Joan up at 2:42 and whipping the bag open.
I wish someone could find an excellent print of this film, or restore it. I'd love to see the detail of the mom and Joan's reflections in the supermarket door at the beginning.
- Maybe we can create a new thread about other commercials so we can keep this one weirdo pure.
- What was Joan's subtext/backstory for "...IF I can find all the ingredients"? Was this supermarket newly opened, so Joan was unfamiliar with their inventory? Or was this Joan's first time making GAZ-pacho and paella, thus it was her first time shopping for these specific ingredients? Or maybe Joan had just been forced to make cutbacks in her household staff ("I've had to let Helga go..."), and with the cook or maid who used to do the food shopping gone, Joan was plunging into the world of the supermarket for the first time? That might explain the breathless wonder of her voiceover thoughts on the checkout line.
- [quote]And why don't they use the actual song, "Big Rock Candy Mountain?"
Because it's a folk song and only smelly, unwashed hippies and lazy, dope-taking beatniks sing folk songs!! Miss Crawford is a STAR of the FIRST MAGNITUDE! Do you think she ought to be associated with smelly, unwashed hippies and lazy, dope-taking beatniks? Do you? DO YOU??!!
- I HATE FISH
- OMG, r372, you've taken a childlike interest in this thing into something deeply pathological.
Will you marry me?
- Someone should make a film about Mrs. oh-PAL Miller, the winner of the 1964 Pepsi shopping spree. How did their lives change after winning over $6,000 worth of groceries? Where did they put all that meat? How did the neighbors treat them after their rocket to fame on all the magazines and wire services?
I'm thinking Mare Winningham as oh-PAL, and Emilio Estevez as Mr. Miller.
- Or Honey Boo Boo, R298.
- Do we know if the supermarket this was filmed in is still standing? Where was it located? If it's still there, I think we should plan an annual pilgrimage to pay homage to Joan and Missy. I'll dress up as Joan, complete with hat and gloves, and one of you can dress up as Missy and ride in the cart. We can re-enact the entire video. It would be tragic, though, if there were no Weirdo machine.
- I think those guys (Punchy Players) who do the Judy, Liza, Ann Miller parodies should do one about this film
- "And while we're at it, was it the style to wear a dress with no waist/no belt, as Joan does in the film?"
Oh yes, it was the height of fashion in the mid-sixties. Or rather, mini dresses with an undefined waist were the height of fashion, not that a mature woman would wear a miniskirt to the supermarket. At least not when she was making a film for square businessmen.
Crawford might have still had the legs to wear minis, be grateful she was too classy to go for it.
- I found a site that lists all the old Grand Union Supermarkets, I assumed that this film was a Hollywood productiion, but most Grand Union locations are un the Northeast.
Since Joan lived un NYC, and most films are produced out of NYC on the east coast, must be uin gthe greater trei-Statearea.....any local DLers recognize the location?
- Wow, R383, that's some detective work. You're well on your way to making R380's pilgrimage fantasy come true!!!
- Em pretty sure if this supermarket still exists it has been totally remodeled beyond recognition. Also, my experience has been Grand Union, being one of the oldest chains, were built in neighborhoods that now pretty much decayed into suburban blight.
- I can't find a picture of the "weirdos". But they were mad by a company called "Folz".
- It seems this video was a hit elsewhere too. The forum is weird though. The original post is at the bottom of the page and you have to scroll up, going from page 7 to page 1.
- Thanks for that, r387. I truly appreciate DL after reading some of those dry and unfunny comments there!
- Joans' final film has generated quite a few forums discussions , but R388, none of the others have quite the panache of DL, or the indepth cinematographic interpretions of DL.
This one from Stargayzing.com has some nice stills though...note how Joan has left the window down in the stationwagon, no fear of it being stolen back in 1969.
- Actually, the comments on R387 aren't at all funny. The ones here on DL are funnier, R388.
- That's exactly what R388 said, R390.
- R389's comment didn't appear until after I saved mine, R391. Note the time stamp.
- Another piece of evidence that this film was been made in the NY area is the trace of a NY accent little Missy displays when she says "supahmawrkit."
- Going by the license plate alone, I'm going to guess NJ. NY plates in 1969 were dark blue background with gold letters/numbers . NJ was buff background with black letters/numbers.
- Can anyone make out what state the license plate on the car
- Joan Crawford in BIG ROCK CANDY MOUNTAIN, the 'Holy Grail' of cinéma vérité.
- I asked the meat dept butcher today if he had any spanish sow-sage. I told him it was
'meat in a casing, like hot dogs, only spanish.'
He looked at me like I was crazy.
kcguy, at the yucky Westport Sunfresh *Super*Market
- "Oh yes, it was the height of fashion in the mid-sixties."
R382, the dress was called a shift, and I wore them as a 15 year old. I remember some DL ignoramous fashion expert calling it a "sack." Like they would be able to sell a dress style with a name like that. LOL.
- Oh, yeah, and they didn't have to be minis, and could be worn by all ages.
- R398, "Sack dresses" were introduced by Balenciaga in the 1950s. Although they were a fashion Edsel, both the look and the term were well-known.
- That is the most horrible film I've ever seen. The annoying "music," the way the photographer shoots into the sun, but you will note Miss Crawford was shot well, so I guess they just tacked on some stock footage for the parking lot scenes. I remember the car and the model, a 1969 Ford LTD wagon. They were everywhere back then. There was a Grand Union in my town. This could be anywhere. The plates DO look like NJ. Car could be a rental though. There was a Grand Union in Greenwich, CT. Might've been up there.
- In the 1960s - and that's what we're talking about - it was the shift, r400. Perhaps the "sack" laid an egg because of the ridiculous name? And, no, it was not well-known in the 1960s.
- R401, there were Grand Unions all over the place. One on Central Avenue next to Korvettes in Yonkers too.
- Joan is werqing a beltless look because she is serving up some girdle-defying waistline bulge realness.
- I can't remember where the Grand Union was in my town. There was an A&P close by so we went there. They're long gone too. Hills Supermarket was another one. Long gone. I got my first job there. But yeah, there were hundreds of them everywhere. Now everything is Wal-Mart-sized Stop n Shops.
- There should have been a whole series of these short films with Joan.
"Joan goes to the dentist with my brother"- Big Rock Candy Tooth Decay (brought to you by the ADA)
"Joan goes to the dry cleaners with my aunt"
("Wire hangers! Like the world gone mad! Like the welts on Christina's legs! Like an unforgivable monstrosity!)
"Joan goes to the powder room with my mother"
("I'll teach you how to flush a toilet like a lady. And don't overtip the attendant; she must know her place.")
Pepsi drinkers would have had to send in three proof-of-purchases from cases of Pepsi and a perfectly hand-written essay, "Why I want to spent a day with Joan Crawford".
Pepsi could have out-sold Coca-Cola.
- LOL with R398, although to be honest, shift doesn't sound much better.
- [quote]I'll teach you how to flush a toilet like a lady.
Thank you R406. Just before I made myself this here Bacardi and coke, I was thinking I should Windex my screen. You made a necessity.
- Keep talking, boys. It's almost as good as the real heaven!
Yep, I made it to heaven. Turns out that even God hates wire hangers.
Well, carry on. I'm having cocktails with Jesus and trying to get a gig as a saint.
Also pondering a lecture series, "My Way of Death"
- It's GREEN!!!!
- [quote]I'll teach you how to flush a toilet like a lady.
First of all a true lady would NEVER deign to do anything in a public toilet requiring flushing, that bould alert attention to her unladylike bowel movemnets.
Instead a true Lady always carries a supp0lyt of small plastic satchels in her purse to deposit the contents of her above mentioned indiscretion, thus eliminating any mortifiy splashes or , and will help muffle any , God forbid, unladylike sounds .
This tightly sealed satchel ( I recommend keeping some small lengths of ribbons in your purse as well ) may then be discretely deposited into the waste receptacle, or if the Ladysroom Attendant is particularly intrusive and displeasing, you may nonchalantly deposit the satchel into her tip jar as you exit.
- A lady never poops.
- [quote]"Joan goes to the powder room with my mother" ("I'll teach you how to flush a toilet like a lady".
That's not why Joan goes to the powder room with your mother, dear innocent Mitzy.
- Sorry for the typos fellas, after a few vodka rocks my sixth grade education starts to show .
- She's so drunk in the voice-over at the end, I'm never sure if she's going to spit the next word out.
- I know, R415. It cracks me up every time I watch it. "When I wazzz a little gurrrl, we usta say Goddd..."
- This made me laugh out loud:
Also, I wonder: if any DL-ers had been in the market at the time, would they have hated on Joan? After all, she is an older lady standing in the supermarket line daydreaming and giving us nice profile shots instead of opening her purse and getting her money ready as the cashier is ringing her up.
- Yes, I love the distinct difference between her phony accent in the [italic]syoopahmahket[/italic] and in the voice-over. She just know she had some Smirnoff to take the edge off her hangover.
- [quote]instead of opening her purse and getting her money ready as the cashier is ringing her up.
OMG I HATE THAT!!! And I'm sorry, I know its wrong, but it always seems like its women who do that. They sort of stare off into space and then when the cashier says the total, they snap back to it and seem surprised that they actually have to pay. And then they take forever fishing around their bag and giving the exact change, or worse, they break out the check book. A fucking check book! Who the hell even uses those anymore!?!?! As soon as the cashier starts scanning my stuff, I am at the terminal swiping my card and all set up to make a speedy exit.
- I hate that as well r419. I really do.
- I'm glad the check book thing doesn't happen anymore. Or does it?
- I love her Mountain Dew commercial. Joan makes it classy with a straw.
- Actually r421, I haven't seen anyone pull out a check book in a long time. The chain purse thing and looking for money is unfortunately a common thing.
- Thanks for that, R422. A Mountain Dew commercial and as a bonus, a public service announcement on the side bar with Joan talking about pap tests!!
- Was Joanie the GOOP of her day?
- [quote]Was Joanie the GOOP of her day?
- R421 I actually saw someone do it a few months ago, although it wasn't at a supermarket. They were kind of older, so I guess there are a few out there that are still hanging on to it.
- I remember when everyone wrote a check and then the cashier had to check your drivers license and she would write your license number on the check.
Watching this video, I had forgotten that before bar codes, cashiers had to manually enter the price of everything into the cash register. What a pain in the ass that must have been for the cashier.
- Wow R422, when did she do this? Was Mountain Dew a Pepsi product. Ugly feet. I gagged a little when she flexed her toes.
- Yes R429. A Pepsi product.
- The way the mother says 'no' to Missy shows why she and Joan got along so well.
And Joan's journey from the skepticism of 'If I can find the ingredients' to the awestruck slurring of her final narration is just as great as the one she took in THE DAMNED DON'T CRY.
- R429, it says right there the commercial is from 1969, the same year this "Big Rock Candy Moutain" video was released.
And, yes, Mountain Dew is produced and owned by PepsiCo.
- So basically the message of that Mountain Dew commercial is Mountain Dew makes you feel like a hillbilly.
- Always loved the taste of Mountain Dew, especially with vodka. Seriously ;)
But it is loaded with caffeine. haven't had one in years.
- In the replies under R422's video someone states that Christina publicly stated that much of her book was exaggerated, including the wire hangars-did I miss this?
- Ike Godsey feets alert @ R422!
- [quote]In the replies under [R422]'s video someone states that Christina publicly stated that much of her book was exaggerated, including the wire hangars-did I miss this?
No, Google it.
- [quote]So basically the message of that Mountain Dew commercial is Mountain Dew makes you feel like a hillbilly.
To be specific, it makes you feel like a hillbilly on crystal meth.
- [quote]it makes you feel like a hillbilly on crystal meth.
Is there any other kind of hillbilly?
- Can anyone make out what Missy/Mitzi says in the very first spoken line: "I wanna **** and a wierdo!"?
I love the tired, world-weariness Joan brings to: "Yes, Spanish dinnah. Gaspacho and paella...IF I can find all the ingredients."
- [quote] Can anyone make out what Missy/Mitzi says in the very first spoken line: "I wanna **** and a wierdo!"?
She says, "I want a jawbreaker, and a Weirdo."
- That's actually the second line, R441. The mother says something that sounds like "you stay near me" to Missy as they get out of the car. Missy wants a jawbreaker and a weirdo. It would be another ten years before small children would learn the peril of asking for a jawbreaker in the presence of Ms. Crawford.
- Thanks, r442 & 443 (good call).
- LOL R440
- Who are these two supposed to be? Joan's neighbors? Poor relations? Imagine the Joan Crawford Carpool on a bad day.
- Were Weirdos a real thing? I know Jawbreakers were and still are.
- Joan should have adlibbed this:
MISSY: It's green! I want a red one!
JOAN: A red weirdo. Reminds me of Louis B Mayer when I asked him to walk me to my car.
- R447, R386 identified them as being made by a company called Folz, so yes, it seems they are.
Of course the weirdos Joan kept in her medicine cabinet were of an entirely different variety.
- [quote]Of course the weirdos Joan kept in her medicine cabinet were of an entirely different variety.
What were they? A "love-making toy"?
- The video at R343 is good but I recommend searching for one called "Joan Crawford Flashdance" which is a montage of all her dancing set to the Flashdance theme.
If you want to laugh however, check out this Joan vs. Bette video by way of Marlene and Tallulah:
- [quote]What were they? A "love-making toy"?
Of a sort. Not to be seen by the Mitzis of this world but somehow Anita Page's mother stumbled upon them.
- Not to get too far down in the weeds, but I don't think Folz had anything to do with Weirdos other than stocking them in their vending machines. They appear to be a vending machine operator, not a manufacturer.
- Been searching for weirdos online ( nothing new right, fellas?)
No context just a pic of some guys rubber toy collection ( once again LOL) But is that black thing in the middle a Wierdo?
- Who ever heard of a black Wierdo?
- Lol at r455.
- Great video R451...If anyone ever asks what "camp" is, show 'em this.
- I vaguely remember some toy like a weirdo from the late '60s except I don't think they were called "weirdos," they were called something else.
They were fat, buddha-shaped, troll-like dealies made out of a clammy feeling soft plastic, like the plastic that fake fishing worms are made of.
Does this ring a bell with anyone?
- R451, I searched for Joan Crawford Flashdance and it's fabulous!
- Folz vending was actually in business until 2007, when one of the founding brothers sold it to Coinstar.
- I cant believe this thread has been up for two weeks and no one has taken it upon themselves to contact the person who posted it and said its their sister! Well I took the bull by the horns and did it myself. Who knows if I will get an answer, but if I do, you can be sure DL will be the first to know.
- What do you suppose it was about Miss Crawford that has dissecting a gum machine in an industrial video she did for Pepsi 45 years ago?
Legend? Star? Camp Parody? All of the Above?
- I was wondering if anyone did r461 and am happy to hear that it has happened. I'm excited and nervous for you! What will you wear? Do you think she will write soon? Maybe she will come here. I am looking forward to her response to you.
- R462 Speaking for myself, it's I have no life.
- Anything here?
- I dont know R463. Im excited and nervous and scared and confused all at once! To think that I may actually get a message from someone who knows someone who was in a shopping cart Joan Crawford pushed around! The emotions are just too overwhelming. I need a sedative!
- R461, I just sent the youtube uploader a message as well. Never thought to do it before , frankly I did not know youtube had that option.... sent it about 20 minutes ago, almost the same moment as you !
I even sent him ( or her ) a link to this thread and how great this video is and how much it's being discussed !
Only just now saw your post , and I am just as exciting and scared as you .... hold me ?
- Lol at r466. You are so cute. I would be the same way. This can open up a whole new thread at the very least. I bet the girl was pretty flattered that you wrote her and will love to talk about it. I would.
- [quote]I even sent him ( or her ) a link to this thread
NOOOOOO!!!!!! Some assholes here have said some mean things about her. She has been called a slut, a bitch, a cunt. We will never hear back from them. In fact, they may pull the video all together! Thanks R467. This is why we cant have nice things. We are doomed. DOOOOOOOMED!!!!!
- [quote]Some assholes here have said some mean things about her. She has been called a slut, a bitch, a cunt.
Don't worry, I think all those posts were signed "Joan". I don't think anyone would hold us responsible for what that old drunk writes.
- I agree r470. We will still be able to have nice things r469, you would have to be a pretty dedicated Joan hag to slog through this whole thread, admittedly I am, but I never had to go shopping with her..
- From your lips to gods ears R470. I dont think I could live with myself if DL is responsible for this cinematic gem disappearing. Its bad enough the final reel of Sadie Thompson is lost. Losing The Big Rock Candy Mountain would be criminal.
- You can download YouTube videos to your PC you know !
- I think I'm going to search for a recipe for paella and gazpacho and have a video-fest of Joan's worst movies !
- I wish Weirdos had been one of Oprah's "Favorite Things."
"YOU get a Weirdo, and YOU get a Weirdo, and YOU get a Weirdo!"
- LOL at R475
Its official. We have descended into madness. Sheer, unadulterated, Grade-A Madness.
- How many products can you identify (Besides Pepsi & Fritos)?
- I contacted the uploader several days ago.
No word yet.
- Oh so it seems like a few people have written the uploader aka "Missy's sibling". That person is probably wondering what the hell is going on and maybe is reading here. Hi Missy's sissy! Give us some dirt.
- Bump for more Joan love!!!!
- bump for spanish sow-sage
- R471 lol not a Joan hag. I probably know more about her than someone my age should, but not much more than the average person. I am sort of classic film freak, something I inherited from my dad. What I do love is really cheesy stuff like this film. Also, I am fascinated on how obscure things like BRCM suddenly get unearth and take off on a life on their own. Besides, this has to be one of the funniest threads here. Some of the posts are hysterical.
- Damn you, bumper at r483! I rushed back here thinking that one of our illustrious emailers had heard back from Missy/tzi! Yes, r482, this thread is a blast. We aren't hags in a bad way, just people who appreciate the works of Miss Crawford in whatever capacity. There are no small parts, only small actors.
- Turn the sound down and listen to it with Dark Side of the Moon. It will blow your mind.
- Speaking of Joan, do you bitches know about this?
MOMMIE DEAREST INC. IN ASSOCIATION WITH JERRY ROSENBERG TO PRESENT
SURVIVING MOMMIE DEAREST
BEST SELLING AUTHOR WHO SHOCKED THE WORLD WITH THE FIRST CELEBRITY
TELL-ALL WILL STAR IN AN INSPIRATIONAL NEW OFF-BROADWAY PRODUCTION
ABOUT SURVIVAL & HER TURBULENT RELATIONSHIP WITH
MOVIE LEGEND MOTHER JOAN CRAWFORD
MOTHER’S DAY WEEK
MAY 8th -12th
AT THE SNAPPLE THEATER CENTER
Mommie Dearest Inc. in association with Producer Jerry Rosenberg have announced dates for the New York premiere of SURVIVING MOMMIE DEAREST an empowering and inspirational new production starring Christina Crawford - actress, activist and author of the 1978 best-selling autobiographical book “Mommie Dearest.” The show features an award–winning bio-pic documentary covering 100 years of show-biz history and details the turbulent relationship between Christina and her movie legend mother, Joan Crawford. Complete with film clips and footage from forgotten 1940's home movies, SURVIVING MOMMIE DEAREST is slated for a limited run of 5 performances, during the week of Mother’s Day and will run off-Broadway at the Snapple Theater Center in Manhattan.
In addition to the Hollywood glitz and glamour of SURVIVING MOMMIE DEAREST, Ms. Crawford who wrote and narrates the documentary, recounts the abuse that she endured in her life, discusses her road to recovery, takes questions from the audience and closes the 90 minute show with a book signing. Also featured in the documentary is George Riddle, the star of Blood Country, which was recently awarded Best Film at the Toronto Film Festival. Music featured in the Documentary is by former American Idol David Hernandez.
Christina Crawford’s memoir, “Mommie Dearest” created a worldwide sensation and was published in seven foreign languages. Since then, she has written: Black Widow (a novel), Survivor, No Safe Place and Daughters of the Inquisition, in addition to publishing first the 20th Anniversary and then the 30th Anniversary Editions of “Mommie Dearest”, with updates and some revisions. The film of the same name was released in 1981 but without her participation in production or final approval. She has not received any royalty payments in the 30 years since the film was released.
Born in Hollywood, California and adopted by film star Joan Crawford, Christina Crawford was the focus of movie magazine photo shoots, press conference interviews and studio publicity. At ten years old she was sent to Chadwick School in Palos Verdes where she lived until she was fifteen and was transferred to Flintridge Sacred Heart in Pasadena from which she graduated at seventeen with honors. First to Carnegie Mellon in Pittsburgh as a Drama major and then to Neighborhood Playhouse in New York City, Ms. Crawford pursued her own acting career in theater. After an independent film in Miami, a small part with Elvis Presley in the film “Wild In The Country,” summer and winter stock performances, she did a co-starring role in the Chicago company of Barefoot In The Park for which she won the Sarah Siddons award for Best Young Actress. Ms. Crawford starred in the daytime soap opera “Secret Storm” in New York, in many nighttime TV shows in Los Angeles. After fourteen years as an actress, Christina returned to complete college, graduating Magna cum Laude from UCLA, and then a Masters Degree in Communication Management from the Annenberg School at University of California, after which she worked for the Getty Oil Company at their corporate headquarters. Since 1993, she has lived on over 100 acres in Northern Idaho where she initially owned a successful country inn, worked seven years as entertainment manager for the Coeur D’Alene Casino and produced her own regional weekly TV show that won three Telly Awards. She also served one term as County Commissioner. Christina is co-owner of the production “Surviving Mommie Dearest” which she wrote, co-directed and in which she currently stars.
- Wow, r486. If I ever doubted the veracity of Tina's stories before, I am now sure they were greatly exaggerated. What a bitch. Let it go, hun, it's been many years.
- You think you got it bad R484 with the false alarm bump? Imagine how I felt when I logged on to YouTube and saw there was a message for me. My heart leaped, "They wrote back! Mitzi's sibling!" At last, our quest is reaching its exciting climax. I felt like India Jones when he fell into the Well of Souls, minus all the snakes. But alas, it was some bullshit about YouTube and Google +. Fuck you, assholes. You got my hopes up only to dash them against the rocks like they were some unwanted baby.
Postings like R485 is whats making this thread an all time favorite of mine.
- Lol at r488. I'm sorry, that sounds like it was a heart racing moment. No doubt she will write back in a few weeks when we have all but written this off and you won't even be thinking of here when you open your email. Make sure she doesn't go into your spam though. You must be vigilant about this, we are all depending on you!
- I love how Christina is completely incapable of not playing the victim:
"She has not received any royalty payments in the 30 years since the film was released."
So are you trying to say the contract you signed when you sold the rights to the studio entitles you to royalty payments, and the studio has withheld them from you (which I'd think a lawsuit on your part would have cleared up decades ago)? Or were there no royalties specified in the contract, and you just think you should have been given some out of the goodness of the studio's heart?
No wonder Joan was driven to smacking this bitch!
- Ha ha r490. Sounds to me like Tina underestimated how much this movie would be loved by some (like us) and dumbly took a flat fee instead of a percentage and is now scrambling to get paid for the same old shit all over again, and if it's written to make is sound like she is altruistic, all the better. No wonder Joan left her out of the will, the girl clearly doesn't know how to handle money. I hope Missy/tzi got some money and not just an unspecified amount of Weirdos.
- [quote]when we have all but written this off
I will NEVER write this off! I will NEVER stop thinking about it. I'm like Mr Bernstein in Citizen Kane, forever thinking about the girl on the ferry in the white dress. The Big Rock Candy Mountain is my girl in the white dress. In fact, when I die, the last words that will part my lips will be, "who ever heard of a red Weirdo?"
- Lol at r492. Good for you! I will never write this off either, I back you on this. Some fickle fans may come and go from this thread but I won't be one of them.
- Christina didn't turn out so well, but I went to my grave knowing that I got it right with Mitzi.
- More laughing at r594. I love this thread and all the random comments it has spawned on other threads, like Joan commenting on how to steal saffron in the "Tips for Poor People" thread. I wonder if people there know what she's talking about. Any time I see mention of this in other threads I laugh my ass off.
- [quote] PS Does Mitzi get royalties from BRCM?
She received a year's supply of Weirdos n in lieu of payment. And a case of Turtle Wax as a lovely parting gift.
- I want to know why Missy's sister hasn't written back to r492 and the other person yet. She is the one who posted the fucking thing on youtube. She clearly knew it would be of high value to many people and that there would be questions to follow. You don't just let loose a gem like this and then lay low and and be mute. Is she fucking with us? If it were me, I would have come here from the initial email and read all the comments. I would then write back to r492 with a letter verifying everything we have said as being true (Joan drunk, bitchy, pretentious) just for fun and when the questions really came, I would then retreat and leave 'em wanting more.
- She probably is afraid to disclose the fact that Missy is still in daily intensive therapy.
- [quote]Turn the sound down and listen to it with Dark Side of the Moon. It will blow your mind.
Even better, turn the sound down and listen to it with The Flaming Lips song Do You Realize . The length of the song even equals the length of TBRCM.
- R497 It appears the original uploader of the video is connected to some television station. I'm not even sure if they are really a person or it was something a staff did. Its all so frustrating.
- Oh man r597...that sucks. But again, they had to know they would get an email about it so if they are any fun they will play along. We would never know the difference and we have a lot of entertainment value riding on this. I will cross my fingers. Oh and fun fact: March 27th is Paella Day according to a calendar my cousin got from a local business. I will now pretend that Paella Day is a nationally recognized holiday and that the timing of the video was no coincidence.
- Which one of you bitches is Steve?
- Perhaps R501, its best we dont know everything. The mystique would be ruined otherwise.
- We need to know facts!
- I agree with R503. BRCM still has many secrets. I like how oblique the script is. Missy and her mother can be anyone to Joan. And I like how we're left wondering IF she found all of the ingredients.
I wonder if what rhubarb is what Joan was forced to eat when she lived in the back of the cleaners.
- And I love her use of the liquid u when she says supermarket. Also, the more I watch, I realize how tipsy she was during that narration. I love it!
- A few details that haven't been discussed: In the parking lot Joan doesn't know what a Weirdo is but then later pretends to have some knowledge when she asks Mitzi "Whoever heard of a RED Weirdo?".
She also takes time to check for dust as she runs her finger along a shelf at 1:48. Ever the diligent housewife, that Joan!!!
- I prefer to think it is because "rhubarb" refers to the indistinct mutterings of extras in the background of a performance.
"Screen tests? ... No, not screen tests. Never screen tests."
- [quote]She also takes time to check for dust as she runs her finger along a shelf at 1:48. Ever the diligent housewife, that Joan!!!
"I'm not mad at Grand Union. I'm mad at the dirt."
Okay, I'm mad at Grand Union
- r507, even I could tell that Joan was bullshitting me!
- R492 and R493
like the grass, like the trees
like Frankenstein's monster!! I shall never
write this off either!!
- [quote]And I like how we're left wondering IF she found all of the ingredients.
That's the strangest thing (or one of the strangest things) about this video. It seems to be intended to convince us that the supermarket has everything we could possibly desire. Yet, there's Joan ("IF I can find all the ingredients"), not sounding the least bit hopeful.
- But thats the beauty of it R512. She comes in there doubtful she will get what she is looking for. By the end, she is so satisfied with what the supermarket offers, it becomes a religions moment for her. Not since her performance in Rain have we seen an actress undergo such a transformation.
- [quote]Not since her performance in Rain have we seen an actress undergo such a transformation.
- Didn't Joan grow up poor, and stewed rhubarb was fed to her often because there was nothing else? I thought I read that somewhere, she loathed it for that reason. My mother also had to eat a lot of it during the Depression era, her family was very poor. I think rhubarb plants come back every year without replanting and are very hardy. So, an economical meal. Bitter though, from what I hear.
- Oh you laugh R514, but I am serious*. In Rain, we meet Sadie Thompson, a disillusioned and cynical woman, unimpressed with the common joys life offers. In BRCM, Joan once again plays a cynical broad, certain she will be disappointed in what the supermarket offers, unimpressed with the joy that is represented by the green Weirdo. In Rain, Sadie meets Handsome, who shows her that life can be rewarding and the joy and love that has eluded for so long is suddenly there. In BRCM, Joan meets a lobster, and the look of ecstasy on her face as she stares in to that crustaceans beady eyes tells us instantly: she has found what she has been looking for. In Rain, Sadie undergoes a religious epiphany and the Sadie of old is gone. In BRCM, Joan has a religious experience while standing in the check-out aisle and the old, bitter woman is gone, replaced by one with a renewed confidence in what life and the supermarket provides.
Of course, Rain ends with a guy on the beach dead of a self inflicted slash to the throat, brought on by his feelings of failure. But least we forget, BRCM ends abruptly. I feel at this point, with the parallels so clear, it is reasonable to assume Missy, distraught in not being able to secure a red Weirdo, killed herself. In the final reel, Joan and the lobster are seen heading off to Australia where they will begin a new life, free of the stain of guilt and shame. The End.
* and by serious, I mean I am fucking delusional.
- I can't help but feel that there is a bit more of the film we haven't seen - the supermarket race feels like a tacked-on fragment from another film.
There has to be a concluding shot with a few more lines of dialogue ("Where's mommy, Joan?" "She's gone, Missy. And you're never going to see her again. And you'll never get a red Wierdo.")
Also, does anyone else find the fact that the color is faded and gone only adds to its haunting, timeless quality? Or would you prefer to see it restored to three-strip TORCH SONG Techicolor glory?
- [quote]I can't help but feel that there is a bit more of the film we haven't seen - the supermarket race feels like a tacked-on fragment from another film.
The full film of that is posted at R362
- I'm with R517.. I think there is more to the Crawford film... we must find it!
It's up there with the lost footage ("Jitterbug" and the Rainbow Bridge sequence) from THE WIZARD OF OZ.
- I agree, think of all of the cutting the producers of this little ditty did! Where are those lost frames?
- [quote]Of course, Rain ends with a guy on the beach dead of a self inflicted slash to the throat, brought on by his feelings of failure. But least we forget, BRCM ends abruptly. I feel at this point, with the parallels so clear, it is reasonable to assume Missy, distraught in not being able to secure a red Weirdo, killed herself. In the final reel, Joan and the lobster are seen heading off to Australia where they will begin a new life, free of the stain of guilt and shame. The End.
- [quote]Joan meets a lobster, and the look of ecstasy on her face as she stares in to that crustaceans beady eyes tells us instantly: she has found what she has been looking for.
I cant stop laughing at this. R516, you have a gift.
- I like the scratched faded quality of the film, it's almost like found footage. And the titles are all slightly askew, a hint to the viewer that this supermarket excursion won't be like any other.
And maybe perhaps the earth rising over the chords of 'Also sprach Zathustra' segued to a triumphant close-up of Joan sipping a Pepsi while dangling a red Wierdo from the dainty finger of her gloved hand, but we'll never know.
- Yes they have a "It Came from Beneath the Sea" title slant. haha.
- Still no word from the uploader/sibling regarding Missy? I really hope this thread has not totally alienated him/her.
And maybe camp just doesn't resonate with him/her.
- Isn't Big Rock Candy Mountain a child's horror story where the children are eaten?
- Are you kidding? S/he knows exactly what they are doing in uploading a clip like this. They better write my friend at r492 back. They must know the camp value and the value period.
- [quote]Didn't Joan grow up poor, and stewed rhubarb was fed to her often because there was nothing else? I thought I read that somewhere, she loathed it for that reason. My mother also had to eat a lot of it during the Depression era, her family was very poor. I think rhubarb plants come back every year without replanting and are very hardy. So, an economical meal. Bitter though, from what I hear.
Actually, in an interview from 1948, (linked below), it is reported that rhubarb is one of her favorite foods:
[quote]She likes to eat and her favorite dishes are salads, cereals and rhubarb.
And rhubarb isn't bitter, it can be very sweet and is great for desserts.
- "Lucille, you eat that rhubarb! When you get older, you'll have to put much more disgusting things in your mouth!"
- Meh r528 , it's more of a filler for good pies, like strawberry. If what the quoted person said is true, than it is even better than we thought. Joan, tossing out that rhubard barb as a secret code to her biggest fans, who know she hates rhubarb. Oh what a crafty one she was...
- There's nothing I like more than shopping for knick-knacks.
- r523: That final, incomplete fade of the tunnel(?) is so tantalizing. What was going on there? The last minutes of footage is absolutely missing - and there was certainly a few frames of "THE END".
I love the way Joan says "It pretty much DUZZZ."
And I love the way she mentions 1980. What would she have thought of the '80s?!
- She would've appreciated Madonna's True Blue-era eyebrows.
- r523 and r532 You guys rock. And yes, the way she says 1980 is pretty much the way one of us would scoffingly say 2020.
- [quote]The girl who won an Oscar when she was considered through in pictures has her own way of helping other actresses win theirs
I love how they call her a "girl" even though she was a month away from her 44th birthday. XD
- Marc Shaiman needs to turn Big Rock Candy Mountain into a Broadway musical. I can see Patti LuPone as Joan Crawford and Kristen Chenoweth as Missy.
Sample songs: "Spanish Dinner", "Whoever Heard of a Red Weirdo?", "Rhubarb". And dance numbers featuring dancing lobsters and green Weirdos.
- Patti LuPone can play the maid (if Shaiman writes her into the musical). I will play Joan.
At the 2:13 mark, Joan admits to slumming at Sears and buying off the rack!
Apparently, she wanted to prove that she could look plain, common, and frumpy as Mildred Pierce for her screen test.
What a wonderful promo for Sears!
Wouldn't that have been a great short film?
- Laughing my ass off at r536..can you make an outline for the red weirdo song? You are killing me, Smalls, you're goddamn killing me.
- r538 Don't say screen test! (Carol Ann, whispering)
- No, Glenn. I will play Joan. I think you are much better-suited to the role of the cashier.
You might even be given a line or two of dialogue.
I will go to bat for you.
- [quote]Sample songs: "Spanish Dinner", "Whoever Heard of a Red Weirdo?", "Rhubarb".
Accompanied by: "The Great Big Cupboard in the Sky", "Green, like the Grass...." and "Eat your Weirdo".
- "Spanish Sausage" will be performed by Raul Esparza.
- This thread has become way too much fun. I am actually watching "Mommie Dearest" right now, as we write, to laugh it up. Please, more song titles.
- For R544 :
"The Origins of Meat"
"I Hate Fish!"
"The Men I Might Meet in the Parking Lot"
"Billions to Make"
"Everything's Here, but where am I?"
- I love you r545.
I hope that I may keep the doll and the bracelet.
- Would the mom get a big dance number as she makes her exit from the store... purse in hand?
The check out girls would get a tap number surely. Something along the lines of "Forget about the Boy from THOROUGHLY MODERN MILLIE." Perhaps a dream sequence where they circle Missy in her shopping cart "Forget about the Weirdo!" Something along the lines of the Halloween Ballet from the Broadway version of MEET ME IN ST. LOUIS or "Temper, Temper" from MARY POPPINS the musical. Finishing off with a tap number on the check out counters, tapping their shoe against the cash register in perfect syncronization.
Would a life size Joan Crawford puppet emerging from the Birds Eye frozen food freezer a la Margaret Thatcher in BILLY ELLIOT
be a bit too much?
- From R528's link:
[quote]Her real name is Billie Cassin. She hails from San Antonio, Tex., and the date is March 23. She took the name of Lucille Le Sueur -- quite fancy -- for professional reasons. Later she was given her present name as the result of a movie fan magazine contest.
What?! From every source I've read, her real name was Lucille Fay LeSueur. What is this "Billie Cassin" business?
- r548 What, indeed? I have also never heard that and I can assure you, those men have never been in my kitchen.
- r547: I see Missy "I Hate Fish!" being menaced by giant fish heads and lobsters like "Temper, Temper" from MARY POPPINS.
Surely Stro can choreograph something with Shopping carts!
A "Spanish Dinn-ah" number with flamenco dancers, Raul in Desi Arnazian ruffled rhumba sleeves and Joan channeling Dolores Del Rio as she Waring-blenders the to-mah-toes for gaz-pach-o?
- I like it R550!
- Lucille LeSueur was her birth name. "Billie Cassin" = her childhood nickname plus her stepfather's last name. She went back to her original name when she first got into pictures.
- We could get one of those insufferable girls from MATILDA to play Missy
But who'd play Joan? Is Jan Maxwell available?
Victoria Clark for the mom... although we'd have to 'age' the mom.
- " Joans' Turn" sung right after Missy says "You turn it Joan"
- "Don't Hide From Me, Spanish Sow-sage" sung to the tune of Don't Cry For me Argentina.
- Joan's God monologue will be turned into a dream ballet sequence!
- The Hell with Broadway!
BRCM & Joan Crawford both deserve nothing less than to be developed into a full fledged Wagnerian style Grand Opera !
- I've watched this probably ten times (I know...help!), and I just noticed that if you watch closely, she crinkles her nose in distaste when her voiceover says "rhubarb." Such a pro, that Joan.
- Can someone tell me what Joan is doing at the 1:53 mark? She's walking down an aisle and it appears as if she's going to grab something, but she changes her mind. Can you make out what she's mumbling to herself?
- [quote]and by serious, I mean I am fucking delusional
No, R516, you're fucking brilliant! And that post was fucking hilarious.
We need more of you in the world.
- Thank you, R560. And sadly, no. I have not heard back from the person who originally up-loaded the video.
- I think you need to Email the guy who runs "The Concluding Chapter of Crawford". He would know EVERYTHING about this film.
- I wonder if Missy had to go into counseling afterwards.
- Cassin was her stepfather's name, and she used that name as her surname when she lived in Oklahoma as a child. She didn't know her stepfather wasn't her birth father and that her real surname was LeSueur until she was a few years old.
Billie was her childhood nickname, so she grew up thinking her name was Billie Cassin.
But no, she didn't adopt Lucille LeSueur "for professional reasons." That was her birth name.
- R563 see R498
- One thing (of many) I love about the film is the awareness that Joan barely tolerates , nay, loathes Missy. She's coldly businesslike in her exchanges with her and even the fake-warmth of "where do you think milk comes from?" exchange is destroyed by Joan's crisp, dismissive "Nevermind!"
Also: What is Missy's mother relationship to Joan? Is she one of Joan's maids? The wife of a low-level Pepsi bottler Joan met at last month's Pepsi Sales Rep meeting? Joan's desgnater driver?
- Joan is the one doing the driving.
did she say weir-DO???
- "See You at the See-yoopermarket!" should be the title of the finale of The Big Rock Candy Mountain, the Musical.
"So we'll see you,
See you at the see-youpermarket.
We'll see you in aisle four.
If you want to make gazpacho
You will see that this is not'cho'
Mother's tiny, inconvenient corner grocery of yore . . ."
- I just saw some Spanish Sorr-sage in Aldi, and immediately thought of this thread and chuckled. I almost had an impulse to buy it, but then remembered I'm a vegetarian and that would be nuts.
- The little girl looks defiant. Joan can barely tolerate her.
Joan lived on 69th and 3rd in a terribly tasteful apartment, I would have adored a Spanish meal cooked in her apartment. I don't think Missy and her Weirdo collection would be invited.
- This thread was played out somewhere in the 200's.
The OP is so excited he has a successful thread that he keeps bumping it.
It's over. Let it die.
- Don't read it R571.
Not the OP
- I agree with r571, and I will continue to read it, just to spite r572.
- R571 fuck you, stop being a hall monitor.
- The truth is out there.
- If only R575. But something tells me the cutting room floor was remarkably clean. The parts that should have been re-shot:
1 - In the parking lot, a blast from a car horn steps on Missy's line.
2 - Entering the market, Mother walks between Joan and the camera, effectively upstaging the star.
3 - Women at customer service desk staring directly into the camera.
This wouldn't have happened if Thalberg was in charge.
- This thread is really starting to get good now. Just wait till our person hears back. We will dissect the shit out of that and need a whole new thread.
- It's worth noting that Pepsi and Fritos (for that Spanish din-nah) are the only brands shown clearly.
I've tried to make out others. It looks like there is an Entenmann's cakes display on the corner where Joan turns her cart, and there MAY be Fleischmann's margerine in her cart.
It all depends where the supermarket was - I'm assuming in the greater New York area (or Long Island).
- R578 If you're right about Entenmann's, then it had to be in the east, as in those days it was not sold in the west.
- Didn't someone determine it was shot on the east coast? Someone recognized the license plate on the car.
- East coast. The big G seen in the shot of the checkout belt was the logo for Grand Union which was a chain from the NY area at the time. I think they had stores down to the DC area and a stray division in Florida. Grand Union is also the store seen in the final sequence of the 1975 Stepford Wives.
- Totally random, but I just dicovered that an Italian named Silvio Berlusconi wrote/edited a book about Joan. Could it be? And for R576, check out this hilarious interview in which Franchot Tone tells of what Joan advises in the event that someone is trying to steal a scene from you:
[quote]Joan's generosity towards her fellow actors was a revelation to him. He had been warned that every movie star was for self, and heaven rescue the rest of the cast.
"Which is silly generalization," Franchot declares. "Joan is fair to everyone. She wants each person to do his best." She told him how to deal with these scene-stealers.
"An actor may maneuver around so that you are 'backed up,' as they describe it. He emerges full-face to the camera and you have only a profile showing. Joan recommended that if such a situation arose I turn my back completely to the camera. Then the director would have to give me a close-up to see what the heck I was expressing on my face!
- I thought it was a Giant Food Store.
Here's their old logo:
- Has this been posted? If not, enjoy.
- R582 Ann Blythe says something similar about her generosity to other actors as well on some TCM Mildred Pierce promo.
- "An actor may maneuver around so that you are 'backed up,' as they describe it. He emerges full-face to the camera and you have only a profile showing. Joan recommended that if such a situation arose I turn my back completely to the camera. Then the director would have to give me a close-up to see what the heck I was expressing on my face!"
I love Filmmaking: Crawford Style! Where the director would never dare just say "Cut! Let's take it again, but Joan, could you face the camera this time, please?" Not on a Crawford set!!
- Missy reminds me of the little girl in the famous 'daisy' political ad. Remember, the girl plucks the petals of a daisy and then a nuclear mushroom cloud happens? Could they be the same girl?
- Thank you . Most enjoyable.
- Missy looks like the little girl who played Tabitha on Bewitched.
- Guess whose arm she used as an ashtray.
- Gawd, R590, she looks like she's still drunk from the night before. It's like watching Edwrd G. Robinson in drag.
- I'm making a Sumerian dinner ... barley, chickpeas ... IF I can find all of the ingredients.
- It's green!
Like the grass, like the trees, like this Percocet.
- Loved the Joan Flashdance video.
Is that a young Clark Gale looking fucking fine leaning next to the piano (three seconds in)?
- Where is the Flashdance vid, r594?
- For R595:
- At 3:32, Joan sticks her fingers in her ears and does a little jerk with her pelvis. WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?
- Thank you, r596. Thats a great mix.
Here's another one. A classic Danorama mix to help close this thread...
He needs to do a new mix just of the supermarket film!
- Haha, R597, I don't know, but I love her facial expression at 1:57 with the balloons.
- Act Two: