Yes, and we should start with the homophobic fucking pope.
Are you Oliver Cromwell?
Funnily Catholics are the most gay friendly Christian group. Protestants(especially southern baptist) and Mormons are the real obstacle for the end of homophobia.
I'm not sure why people hate Catholics when other religions believe in the same things, or are against the same things. Why not burn all the Fundamentalist Protestants, the Mormons, and similar strict religions. I suspect a lot of Catholic hate is rooted in ethnic hate (as in, a lot of Latinos are Catholic, while fundy Protestants are more "white")
America's long history of anti-Catholic bigotry continues. Shine on you (38000 Protestant Denomination)"patriots"!
God bless...burn a convent, or a school....how about a hospital?!
r4 The US has a history of Catholic hatred. Originally it was an offshoot of anti-catholicism among British people. It also was because it was the religion of a lot of newer immigrants(Irish, Catholic).
I don't condone their sexism, homophobia, or promotion of not using condoms. But they are far nuttier than other religions.
The Pope is not homophobic. It is not a sin to be gay, only to engage in homosexual activity.
[quote]only to engage in homosexual activity.
Does renting Les Miz count as homosexual activity?
Meh. All the Catholics I know are sinning heathens who enjoy the pomp and ceremony then go and do their own thing.
Burning heathens? That is so hot. I've got wood.
I love Catholics, generally speaking. It's their church leadership that's the problem.
Has anyone else noticed how often the media seems to be calling Frank the Pope "a 'man' who" or "this 'man'" as if to overuse the word "man" more than some hip hop "artist". It must be that by saying Frannie is a man they are trying vainly to make it so, almost like if one says something enough it will give it truth; he does wear fancy, lacey dresses more than any woman I know.
Popo go homo
CAtholics are sheep
r5 I agree. Just a hold-over of US anti-catholicism.
I thought Episcopalians were the most gay-friendly Christian group.
r18 I have been corrected. Either way, Mormons and Protestants get passes in the media and society that the Catholic church can't.
Right, so you can be gay but you aren't allowed to fall in love or live like normal people.
Regarding run of the mill Catholics, they stopped taking the teachings of their church seriously a long time ago. Just look at the polls. Most of them are pretty tolerant.
Now the clerical establishment on the other hand deserves every ounce of criticism and ridicule they receive.
I'm not entirely sure you understand what you're saying.
The Presbyterian Church, via their vote on 10A, has opened up the PCUSA for LGBT people.
Some branches of the Lutherans -- the ECLA specifically -- have also voted to be LGBT friendly.
And many Methodist congregations nationwide have voted to be "welcoming and affirming" -- their terminology of gay friendly.
All of the above now bless same sex weddings in their churches.
And, of course, there are various UU, UCC and Episcopal churches which celebrate LGBT people.
But the Catholic Church remains rooted in their medieval dogma. In fact the group Dignity -- which is an LGBT group worshiping "in the Catholic tradition" used to be able to meet in churches but was kicked out (on order form the pope!) and now celebrates mass in Episcopal churches.
So when you say that "Catholics are the most gay friendly group" I'm really not sure what you mean by that.
And just for the record, I am a died-in-the-wool atheist and think that ALL religion (in fact the entire concept of "faith") is unremittingly ridiculous. But many of the denominations mentioned above are facing schism in their organizations because some members have spoken up for LGBT civil rights ... except for the crazy papists.
It's blindingly true Catholics are no better on LGBT issues than the Southern Baptists and Mormons and, no offense intended, you’re fooling yourself if you think the Catholic Church is going to be the lead in any movement to treat the LGBT like human beings.
I think it's important to keep in mind that the new pope has stated that marriage equality is a plot from "The Father of Lies" and John Paul II, when asked if AIDS was a punishment from heaven, replied "It is not easy to know the mind of God."
The majority of the countries that have made gay marriage legal are Catholic countries. Remember that.
The Catholic religion is a paradox: it is against liberal issues like abortion and homosexuality.... but also against the death penalty and war. And it teaches forgiveness and compassion.
r22, that's called hypocrisy, not a pareadix, and you're thick as shit.
The majority of counties that have made gay marriage legal are countries which have managed to break away from whatever religion tradition they come from. (And I do think citizens of the UK would be interested to hear you calling GB a "Catholic country.")
And if the Catholic Church is so against the death penalty, why don't they deny communion and threaten excommunication to politicians who support it? They way they do with abortion.
You really are living in a dream world if you think that -- in any way -- the Catholic Church is ever going to be a leader on LGBT rights.
When I was a kid, my mother told me that Catholics hang their pictures too high. She says many memorable things.
he majority of counties that have made gay marriage legal are countries which have managed to break away from whatever religion tradition they come from. (And I do think citizens of the UK would be interested to hear you calling GB a "Catholic country.")
Holland, Belgium, Spain, Portugal, Argentina, Mexico and France all had gay marriage before your beloved GB. Catholic countries are nowhere near protestant & mormon strongholds like Alabama or Utah.
Have you ever been to a Catholic mass before? They are forever jumping up and down during the services. Sit, sit and chill out.