- xoxo OP!
Karen Ziemba, TONY winning actress/dancer/singer/people pie maker
- Bravo, OP; long may you run!!
Huge Fan of OP
- Hands On A Hard Body got surprisingly good reviews. What's the OP talking about?
- They seem more kind than good, r4.
- Bloomberg News: Two stars out of five
Newsday: "It's a slog." "There's nothing unlikable about HANDS ON A HARDBODY, but little to love, either."
NY POST: "You can’t help but root for the likable people on the Brooks Atkinson Theatre’s stage — both the actors and their characters. It’s harder to muster similar enthusiasm for “Hands on a Hardbody,” the middling musical they’re stuck in. Rarely has so much goodwill been so squandered."
NY DAILY NEWS: 3 Stars, but "that all-important emotional connection doesn’t cross the footlights in “Hardbody” in stories or the score. For a story about the last man (or is it woman?) standing, there’s zero tension."
BACKSTAGE: "‘Hands on a Hardbody’ Rarely Comes to Life"
AMNEWYORK: 3 stars, but "has an underwhelming but heartfelt country-rock score by Phish frontman Trey Anastasio and Amanda Green"
ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: B-
NY MAG - mixed
Then there are extremely positive reviews - not-quite raves but almost - from Wall Street Journal and USA TODAY - with lots of good pull-quotes, and very positive from Variety and Hollywood Reporter, and Isherwood's mixed-to-positive.
So, kind of like Cinderella.
- I was going through some old papers today and found a program from the 1990 Long Beach CLO production of "Follies." Cast? Juliet Prowse, Shani Wallis, Harvey Evans, Ed Evanko, Dorothy Lamour, Denise Darcel, Karen Morrow and Yma Sumac.
It's so long ago that I barely remember it.
Also: I posted a link to the mediocre reviews of the London "Mormon" in the old thread, in case anyone missed it.
- I saw that Follies, r7. Karen Morrow was amazing singing "I'm Still Here," and the staging seemed very similar to the original, except for Lucy and Jessie.
Prowse was good, but dressed wrong - a sexy dress for party Phyillis, and then a complete body suit - head to toe - for Lucy and Jessie - should have been the opposite.
Shani was good, but Losing My Mind was like she was taking it literally.
Lamour was frail. Yma Sumac was frail.
Susan Johnson was fantastic in Mary McCarty's role.
- oh jesus fing christ enough w/fcking Follies already move on!
- Amy Camus was tired the minute she appeared.
- Isn't it cute how people still think a good or bad NYT review can alter the life of a show. I loved Hardbody but even if the NYT raved it still won't last. It's too smart, it's too plain, no ones famous in it and no one saw the movie. The end.
- r9 = Jerry Herman
- She was supposed to wear a bodystocking to the party?
- Just for old times sake...
WHO is Kathleen Chalfant's GF?
- No - she was supposed to look reserved at the party and loose and sexy in Lucy and Jessie. The body stocking had the opposite effect - she wasn't sexy at all in Lucy and Jessie, although Prowse had an incredible body.
- It's sort of a give at this point that "Pippin" will go to Broadway and not "The Glass Menagerie" right?
- [quote]Isn't it cute how people still think a good or bad NYT review can alter the life of a show.
We don't know what you're talking about.
- Breakfast at Tiffany's working overtime to plug nude scene and the damn cat(s).
This article is pretty hilarious.
- Kathleen Chalfant is 108 years old and has been married to the same man since Woodrow Wilson was president.
She is not a dyke and her dessicated pussy hasn't seen moisture since the Gettysburg Address so stop it!
- He was FIRED for sucking? Usually that's how you get the job.
- The Nance is poised to go either way during previews. I'm not sure that DCB or Jack O'B have it in them to pull this one all the way up.
- Megan Hilty didn't seem like the sharpest tact on Andy Cohen's show. I see "married and fat" in her future.
- That's an interesting tack you take in your prediction, r22.
- "It's sort of a give at this point that "Pippin" will go to Broadway and not "The Glass Menagerie" right?"
What the hell are you talking about, R16?\t
"Megan Hilty didn't seem like the sharpest tact on Andy Cohen's show. I see "married and fat" in her future."
And you don't seem like the sharpest "tact," either, R22.
- oh the shame of it all....well she's still fat
- R22, I think she just photographs fat. It's an interesting body - her waist seems small but the rest...
I thought (and mentioned on another thread) that Patti Stanger creature hogged all the airtime (Andy's fault?) I WAS interested that Megan's dating a singer/dancer - anybody know who it is?
I'd like to see her, of everyone heretofore not well known to the TV public on Smash, get somewhere.
- Is THE NANCE another "angry/sad clown whose heart is breaking" role for Nathan?
- Jack O'Brian has lost his touch. His last great work was COAST OF UTOPIA and it's been downhill ever since. ENCORES will be next for him.
- Nudie theater boy Brandon Ruckdashel is in an off-bway show. Too bad he stinks up the show and keeps his clothes on! Plus the boy looks like Hell. Time has not been kind. Maybe best he didn't strip for a change! Time to get married and move back to fly over-ville.
- Jack O'Brien was always a relentless mediocrity who simply knew how to cast his shows well.
- [r26] she is dating some guy named Brian Gallagher whom I believe was married when she began dating him -- but amicably separated from his wife at the time. And they apparently met in a fitness class.
- She's a great big fat person.
- I don't normally post on these threads, but I saw Hands on a Hardbody and I loved it! Very strange and moving show.
There, I said it.
- Megan (solo - no date) sat directly in front of me tonight at SUPERMAN. Much slimmer in person than she looks on TV. And very sweet - I told her I loved her on Wendy Williams yesterday and she said she had a blast doing that show.
SUPERMAN was a lot of fun but the idea that it might transfer is absurd. After all the fuss about a blonde Superman, I see they made Ed Watts dye his hair for the part. Who's his bf?
Ironically in her bio Jenny Powers (who plays Lois Lane) says she played Sydney (the Linda Lavin/Ally Mauzey role) in the DTC production of SUPERMAN not long ago - opp. her husband Matt Cavenaugh as the Man of Steel. How come Matt's not playing the part now? He's certainly a bigger name than the strapping Mr. Watts.
- [quote]I told her I loved her on Wendy Williams yesterday and she said she had a blast doing that show.
I would be embarrassed to admit to anyone that I actually watch that show.
- Just take the stick out of your ass, R35, and get fucked.
- Didn't Mufti do Superman w/ Lea DeLaria as the villan or am i really coked up and tying again?
Isn't Matt Cavanaugh too short to play CK?
- R37 Mufti did do SUPERMAN with Lea as the evil scientist (David Pittu plays it at Encores, channeling Dame Edna, of all people!)
At Mufti, Superman was Cheyenne Jackson!
And Cavenaugh was tall enough to play it in Dallas (where everything's bigger) so why not Encores?
- This is BOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRINNNNNGGGGGG
- kill yourself r40
- Billington's review pretty much sums up how I felt about Book of Mormon - funny, and I'd probably see it again, but it's not very substantial.
[quote] He admits that he had a "perfectly pleasant time", admired the songs ("part of the fun lies in playing spot-the-source"), and rather warmed to some of the cast, but "the idea that the show … is either daringly offensive or a Broadway breakthrough is pure codswallop". In fact, Billington takes issue with The Book of Mormon's entire premise, unflatteringly comparing it with the little-known 50s satire The Making of Moo (Google it) – by whose satirical standards this new show is "pretty toothless". "The biggest myth of all," he concludes, "is that it's somehow a landmark American musical."
The only reason it's being taken as landmark is because it's a show with cursing and that type of humour that also happens to be making boatloads of money. It's a landmark in the same way CATS is a landmark - as a brand that people who don't usually go to the theatre will know about.
- R41 that's mean. I laughed at your Buffalo Bill comment.
- I'm sorry r40....I was in a snit and took it out on you. I hope you live a happy productive life.
- Billington is a pill. Most find him to be a tiresome hack. It seems silly to reach back to a 1950's satire that nobody knows about when he could've just referenced Jerry Springer The Opera from 10 years ago that had healthy runs at The National and in the West End. I'm sure BOM is entertaining but comparatively toothless.
- 90% of directing is casting well. Ellis Rabb taught me that.
- [quote] Kathleen Chalfant is 108 years old and has been married to the same man since Woodrow Wilson was president.
They said the same thing about Eleanor Roosevelt, who had her gf living down the hall in the White House.
- Is the Kathleen Chalfant troll female?
- listen, this Kathleen Chalfant shit is beyond tired and isn't amusing in the least.
If you care this much about who Kathleen Chalfant and her sexuality there is help for you somewhere but it won't be found here.
What the fuck did she do to you to inspire this kind of strange relentless drumb beat about her sexuality?
- Oh relax R49. It's just a DL meme. It's making fun of the original poster and isn't malicious towards Kathleen Chalfant herself.
- [quote]drumb beat
Love this. Is this a meme of some sort, or just a typo?
- yeah, r50 but unlike some other DL memes it isn't funny.
- Well, I never said it was funny. I was just trying to point out that it's not actually about Kathleen Chalfont anymore.
- R7 there is a bootleg video of that production. Actually two, one an amateur one and the other a steady no zoom house camera shot. It was a pretty decent production. very close to the orginal in design. The only thing I didn't like and this is a personal gripe, Prowse's costume for "Lucy and Jessie." But she is divine as is Shani Wallis.
- I thought it was well-known that Jeffrey Richards wanted to keep Menagerie out of this season to boost the Tony chances of Virginia Woolf.
- Shani wallis was terrible. Couldn't sing anymore
Karen morrow and Ed Evanko stole the show
- Can we get a report on the naked bathtub scene in Breakfast at Tiffany's from someone?
- The threatre message boards and bloggers are getting the word out about how bad Kinky Boots is and the turgid performance of the lead.
- R53 you spelled Kathleen's name wrong.
And if we can talk about Cherry Jones and Sarah Paulsen, why not Kathleen Chalfant.
Is she too Taboo to talk about here?
So it is ok to gossip about Cherry and Sarah, but not about Kathleen?
- r42: SPRING AWAKENING was even more overhyped. Critics were wetting themselves over "The HAPPENING musical of the NOW generation" as if rock had never appeared on Broadway before.
- I, too, just saw 'Hardbody' and loved it and thought it the freshest, most challenging(in a good way) musical in many a year. As tourist season approaches, I predict it will draw crowds and be a hit. There will be much clutching of pearls on this thread and potential suicides in Manhattan if it does turn out to be the hit of the season.
- "Jack O'Brien was always a relentless mediocrity who simply knew how to cast his shows well."
Bullshit. He's one of the very best. Yes, he's had a bad run of late, but not primarily his fault.
- does anyone know why, without repeating the offending details, the last theatre thread was shut down? I don't remember anything particularly inflamatory in that thread.
I read here the nastiest person on Broadway threads were just edited instead of deleted, I wonder why they didn't do that with the last theatre thread?
The only think I can think of is someone wrote that a fav dl icon had an affair with a married man?
- Ok, r65, I'll tell you but I really don't want them to shut down this thread, too.
This is so hard to say, but the reason why Theater Gossip #106 was shut down was because...
It reached 600 posts.
Oh I feel so dirty...
- It wasn't shut down, r65. DL sort of burped when the thread was at 596 posts, and it just looked like it had been shut down for a few hours, but it was still active and was closed when the thread count went over 600, standard procedure on DL.
- R66 it WAS shut down briefly yesterday morning, as many of us can attest to getting "thread does not exist" messages when trying to access. Then by the early afternoon it was open for business again.
- I think the critics creamed over Superman was because it came across as an almost ready to move production.....sets, costumes, lights....no scripts in hand. Was a fun production but still not good enough to move. Think Finian's Rainbow.
- just looking at the partners Wall Street Journal and what do I see but a nice review for Ms. Ziemba's non dancing appearance off broadway:
TACT/The Actors Company Theatre, Beckett Theatre,
410 W. 42nd St. ($59.25)
212-239-6200, closes April 13
TACT/The Actors Company Theatre, which mounted flawless Off-Broadway revivals of Brian Friel's "Lovers" and Neil Simon's "Lost in Yonkers" last year, has done it again with "Happy Birthday," a smart little comedy by Anita Loos, the once-celebrated author of "Gentlemen Prefer Blondes." "Happy Birthday," in which a prim spinster (Mary Bacon) takes refuge from a storm in the Jersey Mecca Cocktail Bar, downs a few drinks and suddenly metamorphoses into a party girl, was a huge hit on Broadway in 1946—it ran for 563 performances—but has since been forgotten, mainly because it calls for a budget-busting cast of 17. (Two of the roles have been doubled, but you won't notice.) Scott Alan Evans has staged this revival with exceptional skill, getting all of the laughs without obscuring the melancholy that is never far from the shiny surface of Ms. Loos's script.
Ms. Bacon plays Addie, the increasingly tipsy lady librarian, with a winning charm that is impossible to resist. Karen Ziemba, lately and famously of "Contact," has been cast as Gail, the tough-talking owner of the Jersey Mecca, and does it so well that you'll wonder why it's been so long since you last saw her on a New York stage. Bless her for signing on to this lovely production, which is, like all of TACT's shows, a winner.
- Who is Kathleen Chalfant's....
- Glad to see TACT is getting props.
I reluctantly saw the Lost in Yonkers and really enjoyed it and I don't really like that play. Cynthia Harris [from Mad About You] played the mother and it was a great show.
The Brian Friel play they did this fall was stunningly acted.
Great company. Can't wait to see this one with Karen Ziemba.
- the tale of the tape on Harbody will be in the next two weeks of grosses
(if they dont post before then, I cant imagine they have much of an advance)
I dont see this making it--an admirable failure-although I didnt care for it very much I appreciate the attempt to do something more substantial than plugging pop or catalouge songs into the bare bones of a thin screenplay
- how long can tiffany hang on? after those reviews?
- He may be turgid R59, but in BONNIE AND CLYDE (LaJolla) Stark Stands had a delish looking cock. Two nude scenes... all captured in glorious HD on the bootleg video.
- Is Jan Maxwell working at all or just holed up in her subsidized apartment palace that was always meant for starving artists?
- I think Gavin Creel playing the lead in Book of Mormon in London is what's keeping it from being an unabashed critical hit. Creel is a talented singer but not a gifted comic actor. Rannels had great timing and a cartoon-ish face which served the role and the show extremely well. Creel has not been receiving personal raves for good reason.
Roma Torre on NY1 Onstage is a moron. In today's review of Breakfast At Tiffany's she claimed that David Merrick closed the musical version in previews "to keep from boring the critics." I have a feeling he closed it for every reason BUT that.
- [quote]the tale of the tape on Harbody will be in the next two weeks of grosses (if they dont post before then, I cant imagine they have much of an advance) I dont see this making it--an admirable failure-although I didnt care for it very much I appreciate the attempt to do something more substantial than plugging pop or catalouge songs into the bare bones of a thin screenplay.
Maybe if it gets several Tony noms, that might help (provided it's still running, of course).
- Merrick's press release stated that he had decided to close the show to avoid subjecting "the drama critics and the theatergoing public to an excruciatingly boring evening." Were there other reasons? Probably. But that's what he said for the record.
- Saw the Annie Baker/Sam Gold opus THE FLICK last night.
The experience reminded me of the saying, "Twice as long as GOTTERDAMMERUNG and only half as funny."
- caps from bootleg please.
- I watched Patrick Pachecho on Moron Stage interviewing Tina Packer and Nigel Gore this morning. Where has Gore been? Very attractive man. Anyone know anything about him? Not much on Google.
- Oh, God "The Flick" is just horrible - paint drying has a faster pace. I couldn't figure out if Baker wrote it to be played like a one-act stretched out to over 3 hours, or if Sam Gold has truly lost what little mind he had.
- R83, what's the matter with you? It was amazing! It was terrific! Baker and Gold have done it again!
- The New York theater critics
- Roma Torre is even more of a moron for taking David Merrick's press release at the time at face value. I doubt that Michael Riedel ever would-he'd see right through it and clarify the statement as the producer not wanting to subject the critics to something so abominably awful it might somehow influence their opinions on his next show.
- Word is that Glass Menagerie will arrive in NYC last summer.
- God this thread sucks.
- Is anybody going to the first preview of Pippin tonight?
- Gavin Creel interview:
this boy seems a little strange....glad he came out though....I mean who would have ever guessed?
- oops the link
- Are Creel and Rannells still a couple?
- Here's Karen Morrow in one of the Long Beach bootlegs.
- They're a couple? Have there ever been any other couples where partner B follows partner A into the same role?
Yes: Gavin Creel and Jonathan Groff (Hair Broadway & in the Park)
- Does anyone think "I'll Eat You Last" will do well? I have a sinking feeling the average person is going to think it's either a horror/cannibal plot, a sex-crazed plot and/or say, "Who is Sue Mengers?" or worse, "Who is Bette Midler?"
Worried Elder Show Queen
- They should have called it "Sue Mengers' Stretch Pants"
- I think a lot of tourists will wander into it thinking it is a Bette Midler concert and expect to hear Wind Beneath My Wings.
- Just tosses Gavin Creel out of my flat. Talk about a wanker.
- Will Bette clash with Mantello? Is he good dealing with Divas?
- Patrick Healy in the New york Times writes business stories instead of arts stories. hate reading him. his matilda piece sucks.
- WEHT Matt Cavenaugh anyway? Has he been pursuing a film and TV career?
- Didn't Arthur Laurents leave him a shitload of money under the condition he got divorced?
- Judging by his IMDB page r102 I'd say no to the TV career stuff.
- no r103...Laurents fired him from WSS. I think he got married later.
- Anything about Pippin?
- Re Merrick closing TIFFANY'S: Some of you bitches are so freakin' nasty.
I've heard many people say, and I tend to agree, that the wort shows aren't the ones you hate with a passion because they're so horrible; rather, the worst shows are the totally boring ones. So in saying he closed the show because it was excruciatingly boring, there's no reason to think Merrick wasn't being fully honest or trying to save face.
And anyway, that WAS his statement, so anyone who describes Roma Torre as a moron for quoting Merrick accurately is himself a moron.
- Is Ed watts padded to play Superman? I mean in the muscles area.
Matt Cavenaugh would probably need some extra padding though Ed Watts might be fine without.
- Matt Cavenaugh is tiny. If he were gay he'd be called a pocket gay.
- Another couple playing the same role: Bernie Yvon, who played Houdini in the First National Tour of Ragtime, was the partner of Jim Corti, who originated the role.
- Jay Armstrong was hot in that awful boy scout play last season, so it was a shame he didn't take off his shirt for HANDS ON A HARDBODY. I was hoping he would be the title character.
Instead, the sexiest person on stage is David Larsen, but I have feeling he's probably a nellie thing in real life.
And Sergio Trujillo's choreography works the best here since it's his stupid hand gestures that kill his other shows, and in this one, most of the time, one hand is on the car, but he does indulge in his stupid "I am a teapot" weird gesture once in a while.
- Get a load of R107-touchy much, darling? Your intelligence is pulp.
Uhhh...I have one question for you-have you even HEARD of David Merrick? This is the monster who tried to maximize publicity for the opening night of 42nd Street on Broadway by making the announcement onstage at the curtain call of the death of its director/choreographer Gower Champion, simultaneously breaking the news to his cast, including Champion's girlfriend Wanda Richert.
- David Larsen is straight.
- What evidence do we have that Gav and Andy are or ever were a couple? A friend of mine who is friends with both said they aren't and never were.
- [quote]What evidence do we have that Gav and Andy are or ever were a couple? A friend of mine who is friends with both said they aren't and never were.
Gavin discussed having a new beau....he was seen around town with Andrew....Broadway bitch Morgan James tweeted about them being together and being rude to her....
- Well, Rannells tweeted this the other day plus people used to gossip about them on here. That's all I know.
- R77 / R85 / R112, you should just go away. You're a misguided moron. Merrick's comment regarding B@T is well known and everyone knows the circumstances surrounding Gower Champion's death. Releasing the news just hours before the opening would have devastated the entire company. That's why they say there's no business like show business.
Seek help for your personality problems. You're not making any headway here.
- Let's look at Doug Houghes' career...he's taking a beating for The Big Knife which just started previews...
Frozen - little off-Broadway hit that moved to Broadway and flopped.
Doubt - critical and commercial success
A Naked Girl on the Appian Way - total flop
A Touch of the Poet - don't even remember this production (Roundabout I'm assuming)
Inherit the Wind - Brian Dennehy and Christopher Plummer - I think it received decent reviews.
Mauritius - Theresa Rebeck dreck
A Man for All Seasons - Roundabout, again?
The Royal Family - ok, reviews I think - but no one cared - isn't this the show that almost killed Tony Roberts?
Oleanna - terrible protection - all about the blinds
Mrs. Warren's Profession - worse than Oleanna - how do you screw up something with Cherry Jones?
Elling - tee hee hee, next?
Born Yesterday - stop trying to make Nina Arianda happen!
An Enemy of the People - respectable reviews, I think?
The Big Knife
Now, I know art isn't easy - but what does that have to do with Broadway?
- "how do you screw up something with Cherry Jones?"
Put Sally Hawkins into it and watch its agonized death twitches.
- So is THAT the trouble with Roundabout? Do directors not get full casting approval?
- A Touch of the Poet had Gabriel Byrne, Dearbhla Molloy, and Emily Bergl, but it was interminable.
- Hardbody would be lucky to hold on through the Tonys-while likely to get a few noms, its not going to win any--see: Leap of Faith
- I would imagine Tiffanys posting on Tues-unless someones got deep pockets
- ROUNDABOUT very much strong arms their hapless directors into the casting of all their shows.
How else to explain Bye Bye Birdie, one among countless curiosities?
Nolan's funky gerard
- Merrick closed Breakfast at Tiffany's the musical- this is a play...
- How many weeks until Tony noms are announced?
How long do these loser shows have to hold on?
the fired pussy from Breakfast at Tiffany's
- A transfer of Superman is idiotic unless someone needs to lose a whole lotta money really quickly--coul possibly have been viable for an Off bway run if commercial Off Bway still existed and it wasnt cost prohibitive
Pretty sure Matt Cavenaugh has left the business
- "Don't ever fucking call me a tourist."
Lisa Lampanelli's fantastic new pre-Broadway show was being workshopped at The New Group, and this happened...
- I cannot believe I just wasted two minutes of my life watching that video, R128. What a lot of nothing.
- R127, I'm with you... Superman in a smaller house with similar staging would be terrific.
The score is wonderful, the direction and tone was spot-on. Perhaps they can add some of the book that was removed for the Encores! run and give it more book.
I saw the Encores! production and the show was great fun. Nothing more, nothing less than fun.
L O V E D Edward Watts as Clark/Sup. The man's gorgeous. I stayed to the talkback and from the size of his upper arms (he wore a tee-shirt and khakis) there was no padding required to fit the suit. Hell, he even made a nice impression in the red shorts.
The entire cast was dynamite. Hope it was recorded so I can see it again.
- R126, I read somewhere the Tony noms are announced on April 30.
Beloved DL Bway gays, are the Tony noms announced on TV? Local NYC station, perhaps?
Marooned in northern NY but trying to keep up
- R128's video is pointless, and only confirms what I'd expect Lampanelli's brainless fans to look, sound, and act like. Are you her publicist?
Please stop trying to make Lampanelli a gay "thing." We'd be better off championing an openly G&L performer who wasn't also a racist sexist bigot. And was funny.
- Lisa Lampanelli is about as funny as the "who is kathleen chalfant's gf troll.
or in other words: NOT FUNNY AT ALL.
Why is the New Group involved with her? don't get it.
- Bernard Delfont, who's his gf?
- Who is doing Linda Lavin's role in Superman?
- The main producer on "BREAKFAST AT TIFFANY'S is the same douchebag who kept GHOST running even though everyone hated it.
Has Mantello worked with divas before? Think Linda Lavin, Stockard Channing and Robbie Baitz. Not to mention Debra Monk.
HARDBODY has one of the worst directors working in theater. Pepe manages to ruin the one great number in the show, by following it up with a ghastly ballad instead of ending the first act with it.
Doug Hughes is about as talented as Jack O'Brian, except Hughes can't even adequately cast his own works anymore.
Arthur Laurents' money went to that fat creep who runs the George Street Playhouse in New Jersey. Saint and his little boytoy are giggle-inducing.
And finally, "The Flick" is a hell of a lot better than most of the crap out there right now. It's a seamless production, it leaves a lasting impression, but it's the focal point of theater-illiterate morons who prefer bad revivals with big stars, whose taste is entirely in their mouths.
- Ali Mauzy R136
- And she is sensational, R136. Funny, sexy, in great voice.
- Sorry, it's R135, not 136.
- Why didn't they approach Linda Lavin to recreate the role she originated in Superman?
- Tiffany's has a really low break-even so it may be here for a while if enough Game of Thrones fans are interested.
I saw it last night, and the audience seemed happy afterwards. Lots of "so much better than the critics said" comments and a pretty big crowd for Emilia Clarke.
I kept waiting for the hook or through line to start and it never did. Greenberg did Capote no favors by just copying the novella onto his computer. Where was the adaption?
- With the possible exception of Dinklage, I don't think GOT fans (and I'm one of them) are interested in other projects the cast appears in. It's the characters the fans are obsessed with, not the actors. Unless Emilia Clarke plays Holly naked with a little dragon on her shoulder, the GOT fanbase isn't going to show up.
- London production of Book of Mormon sets Broadway and West End record with sales of $3.21 M on Friday alone.
- I've tried reading Breakfast at Tiffanys (the novella) a couple of times and have never been able to get past 50 pages or so.
So no surprise here that theatrical adaptations have always proved elusive and dismal.
- [quote]London production of Book of Mormon sets Broadway and West End record with sales of $3.21 M on Friday alone.
Are they doing premium pricing in London for this? Do they do premium pricing at all in the West End? Anyone know?
- R107/R117, you gave me quite an attack of the giggles. Are you Roma Torre's nephew Bologna? Why do you vociferously defend her so?
The cast of 42nd Street (including Richert) were not completely aware that Champion was in mortal danger. Merrick's announcement that he had in fact succumbed was a shock. Richert started sobbing. And Jerry Orbach, class act that he was, demanded the curtain be brought down so the assembled media (which included TV cameras) wouldn't get any more goodies which Merrick so callously planned for them to get at the expense of a cast hurled into grief on their opening night.
- how low can the break even of Tiffany's be with 15 people in the cast?
somehow, I dont see the Game of Thrones audience being big straight play going ticket buyers--
- [quote] Are they doing premium pricing in London for this?
Yes the "premium" seats are 127GBP.
- So what is so wrong with the idea of Superman moving (which Jack Viertel said there had been "nibbles" about at the talkback) -
I mean, really? Compared to what else is on Broadway these days, it might be a breath of fresh air. And at least it's a show that hasn't been overdone, like Gypsy or the upcoming 127th revival of The King and I.
And compared to almost every new musical these days (not all, but most), it's brilliant.
- R136, I'm one of the earlier posters who thought THE FLICK was a huge bore with characters who only pique your interest occasionally. Yes, it's a seamless production, but tedium is not an artistic statement.
Your statement that anyone who doesn't like the play is a "theater-illiterate moron who prefers bad revivals with big stars" is childish.
- Anybody seen Pippin now that it's in previews on Broadway?
- Most West End shows do premium pricing now. Stupidly, so do some touring venues as well. I'm not sure how well premium pricing has worked out though.
So is the idiotic statement, "tedium is not an artistic statement".
Did you think that up all by yourself, or did Mommy help you?
- R151- check out All That Chat @Talkin Broadway for some positive feedback for the first preview. Kid got a 5th row orchestra seat for $37.00 too.
dramadee and his broadway flow chart
- theoretically, a Superman trsnfer is not idiotic--but commercially, it would never generate enough business to make financial sense
- r153, as someone who's been subjected to more than my share of films and theater pieces created by people who DID regard tedium as an artistic statement, I have to side with r150 on this subject. There was a brief window of time during the mid-20th century when boring the fuck out of your audience was new and daring and and a fun and easy way to weed out the bourgeois dilettantes from the truly dedicated avant garde art crowd. In 2013, however, it just comes across as a form of self-indulgent narcissism whose time has passed. A lot of taboos and barriers have been overthrown by modernism, and nowadays we go to the theater for a lot of different reasons, not just to be entertained or educated. But the one reason we don't go is to be bored, and considering how expensive it is to do theater in New York and how few opportunities there are for new playwrights it's an inexcusable waste of a precious resource.
- I haven't seen Superman but I, as well, don't see why a commercial transfer would necessarily be a bad bet. My impression is the reviews were pretty great.
True, there are no stars but the title alone could sell tickets with a really smart hip ad camaign.
Too many shows fail with negligble ad campaigns. I'm convinced Mormon, Wicked and Jersey Boys have all benefitted from memorable branding.
But then Mama Mia, OTOH, triumphed with one of the stupidest logos ever.
- What if SUPERMAN were a limited run or picked up by Roundabout?
- In order for Superman to have the same impact in a transfer, they would have to retain the large orchestra, which would be cost-prohibitive. That 60s sound is a good deal of this show's charm. Also, Finian had the same hopes for success after a transfer, and look what happened there.
- Thoughts on Andrew Lloyd Webber's latest project? Stephen Ward is a horrible title for a musical, but I'm quite fond of the movie SCANDAL with John Hurt based on the same events.
Looking forward to it, with caution, given that Don Black is the lyricist. I wonder is ALW will ever have another show premiere on Broadway.
- Motown is quietly the biggest new hit in town!
- Can't compare FINIAN'S RAINBOW and SUPERMAN.
FINIAN'S was well done, but it exposed how very, very twee the piece plays now. The score - which is amazing - is also trapped in the 1940s.
It was heavenly if you're into that, but it's not a "hot" older show like Gypsy or Anything Goes. I can see why it couldn't draw a bigger crowd.
SUPERMAN, from two decades later, plays off a 60s - pop vibe. And it is, of course, Superman - a brand-name right there. What it doesn't have is a genuine Broadway star name - which I would think it would need to give it a good "bounce" right out of the gate. Max was the star name the first time - Will Swenson's playing that, and he was good, but maybe not as big a name as might be needed. You can't really make Lois or Sydney the star part, or Superman - the only other option is Dr. Sedgwick.
- Sean Hayes IS Dr. Sedgwick!
- Apropos of nothing, WEHT Christoher Sieber?
- He was on the LA CAGE AUX FOLLES tour last year. Have not heard anything recently.. I think that tour ended.
One can pretty much assume you've not bothered to see the play in question.
Just a hunch.
- How did Joe Mantello make the switch from actor to director? Any other current major Bway directors start as actors? Was Mike Nichols ever an actor or more of a comedian?
- The Mentalist had an episode tonight clearly inspired by the Rebecca mess (ie, producer tells his potential backers that he has a big investor lined up, but turns out the big investor doesn't exist). The leasing lady of the musical (which was trying out in Sacramento - like that would ever happen) was Donny Murphy. She looked great - not too thin - but she looked every one of her 60 years. Except that she's actually 54, so there is that.
- None of the roles in Superman is big enough to attract a star.
- Can somone help me find the bootleg of Bonnie and Clyde with Stark Sands?
- Rob Ashford made the switch from anonymous Broadway chorus boy to Broadway choreographer to director of Broadway musicals to director of Broadway plays. This has been over the course of about 20 years.
No one really understands how the final stage was accomplished.
- [quote] Rob Ashford made the switch from anonymous Broadway chorus boy to Broadway choreographer to director of Broadway musicals
Many people have followed that route
- Breakfast at Tiffany's and Superman both FLOPPED big time when first presented.
Why are they getting revived?
- SUPERMAN and WHOLESALE are two shows that for some reason people are hot to see revived.
- My, the fangurl for THE FLICK needs to chill out.
- I saw "The Flick" last night, and it was pretty fabulous. Very funny. Some terrific acting going on.
I have attended theatre that seemed hellbent on killing the audience with boredom. ("Life and Times", anyone?) This was nothing of the sort. The story line is extremely quiet & gentle, that's all.
- For anyone in the Cincinnati area there is a terrific all black production of The Trip to Bountiful presented by Cincinnati Playhouse. I know Cecily Tyson is the name doing it on Broadway but the actress I saw, Lizann Mitchell, was incredible. Seriously.
Julianne Moore, roving theater reporter
Tommy Tune, Michael Bennett, Bob Fosse, Nicholas Martin, Casey Nicholaw, just to name a few.
- No one's gonna transfer Superman. It'd be totally idiotic. There hasn't been a successful Encores! transfer since Chicago. The Apple Tree just filled a spot in the Roundabout schedule and Finian's Rainbow bombed. What works for a weekend doesn't work for a few months.
- I'm glad that the British press is calling out Mormon for not being the greatest American musical ever. It was cute, it was funny, but the only thing separating it from most Fringe shows is that the South Park writers wrote it. It's totally forgettable and in 20 years (if it's not still running) it will be hard to recognize why it was even remotely successful.
- True r180. I saw it Friday last in London and while parts are funny I couldn't understand all the hoopla around it.
In response to an earlier poster Gavin Creel was good in his role and put in a funny and energetic performance. Whether his voice is left intact is another matter. He was really pushing his voice and was visibly straining to hit the notes. I haven't seen him perform before so maybe that's how he sings.
Perhaps Mr Kazee should have a word with him?
- Though Bennett, Fosse and Tune were all undoubtedly brilliant directors of musicals, I don't recall them or Nicholas Martin or Casey Nicholaw ever directing O'Neill and Williams on Broadway and the West End.
Rob Ashford, unique genius
- I couldn't believe it won the Tony Award over Scottsboro Boys, but I guess that show winning wouldn't have been as sexy of a story.
- r180: the (over)praise for MORMON pales next to THE PRODUCERS, which had the same cachet of "comedy legend does something different - he writes a musical!"
- Nicholas Martin's only talent is, despite being a troll, persuading cute young actors to let him suck them off. Otherwise the rule is, the utterly untalented, really stupid and entirely useless in the arts, never die but go on and on, even after the little bit of Muse-vengeance "Nicky" suffered by having a stroke.
- Wow, what did Nicky ever do to you, r185?
- ever been in the same room as Nicky Martin? I'm sure r185 has many reasons to say what he says
- Just because Ashford is given the chance to direct O'Neill and Williams doesn't mean he has the talent required to direct O'Neill or Williams. Perfect example-his atrocious STREETCAR at the Donmar, and his barely passable CAT. His ANNA CHRISTIE, however, was terrific, but he had 2 great actors who knew what they were doing.. Just keep him away from LONG DAY'S JOURNEY or GLASS MENAGERIE. Give Neil Simon a try, Rob. Charlie W. can play Oscar.
- R184 Except for the fact that they'd already written a musical movie.
- I've been in a room many many times with Nicky. There's no more entertaining person in all of New York.
- I have worked with Nicholas Martin and been to numerous social situations with him. There could not be a nicer man. Though the fact that he allowed Brooks Ashmanskas to get away with that dreadfully amateurish performance in Present Laughter may indicate that he is TOO nice.
- Just read on Playbill that Karen Black has cancer.
- How is Nicky's health? I knew he had a stroke, but I didn't realize it has affected his ability to walk.
- Nicky can still walk when he has to, but prefers the walker or the wheelchair.
Or a young assistant.
- Christopher Sieber has been concentrating on losing weight. As has not-remotely-fat Max Von Essen
- Love linda's version of "You've got possibilities" Her singing voice has always been criminally underrated. She recorded several versions of the Alice theme and they ranged from R&B to light jazz. She nailed each genre.
She seems to be getting a second wind. Alice seasons are rapidly coming out on DVD. She's getting the respect that she FINALLY deserves. Shame she never got an Emmy for her utter brilliance as Alice Hyatt.
- Here's a recording of Creel's "I Believe". I've heard the song was lowered for him, but it still sounds too high and makes his voice seem reedy. And I'm a big fan of his (usually full-bodied) voice.
- I don't know what she sounded like when young. But even back when she did GYPSY, Lavin wasn't far off Stritch "braying" territory.
- "Creel Believes"
- Kazee has spoken.
And he now lists himself as living in Los Angeles.
- CAMERON IS REWRITING BARNUM!
CAMERON CONFIRMS BRINGING MISS SAIGON BACK!
CAMERON HATES GLEE, BUT LOVES TAYLOR SWIFT!
CAMERON! CAMERON! CAMERON! CAMERON!
- R198, you need to hear Linda's recent CD. It's quite brilliant, and she does a cover of "you've got possibilities" that puts the original in the shade.
The word from Columbia is that THE FLICK is the front-runner for this year's Pulitzer. Take that, bitches!
- Nobody does You've Got Possibilities like Loretta Swit.
- [r200] I guess his contract re-negotations didn't go his way. He will do better in Los Angeles anyway. I can see him in film and television not to mention having a successful solo music career.
- Yes I can see Kazee in a cop show.
- Wow, Kazee is desperately trying to hang on to his theater fan base with that screed.
- R200 just released.
- Meant Kazee, not you R200! Sorry.
- Released r207 ?
- I can see him in Shameless. In the James McAvoy part.
- I see him in MAD MEN, with some nudity
- Dear Lady Isherwood,
THE FLICK can't be considered for this year's Pulitzer. It will have to wait until next year.
- He'll get a better quality of blowjobs in LA anyway.
- What a grand narcissist Kazee is. Who would fuckin' care if he tweeted while on recovery?
- [quote]What a grand narcissist Kazee is. Who would fuckin' care if he tweeted while on recovery?
- Has anyone seen CINDERELLA?
- Lavin was in great voice when she stopped the show at every performance with Broadway Baby in Follies.
- "She recorded several versions of the Alice theme and they ranged from R&B to light jazz. She nailed each genre."
If by nailed, you mean like Jesus to the cross, then I'll agree with you.
- r214 all "straight" male actors are narcissists
- So how is PIPPIN???
- While that stupid letter just reinforces how annoying I find Kazee, I still can't deny that
A) his performance was superb
B) I want his cock in my mouth and ass very deeply
- what [r221] said
- He used to spend forever standing in the street talking to his fans. I'd constantly pass him standing out there.
- Was he ever wearing flip-flops, r223?
And anyone have Steve Kazee feets pics?
- Kazee is the nicest guy, but those songs were not in his range and they forced him to sing in such a gravelly way.
- Kazee's facebook has said he is in Los Angeles for quite some time. It isn't a new thing.
Also, to be fair, Steve did make this statement after his contract would have ended. His lack of statement could very well be because the powers that be did not want him saying anything.
BTW, he had been "liking" things on fb, so he wasn't totally away.
- I didn't look r224. He's always behind the police barricade. I walk home on that street a lot and he was always out there. Seemed to really like chatting with the fans.
- so Kazee was in LA for pilot season and not for vocal issues? could explain why the producers were so pissed at him by the end
- I think he was in LA and moved back to NY for Once...did he ever change it to NY?
- Unless he was specifically looking to pick somebody up and score some ass, I don't see what reason an actor could ever have for wanting to spend a lot of time chatting at the stage door. Ego gratification?
Seems like you'd just hear the same gushing vapidity over and over, interspersed with people's inevitably boring stories about why they personally connect with the show.
- [quote]Unless he was specifically looking to pick somebody up and score some ass
nah...it always looked like a lot of teens with their parents who were waiting for him....
- He was picking up PLENTY of ass [r230] . He was a regular Errol Flynn of Broadway the past year
- Does that mean boys or girls r232?
- He's very gay-friendly and an advocate but he always would say "As a STRAIGHT MAN it really upsets me that my gay brothers and sisters cannot get married". He always made sure to say "straight man".
The "ass" I heard knew about were all women.
- I believe Kazee has learned the lesson of Cristin Milioti and will not do underaged girls, no matter how much they beg and plead.
ANd what is wrong with talking to fans and getting some ego boost?
- No more about Max Von Essen other than he is trying to loose weight?
- Well now that Evita is closed I'm assuming that Max and Ricky Martin are no longer r236 . I do love me some Max though.
- Not sure I believe Steve Kazee's letter. For someone who did so much tweeting, it seems odd he would abruptly stop like that. And the cone of silence from the rest of the cast and the production is really odd, if the "vocal rest" story is true. The production went on record as saying he was on "vocal rest," so if that's all there was to it, then why be so hush-hush about it even after saying that?
And it's also weird that Cristin Milioti made a speech on the 1-year anniversary and didn't mention him at all. And that he didn't come back from LA at least to be in the audience at the last show for Cristin and the others. Unless they don't like each other or something.
I'm still believing the rehab story.
- There was indeed a bit more to it than just the vocal rest r238 there were negotiations going sour. Kazee DID have some "vocal issues" and needed rest but he also wanted certain things in order to stay in the show. Being out didn't affect tickets sales and so...there was no need to give in to his demands.
- "he also wanted certain things in order to stay in the show"
Other than the obvious - more money - what were the things he wanted? Are we talking about perks like a car to and from the theatre?
- Yes, do tell his demands.
And no, he was not in L.A. for pilot season this year. His fb has said L.A. for over a year.
- I don't know details [r240]. Probably money or only doing 6 shows a week. Who knows? He is incredibly talented and Once is still making money. Neither party really needed the other anymore. Apparently he had checked out mentally shortly after the Tony win anyhow.
But the guy's been though one heck of a ride this year. Break-up, death of mother, Tony win, break-up again. I don't believe the rehab rumors. I DO believe the rumors that he is a narcissist and can be difficult.
I also believe that it was way too taxing vocally as well. What he does vocally in the show should not be done 8 times a week.
- Oh please, R242...
- Does anyone know why Miss Patti insists on spelling her surname like that (with the capitalized "P" mid-word?) "Lu" is not a prefix (like "Di") in Italian; "lupone" is a word that means "big wolf."
- BECAUSE I CAN, bitch!
- I hate people who do affected things with the spelling of their name.
- [quote]lupone" is a word that means "big wolf."
God knows, she has the face of one.
- Casey Nicholaw was the understudy for Kevin Chamberlin in Seussical only 12 years ago and in the chorus of Millie 11 years ago. Now, he's a Tony winning director and choreographer who is now directing TV as well.
- How does Robert Lupone(LuPone) spell it?
- Who is Rory O'Malley's boyfriend?
- Robert LuPone spells it just like Patti does.
- maybe Patti has IsSues
- [quote] Does anyone know why Miss Patti insists on spelling her surname like that (with the capitalized "P" mid-word?) "Lu" is not a prefix (like "Di") in Italian; "lupone" is a word that means "big wolf."
You do know that Patti and Robert's REAL last name is Luponey, right?
- Not Luponi?
- I thought Once had a gentle score full of Oirish folk music. Why would that cause vocal strain? Probably more from standing outside in the cold for hours talking to fans, I'll bet.
- I'm watching this Kristen Chenoweth Live from Lincoln Center special. Man, she is affected. She thinks she is the cutest little thing that ever happened to America, but her big Toddlers and Tiaras head plugged onto that stick body just looks creepy. This is not a leading lady...she's fine in small doses, but watching this whole concert makes me want to play Angry Birds with her head as the target.
- Good christ, Sirius is playing Chita's "Wages of Sin" from Drood. She sounds drunk.
- Kristen Chenoweth is a supporter of George W. Bush and co-hosted the country awards with anti-gay marriage advocate Trace Adkins.
- [quote]I thought Once had a gentle score full of Oirish folk music. Why would that cause vocal strain?
You're not suggesting he's other than a well-trained, technically secure vocalist, are you?
- Merman sang Gypsy 8 times a week without a mic and never needed vocal rest.
I imagine Kazee's negotiations were mostly about outs to do film and TV work so it really wasn't worth it.
- Kristin is subbing for Kelli Ripa right now; she is more delightful in 5 minutes than she ever was during the entire hour concert.
- Well, there's no doubt that performing a lead in a Broadway musical 8x a week requires proper training and vocal stamina but I would've thought after a year in the role he would've built up his endurance for it and knew his way around the score. I mean, nobody, other than Merman perhaps, has an unlimited vocal capacity.
- Rory's bf is Gerold Schroeder - 26y/o in the PR business. they live in HK
- Kazee's newest tweet
"It's time for #marriageequality! Now and forever. In the end the bright light of Love always outshines hate. Always. #str8againstH8 #scotus"
and speaking of Kristi Dawn, did anyone else notice her sipping a "big Gulp" during her LFLC concert? Proving her anti-Bloomberg point?
- Boy, you guys let R161 give you some interesting news, without a comment?
I'll rephrase it it here, for all you TONY speculators: MOTOWN the Musical is poised to become the big, big hit of the season. And I mean BIG. Talented cast, great music, great spectacle, and the audience absolutely LOVES it.
- Dear God, the jukebox musical needs to just [bold]DIE[/bold] already.
- R265- And not one Tony Award because it won't need it. Or deserve it.
- Shill alert @ R265!
- Not to mention SHIT ALERT.
- Though I am sure it will be entertaining, there is nothing new creatively with the MOTOWN show. It is a jukebox show, no more, no less.
- R253 lies.
LuPone's father was Orlando Joseph LuPone. She was born Patti Ann LuPone. So she's not the one who made up the capital "P."
- Someone in another room was watching that annoying chipmok on PBS and I had to shut my door. That voice is like nails on a chalkboard. God, how anyone can listen to Kristi Dawn is beyond me. Remember when some woman went into convulsions whenever she heard Mary Hart speak on Entertainment Tonight? Well, I now understand it.
- Crystal Bowsercocks in Always Patsy Cline--theres some Broadway theatre for you
- [quote]I'll rephrase it it here, for all you TONY speculators: MOTOWN the Musical is poised to become the big, big hit of the season. And I mean BIG. Talented cast, great music, great spectacle, and the audience absolutely LOVES it.
It's "Smokey Joe's Café" of 2013!
- [quote]It's "Smokey Joe's Café" of 2013!
- Merman strained her voice singing the Gypsy score in the keys on the cast album. Not sure how long she took off, but she sang the score in a lower keys upon her return.
- Merman's keys on the cast album are actually a half step higher than the printed score. Everything was lowered another half step for Angela Lansbury (and Tyne Daly and all others that followed).
In other words: "Everything's Coming Up Roses" was in C natural on the album, B natural in the original printed score, and B flat in subsequent reivivals.
- As it's 10:03 now, this is already old news, but first person standing at Orphan's 1st preview's curtain call was none other than Shia LaBoeuf.
And he looked damn fine! Show was prety great, too.
- What;s new with Steve Kazoo?
- Motown will be this year's Jersey Boys and will run a very long time. It has two key audience targets, Baby Boomers and African Americans. It doesn't need a name star, the music is the star. Hopefully it will eventually attract young people so that this wonderful music will be reintroduced to generations to come.
- r280 is a shill go away...
- Not the Motown shill, but I do think that no matter how shitty Motown is, it will run for a while. Like Rock of Ages or Jersey Boys it has a built in audience of non-traditional theatregoers who have no care in the world what the New York Times says or thinks.
- R275 Or "Ain't Misbehavin'"
Did Audra get pissed when Kristi Dawn did two of "her" songs?
- Steve Kazee needs to pose shirtless.
- The Assembled Parties is a mess of a play. It meanders and goes on tangent and has characters you don't care about in the first act that disappear in the second act, so you wonder, why bother?
But it has two great performances by Jessica Hecht and espeically Judith Light who ups her bitchy aunt performance in ODC to a bitchy aunt on steroids in TAP.
Dame Brantley will ejaculate all over this play. And Jake Silberman doesn't even take off his shirt (although he is in a robe that slips once in a while).
- Well, yeah, R280. I just hope that all parties involved are aware that they're not watching a show, they're watching a oldies concert with minimal staging/plot.
- I just did a Google image search for Steve Kazee, and the very first result was a pic of Jeremy Jordan!
- r284 if you are Facebook friends with him there is a video of him using a shakeweight and shirtless from about a year and a half ago - maybe two years.
- Jonny Orsini (Nathan Lane's love interest in THE NANCE who gets naked) - straight or gay?
- MOTOWN is this season's BABY IT'S YOU.
- Seems that Gavin Creel missed last night's performance of Mormon in London and scheduled to return tomorrow - reason given is laryngitis.
- I told you he didn't have the voice for this score.
- KINKY BOOTS = BOFFO, my friend at the gym saw it and loved it, said the songs by Ms. Lauper are very catchy!
- The guy who wrote ONCE was embarrassing on CBS Sunday Morning last week, blubbering about someone on camera who died, plugging that insipid, boring musical of his. The songs are shite, pure dirges. Kinky has much better songs!
not Cyndi or anyone remotely connected to her show
- Has anyone had or has dish on the gorgeous John Paul Young of JERSEY BOYS? He pings quite loudly and my face seats four!
- [quote]my face seats four!
Chins don't really count, though your honesty is refreshing.
- [bold] Kristin Chenoweth Says Dates Being Hammered Out for ON THE TWENTIETH CENTURY [/bold]
- Paul Giamatti's Hamlet trashed by Lady Isherwood as "dull and lifeless".
There are many words I'd think of in response to Paul Giamatti's acting - Dull and Lifeless not being among them.
Just for the record, Lady Isherwood has raved over the recent shitfests "Life and Times" and "Hands on a Hardbody".
- hammering and chenoweth in the same sentence are a dietary suppressant
- r286 I don't think the producers give a rat's ass if the people in the seats are there for a concert or a musical play. Their cash is green, either way. Come down off the mighty theater pedestal, live theater is live theater. If a story is being told, then it's musical theater.
- R299, I love Paul Giamatti but it is absolute folly (er, vanity) to cast him as Hamlet. I mean, c'mon. Maybe Hamburger Hamlet.
- Paul Giamatti was so badly cast as John Adams-way too ethnic and fugly. Good actor but only when he's well cast.
- Has Kathleen Chalfant ever played a lesbian on stage?
- [quote]Well, yeah, [R280]. I just hope that all parties involved are aware that they're not watching a show, they're watching a oldies concert with minimal staging/plot
Yeah, and as R301 says, unclench. Revues have been a part of Broadway since the beginning with Ziegfeld, billy Rose, George White's "Scandals" and Earl Carroll's "Vanities." Phil Silver's "Top Banana" "New Faces of 1934, 1936, 1943, 1962, and 1968", "Side By Side By Sondheim" "Eubie!" "Five Guys Named Moe", "Smokey Joe's Café", "Ain't Misbehavin'" and so on.......
- R305 I'm hoping there's a sequel called "Five 'Mos Named Guy."
- Anyone see Chad Allen and Jeremy Jordan in "The Little Dog Laughed"
did they get naked?
- R305, there's a big difference between a revue and the shit known as a jukebox musical.
Revues at least contained music originally written for the show, not hit songs dredged up from Tin Pan Alley and plopped into them.
- Yeah we get it, you don't like "Jukebox Musicals" but Revues are still not book musicals and have been around forever so just shut up already.
- So, R305/309, other than [bold]SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP[/bold], did you have a point?
- BREAKING Mega Flop GiGi is being revived in the 2013-14 season at a theater yet to be announced
- [quote] BREAKING Mega Flop GiGi is being revived in the 2013-14 season at a theater yet to be announced
That show KILLED me!
- No Aggie, my falling air conditioner killed you so I could replace you.
- "The Assembled Parties is a mess of a play. It meanders and goes on tangent and has characters you don't care about in the first act that disappear in the second act, so you wonder, why bother?"
Sounds like a typical Richard Greenberg opus.
- Stories about young females pairing off with older men just don't go down that well with audiences in 2013 (viz. Lolita, Breakfast at Tiffany's, Gigi, The Most Happy Fella, The Baker's Wife.)
- Anyone seen previews of A Trip To Bountiful?
- Flap over "The Flick" at Playwrights Horizons:
- R315 Oh no! I'd better stop working on "Anna Nicole: The Opera."
Its been done already.
- Having read all the comments, I still don't understand why there's such a flap at PH. You'd think no one has ever disagreed about a play before.
- I think the problem is that the people doing the complaining are the sort of older, entitled windbags who demand that everything be catered to them and if it's not, there will be HELL to pay.
"It's people like ME who make theatre possible, so give me what I want, damn it!"
- Because some old fart subscribers were threatening to cancel subscriptions. And frankly, if a play you didn't like is reason enough for cancelling, good riddance.
- R320, I agree.
I did a play at PH called "When She Danced". The play involved Isadora Duncan's household where everyone spoke a different language. Huge chunks of the dialogue was in Russian, Greek, French, and German- often all at once. The audience was really angry that they could not understand what was being said. There were massive walkouts, particularly husbands dragging their wives out of the theater. After that, Flick sounds pretty harmless.
- [R318], Trip to Bountiful doesn't start previews until Saturday night.
- I remember When She Danced r323! Wasn't that during Liz Ashley's drugged out era? Do you have any good stories about her?
- All this sludge is boring compared to the news that Steve Krazee has been, well, resurrected and is taking advantage of social networks once again. Now that's really news!
- What annoys me about Isherwood's article on PH and THE FLICK is that he acts like the only reason people don't like it is the length.
Well, I didn't like it because it was incredibly tedious. There's about 80 minutes (at most) of real content in THE FLICK and it's streteched out due to, IMO, a mistaken slavishness to what Baker and Gold consider verisimilitude. The characters just aren't interesting enough to carry the weight of that length.
There are plenty of excellent 3-hour plays I've seen where there are no walkouts: LONG DAY'S JOURNEY, VIRGINIA WOOLF, any number of Shakespeare's plays. But those plays have a richness of content and strong dramatic construction that keep you engrossed.
- R325, actually, she was not medicated at all. However, I think she had a "good behavior" clause in her contract. I know that they really wanted Penny Fuller for the role. We found out later that her agent or manager had never told her about the offer.
She did belt the stage manager on one occasion. I can't remember why.
She actually was pretty stage savvy if you could get past the crazy.
She also stole all of her costumes after the show.
- those idiot subscribers complaining about "The Flick" can and should go fuck themselves.
He should have written a letter encouraging the old fucks to remember what NON PROFIT theater is about and to remind them their subscription supports NON comercial theater.
I haven't seen this play but when you buy a subscription you buy it in part to support the theater. I never like every play in my subcriptions but I am happy that non-profit theater exists to try new things.
- LOL!! I love you both R312, R313!
Karin Wolfe, in the disguise of kcguy
- why would they revive GiGi when it was a massive, expensive FLOP?
- Though I disliked THE FLICK, I agree with R329. Everything else PH has done this season has been worthwhile.
- So I can go to Broadway.
- Gigi and Can Can--wake me when its all over
- If artistic directors had to write letters after the audience didnt like the plays they were producing-then that would all Scott Elliott would be doing
- Are they doing GiGi the musical or the play?
Terese Stevens, I would have made it a hit!
- GiGi the Musical!
- HANDS ON A HARD BODY closing this weekend??
That means GiGi will have a theater!
- Smokey Joe's Cafe and Ain't Misbehavin didnf include music written for the play and John LLOYD Young is straight. Geesh.
- Maybe GiGi will use the reduced orchestrations and be produced as a small scale chamber musical as in London. I saw a regional production with Darcie Roberts and Thom Sesma, It was quaint. Nothing more, nothing less. But it wasn't the full out blowout affair that the Alfred Drake, Karin Wolfe, Agnes Moorehead, Maria Karnilova version was at the Uris.
Not Sandahl B.
- "I think the problem is that the people doing the complaining are the sort of older, entitled windbags who demand that everything be catered to them and if it's not, there will be HELL to pay."
Or maybe these are the same sophisticated, informed patrons of the arts who attend the opera, ballet, symphony, museums, etc. and have the good taste and erudition to protest overhyped nonsense when they see it. That said, I know at least a dozen people from every economic demographic who have seen THE FLICK and all of them, to a man (or woman), HATED it.
- GIGI at the Uris was an overblown and ugly boring mess. The material is better than that production showed, and in spite of some casting that would seem inspired, the French aspect just wasn't there.
Karin Wolfe was not pretty enough, young enough or talented enough for GiGi. Wasn't she rumored at the time to be having an affair with Lerner? Though why he would bother with her is still a mystery.
I'd love to see it get a beautiful production but if Eric Schaeffer is directing (which is non-directing), what hope is there?
- SUTTON FOSTER IS GIGI!
- Are you all aware that Tuck Everlasting is about to go into rehearsal without the guarantee of a theater?
They want one of the bigger houses but none are available now. I guess the Marriott Marquis is their best hope but the Jeckies may keep that one occupied through the summer.
Or Hardbody....which theater is that one occupying? Is it big enoug for Tuck?
AKB, I'm Tuck!
- I will be curious how GIGI will be received in this day of Grrrl Power. Gigi is about the most least empowered female character in musical history. I don't see the 12 year old girls begging to see Gigi, nor do I see the super-moms buying tickets.
- [quote]why would they revive GiGi when it was a massive, expensive FLOP?
Yeah, why would they do something like that?
- In this version, Gigi will save Gaston and teach him to be socially aware, giving his money to the poor people of Paris.
- r347 you don't know how right you are.
- Actually, r345, that's not really true. Gigi turns the tables on Gaston and
her grandmother and aunt. She falls in love with Gaston, but refuses to be his mistress, which is what the arrangement is that her grandmother and aunt have prepared.
At the end, Gigi is very much empowered - she holds out for what she wants, and she gets it.
- Gigi's a whore, darlin'
- Steve Kazee dating a (male) political comedy producer???
- This can all be solved by having a man play Gigi and a woman play Gaston.
- So maybe Kazee's lack of tweeting was because he was taking time out to learn the art of sucking cock?
- R349, the message is still "a woman is nothing without a man".
- Anderson Cooper is Gooch!
- How could the '70s GIGI have been ugly when the sets were by Oliver Smith?
- Because Oliver Smith was in his 90s in the 70s.
- "In this version, Gigi will save Gaston and teach him to be socially aware, giving his money to the poor people of Paris."
- "Steve Kazee dating a (male) political comedy producer???"
Have you heard this from a reliable source, r351? All I ever hear is that he's a major pussyhound (though not a big Bush supporter).
- What is a political comedy producer? Works for Jon Steweart or Colbert?
- A male political comedy producer? Frank Rich? (I wouldn't be surprised.)
- Or Mark Russell!
- [quote]"In this version, Gigi will save Gaston and teach him to be socially aware, giving his money to the poor people of Paris."
- R353 don't tell MikeR! He'll remove Steve from his Facebook friends.
- Remove him? Hardly. Kazee going gay would be a dream come true to MikeR. He'd probably give him the blowjobs instructions himself.
- c'mon, no male on Broadway is a major pussy hound. They may dabble in bisexuality but they are not exclusive to pussy.
- They need to rewrite it and have Gigi rescue Fantine from her plight and then change Gaston into the Beauty and the Beast character of the same name. That'll bring in the little girls.
- Bitching about THE FLICK? Shit, I suffered through ARTS AND LEISURE with Harris Yulin years ago. I got battle pay.
- "If artistic directors had to write letters after the audience didn't like the plays they were producing-then that would all Scott Elliott would be doing."
I love you, R335 ;-)
- Speaking of theaters who know their target audience, isn't it great that LCT advertises on DL? Who here doesn't want to see ANN or that Richard Nelson play directed by deaf-loving he-man, David Cromer.
- Doesn't it seem likely that Sierra Boggess will play Gigi?
So there will be a "presentation" in early May of Robin Hood: The Last Adventure with book by Thomas Meehan, lyrics and direction by Martin Charnin, music by Stephen Sipos (I think that's his name). It's set about 20 years after Robin and Marian met and fell in love and they will be played by Anthony (Daddy Warbucks)Warlow and...Shelly Burch. Did Charnin manage to wrest his former ladylove away from The Church and back to showbiz? This one sounds intriguing.
- GIG will be somehow equated to GIRL POWER if you cant appeal to teenage girls, why produce anything
- I don't care who plays Gigi as long as it isn't Kelli O'Hara.
- Finally watched Kristi Dawn's Cheno's BWAY'S DAMES.
Good lord, what a waste of time.
I've enjoyed her at times (in small doses), but that was just weak.
Bad song selection, uneven vocals, and a real lack of thought or organizing concept. It might have been okay for a cabaret evening at the Metropolitan Room, but was underwhelming for someone of her stature, in that venue, and (really?) for GREAT PERFORMANCES.
- Sierra is too tall and too old for GiGi.
GiGi should be played by an unknown.
- "So there will be a "presentation" in early May of Robin Hood: The Last Adventure with book by Thomas Meehan, lyrics and direction by Martin Charnin, music by Stephen Sipos (I think that's his name). It's set about 20 years after Robin and Marian met and fell in love..."
Sounds like James Goldman's ROBIN AND MARIAN, with Sean Connery and Audrey Hepburn.
- Yes, Gigi has to be an unknown. It worked for me.
- Unless Laura Osnes wants to play Gigi.....
God knows, she's played every other musical ingenue the last few seasons....
- R371 why do you say "former ladylove?" Charnin and Burch have been married since 2006, she is anything but former.
- [quote]Did Charnin manage to wrest his former ladylove away from The Church and back to showbiz? This one sounds intriguing.
Charnin and Shelley Burch have been married for some time. They live in Seattle.
- Shelly Burch got divorced and then got depressed over giving up her career for the church and her ex-husband. She looked up Charnin to try and get back in the business.
- Presenting of hole at Robin Hood?
- So Shelly Burch gave up the church for Satan.
- Wesley Taylot and Adam Chandler-Berat making out in a montage. How cute is that? Except that person is never the top. NEVER.
- Lionel Bart tried to musicalize Robin Hood and we all know how that turned out.
- But I love TWANG!!!
- Robin Hood didn't work out for Kevin Costner or Russell Crowe.
Or for Mel Brooks, either. When Things Were Rotten/Men in Tights.
- Christ. GIGI is the new MAME.
- Wasn't Kevin Costner's version a huge hit, r387? (Not that that has any bearing on the prospects of a Martin Charnin musical version...)
- R380, I know both Martin and Shelley well and they moved to NYC right after his buyout for the ANNIE revival....he got 5M NOT to direct the current revival.....and Shelley did pursue Martin after her divorce - she was in the original company of ANNIE as we all know, the second Grace Farrell, and still has her chops- great in her cabaret show....alot ALOT going on there with those two....Martin also "inherited" Shelley 3 kids- tweens and teens at the time- when they started their relationship and Seattle was simply not his bag- she made him move there for her kids sake- but now that they're grown back to NYC for them...and the money keeps rolling in, thank god, as he went broke paying off his ex - she got everything- and I mean everything.....
- First of all, are we realy to believe that Annie's producers could afford to pay Charnin 5 milion dolars to do nothing?
Secondly, if that's not true, how is the money rolling in now for Charnin? Even if he's getting royalties on the current Annie revival, the show hasn't and probably won't turn a profit so the royalties aren't huge.
- The question we should be asking -- given that this is nominally a gossip board and all -- is what happened between Sanford and Baker/Gold to make him go out of his way to distance himself from them and throw them under the bus, as they say on Top Chef. That's the answer to why do this for The Flick when it hasn't been done for countless other shows with much less artistic merit -- but the untold story is how their arrogance and refusal to listen to any input outside their own hipster bubble created this situation in the first place.
- R391- I dont care if you believe it or not- the only reason the revival happened was that Martin held out to direct,and when they finally told him point blank NO, his asking price was met. Also, the show does not have to turn a profit for royalties to be paid, and his are enormous.
- Shelly Burch is a right-wing Republican.
- GiGi went on tour in 1985 with Louis Jordan reprising his role from the movie.
- RIP Richard Griffiths. I thought he was older than 65. He always looked like he going to die during each performance.
Will DeVito Sunshine Boys recast now that US preemeire was announced?
- While reading "Shelly Burch" on this thread, I've been picturing this.
- r393 I believe you, but the idea of a Hollywood film company paying $5 million, essentially for nothing, would seem surprising in today's economy. So the idea of a Broadway company paying $5 million is so shocking I would have expected the NY Times, or at least Michael Riedel would have reported it. Someone would have leaked it, especially if one of the recipients was an intense Republican)
- Haha r397, I too was confusing Shelly Burch and Shelley Bruce, and thinking how sick it was that he married one of the girls who had played Annie...
- [quote]Or maybe these are the same sophisticated, informed patrons of the arts who attend the opera, ballet, symphony, museums, etc. and have the good taste and erudition to protest overhyped nonsense when they see it.
Nonsense. In NYC, the overwhelming majority of the audience for ANY of the things you mention is incredibly conservative and lacking in imagination--it's the main reason arts organizations here as so timid. They want nothing but the worst, most predictable rehashing of old hits, and get up in arms the second something hits the stage that seems even slightly more contemporary than Bernstein's "Candide."
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about, or are 89 years old.
- r395, no, actually, that was Louis Jourdan and he was playing Maurice Chevalier's role!
Louis Jordan would have been interesting casting though.
- [quote] what happened between Sanford and Baker/Gold to make him go out of his way to distance himself from them and throw them under the bus
I'm wondering the same thing. I don't think Sanford cares if some subscribers are pissed (at the end of the day PH is still one of the leading theatre orgs in the world), this sounds a lot more personal between the two of them. Subscribed REALLY didn't like Neva at the Public and it's just going away earlier, you don't see Eustis writing a letter, etc. I wonder what impact this will have on Baker's career.
- r402, if Annie takes away the lesson that artistic integrity and respecting the audience's limits in terms of tedium are not incompatible, it could be the best thing that's ever happened to her.
- You may love TWANG!, but it was a colossal flop that (to my knowledge) has never been revived anywhere.
- As lyricist of ANNIE, Charnin gets 2% of the box office gross from every production - professional, community, high school, whatever (that's the Writers Guild minimum).
If the current revival pulls in $500,000 a week, he gets $10,000 a week in royalties.
- "The only reason people consider something to be experimental theater is if its concepts are too marginal or academic for people to understand, or if it's an ego-driven project. In other words, they call it 'experimental,' if, in some way, it's not working. The word is a criticism. When you use it, you're admitting that the artist did not convey whatever he was trying to say in a format that a large group of people might find involving."
- Nothing you've said, r406, disproves what I stated. NYC is notorious for being incredibly conservative when it comes to the arts. That you would even bother arguing that proves you have little experience of them. Everyone is entitled to criticism--but all of the forms mentioned (ballet, opera, symphonic music) dare not bother with the sort of experimentation your statement wants to assume is happening and trying to pass off as "experimental." IT IS NOT HAPPENING. Gilbert tried to bring contemporary music to the NYPhil with extremely limited success and much grousing; new productions that differ much from the slavishly literal are routinely derided by the audience of the Met (and yes, the success of the Girard "Parsifal" and the Kentridge "Nose" actually ARE the exceptions proving the rule; that the Decker "Traviata" serves as an example of regietheater says all one needs to know about the conservatism of NY audiences); ballet is, almost by definition at this point, a mausoleum.
So carp all you like: audience complaints are NOT always expressions of informed dissent in this city. They are most often the griping of a privileged class that wants to be soothed by art that they attend as a means of maintaining for themselves their class status.
- Many subscribers are set in their ways when it comes to theater and resent anything outside their comfort zone.
- [quote]As lyricist of ANNIE, Charnin gets 2% of the box office gross from every production - professional, community, high school, whatever (that's the Writers Guild minimum). If the current revival pulls in $500,000 a week, he gets $10,000 a week in royalties.
Not necessarily. A first class revival is not going to be licensed through MTI or anything. If Charnin's contract is like anyone else's on Broadway, he gets a minimum (which probably hovers around $2,000 a week) until such time as the production returns its investment. Then you get your full 2% or whatever it is.
- "Gilbert tried to bring contemporary music to the NYPhil with extremely limited success and much grousing; new productions that differ much from the slavishly literal are routinely derided by the audience of the Met..."
And for good reason: they stink. And that includes the latest Parsifal (the ugliest I've seen), the Lepage Ring (THE white elephant of heavy lifting) and The Tempest (an endurance test of monotony after five minutes). I used to belong to many of the non-profits in town as well, but gave it up after sitting through season after season of dreary, uninvolving "cutting-edge" musicals and plays. Iconoclasm is pointless if you haven't mastered the basic fundamentals of craft and the ability to engage an audience.
- You bring up interesting and VERY true points r407, but as a 48 year old gay man who attends the ballet, symphony and opera, let me tell you it can be a very slippery slope once one departs from "conservative productions" to Eurotrash crap.
- Thank you, R410, for that unintentional glimpse into the conservative audience mindset.
- R410, I agree with you to a degree. I would also add the new production of Faust, la Sonnambula and the dreadful Peter Grimes. However, I like the new Traviata and it certainly isn't a traditional production. Of course, it is also an import. It was not developed by the Met.
I think the problem with modern music and art is that is often very exclusive. It is as if you need a secret decoder ring to understand it. It is created to keep people out and appeal to a very select group.
- R392, do you honestly feel that Sanford "threw Baker and Gold under the bus" in that open letter he wrote to subscribers? I didn't get that at all.
- If you found that Parsifal the ugliest you've seen, I can't help you, 410.
The Lepage Ring, on the other hand, is really a mess. Though I'd say it's hardly "modern" in that it doesn't bother to have much of an opinion on the material at all--it just has a big machine and some people who stand in front of it. The real disaster there is the direction, not the design. It might as well be a concert staging with elaborate projections.
413 is correct in naming three particularly crap recent Met productions. I'd add the Hoffmann as well. That being said, I'd never want to go on record as saying they should've stuck with the old ones, because I'll go to recitals at the other Met if I want to hear music in a museum. Some new things don't work--using that as an argument against new art is just old crankishness.
- "If you found that Parsifal the ugliest you've seen, I can't help you, 410."
I'll survive. But when Parsifal sings about the beauty of a hillside of flowers in the third act and all we saw was a sterile lunar landscape, one could only conclude this Parsifal was insane. Madness and delirium--how moderne! It's so...20th century!
Now back to discussions about MAME, GIGI and FOLLIES.
- R410, I am glad that you agree on my three crap productions, but I disagree on Parsifal. It is almost a parody of a Eurotrash opera.
Desolate design that has nothing to do with the author/composers intent but is inexpensive to make- check
Soprano in long black leather trench coat that fits everyone- check
Men in modern dress suits to save money on costumes, but barefoot or suits worn in another "deconstructed" manner to make it appear as if it was a design/director's choice rather than just cheapness- check
Inserting characters that are not in the libretto for political correctness- check (The entire female chorus on stage.)
Bizarre staging that does not support the libretto- check (The notion that one side of the trickle of water was the women's area and the other side was the domain of the men.)
The only redeeming thing about Parsifal was that the cast I saw was excellent. However, I would rather see one of the old productions, say the Macbeth which is very old fashioned two dimensional painted drops with new staging (and god help us new choreography) than see something like Parsifal. It looked like it was done by a very minor regional German opera house.
- [quote]Desolate design that has nothing to do with the author/composers intent but is inexpensive to make- check
Uncheck. The production will likely not return due to cost. If you don't like it, that's fine, but don't talk out your ass.
Your other points are perhaps most generously described as being a matter of taste.
- I'm disappointed in that coward Tim Sanford. How can he POSSIBLY live with himself trying to keep his motley subscriber base of artifacts by sending that idiotic letter. Whatever happened to letting the work speak for itself? THE FLICK was a highlight of an otherwise dismal off-Broadway season. (I'm talking to you, Public and Atlantic and Vineyard). So fuck all those who felt the need to threaten Playwrights with cancellation of their subscriptions. Give your money to hacks like Red Bull. But let Playwrights do its thing. and if I were Annie Baker and Sam Gold, I'd cut all ties to Playwrights for their pussy lack of support.
- R418, It was a shared production. It most likely won't return because Met subscribers did not like it. Don't believe everything you read.
- Wesand Adam are both bossy bottoms
- In related news, opera queens are absurdly annoying.
- Jennifer Holliday will be playing Effie one mo' time in August in Atlanta's Theater Under The Stars.
- Oops, I meant Theatre of the Stars.
- FYI: Bruce Norris' new play, The Low Road, for The Royal Court, clocks in at three hours. The Court sent an e-mail to members before it opened.
I think The Flick sounds good, the kind of thing I'd appreciate. Guess it's not for everybody. Nowadays people have no patience they just want to get everything over with.
- Well since black don't crack she can play it tell she's dead. If you don't have Michael Bennett directing and choreographing or Robin Wagner's set the next best thing is getting Jennifer Holliday as Effie. It really is her role; she fought for it and the developed the whole thing around her.
- [QUOTE] Well since black don't crack she can play it tell she's dead...it really is her role; she fought for it and the developed the whole thing around her.
I'm super confused by this, but honestly I've never seen it on stage, so maybe I'm missing something. When they cast Holiday (who BTW is 52) as Effie, do they cast Deena and Lorrell in their 50s? Are they supposed to be an inter generational group? Does Curtis discover them as adults? It must be super weird to be cast with people who weren't even born when you first took on this role.
- After agent fees, Writers Guild dues and taxes, Charnin and Shelly are hardly rolling it in right now.
The Periwinkle Ghost of Theoni V. Aldredge
- Oh for God's sake, when will the twats here stop assuming that people dislike THE FLICK only becuase of it's length?
A good 3-hour play justifies its length. A thin 80-minute play stretched out to 3 hours by a navel-gazing playwright and director does not justify its length.
- Wes Taylor strikes me as the kind of guy who always has a cock in his mouth - it's the only way to get him to shut up.
- Wes Tay-Tay really queened it up in his dance with Scott's little girl and Leslie Odom on this week's SMASH.
- [quote] I think the problem with modern music and art is that is often very exclusive. It is as if you need a secret decoder ring to understand it. It is created to keep people out and appeal to a very select group.
Does everything have to be aimed for the broadest possible audience for it to be valid, viable or considered a quality production?
Not a snipe/bitch, I'm sincerely asking as a point of conversation.
For better or for worse, we are moving increasingly into an age where "broadcasting" - the big shared TV/movie/music events - is shrinking, and "narrowcasting" - where a specific set of people are the target audiences for a play, show, movie or television show - is expanding.
- Loved Odom's number
- Listen up people! If you don't like/dislike the same things that R429 likes - you're a TWAT!
You sort of prove R321's point. And everyone else's.
- r430 I don't know anything about Wes, but he always struck me as probably being a real cunt.
- Of course the theater has to be constantly moving forward and trying new things or it wouldn't remain interesting and relevant, either to audiences or the people who create theater. But the whole epater le bourgeois thing is retro modernist bullshit. Wagner and Bunuel and Ionesco managed to push the boundaries of their mediums without boring the fuck out of their audiences.
- R436 Agreed.
I've seen this with some plays and a lot of movies. My friend and I used to call them "pooping in a bathtub."
Because that was what was passing for grand commentary, or edgy - some strung out twentysomething shitting themselves.
It happened in the Larry Clark movies, it happened with all of those Adam Rapp plays.
Note to creators: Someone's complete collapse is not a narrative to hang an entire show on!
- [quote] But the whole epater le bourgeois thing is retro modernist bullshit.
You sound pretentious.
- ***SUSAN HAYWARD as MAME question*****
For anyone who was involved with the Las Vegas tab production. I got an audio that was labeled Susan Hayward in MAME. It's a soundboard recording from the production at Caesar's. Listening to the recording, I don't beleive it's Hayward but Celeste Holm who was brought in to replace the star when she got sick. A friend told me that Susan Hayward never actually went on as Mame Dennis and had to leave during rehearsals. I never heard that. I tried Google for reviews or articles but didn't find anything except for some costume/ production photos that were likely taken during rehearsals.
If Miss Hayward did do the show, anyone know how long she played the role?
JANIS PAIGE is MAME
- Here's one article R439
- Thanks R440. I did find another article too. Appreciate it!
- And here's a cast list. Loretta Swit played Agnes Gooch.
- Why don't they ever do a revival of House of Flowers?
- Here you go, R439.
[quote] Susan Hayward in "Mame" played Dec. 16, 1968-Feb. 19, 1969 ... Celeste Holm took over as "Mame" Feb. 20-April 2, 1969 .
- There was an off-Broadway revival of House of Flowers in the 1980s, I think, which was a huge flop. It was also tackled by Encores with not much more success.
Like The Grass Harp, just be grateful for a glorious recording. Some shows are better heard than seen.
- Re: MAME Susan Hayward question. Thanks everyone! I knew I could count on you guys!
- Gooch: But Mrs. Burnside-- I want to live!
- House of Flowers at Encores could have been a lot better had they cast the lead with someone other than the humor-free Tonya Pinkins. There's no replacing the inimitable Pearl Bailey, but surely there was a better choice than Pinkins. Queen Latifah, perhaps?
- Maybe Diahann Carroll can play Pearl Bailey's role
- Someone tell me
Shogun: The Musical
What went wrong? That was suppose to be our version of Les Miz.
- R450, what was right? The show opened with sailors being boiled in oil. There was a Ninja number that was just WTF? The lead was awful. The source material was just not musical.
- Speaking of Richard Chamberlain miniseries-would "Thorn Birds" make a good musical?
- There will be a mention of House of Flowers in an upcoming episode of Smash which I think will amuse you.
- Actually, "Shogun, The Musical" had one of the most beautiful images I've ever seen on a stage. It was a moment when all these warriors on horseback came out of a mist heading straight towards the audience. I have no idea how they did it but it was breathtaking. The rest of it was pretty bad.
- Shogun, The Musical was suppose to rival Les Miz, as Broadway's version of an epic, sweeping pop musical.
So what went wrong that they couldn't stand up to Les Miz?
- A tab show?
They call it black bottom, a new twister, Sure got 'em, oh sister! They clap their hands and do a raggedy trot, it's hot!
- Old fellows with lumbago
And young fellows,
Away they go!
They jump right in
And give it all that they got!
- Who cares about the bathtub scene in Breakfast at Tiffany's. Give me gorgeous Jonny Orsini stepping out of a tub in The Nance any day. Gorgeous ass and thick cut cock on display for about a minute before he wraps a towel around his waist. Then he shows his ass again when he puts on his underwear. . Nathan Lane looks like he's going to faint at the sight. The boy can act too.
- With gorgeous cock, acting is a bonus but not a necessity .
- I hope that when the reviews for KINKY BOOTS come out, the critics take the idiot audience to task. I've never seen/heard a bigger collection of "look at me" reactions in my life. They're not reacting to the (wan) jokes or the (fabricated) emotions. They're getting high on the volume of their own participation.
It's a deadly dull, bargain bin show. The most inauthentic, soulless thing on Broadway right now. I expected so much more from Harvey Fierstein and Jerry Mitchell.... Oh, no, wait. I didn't.
- 'It's a deadly dull, bargain bin show. The most inauthentic, soulless thing on Broadway right now."
Just go back to listening to your "Merrily We Roll Along" album for the 800th time, Dear.
- Saw a preview for PIPPIN last night. It was pretty good. There were intense acrobatics in it, similar to Cirque De Soleil, so it is a different take on the material. Andrea Martin did a great job and she herself did some acrobatics at the end of her big number, and received almost a full standing O at the end of it all. The Lead Player is a woman, Patina Miller, but after the first song you forget all about Ben Vareen. The character of Pippin is played by Matthew James Thomas and he is adorable (I have a new crush) but his voice was just a bit off last night and sounding strained.
Charlotte D'Amboise and real-life husband Terrence Mann do good work here, but the best performer by far is Rachel Bay Jones who plays Catherine. Too bad we didn't see her until Act 2.
What struck me as odd was the enthusiasm of the audience, who cheered and clapped as the show began and didn't really stop throughout. It was a young crowd too. It felt a bit like I was at a Mama Mia Vegas act.
- Was anyone at The Trip to Bountiful last night?
- moritorium on musicals with drag queens
- Ben and Mamie split. Meryl is not amused.
- [quote]but after the first song you forget all about Ben Vareen.
If only such a thing was possible...
- So Ben is FINALLY admitting to himself he likes getting fucked? We saw that coming.
- Ben is hot as hell. Anyone see him in LES LIASONS DANGEROUSE? Ay yi yi yi!
- I went to the 3 1/4 hours of THE FLICK last night and I LOVED it.
It was very unusual in that it captured the mindset of the people most in the Manhattan audience never notice or even think about. In my opinion it needed every minute of its pauses and silent moments.
- Charlotte St. Martin is gonna have an orgasm tomorrow when the grosses come out. Record breaking numbers- lots of hits. Bad economy? HA! How high will ticket prices go after Motown, Matilda and Pippin open?
- [quote] Ben Vareen
I imagined this in the voice of Ann Miller.
Ben Vareen's carn cahb holders.
- Those Judy's Groceries guys need to make more Ann Miller videos!
- "Actually, "Shogun, The Musical" had one of the most beautiful images I've ever seen on a stage. "
Absolutely. Plus, how often do you hear a song about dildos on a Broadway stage?
- Who is Ben Vareen?
- I remember that SHOGUN horse moment as well. When people were going on and on about the WAR HORSE puppets, I would think about that beautiful, fantastic effect. I've never seen anything like it in my 25 years of attending New York theater.
- Too bad there is no footage R475
- Jeremy Jordan in little dog laughed.... meh... small penis.
It was only small because I locked eyes with you and it shrunk!
- KINKY BOOTS = PRISCILLA meets THE FULL MONTY (coincidentally or not, all Jerry Mitchell shows)
I guess every season Broadway needs a drag queen musical (cf. LA CAGE, PRISCILLA, HAIRSPRAY, and now....)
Alas, Billy Porter is no RuPaul.
- No one gets naked in Kinky.
- I KNOW, R480. What a waste of Stark Sands' beautiful penis.
- Benjamin Walker is officially DEAD in show business.
- "...how often do you hear a song about dildos on a Broadway stage?"
"That you use a squash for/
Or pumpkins are fun..."
- Stark Sands is a ridiculuous name.
- ...and a dull actor R484.
Boots is pretty awful, one boring lead and one RuPaul imitator do not make a good night of theatre.
- Did anyone see Cyndi and Harvey on the Times TV interview discussing KINKY BOOTS?
It was kind of endearing, but Cyndi is a little cray-cray. And she doesn't sound easy to work with. Harvey is clearly the voice of reason in that collaboration.
- Not a collaboration that worked unfortunately since I love them both.
- I wonder if they thought of RuPaul for the role. Can he sing live?
- Ann Nelson from 'Fame'
- Wow, R459, was that really John Slattery who flashed his cock in the Lisbon Traviata all those years ago? He (and I) must be getting old!
- RuPaul was in the Actors Fund HAIR benefit and cannot sing a lick-and could not remember the lyrics to a 1 minute song
JOhn Slattery in Lisbon--seriously hung
Was he given "Sodomy"? Was he replaced for the recording?
- That was really enjoyable, R486. I'm now trying to imagine little Cyndi Lauper holed up in her room with the cast album of My Fair Lady imitating Rex Harrison and being "grand."
- [QUOTE] Harvey is clearly the voice of reason in that collaboration.
No wonder it's fucked.
- What are the shows that might win a Pulitzer for 2012in the coming months? I looked over the shows in NYC and here's what I came up with.
The Big Meal
Rapture Blister Burn
Vanya and Sonia and Masha and Spike
The Great God Pan
The Other Place
- I'd vote for Bad Jews. Truly hilarious and smart play that didn't get enough attention (in spite of rave reviews) at Roundabout's tiny Underground space but I predict will really break out as a hit when they move it soon to the Laura Pels.
- 4000 Miles is 2 years old - doesn't qualify. Ditto The Other Place.
As with last year's winner, don't be surprised if the Pulitzer goes to a play that has not yet been seen in New York. There's lots of good original work being done in the regions.
- [quote]Not a collaboration that worked unfortunately since I love them both.
I felt the same way. But then when I was watching the KINKY BOOTS, I started to ask myself WHY I liked Harvey so much. As a writer, I mean. His list of credits is pretty dire when you start to think about it.
TORCH SONG is good, but then what? LA CAGE has a highly creaky book. LEGS DIAMOND, A CATERED AFFAIR and NEWSIES are all terrible. Just terrible.
I guess I just have so much fondness for him as a performer, I choose to forget how much I dislike his writing.
- You'd probably dislike Harvey, too, if you ever worked with him r498.
- Really? I'd heard he was nice. Do tell.
- And with the exception of NEWSIES, ALL of Harvey's writing beats the same dead horse - LOVE THE GAYS, WE ARE PEOPLE TOO NOT JUST FREAKS. He even shoehorned that into A CATERED AFFAIR, much to its detriment.
I'm not saying that's a bad theme, but Harvey's writing tends to hit audiences over the head with it far too much. Just like his drag queens, Harvey's writing doesn't know the word "subtlety."
- I just saw "The Nance"....what a bad play. Nathan Lane already looks bored. It did not even get a standing ovation, that says it all nowadays. I have always liked Lane but this was embarrassing. And it could have been great.
Johnny Orsini is a star in the making. I think he is the best on that stage. To the poster above who talked about Orsini's thick cock...how long has it been since you have seen a thick cock or a big one....or one for that matter. He is, however, great.
- RuPaul sang 'My Conviction' at the live performance of the Actors Fund Hair concert. And yes, mangled the lyrics in a way that rivaled Uggams' infamous "June is busting out all over" debacle.
- R503, I had forgotten all about that bit you're absolutely right. Ru really did bomb on the song, la-la-la-ing through parts and looking around to see if anyone would help. Charles Busch ended up recording the CD in her place.
- Is "The Nance" another "sad, sarcastic unloved clown with breaking heart" role for Nathan?
- Where's the laura osnes troll? I miss him trashing her. I like her BTW.
And where's Tyler Maynard and his big horse cock?
- THANK you, 474/Ben Vereen. I was going to do an "Oh Dear." Are people that misspell his name just - dumb? young? illiterate?
- Am I the only one who didn't know that Trip Cullman comes from SERIOUS money - cigar money, at that?
- [quote]And where's Tyler Maynard and his big horse cock?
The last we heard of Tyler (over a year ago!) he was spotted outside Becco with his tongue down Savananah Wise's throat. He was probably trying to distract her so he could take her phone.
Jessie Mueller's fur wrap at Tyler's apartment.
- I don't understand why Vanya and Masha and Spike or whatever it's called is even on Broadway, let alone a potential candidate for a Pulitzer. Woody Allen did the whole Russian literary parody first and funnier in LOVE AND DEATH 35 years ago.
- [quote]The last we heard of Tyler (over a year ago!) he was spotted outside Becco with his tongue down Savananah Wise's throat. He was probably trying to distract her so he could take her phone.
Hasn't Tyler stolen enough I-phones to eat better than the 'all you can eat' pasta special at Becco? Love Savannah - glad she got all that facetime during SMASH last week. She's fantastic.
- Best Actor nominees for the Tonys is highly competitive this year:
Tom Hanks, Lucky Guy
Nathan Lane, The Nance
David Hyde Pierce, Vanya and Sonya and Masha and Spike
Alec Baldwin, Orphans
Bobby Cannavale, The Big Knife
Alan Cumming, MacBeth
Have I left out anyone? Which of the 6 won't make it?
Shia, front row center
- Tracy Letts -Virginia Woolf
- R513. Yes, and Letts should win it.
- I don't think Baldwin will got a nom based on the fact that no one can stand him.
- r505, yeah, pretty much.
- R497-If a play from the regions does win the Pulitzer, it will inevitably come into NYC, get a truly bad production from either Playwrights or Second Stage that will have everybody wondering, "Who votes for these fucking things?"
My money's on Chris Durang.
- I think Durang has the best shot too. Lots of lousy plays have won Pulitzers. He won a PEN award earlier in the season, and was honored at Yale. I have a feeling this is his year.
- I think there's a lot of loyalty for Durang, but mostly a sense of relief that he actually wrote something funny and halfway decent this time.
- ROTFLMAO - So true!
Was August, Osage County a winner before it came to NY?
Otherwise The Kentucky Cycle and those plays by Spanish authors totally fit that description!
Otherwise I do not think a single play that won before it came to NYC got great reviews or even won a TONY.
- What about Clyborne Park? Was that off-Bway when it won?
August... was already on Bway when it won.
- Clybourne Park had closed off-Broadway (having completed its limited engagement) and was running in London when it won the Pulitzer.
Only then was it decided to bring it to Broadway, and that almost didn't happen, no thanks to Scott Rudin.
Populist comedies like Durang's rarely if ever even get Pulitzer consideration anymore; it's not a lifetime achievement award. I doubt if he'll make the short list this year.
I would not be surprised, however, if the short list contained at least one of the shows done by Lincoln Center in their new space upstairs. DISGRACED got a lot of attention and ended up getting many extensions due to good reviews and word of mouth.
- [quote]Even if he's getting royalties on the current Annie revival, the show hasn't and probably won't turn a profit so the royalties aren't huge.
HUH? I've never heard of this "minimum royalties until break-even" plan. I can assure you every show pays the creatives at least the standard minimum royalty payments each week regardless of the box office. Very rarely there is a story about how the creators are forgoing some payments while a show struggles to find an audience, but I think this is just PR as the shows always die quickly anyway.
I can guarantee that Martin Charnin is and has been receiving his contractual 2% per week of the Annie grosses since performance 1!
- Does the Pulitzer matter anymore? Did it ever?
- What about The Flick? The Whale? And that play with David Schwimmer that everyone loved? Are they eligible?
- The Schwimmer play, DETROIT, was a finalist a few years ago. The WHALE is eligible, but not THE FLICK for the award this year.
Durang was a finalist a few years back as well for MISS WITHERSPOON, so it may happen for VANYA.
I think this award may not help in the box office, but it does give a playwright cache.
- R462 is a parody post, right??
- Stark Sands really needs to get naked a lot more...
- R523, you're a bit off. Royalties are almost never paid on the gross, anymore. Once upon a time Charnin would have gotten his 2% of gross for writing/directing, but these days virtually everything is on a royalty pool based on weekly net profit. It's usually something like 40% of the profits, which is divided among all the royalty-receivers at whatever percentage their agent/lawyer has negotiated. In any case, however it's divided the authors' share must represent at least 17% of the net profit.
If there was no net profit in a given week, everyone gets a predetermined minimum payment. Many productions "amortize" now, which means they make a direct payment to the investors every week which is added to the running costs, but in that case the royalty calculation gets adjusted (because the profits are being artificially deflated) and post-recoupment, the royalty share goes up.
It's a trade-off - you get the money back to the investors faster, but you pay more in the long run to the royalty participants.
There is also a royalty waiver built in - for up to four weeks, the creators can all agree to forego their royalties (but they all have to - usually its in the contract that they preemptively agree so the producer just decides that it's happening). Presumably that's to weather a bad time, but in the few cases I've gotten a royalty, waiver means we're four weeks from closing.
And inflating the budget by $5M to make a direct payment to a bookwriter sounds suspicious to me. I can't believe any investor would agree to that - that alone adds another few months to recoupment. I'm sure he got something, but I have a hard time believing $5M without some definitive source. All the papers have to be meet SEC standards and everything disclosed, so surely it would have been remarked upon.
And from what I understand, the money Strouse and Charnin made from the Jay-Z remix of "Hard Knock Life" trumps what they've made on the show, believe it or not.
- [quote]Am I the only one who didn't know that Trip Cullman comes from SERIOUS money - cigar money, at that?
A lot of them do. That whole Harvard/Yale/Brown crowd that writes and directs all the not-for-profit shows; they mostly come from money. It's all coke and family summer houses and pretension.
On the one hand, who else could afford to work in an industry where a couple of ten thousand dollar commissions a year is considered a living? On the other hand, that lack of hunger (coupled with the ridiculously high self-esteem that comes of being born into money) leads to incestuous and affected trends. A bunch of rich kids licking each others' asses and entertaining no one.
- who's the bf?
- Now that Mamie is free from her husband, she should make a triumphant return to the stage playing Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
- Mamie IS Mame!
- who's the guys between Rubendall and Taylor.
- That's Tom (formerly Tommy) Berklund - very sweet guy, was in the "Normal Heart" tour and a replacement in the "Chorus Line" revival and has been the poster boy for more than one edition of Broadway Bares.
- Thanks r535!
- Have you seen the Masha, Sasha, Yadda Yadda Durang play yet? Kristene Nielsen is fantastic.
Her phone call in Act II is worth the whole show. Will for sure win featured actress Tony.
Julianne Moore at TKTS
- Assembled Parties is half baked-sorry Judith Light give back your Tony--cliche and ham fisted performance. Even The usually expert Jessica Hecht is lost at sea--is her character brain damaged? autistic? why is her performance so stilted and affected?
- Did you know that the extra 'A' in Rachael Ray's name is taken from the 'A' that Barbra Streisand dropped from her first name?
- Good Christ:
[quote]I have two post-its on page 133 of Secrest's Sondheim bio. (I don't want to try to count how many I have through the entire book.) The post-its on that page contain notes on statements in two successive sentences. The sentences are "Merman's only failure on Broadway in a thirty-year career had been her most recent show, Happy Hunting, in 1956. Her most recent Broadway success, Call Me Madam, in 1950, had been directed by Jerome Robbins."
[quote]The first post-it says, "Not really a failure, certainly no more than Stars in Your Eyes." The second one says, "Huh?", the huh? referring to the statement that Jerome Robbins had directed Call Me Madam. On page 150, Secrest includes Call Me Madam in a list of shows directed by Abbott.
- R529, Thomas Meehan wrote the book for Annie. What does he get?
- r539: And Denis O'Hare dropped the second 'n' in his first name following Barbra's example!
He said so
- Meehan is sitting pretty with royalties from ANNIE, THE PRODUCERS and HAIRSPRAY.
- But what percentage does the book writer get?Same as the lyricist and composer?
- "And Denis O'Hare dropped the second 'n' in his first name following Barbra's example!"
Her name was originally Barnbran?
- Right, I realized I said "bookwriter" when I meant "lyricist". The three creatives split that cumulative 17.56% of the net however their agents have negotiated it. I presume it's a pretty even split. I have no idea what "Annie"'s breakeven is - I'd guess probably in the $500-$600K range, but that's just a guess.
But for fun, last week's gross was $941,132 (which doesn't take into account credit card fees and other deductions.) If the weekly costs were $550K before royalties, that would make a profit of about $391K.
$234K would go to the investors, $157K would be split among the royalty pool. At least $68K needs to go to the writers, the remaining $89K is split between the director, designers, author of source material, orchestrator, producers - whoever has an agent good enough to get them cut into the pool.
The three writers presumably split that $68K pretty evenly, so Meehan's check for last week would have been around $23K, presuming my breakeven number is right.
If the production grossed less than $550K, the royalty participants would receive their contracted minimum.
This is rough back-of-the-napkin math and there are lots of other caps and clauses and things, but this is the rough idea.
- Thinking a little more, $550K is probably low for the breakeven. It's probably more like $650K, which would bump the author payments down to around $17K a week.
- Argh. Just checked my notes and it's actually 15.56% for authors, not 17.56%.
So, if the nut is $550K, each author gets around $20K. If it's $650K, they each get around $15K.
- OMG LET IT GO
- R529 is dramedy and his OCD flowchart! You can smell those savant-like posts a mile away.
- WHAT'S THEIR WEEKLY NUT?!?!?!
- Harvey has seduced everyone on Broadway with his weird charm, especially Michael Riedel. Don't expect them to tell the truth about the book for KINKY. They won't say how average it is.
- But how much does Kathleen Chalfant's GF receive weekly?
- Word on the street is that Steve Krazee takes all the royalties from these boring entries and that's how he's spending his newfound free time.
Soon..soon..a new theater gossip thread will be starting. Let's get some real gossip going instead of the armchair accounts society. Please.
- Fellas, if I were you, I'd avoid my theatre board today. My people are clammering all over each other in their attempts to come up with cute and clever silliness for April Fool's Day.
- oh, ann, if only i'd heeded your warning:
STREISAND ON CHATTERBOX!!!
Posted by:\tmlop 02:34 pm EDT 04/01/13
Seth Rudetsky has managed to get Barbra Streisand to do Chatterbox next month. Her son Jason has been following the show on line and told his mom all about it. She said she would do it! Anything for Broadway Cares. They may have to do it at a larger room because it is too small a place and all the club are fighting over where. As soon as they set the date and time and place.....a press release will be issued.
The cover charge will be $25 which will be a donation.
- dramedy, is that yuo?
- Hands on a Hardbody is posting tom'w night. Decision made today.
- Interesting how you guys gossip freely about Cherry Jones and Sarah Paulsen. But when it comes to Kathleen Chalfant, you guys are tight lipped.
- Michael Urie is giving the performance of the season in "Buyer And Cellar" Now, this is a one man show that should be on Bway, not that fucking Alan Cumming piece of shit.
Plus, you'll be laughing your ass off.
- Forget Kathleen Chalfant. Now, Bernard Delfont, who's his gf?
- if I had to sit through that Alan Cumming Macbeth Id claw through the arm rests-15 min a week as Eli Gold is more than enough
- i would have liked it better if it was Hands on a Hard Booty
- We need to solve one mystery at a time.
Kathleen was first in line.
When we find out who her gf is, then we can move on to Bernard Delfont
- THE BIG KNIFE is no GOLDEN BOY.
- Urie is incredibly hot in "Buyer And Cellar", but sadly, has no ass.
It's ok, I can overlook that.
- God I hate that pit the Rattlestick Theater. Old, dirty, the toilet is ONSTAGE (so good luck if you have to pee once the show starts) and the seats are old and uncomfortable. Why don't they just take over the Cherry Lane, which is all refurbished, since they use it all the time anyway?
- Who on earth is paying for Alan Cumming's vanity project?
- Ken Davenport is paying for it.... now i think he actually may be in love with Alan
- Is Ken Davenport queer? He's sorta hot.
- I think Ken D. is VERY hot. Even though I'll never get him, would still love knowing he's into the homosex.
- I once did wardrobe for a show at The Cherry Lane THeatre. The ceiling was so low on stage that the lights were just inches away from the actors' heads making them insufferably hot in the summer months. Lots of laundry between shows and no washer/dryer in the building.
In the union now!
- R572 did you ever work with Kathleen Chalfant?
- Alan Cumming should do a one-man Rocky Horror. That I'd pay to see.
- Judging by DL, Alan Cumming seems to be quite disliked. Why is that? Is he a diva or something?
- Cumming is actually quite nice. But DL being DL...
- Alan Cumming is one of the most talented, dynamic actors today. He can sing or dance or act better than almost anyone while always being trendy and cutting edge. Of course he is openly gay so he gets dumped on him here!
- I need to get my weekly nut.
- Alan Scott is an authority on EVERYTHING.
- Aaaaaannnd....Brantley doesn't love LUCKY GUY.
- No, it's because he is skeevy that he gets dumped on.
You can see the body odor.
- a little Alan Cumming goes a long way
- John Slattery back when he was showing off his big dick in Lisbon Traviata.
- More young John Slattery
- Why is John Slattery married to George Clooney's discard?
- KINKY BOOTS is dreadful.
It's a Vegas show without the charm.
Someone needs to tell Harvey Fierstein that's it not 1973 anymore.
Jerry Mitchell is such a hack of a choreographer.
Why on earth did they bother setting it in England? Whatever, the movie happens in England, but who's seen the movie? And who'd care, anyway? Not a single actor can land a British accent. Poor Stark Sands can't get anywhere near it. Ditto Billy Porter, who, by the way, has no charisma. Zero.
Annaleigh Ashford is fun and is probably going to win a Tony. She provides the only comic moment.
Are we not completely done with the clichéd thing about nobody's more of a man than a guy in a dress?
Of course, the audience LOVED IT. An audience of idiots, congratulating themselves.
The songs are not unpleasant, but they literally go in one ear and other the other. That's not of course rare for a Broadway musical since about 1982, but still.
- Annaleigh Ashford ain't winning no Tony.
Andrea Martin without a net
- I don't think you understand what "literally" means, r586, or what the figurative expression really is.
- Oh, Andrea Martin, okay.
Annaleigh Ashford'll be nominated, though, surely?
I saw a Wednesday night performance, and I guess they'd all already done a matinee, but none of them could get all the way up to their high notes, and their voices sounded tired.
And Lauper has written a score that is mean to punish Billy Porter. Does Fierstein not know how to craft a book around a diva? Aren't you supposed to give your Big Belting Star a little down time between show stoppers? Like, a patter song here or there, to save her voice?
Wow, and the Act 2 plot decisions are LUDICROUS. Suddenly they decided to turn Stark Sands's character into someone he's not, just in order to serve the plot, and in order to give the poor guy a truly embarrassing AMERICAN IDOL star turn. The song makes no sense, and it's boring. I liked Stark Sands in AMERICAN IDIOT, but he seems to have plain run out of charm for this one.
- Did anyone see "Lucky Guy" tonight?
- "meant to punish," not "mean to punish," oops
r588, where were your raised? Mars?
The phrase is, "Went one ear and out the other."
Surely you've heard it?
It means, "I don't remember a word/note of what you said/sang."
"Literally went in one ear and other the other" means Lauper's music doesn't stick in your memory, even as you're hearing it. Not unpleasant, but instantly forgettable.
- Wow, typos:
Where were you raised.
Went in one ear and out the other.
- So is Hanks out of Tony contention?
- oh, ladies
It's "in one ear and out the other." and the music isn't literally doing that. no music can literally go out of either ear.
- r594, that's what I SAID: in one ear and out the other.
How do you queens ever enjoy Broadway theater? You are so thoroughly lacking a sense of humor, a light touch, a sense of irony, spontaneity, grace, an ability to take pleasure in anything except naked guys - except that's not even pleasure, that's hostile, angry, yearning, competitive rage.
- No, they'll nominate both him and Midler just to make nice.
- Tom Berklund is charming, and sex on a stick. We are at the same agency, and see each other in the office every now and then. They really want to get him on a tv show. He can act I hope. I'm sure he had one of those two very small roles in The Normal Heart. Why not? I'd take one look at him and give him the part, he's pretty dreamy.
- Hope OP's almost ready with #108!
- #108, freshly served -
- I like "Steve Krazee." Clever and obvious at the same time.