Danny Kaye/Sylvia Fine
Charles Laughton/Elsa Lanchester
Laurence Olivier/Jill Esmond
Merchant & Ivory, the independent film makers. Claudette Colbert & her Dr. Hubby, Paul Newman / Joanne Woodward
does lavender marriage mean both parties are gay?
Speaking of Danny Kaye, around 40 years ago, he hit on my boyfriend while he was at Sun River.
r4, Sun River, near Bend, OR? I could tell you stories...
RE 3 I think Lavender marriage / relationship means one, or both are gay, but the marriage is to hide that for one, or both. I'm so confused .
Andre Agassi/Steffi Graf
Lawrence Olivier / Joan Plowright
Bradley Cooper / Jenifer Espisito ( though I dont think she realized she was in one)
Will Smith /Jada
Not all Holywood but:
Rock Hudson and Phyllis Gates (duh!)
Judy Garland and Vincente Minnelli
Judy Garland and her last 2 husbands
Liza Minnelli and all 3 husbands
Alfred Lunt and Lynne Fontanne
Merle Oberon and Art Director Cedric Gibbons
Katherine Cornell and her producer husband
Loretta Young and Costume Designer Jean Louis
Joan Sutherland and her impressario husband
Michael Redgrave and Rachel Kempson (in spite of the 3 kids)
Cole Porter and his society lady wife
George and Martha Washington
On Broadway, Katherine Cornell and Guthrie McClintic.
Theresa Hellburn and Cheryl Crawford enjoyed a "Boston Marriage."
Danny Kaye and Nick Long, Jr were lovers in the 1930s and toured together as a comedy team. They traveled to London together and worked at the Dorchester, but Danny was a flop, they fell out and Kaye went back to the states. Nick was an incredible dancer, his parents were well-known stage actors in New York (Nick Long Sr, and Idelena Cotton) and he started in the theater when he was 6 - like Rooney. Many people know him from Broadway Melody of 1936. He died in an auto accident in 1949 when he was 43.
My family knew George and Martha in Virginia, they actually knew Martha very well and she gave jewelry to them which we donated to a museum. The family story was that George was gay and it was a marriage of convenience - I remember hearing the story when I was a kid in the 1960's.
Do lesbians like lavender? Wouldn't they prefer a light shade of army green (which would complement lavender nicely)?
Ona Munson (played the Madame in GWTW) to actor/director Edward Buzzell.
Guthrie McClintic had also been married to Estelle Winwood, who along with galpals Eva LaGallienne, Blyth Daly, and Talullah Bankhead made up "The Four Riders of the Algonquin."
Othe lavender marriages of that era:
Allah Nazimova and Charles Bryant
Beatrice Lillie and Sir Robert Peel
Laurette Taylor and J. Hartley Manners
Rudolph Valentino and Jean Ackers and Natacha Rambova
[quote]Merle Oberon and Art Director Cedric Gibbons
Merle and Cedric were never married. Merle's husbands were Sir Alex Korda, Lucien Ballard, Bruno Pagilai and Robert Wolders.
Is Mark Gero still among the living?
My mistake. MGM Art Director Cedric Gibbons was married to Dolores del Rio which is even gayer.
I believe Mark Gero is younger than Liza. He is still alive. According to the internet, it was her longest marriage. He is generally thought not to be gay.
To be fair, Garland's longest marriage was to Sid Luft who was most certainly not gay.
I believe all their other husbands were gay, except perhaps Judy Garland's first, David Rose.
Betty White/ Allen Ludden. Worked with someone who worked for them years ago.
I heard the same thing about Ludden, from someone who knew them. So is Betty's man hungry bit all an act ? Is she a 90 YO lezzie on the DL ?
You know, I really don't know but I think it was that he was gay and she was fine with it and was just simply head over hils in love with him.
I believe the Betty/Allen story.
...and here I was so hoping to join this august company.
So Julie's a lez, and Blake liked the peen ? Both , or one ?
Didn't Doris Roberts have a gay husband?
Phylicia Rashad always pings a little for me....and she was married to that guy from the Village People
"Merchant & Ivory, the independent film makers. "
Are you suggesting that every established gay relationship is a lavender marriage?
Ok. But that's not what OP is talking bout.
No mention of me? *sulks*
r36, you're thinking of Charlotte Rae.
Add Jean Stapleton and Bill Putch. When they ran the Totem Pole Playhouse in Pennsylvania he favored the male apprentices.
I don't see how Judy or Liza's gay marriages fall in the "lesser known" lavender marriages.
Here's a lavender one:
Lena Horne - Lennie Hayton
Her bio always states that they stayed married until his 1971 death. Yeah, legally. She was long gone, but they played married in public a few times in the 1960s.
Naomi Watts abd Liev Scriber
Matt Damon and his italian waitress
Candice Bergens first marriage
R39 or me.
Watch it, David Ehrenstein may come in here!
I remember an episode of Password where guest Angie Dickinson ribs Allen Ludden for his fondness of Burt Bacharach.
Merchant and Ivory never really played up their relationship, though.
Except for bickering like an old married couple on DVD commentary tracks.
Blake Edwards & Julie Christie.
Mike Nichols & Diane Sawyer.
Tammy and Nicole Kidman
Mention Andrew Sullivan - that will do it
"Add Jean Stapleton and Bill Putch. When they ran the Totem Pole Playhouse in Pennsylvania he favored the male apprentices"
Was she gay, too? Or just a beard?
"Blake Edwards & Julie Christie."
Well obviously, R53, he meant Blake Edwards and Julie Newmar.
Alas - we'll never add Ryan Semencrest and Julianne Hough to this list. Life can be cruel!
Julie Andrews, not Julie Christie.
How can somebody forget its Julie Andrews?
Danny Kaye was straight
Peter Allen was bisexual. I think Liza talked about how great a sex life they had in an interview a while back.
Paul was straight, as is Joanne.
LOL, r58. If anyone on earth was totally gay it was Peter Allen. Liza was off being gay herself during that marriage. Whatever she said in public (link?) was bullshit.
If bisexual means that Peter Allen could have sex with men and women, but totally preferred men, there may be some truth in Minnelli's comments. But, I agree that it almost certainly bullshit.
So is any believe that Garland was unaware that Peter Allen was gay from the first time she met him...long before Liza was involved.
[quote]Danny Kaye was straight[/quote]
I wonder about that.
Richard Benjamin and Paula Prentiss have been married for over fifty years or something like that. Richard Benjamin always pinged a wee mite bit to me.
R60, what comments? Has anybody got a quote? I remember Liza being quoted as saying that sex in that marriage was the pits - made during the marriage itself. If I find it I'll give the source.
R61, Benjamin is Jewish.
Travolta and Preston also have had kids together. Not sure if a man is getting his wife pregnant should be considered fake!
Yeah but how did she get pregnant? I am absolutely sure Travolta has never had sex with his wife.
R65 Oh i'm sorry the fly on the wall speaks! LOL
Blake Edwards and Julie Brown (the black one).
Joanne always pinged for me, even when I was a little kid. And then when people started saying Paul was gay, it was kind of easy to believe.
Mike Nichols and Diane Sawyer
M and her husband
Blake Edwards and Dana Andrews
Herbert Ross and Nora Kaye. I just had this discussion with a friend over Ross's later marriage to Lee Radziwell.
Nora Kaye liked having sex with homosexuals.
[quote] Travolta and Preston also have had kids together. Not sure if a man is getting his wife pregnant should be considered fake!
ah...we have such tender sweet innocents thinkers here at DL.
Seriously. How many of us have known gay men who have fathered kids with their wives? How many? I know two men who have done this...there must be many.
R58 is a bit declamatory, but may be right about Kaye, who told his last girlfriend that he never had a gay experience even though Joan Plowright once said (and later denied everything about it) that Kaye ruined Olivier's and Leigh's marriage. And Kaye did have other women in his life, especially after the estrangement with Fine, and they did have a daughter. But to me it all smells like the Cary Grant Syndrome, where a bisexual man stifles his history and inclinations to preserve what he thinks should be his legacy.
As for Newman, I never heard anyone in the business talk about anything tangible as far as gay relationships. However, Redford is another story, as is Charlton Heston.
Kaye had a whole string of boyfriends
Richard Nixon and Pat Nixon
Bob Fosse and Glen Vernon
Oscar de la Renta and his wife. His longterm bf is that Italian guy who used to run his design business.
[quote]Bob Fosse and Glen Vernon
Now, who is this you're referring to?
"However, Redford is another story, as is Charlton Heston."
 You are absolutely correct. When I was just a kid living in a small town where everyone knows the color of everyone else's underwear, there was a gentleman who was married with 4 children. This was ages before IVF or even turkey baster children. He was the town's Liberace: always sporting ascots with velvet jackets and such.
At the age of 55, he and the missus divorced, and he moved to Atlanta and greener(or more lavender) pastures.
The kicker is (I am dead serious) his last name was Gaywright. Don't worry about privacy issues....he's surely long gone, and I feel safe to say his late middle aged kids don't visit DL.
I thought Eve LeG's long time companion was actress Josephine Hutchinson
R79, Fosse was a notorious pussyhound. Was he bearding for Gwen? Is that why she tolerated all his womanizing?
R61, "a wee mite bit"? What is that supposed to mean?
Richard (John Boy) Thomas and Alma Gonzalez, the mother of his triplets.
Now married to another woman and father of another child.
Oh I'd love to marry in Lavender!!!!
It sounds like some people want to have the family experience but were not heterosexual.
In that "MakIng Of Boys In The Band" documentary,Lawrence Luckinbill said his female agent,Janet Roberts I think her name was,was gay and so was her husband! Anyone know more about this couple?
Naomni and Leiv are not part of a lavendar marriage...
I thought she was Nicole's lover? When I saw them holding hands, I believed it.
Remember when Tom and Nicole were married and someone supposedly caught them arguing like a married couple over a cell phone?
I think that was all set up so they would look like they were a normal man and wife. Probably Burt Fields had his boy Pelicano, set that up.
Cristina Applegate and Johnathon Schaech
Diane von Furstenberg and Barry Diller
When I grew up in Teaneck, N.J. two married couples lived a the two family house nearby. No one knew until many years later though legally married the real couples were male-male, female-female.
r52, Jean was the beard. They had two kids, boy and girl.
More than a few of those classic British actors were married with children whilst sucking a lot of strange cock on the side. Michael Redgrave and Alan Bates come to mind. Some suspicion of Alec Guinness and John Mills too.
Diane von Furstenberg and Barry Diller - good choice, r92. Although is there anyone that doesn't know he's gay?
R96 The gossip mill has indicated that Diller married Diane because he wants to leave his estate to her son, tax free.
Jennifer Beals and her husbands (ex and current).
Sam Mendes and Kate Winslet? There have been rumors about him on here...if true, did Kate know?
Janet Gaynor and Adrian
Janet Gaynor and Paul Gregory
Mary Martin and Ben Hagman
Mary Martin and Richard Halliday
I shall be snickering about r79's "Glen Vernon" for the rest of the the week.
Update: Yo bitches! Beyonce has moved over 1.8 million copies of her latest in less than four days. Conrats, Queen Bey! We luv ya, gurl!
So, are you saying Bouncy is in a lavender marriage?
F&F Beyonce's publicist who is infecting dozens of threads with that gibberish @ R102.
Lilyan Tashman and Edmund Lowe.
R58 Danny Kaye and Paul Newman were straight? No way!
Don't you think Nicholas Sparks (love his books!) and whomever he's married to with 5 kids? He just has gay face for days.
R2, Merchant and Ivory weren't married, and if they were, it would not be a lavender marriage; it would be a gay marriage; they were both men.
R9, although you are correct that Liza had three gay husbands, one can't say that "all three" of her husbands were gay, in that she had four, one of whom, Mark Gero, was apparently straight.
[quote]Peter Allen was bisexual. I think Liza talked about how great a sex life they had in an interview a while back.
It was sizzling!
Liza had a GREAT sex life during her marriage to Peter Allen. But he wasn't part of it.
That marriage was based on friendship and immigration laws.
Kelly Preston and her turkey baster.
I'm very curious about Bouncy's marriage.
Diane von Furstenburg and Egon von Furstenburg
as for "the gossip mill [having] indicated that Diller married Diane because he wants to leave his estate to her son, tax free," this is nonsense. One cannot leave money to one's offspring, let along step-children, tax free. One can leave it to one's spouse tax free, but when it passes to the next generation, only a couple of million dollars can be left before the estate is completely taxed.
R98, details, please!
[quote] Don't you think Nicholas Sparks (love his books!)
You just outed yourself as a frau, R107.
r103 Beyonce is in a lavender marriage.
Just to set the record straight, traditionally a lavender marriage consists of a man and woman who are both gay.
So not all the couples named so far qualify.
I'll add Kate Hepburn and the man she married.
Luddow Smith, Katherine Hepburn's husband was straight. He remarried after he and Hepburn divorced. He and Hepburn remained friends
"Doesn't Paul Newman ping for y'all?"
R58, Peter Allen was NOT bisexual. I asked him. In person. He told me all about Liza. He loved her, but as best friend/green card source only. I met his husband Greg later that week. He wasn't bi, either.
Kate Jackson and Andrew Stevens. I never bought them as a couple. She also hung out with Liza M back then too. Makes me wonder if those two had a fling.
Kate Jackson has aways been rumored to be gay. Wasn't she linked to the actress that played the wife on Welcome, Back Kotter? But I've never heard anything about Andrew Stevens. He doesn't strike me as gay.
The hills are alive with the sound of whatshername?
I agree, r121.
Now, just remember what you wrote when we discuss gay female celebs. The DL gays will not accept anything but bi when it comes to them.
Jared Padalecki/Genevieve Cortese
Jensen Ackles/Danneel Harris
Both of their marriages are very hinky.
My sister worked for Joanne Woodward for a time and they were definitely not gay. I spent some time with both of them. When they first met they had to sneak around because he was still married. Joanne is not at all like she seems - she's very funny and blunt about things like sex and embarrassed the heck out of Paul all the time, but he was used to it. They were a wonderful couple and very devoted to one another.
Also I'm not sure why bisexuality isn't really acknowledged in this thread. Rachel Kempson and Michael Redgrave weren't a lavender marriage so far as I know. He told her up front that he was bi, and she didn't care. When he was writing his autobiography, his son was helping him, and that's when he told his son. His son said if that was the case, he needed to write about it.
"Mary Martin and Ben Hagman"
I have never heard anyone suggest that Ben Hagman was gay. As for Martin, she was sixteen or seventeen when they married, and their son, Larry, was born before she was eighteen. And the marriage did not last long.
Both Alfred Lunt and Lynn Fontanne were family. From a blind item in a 1933 tabloid called Broadway Brevities:
"This little fact concerns two of the greatest stars of the legitimate theatre and who are supposed to be happily married. The pair, however, are as queer as a couple of bugs. He is a pansy who is conducting an affair with his male secretary, while she is a lesbian and has several girls acting as her lovers. Cute, eh?"
TCM will be showing the Lunts in "The Guardsman" this Thursday.
A lavender marriage is one in which both parties are gay.
So most of these entries are horse shit.
Possibly Katharine Hepburn and Spencer Tracy were in a lavender relationship but not marriage. As Spencer Tracy was a gay man this partnership could of been classed as a lavender relationship. Director George Cukor, was known to have given the pair a place, not known where it was, this place was where Katharine and Spencer had relationships with the same sex, so it was kept out of the public eye. Also Katharine Hepburn was in a marriage with Ludlow Ogden Smith, which it was said that he was gay too, apparently he took his male lover and her female lover on their honey moon, as their was four present. Don't take my word for this. In my eye, Spencer Tracy was a gay man and Katharine Hepburn was a lesbian, but it was very possible.
A lavender relationship/marriage is when one or both parties are gay, and wish to conceal their sexual orientation, being from a person who has experienced this, yes I am gay and my partner was gay too, I accepted my self and so did my partner, but my parents had got on to me, my partner was not ready to come out fully, so it was to buy us time, when we was with friends and family we would kiss and hug, but behind the screen we were seeing our partners, our true partners, we were just friends and used this as a screen, we eventually came to the realisation that we could not live any lies, so we agreed that we would end this and live true, we stayed friends however, but our families were ok with it but thought that we did not need to go to that extent, we are not stereotypical gays, as one party is butch guy with loads of muscle and the other is very feminine. So it can happen, we were not married but it still worked for us, it helped us in so many was, but sometimes I would not recommend it, (note it is not a friend with benefits as there was no sex involved).
Of course the interesting thing here is that the lavender color did not prevent people from having children - often multiple children.
There's more to it than mere cover.
Hilary Swank and Chad Lowe were such a couple IMHO.
Vincent Price and Coral Browne.
There are rumors about the marriage of art director Wiard Ihnen (won Oscars for Wilson and Blood on the Sun) and costume designer Edith Head
Loretta Young and Jean Louis - I'm sure that was just for companionship, not to cover up anything.
Laurence Olivier is bi.
Paul and Joanne were a straight couple.
And sometimes, the woman or man doesn't care that the partner is gay or bi. And it's possible to love one another while still being attracted to the opposite sex.
Cole Porter and his wife loved one another, and she knew his situation. She left him when he started being very indiscreet, but came back to him when he had that horrible accident. Did they sleep together? I'd say in his case it's doubtful, but I don't know.
Fran Drescher and her husband were married for years and had a good sex life. He thought he might be gay and told her, and he finally came out. I saw them a while ago on an interview and he said he still loves her, and he'll always love her.
It's hard to pigeonhole sexuality. It's not as black and white as some people think.
AUNTIE MERV and any woman!
N. Sparks' books stink, but he really comes across as a friend of (who shall we say now--we used to say Dorothy.
[quote]Paul and Joanne were a straight couple.
Kay Francis and anyone.
Andy Roddick/Brooklyn Decker.
To the persons posting about tennis stars: I have always thought Agassi and Roddick were gay with lesbian wives. Any specific info?
R145 Brooklyn openly "pals" around with women. Rihanna being one of them. She seems to be more open about lezzing out and about than Andy is.
I've heard rumors about Agassi but anyone you dated Barbara Streisand is either gay, an attention whore or is a downright gold digger.
Steffi Graf isn't gay, that I know.
[R142] Yeah, really - did you ever spend time with them? I did. My sister worked for Joanne for a long time.
For a gay woman, Kay Francis sure had a lot of abortions.
Mark Gero is still alive, and is now a successful businessman living in Europe. He also re-married.
Gero was incredibly good-looking. The photos linked here do not do him justice. He met Liza while he was stage manager for "The Act", and she
was attracted to him from the start.
I don't know if it's true, but Gero was rumored to be very well-endowed.