Anyone sail on Cunard ships here? What's with the suggested dress?
Cunard recently announced an overall "dress code" change for voyages. Transatlantic crossings will soon have only three formal/black-tie/gown nights; cruises will have only two; all remaining evenings on all three ships are to be more informal.
The new dress code forgets past codes of "Semi-Formal" and "Elegant Casual." The evening dress suggestions now are Formal and Informal. The big change is for the men on Informal nights: jackets are required and ties are optional.
Much is flying around now about the "dumbing-down' of Cunard. Anyone have any thoughts or experience or know about this?
Civilization as we knew it is over. At least we still have Brancusi's portrait of Nancy Cunard.
They're owned by Carnival Cruises. And even if it's a different category of cruise, the Carnival experience tells the corporation what's profitable and what's not.
These are floating shopping malls.
Why would anyone with even a smidgeon of intellect or common sense or good judgment or adult sensibility go on a cruise or even be remotely interested in a cruise?
I was on the Queen Mary several years ago and it was pretty much as you described. It's a fantastic boat. Utterly spectacular.
Their sales must be slipping.
I have sailed on the QM2 a few times and the quality has gotten a little worse each time.
What a judgy queen you are R5. Cruises can be a lot of fun. Personally I wouldn't want to go on a party boat like Carnival but Norwegian was really nice and the Disney Boats are fantastic for a family vacation.
Sailed on the QM2 from NYC to Southampton ( they call it a "crossing" not a "cruise") it was brilliant. The formal/semi-formal dress code wasn't a hassle, some men wore dark suits not dinner suits. The world didn't end.
Cruised on the Queen Vic around the fjords of Norway last year. No sign of dumbing down, but definitely a different feeling/demographic to the cruise vs the crossing.
R5 aka Judgy Queen: Just a few things. Unpack and pack once. Quite economical considering travel, lodging and meals are included. Port lecturers are usually college professors with extraordinary insight into destinations and their history. Opportunity to meet other travelers with interests similar to yours.
You don't sound fat, but you do sound provinical.
R10, for how long do you get off the ship at each destination and explore that destination/town/city?
I'm not provincial at all.
I survived the Titanic
I travel all over Europe and have access to literally hundreds of IP addresses.
Trying to ban or block me will only make it worse.
I am harmless.
Get over yourself.
Future DL thread: "I'm sailing on Titanic 2 next week, what should I wear that won't clash with the period decor?"
R5 / R10 Not provinicial, eh? That's a pretty dumb question from someone who denies a "smidgeon [sic] of intellect or common sense or good judgment or adult sensibility" to those of us who enjoy cruising.
It depends, of course, on the destination and the cruise line. In fact, the amount of time you want to spend ashore is one of the many factors to take into consideration when selecting a cruise. For most ports, it's early morning to late afternoon. Sometimes, the ship docks overnight so you have two full days in places like St Petersburg or Buenos Aires.
Is that enough time to get an in-depth perspecive on the city? Of course not, but it's enough time to decide if you're OK checking it off your bucket list (Helsinki, Torremolinos, just about anyplace in the Carribean) and those places to re-visit when you have the time to do it justice (Australia, Estonia, so many more).
Judgy Queen at R11. Sorry.
Even on Formal nights, a dark suit with a white shirt and dark tie is acceptable. The tie need not be a solid black tie, altho that would be fine.
One can always liven the suit up with something elegantly formal but still a tie.
Of course a tuxedo is best but these other options are acceptable.
For women, you can never go wrong with a regular street length cocktail dress. Wearing the right kind of jewelry makes all the difference.I would advise one long gown. Remember. WIth the right accessories the simplest dress will look elegant. And equally important, fabic is everything.
Sounds pitiful, R15.
Early morning to late afternoon at a destination? ridiculous and absurd.
When the ship is finished a day stop and it's time to depart, what happens if people are late getting back? Does it wait for them (and if so, how long)?
Even some of the lines more upscale than Cunard have relaxed dress codes. YMMV, but getting dressed up and making sure my tie is on right is the last thing I wanna worry about on vacation.
This cruise goes up the coast of West Africa. I'd love to do it.
People are so fucking lazy nowadays. So many fraus dress like garbage and then spend hours a day Jessie Chastain's outfits on people.com while they're supposed to be working. Working men do the absolute minimum to get by without getting written up for "unprofessional appearance." I think we're going to go back to the time when people cared about how they look (i.e. Ethel Mertz: "I can't go on the subway! I'm wearing JEANS!")
I'm confused as to why anyone going on a cruise would want to have to dress up in a tuxedo? isn't that just a pain ?
[quote] I'm confused as to why anyone going on a cruise would want to have to dress up in a tuxedo? isn't that just a pain ?
Transatlantic crossings and cruises are 2 very different things.
Doesn't it depend on which dining room you have booked. In other words, first class or basic?
I always find a kilt appropriate when aboard ship. Bon Voyage!!
R17 Although I've never sailed on Cunard, I've been on several other lines and you wouldn't believe what passes for "formal." Like many passengers, I'm not about to drag a tux or even a suit to wear for a couple of hours a couple of times. I have a black jacket, pants, tie and shoes, along with a white shirt, all of which can be mixed with other clothes at other times. On formal nights, I put them together and the combination works just fine.
R18 Did you read my last paragraph? Early morning to late afternoon is usually enough time for an overview, nothing more. It is what it is. My last cruise included a day in Port Stanley, Falkland Islands. I loved it and would probably never have gotten there other than on a cruise, but believe me a few hours was more than enough. What's "ridiculous and absurd" is sitting in your basement never having gone anywhere or done anything.
R19 If you've booked an excursion through the ship, they'll wait. Otherwise, you're on your own to get to the next destination.
There is a world of difference in a cruise on Carnival or Royal Caribbean and the upscale lines, even with the same parentage of companies.
I cruise Seabourn twice per year and it is heaven on a stick. Silversea is also very nice.
For the older but not the older West Palm Beach crowd, my folks are always pleased with Holland America. The big plus there is that the cruises are too long for families...so no rugrats! And no heavily tatted Staten Islanders by the pool is also a plus.
R26, how utterly stupid you are to suggest and assume that I have not gone anywhere nor seen anything. And that I'm posting from a basement.
You are vacuous.
[quote]When the ship is finished a day stop and it's time to depart, what happens if people are late getting back? Does it wait for them (and if so, how long)?
Depends on the circumstance. If an entire tour is delayed getting back (traffic, accident, incident), they will wait. There is plenty of time to recover at sea and arrivals at the next port of call are usually very early while guests are still asleep, so a slightly later arrival may cost the company some money in port taxes, but not necessarily in guest's enjoyment or well being(once that's affected it's time to star assessing how long to wait for a delayed tour).
Unaccompanied passangers here and there who are late do not fare as well. The ship will not wait for them. And with the increase in passenger volume per ship in the last decade of the industru, this kind of thing now happens pretty much every trip.
There have been exceptions, for instance a medical emergency with a proper phone call. But too many were the times were we'd be sailing off with a loud party going on aboard, and we'd see someone running out of a cab, shopping bags to the wind, screaming "STOP STOP!" to the excitement of those onboard who would wave back, but of no useful avail to the poor soul. A few were the times when I myself - a seasoned employee - would step out of a movie theater in wintery Norway, see that it was dark outside, and go into a panic only to realize it was three in the afternoon and dark already.
The ship's hotel will simply leave the poor souls' passports with the port agents and will not even be responsible for getting them back home (you sign things to that effect). People are adviced ahead of time about heavy traffic, transportation requirements, strikes, snafus, etc. in each port so they can plan accordingly if they decide to wander off by themselves. This also provides an opportunity for the travel staff to sell their tours, guaranteeing those who stick with a tour a safe and timely return, and if not possible, flights and accomodations in the unlikely event your tour has to be left behind (never happened in my years working for the ships).
Also, there ARE ports of call (less stable governments) where you are not allowed out unless with a tour. And finally, some ports where certain citizens will suddenly not be allowed in. Those are the saddest cases, because there are no refunds and the ship's company does not take responsibilty for any sudden decisions by port authorities not to allow certain people in. The only instance I remembered that happening was one week in St. Petersburg when the Russian authorities decided not to allow Colombians in. We had to deal with some pretty pissed off rich Colombians for the rest of the run.
Many times people who miss the boat (crew included) can catch a flight to the next port. Other times, guests simply get their asses back to the port of departure where they will await the ships arrival to get their belongings. Unlike airplanes, ships don't have tight luggage policies (for instance, the one where if you get off, so does your luggage), as they x-ray and metal detect everything that comes in and out, and they really can't go about trying to pack and locate all your belongings, so they just leave your passsport This might have changed since I last worked the ships.
Former entertainer and Cruise Director
He is jealous and projecting.
R28 Not about to get into a pissing contest here, but your haughty posts show a narrow minded lack of sophistication which indicate a real lack of life experience. Or you could just be an asshole.
Bump (and thank God, not into an iceberg).
Go on your cruises, R31, and enjoy your low-grade experience.
Nothing says you should not be able to choose low-grade experience if you wish.
You obviously get something out of your cruises. So more power to you.
Many people who go on a cruise say 'never again' and rightly so.
Enjoy the Falkland Islands, R31. It's a real feather in your cap. No. But life is about enjoying, so enjoy.
Just don't think that most people find value in a cruise.
And your haughty comment about 'lacking sophistication' and 'real life experience' is truly laughable.
My buddy and I are going on a "eco" cruise around the South Atlantic and south pacific. Neither of us were interested in a floating rum party with midnight ice cream sunday buffets. We like nature stuff- so a lot of bird watching- and yes there are nature lectures etc-just more our style. There are no formal dress occasions- is very casual-
So is the transatlantic "crossing" something nice and a bit sophisticated? What kind of people take it? I wouldn't mind taking a ship across, but I have zero interest in cruises of any kind.
Well, OP, if you are traveling first class, you should include evening dress in your trunks. I'm sure that your man knows best what to pack, as he will be accompanying you no doubt. Or are you relying upon a manservant of your host at your destination?
Now, of course, if you were born to the purple, you will wish include mourning dress in your luggage. One never knows when the sovereign will die, does one?
And if you are a lady, perhaps you might have your husband or guardian make discreet inquiries into whether or not royalty will be present at balls. Then, you will be sure to include your tiara. Of course, you must include your parure!
 Of course you are entitled to your opinion, and you have made that opinion clear.
But I must that I disagree with several of your points. Of course there are people who say, "Never again!" upon returning to tera firma. But I felt that way once when staying at a particular Ritz Carlton for a night. It surely didn't put me off RC's forever.
Cruising is the greatest vacation bang for your buck available today. The Lines over- built the behemoths we all see in ads or on the Travel Channel when the economy was up. Now they are faced with up to a 35% vacancy every time they sail. Their philosophy is an empty cabin is like throwing money overboard, hence they will practically GIVE you a cabin just to get you on board. The Lines know that their revenue comes from liquor sales. Each passenger needs to spend $325/week for them to break even. Of course there is also money to be made in the casino, luxe spa, art galleries, shops and upgraded dining.
I happen to live in FL so I am ready to go when I feel like it on short notice. I am enrolled with online cruise agents who let me know weekly what cabins are available and the co$t about 2 weeks ahead.
Now you tell me, for $259 for a 7 day cruise from FLL, to "I don't give a damn" with a balcony, 5 great meal presentations per day, opportunities to scuba, snorkel and smoke ganja in the Blue Mtns, smoke a great Cuban Monte Cristo with locals on their sailboat isn't a steal at $37 a day??????
And the occupancy war allows you to be picky about your ship. I wouldn't set foot on a Carnival if they comped me and credited me with $200 at the bar. Snobby? Maybe, but I don't dig the paper plate crowd. I find most of the other lines very acceptable. Once/twice year I will really treat myself on one of the lines with smaller ships that are able to go into the more exotic ports unreachable by the mega ships. A 7 day cruise in a suite with truly fine dining and all wine included which would normally be $1000 per day per person is attainable at times for as low as $175 per day per person. This is the line that Oprah chartered for Maya Angelou's 60th b-day. Only 400 passengers and a real clubby atmosphere. Definitely NOT the tank top and flip flop crowd.
Open your mind a little. Shit, I can't live in my own home and feed myself for $37/day!!
 You are not that far off!
R35. Between the cruise and the crossing, I preferred the crossing. The cruise was good, I got to have a taste of Norway, and I do want to return. The people were nice enough, but mainly middle class English. I found the passengers on the crossing more international and, maybe it was just that particular group, but more interesting. The cruise gave "stopovers" and the crossing was a whole week at sea, but you have fabulous NYC at one end and an actual destination at the other. I plan to do the same journey in reverse later this year. Hope you enjoy your travel - it is certainly an experience, possibly one that won't be around in 50 years time. I loved the QM2 - which line are you considering?
I was on the QE2 40 years ago, but I was wearing kids clothes, so it may not be applicable.