My office has temporarily relocated its package-pickup spot to an area of the building only accessible from one door, opening to the outdoors. I was in line today when I heard a shrill, schoolmarm-y voice yelling at a kid who's probably an intern to immediately put out the cigarette he was smoking. She threatened to call the police on him and said she'd done it many times before.
I turned around to see the 'frau for myself. She fit the DataLounge caricature to a T: fat, middle-aged, *horribly* dressed in some ridiculous flower-print smock. Although I don't smoke and never have, I do happen to know our city's smoking ordinance, so I told her: "Ma'am, while smoking is indeed prohibited within 25 feet of a building entrance, the party that is penalized for code infractions is the building owner, not the smoker. So: unless you're intending to nark on our employer, I'd kindly suggest you remove the stick from your ass and quit harassing this poor young man." She looked at me for a few seconds, shell-shocked, then stormed off in a huff. The kid merely said, "Dude, you are AWESOME."
I don't normally even *care* about 'frauen activities, but this bitch really had it coming!
The nice young man still ain't gonna let you suck his dick, OP.
Another true profile in courage.
There's no apostrophe in front of frau. It's not short for anything.
WTF, R2? It's short for "hausfrau."
I hate entitled smokers, so I support her. And yes, R1 was right - his dick is off-limits to your gumming.
"Hausfrau" is German for "housewife." "Cubefrau" is a DLism that is also acceptably shortened as "'frau."
Good for you, R5. We'll send her to your cubicle so she can try to convert you from your godless ways. Jesus, who she loves, doesn't like mos.
For the record, I had ZERO interest in the intern. He's skinny and pimply and gross.
There goes your invite to MichFest.
It's just "frau." No apostrophe. It means a married woman.
Would you put an apostrophe in front of 'wife to indicate a contraction from housewife? No. Same with "frau."
Thank you OP! I think this is the same woman who passed me biking to work one day. I was having a leisurely ride with a friend when she came up behind us and started ringing her little bell. As she pulled alongside, she shouted, "Move to the right!!" We were the only people around. No cars.
BTW, not knowing smoking is no longer allowed on cruise ship balconies, a maintenance guy onboard came into the room and explained the smoking rule by saying to me and the BF, "We're not going to let you people burn down another one of our ships."
Why can't smokers just quit? There is nothing good about smoking.
R10, this is not a thread about semantics. A wife is not the same thing as a housewife, and "frau" (minus apostrophe) simply means "woman" in German; since I am specifically referring to a housewife, not a woman in general, I put an apostrophe before 'frau.
Oh, sure, R13/OP. Whatever you say.
Then you do so incorrectly, r13
I'm with you, R12. It's 2013, why is anyone still smoking? You look like assholes, and smell even worse.
Well, R16, you'd be very surprised how many smokers exist outside your world. I see how you picture me. Can you imagine how I picture you?
Smokers can quit, that's true. And the nasty assholes shrieking about them will continue to be nasty assholes.
And the nasty assholes are ALWAYS holier-than-thou ex-smokers.
Why do you smoke, R11?
Do you think it makes you look cool?
Do you think it makes people want to be around you?
Do you think it makes people want to kiss you?
Are you so rich you like burning money in such an ostentatious manner?
Now I'm fat!
Which does DL hate more? Fatties. Or smokers?
Would a cubefrau be a Würfelfrau?
R20, I can't really answer that. Have you ever smoked? Have you ever asked yourself why you feel free to make judgments about other people who don't act the way you do? You're so glib. I have an active social life with smokers and non-smokers. I've smoked all my life and enjoy it. But I guess my number one answer would be that I smoke to keep people like you away from me.
I used to smoke, and now I know this to be true more than ever:
Smokers are more fun.
The frau was in the right, OP.
Maybe not about the ordinance, but it was both correct and kind of her to tell that young idiot to stop blowing nasty-smelling fumes into the workplace.
Thank You [R23]! I'm a smoker also. The judgement choir of non or reformed smokers does wear thin pretty quickly.
I'm courteous about smoking near people who I think might be non-smokers or who could possibly offended by cigarette smoke, but it seems a certain group that feels it's their right/privilege/duty/calling to seek us out and lecture us always has to get involved.
One thing I've noticed - these folks are usually heavy or look plain miserable. Frequently a combination of the two.
OP actually gave her an ironclad excuse for firing the guy. His personal behavior was creating a liability for the company. I'm sure she was lying about calling the police, too.
If you're a typical smoker, R27, your concept of "near" bears little relationship to the reality of the way smoke travels.
I know you smokers like to see yourself as fun-loving free spirits, but you should know that the rest of the world doesn't see you that way.
We see you as equivalent to people with terrible body odor; someone who smells nasty due to bad personal habits. So be a dear, and please keep your stank where we can't smell it.
The Rest of the World
R30 needs to get laid.
Fuck smokers. I will always call them out... Their selfishness endangers my health. And yes, I know a smoker will be along shortly to say, "Well, what about..." and "How about...". Second-hand smoke kills, though, and unlike many other factors, I can control how it affects me. I like to minimize the risks from it whenever possible.
R32 needs someone to put a cigarette out on his smug little (well probably huge) ass.
[quote]Second-hand smoke kills, though, and unlike many other factors, I can control how it affects me.
Yes you can. By LEAVING.
"Smoking affects my health."
I love that one. Look, the days of smoking in confined quarters are gone and never going to come back. The likelihood of passing passive second hand smoke causing your illness are right up there with all the other pollutants in the world around you. It's so ridiculous to advance that argument. A lazy, sanctimonious, stupid argument to make.
And while you whine about the smoking smell that isn't entering the office, spare a thought for those of us who have to smell some of the shit you people microwave for lunch... let alone the shared fridge.
Or by slapping the living fuck out of you, R33, and other selfish Republican turds. Welcome to 2013, bitch.
"And yes, I know a smoker will be along shortly to say, "Well, what about..." and "How about..."."
Well, he certainly predicted the appearance of the ancient libertarian R35.
If I'm walking downwind of you, Smoker R35, we're in confined quarters. You idiots think if you're not an inch from someone's face, they can't smell your stench. But you're wrong. Just as wrong as you are for smoking in the first place.
And I never, ever microwave shit for lunch. That is almost (50%) as disgusting as the stench that comes out of your mouth, your nose, your pores, your car, your house, etc.
Get over it bitches. You can't control walking past cars and having to smell their exhaust either. I don't even smoke but it is fact of life that will occasionally happen and I can't understand why someone would find the need to be so obsessed about it.
You might smell shit in the world you don't like it, boo hoo.
[quote]"Ma'am, while smoking is indeed prohibited within 25 feet of a building entrance, the party that is penalized for code infractions is the building owner, not the smoker. So: unless you're intending to nark on our employer, I'd kindly suggest you remove the stick from your ass and quit harassing this poor young man."
OP, I seriously hope you didn't say that. I'm cringing with embarrassment for you. Grandstanding in a ridiculous prisspot way in front of some intern isn't as cool as you think it is.
R36 how in the hell did you get republican from that?
Out down the crack pipe please. Oh and be careful who you call a bitch. Someone might punch the shit out of you for it.
Try it, bitch. People are fed up with smokers, and you're the one likely to get slammed.
[quote]Fuck smokers. I will always call them out... Their selfishness endangers my health. Second-hand smoke kills, though, and unlike many other factors, I can control how it affects me. I like to minimize the risks from it whenever possible.
r32 is telling you NOW so she doesn't have to tell you THEN.
She has stated her boundaries!
You deserve to die, R39. I hope it's painful.
R42 based in trolldar and your rage may I suggest you seek counseling.
Seriously smoke a cigarette and chill out.
[quote]Maybe not about the ordinance, but it was both correct and kind of her to tell that young idiot to stop blowing nasty-smelling fumes into the workplace.
He wasn't "blowing fumes into the workplace," numbnuts. He was standing a good ten feet from the door. There wasn't any strong wind that day. And the only part of the "workplace" he was near was the 8x12 temporary package room, staffed by one man (who is, yes, a smoker and undoubtedly didn't give two shits).
[bold]No Clear Link Between Passive Smoking and Lung Cancer[/bold]
Dear Penthouse Forum: I never thought anything like this would happen to me . . .
R29 and R38 speak the truth.
R39, in the doses normally experienced walking a block on a city street, say, car exhaust doesn't smell nearly as nasty as your cigarette exhaust. Of course, you don't realize it, as it's you producing the exhaust.
It really does smell, and not in a good way.
Every smoker should wear one of these. A microwaved food helmet wouldn't suck, either.
R8 -- if he can carry on an intelligent conversation, I'll take him!
If you think fraus are bad, wait until you work with faggots. Silly 'mos who get all in a tizzy when they don't get their way. Talk with their hands, and want my dick all the time. That's why I go in the stall to piss when I am at work.
Serious entitlement issues. You get a fairy at work and all he does is bitch, bitch, bitch. A fat frau is nothing compared to a faggot. I know. I work with them both.
And you know their poop chutes are leaking loads.
...and here are the DL frauen.
What a charmer you are, R54. Its not that THEY want your dick, but that YOU desperately want to have sex with THEM.
OP, you're an asshole.
I am neither a smoker nor a Republican and I find anti-smoking Nazis absolutely repellent.
I do not empathize with their militant and controlling paranoia nor do I tolerate it. Smokers, on the other hand, are perfectly welcome to light up in my house. There are so few of them these days that it rarely occurs, while entitled anti-smoking assholes are legion.
Two sides of the same coin, R54.
That which we despise in ourselves, we find most repulsive in others.
Two sides. Same coin.
The kid was outside. And fuck you, R1, you stupid cunt.
I don't smoke but I can't stand these shrill bitches who try to control the world like it was their dinner party. Way too many of these entitled idiots in the world. "It's my right not to be near your outdoor cigarette smoke..."
Glad you set her straight, OP. And don't let anyone tell you differently.
R60 illustrates my point beautifully
*Ringing his bell*
Move to the right!
I've never smoked, and these anti-smoking nuts who bitch about smoke OUTSIDE really are irritating control freaks. So you get a whiff of smoke sometimes when you're outside. Boo-fucking-hoo, when you go outside you get all kinds of unpleasant smells.
OP, it's NARC, not nark. It's short for narcotics officer or narcotics agent. Think before you type. Words mean things.
What a ridiculous story.
R21, as a fat person you don't do anything to hurt me if I'm next to you. When you were a smoker you would be hurting me if I were near you. So I like you much better fat.
Second hand smoke may be unpleasant but it isn't hurting you, R67. That's a paranoid fantasy you are spinning for reasons best left unsaid.
Thank you, R63, agreed. These are the same control freak fraus that come to the theatre right when the movie is starting (or late) and then try to rearrange people on their rows so her brood can sit together or whatever ("Would you mind moving down?" I have learned to say, "Hell, no.")
I can't believe anyone would find what OP did wrong but, then, I can't believe half the stuff I see out there anyway. Take your pills and mind your own fucking business.
OP and anyone who agrees with him about "smoker's rights" are idiots.
Fuck all of you smokers and smoker symapthizers. I don't want to smell smoke.
R51 has a perfect idea. Smokers should wear that helmet contraption so they can fill their bodies and theirs alone with all the cigarette toxins.
Nothing more annoying than "smokers have rights too". You have the right to get yourself sick, not the rest of us.
[quote]Fuck all of you smokers and smoker symapthizers. I don't want to smell smoke.
First they came for the smokers....
Then they came for anyone wearing perfume, cologne, body wash, etc...
It never ends.
R71 lol I'm fine with even bad cologne, body wash or perfume. At least those people are trying to make themselves smell nice.
There's nothing pleasant about smoking and smokers are an obnoxious, entitled bunch. Their antiquated unhealthy habit shouldn't affect the rest of us.
[quote]in the doses normally experienced walking a block on a city street, say, car exhaust doesn't smell nearly as nasty as your cigarette exhaust.
Okay, R50. I'll sit in an enclosed garage with 20 chain smokers and you can sit in an enclosed garage with 1 running car. After a few hours we'll each exit and compare notes on how it went.
W&W for R73! You made me chuckle.
Why would I want to do either, R73? I was talking about the smell of your nasty cigarette smoke, not whether it will kill you faster than car exhaust. The fact still remains that as I walk down the street, I smell cigarette smoke as it goes in my nose, and I don't smell car exhaust.
You smokers -- and, apparently, smoker sympathizers -- are such babies. Or addicts. I don't know which, really: WAAAAH!!! I WANT MY CIGARETTES, AND I DON'T CARE WHO THEY BOTHER, BECAUSE I'M A NARCISSIST AND NO ONE -- NO ONE!!! -- IS AS IMPORTANT AS I AM. FUCK YOU, REST OF THE WORLD. BREATHE MY STENCH, BITCHES.
Finally, R73, may death find you, imminently and completely. It'll be nice and smoky where you're going. You'll love it.
If secondhand smoke is so deadly, how come I've never known a single fucking person who died from it? And I'm talking about my parents' and grandparents' generations, when cigarette smoke was everywhere and you really couldn't get away from it. A good percentage of them should have died from secondhand smoke, from everything we have heard about how dangerous it is, but I've never known anyone. Not even a friend of a friend of a friend.
Get some rest, R75. Poor thing.
I am far more against Control Freaks who want the world to cater to them. True assholes and, yeah, 99% fraus.
I smelled a guy's pipe smoke the other day and it smelled fantastic, like a carnival or something. Considered taking it up but he assured me it didn't taste nearly as good as it smelled.
 I know a person who died of secondhand smoke. The guy's husband was a lifelong smoker who died of lung cancer. The guy himself had never smoked in his life and died of the same thing.
Why can't people just look up the CDC findings? It's really easy to see the impact of second hand smoke. In life it's not about WHAT you see it's about what the STUDIES find. For example, my mom met a nice young lady at radiation who got lung cancer. The girl has no idea how it happened to her since she never smoked...oh, but her parents smoked throughout her childhood. Maybe it was a fluke and that had nothing to do with this young woman's Stage 3 Lung Cancer but that's only anecdotal data, which is why researchers spend years getting information to see if they can find correlations.
[R80] What is that, actual science? No way. Since I haven't witnessed anyone in my extended circle of friends dying from secondhand smoke exposure, I refuse to believe that it's even a possibility.
Also, I love how the OP's story is obviously his fake masturbatory fantasy of what he wished would have happened. He was sure to make the villain a fat frau--she wasn't even well dressed! He painstakingly explained to her in obnoxious Aspergian language why he felt she was wrong, remembering the entire phrasing verbatim, and impressing a young sexy intern in the process whose eyeballs turned into hearts.
In real life, a lady at work told him to put his cigarette out and he did.
R79 the guy in your story died of cancer. There is no possible way you can say with any degree of accuracy that his cancer was caused by second hand smoke. Ad hominem doesn't work here. There is a lot of research that shows genetics is the biggest determinator of cancer. It is entirely possible to have cancer and never have sat on a bench within 500 feet of a smoker. I would absolutely guarantee you that the guy's doctor would never be able to say he died as a result of second hand smoke. If he did he'd be a charlatan and should lose his licence.
I have never smoked but I am so very tired of self righteous whiners who claim smokers are arrogant and yet they can't see the irony of their own arrogant demands. Smoking isn't illegal.
Can't believe you bitches don't know the proper usage and spelling of "Frau."
[R83] Nice try, smoker.
Please, R85, entertain us with your proof that your imaginary friend had cancer caused by second hand smoke. Please explain to us how it is possible to prove what triggered cancer in a person. You'll get a Nobel prize if you can because nobody else has been able to.
I'm going to START smoking just to piss that R75 twat off....
I'm a former smoker so I understand how idiots harass smokers. As a former smoker I don't get mad at smokers, I just feel sorry for them that they are slowly killing themselves.
I switched to e-cigs 8 months ago. The thing that I can't stand is the idiots who act like vaping is the same as smoking and that it's just as dangerous. Sometimes they will even cough and gag as if it's actual smoke. I can't stand them. They will complain and make businesses not allow people to vape in their stores. I seriously can't stand them.
Hasn't secondhand smoke been linked to lung cancer?
It's never killed anyone, r76, and R73's challenge is right on point. The anti-smoking Nazis are under the deeply mistaken impression that anything they find annoying and/or unpleasant should be banished from the face of the earth.
Fuck all of you idiots who are still smoking. You know it's bad for you and it's bad for the rest of us. I don't give a fuck if I'm hurting your feelings-get your filthy shit away from me.
Go wear that helmet R51 suggested. That's what you all need. Keep your fucking fumes to yourselves.
You smokers are a selfish bunch.
Yes, second hand smoke has been linked to lung cancer (it increases the chance someone who doesn't smoke will get cancer) but the idiots who want 'proof' don't like scientific evidence.
World Health Organization Fact Sheet on Tobacco (see link)
[R86] You're missing the point, but I wouldn't expect an anti-science type like you to understand. I'm sure that your disgusting odor, annoying personality and buttery yellow teeth make you a joy to be around, though. I don't even mind smokers--as a previous poster said, it's slow suicide but your choice entirely-- I DO mind the ones that deny links between smoking, secondhand smoke and cancer. It's been proven, you stupid cunt.
Let me chime in here.
Second hand smoke is a problem but only a problem if it occurs in a confined space and you are frequently exposed. The people who originally came down with health problems from second hand smoke were flight attendants exposed to smoke aboard planes, waiters/waitresses exposed at work, and the spouses of people who smoked at home.
However, if you are just walking buy a group of smokers then it doesn't count. If your exposure is just in passing it doesn't count. It has to be repeated exposure over a lengthy period of time.
Please remember that lung cancer is not only caused by cigarette smoke. The second leading cause of lung cancer is radon exposure. Radon is a radioactive gas that can seep into your home from underground. It is heavier than air so it does not disperse easily. Everyone should install a radon detector in their homes along with a smoke detector and a carbon monoxide detector. The inhaling of substances, such as asbestos, can also cause cancer.
I'm a smoker. I realize I am probably cutting 10 years off my life span. I don't want to die but it is infinitely preferable to being 85 and incontinent. So there.
some woman pulled this shit with my crazy brother. She said, "I'll have you know it's illegal to smoke out here". He was sitting on a half wall outside of some store. he rose up real fast and in a really deep voice he yelled, "shut the fuck up". The cow almost fell backwards trying to get away
R96, Transition to e-cigs. You get the same satisfaction without the carcinogens. I smoked a pack day, sometimes three packs a day if I went out at night. I smoked for 20 years and have transitioned to e-cigs and haven't had a cig in almost a year now. It's wonderful.
R97 what a big brave boy mouthing off to a woman. He would get his ass beat by a lot of men if he mouthed off to them. Fucking smoker scum.
R96 instead you'll be a lot younger and die painfully with lung and heart problems. congrats.
Watch this video about Pam Laffin who died at just the age of 31 from lung cancer, leaving behind 2 daughters in 2000.
CDC stats are NOT from actual studies, not that R80 will give it a second thought. They are estimates from a computer programmed decades ago, programmed with assumptions that were found by actual studies to be erroneous.
The several largest studies on actual people, including those by the American Cancer Society and the World Health Organization (WHO), have not found statistically valid risk beyond a very small increased risk of lung cancer to someone who cohabits in close quarters with a smoker for over 30 years.
ACS and organization like them find that such studies do not bring in big money, so they continue to knowingly flog stats they have known for years are invalid.
oh shut the fuck up R100 it's still unhealthy to either smoke or be around someone who is smoking. No amount of BS will prove otherwise.
"If second hand smoke exposure is a significant risk factor for developing lung cancer, then we should expect to see increased numbers of cancer cases in non-smokers who are exposed to regular doses of second hand smoke. Has there been an increase in the incidence of lung cancer among nonsmokers over the last 40 years? The answer is quite simply… No.
Data from national mortality studies show that rates of lung cancer among non-smoking women remained stable between the 1950’s to the 1980’s (very few women smoked during those years) and didn’t rise until substantial numbers of women started smoking in more recent years."
"At the behest of Congressman Henry Waxman (D-Ca), the Congressional Research Service (CRS) spent two years examining reports... regarding second hand smoke and lung cancer (Redhead and Rowberg, 1995)...
The CRS examination of the various studies concluded that someone exposed to significant second hand smoke — a spouse for example - might increase their risk of dying from lung cancer to 2/10 of one percent, while those who are exposed on the job would have less risk: 7/100 of one percent."
"...the World Health Organization International Agency on Cancer published a report concluding that there was no statistically significant risk of lung cancer in non-smokers who lived or worked with smokers (Boffetta, et al, 1998). This study was the product of ten years of data gathered from seven European countries."
"The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) withdrew a 12-year-old petition that smoking be banned from all indoor workplaces. The withdrawal was based on a lack of evidence."
"Mayor Bloomberg of New York City proclaimed that bartenders inhale the equivalent of half a pack of cigarettes a day. In fact, a study from the U.K. showed that the average London bartender inhaled the equivalent of six cigarettes annually (about one quarter of a pack). (Matthews and MacDonald, 1998)"
Wow. What a flame war we've got going here.
Looks like holiday stress is getting to a lot of people.
[quote]rates of lung cancer among non-smoking women remained stable between the 1950’s to the 1980’s ([bold]very few women smoked during those years[/bold])Bullshit. Women smoked plenty, at least from the '60s on.
I still don't get it. The second-hand smoke issue aside, why do people smoke? It's a filthy habit, makes your breath foul, smells up your clothes and your home, and it's expensive. Why would you want to pay all that money to voluntarily inhale smoke into your lungs?
[quote]I still don't get it. The second-hand smoke issue aside, why do people smoke? It's a filthy habit, makes your breath foul, smells up your clothes and your home, and it's expensive. Why would you want to pay all that money to voluntarily inhale smoke into your lungs?
Because it's an ADDICTION--choice isn't really a factor, no matter what anyone tells you about "enjoying it." You're staving off withdrawal symptoms, what's not to enjoy?
You might as well ask a junkie why he keeps shooting up. Because stopping feels awful. Anyone who tells you otherwise is kidding themselves.
I agree R109.
I quit 12 years ago - and can honestly say I've missed every cigarette since.
Did anyone suggest it [italic]isn't[/italic] an ADDICTION, R109? That's so obvious, it doesn't need to be stated. In any case, millions of people have become un-ADDICTED, you, me, and R110 included.
I am so glad I was able to do it. What happened for me was finding a new set of friends who just didn't want to include a smoker in their plans when we went out. I'd wanted to quit -- I spent numerous weeks chewing Nicorette -- and then one fine day, I was down to my last two cigs, so I needed either to stop at CVS for a new carton or just stop smoking entirely. I chose the latter, and I haven't had a cigarette in 26 years.
Obviously, people CAN quit. Some just don't want to.
[quote]Did anyone suggest it isn't an ADDICTION, [R109]? That's so obvious, it doesn't need to be stated.
I suppose I took r108's question as evidence he wasn't thinking of it that way.
[quote]I suppose I took [R108]'s question as evidence he wasn't thinking of it that way.
R109, With the invention of e-cigs you don't have an excuse.
I smoked for 20 years. I haven't had a cigarette in 3 years.
I don't miss it and I view people who can't / won't quit as weak addicted stooges to a vile habit perpetuated by evil corporations.
I'm old (56). I've never smoked. My parents were both heavy smokers, and died of smoking-related illnesses. I've never had a LTR with a smoker. My boss always grabs a cigarette before a meeting and sitting near him gives me a headache.
Some of these young guys who hang around outside clubs and restaurants look so fucking hot when they smoke, I'd pull down their skinny jeans and blow them right there
Will will see Supreme court challenges to smoking laws now?
"Public Health" was the anti-smoking nazi's battle cry as they banned it on private property.
Smokers belong on the roofs (rooves?) of buildings, not standing in front of them.
Smokers, as a group, are the most offensive and defensive as fundie Christians. Evidence? This thread. And all the other similar threads we've had here.