When Did Older Women Start Freely Exhibiting Their Lust For Underage Boys?
I'm sure if we go back through history we could find this, but let's say within the last 100 years. I saw older women lusting after Justin Bieber who was only 15 at the time. The same happened with One Direction before they became legal. There's been so many instances at this point, I've lost count. I think it started happening on a grand scale only within the last decade.
So I'm curious, when did this suddenly become mainstream? I guess women have found their Lolita? Who would you say was the first boy they started wetting their adult diapers over?
It's really eerie seeing these mothers just as excited as their children to see some boyband, and talking about how gorgeous they are. Many of them don't even have kids. There's no doubt in my mind that they would gladly bang someone underage. This is probably why we see a spike in female teachers fucking their sixth grade students. It hasn't been shamed, unlike men daring to sleep with someone not of legal age. Older women sleeping with the young is still treated as an non-harmful act. The repercussions for such behavior is akin to a slap on the wrist, but that's another story.
Maybe this started when the cougar craze began. Older women going after young men = acceptable.
For the record, this isn't about women going after legal men who are much younger. I'm talking about women who lust after boys who are underage, and refer to them as if they were men.
"underage" is a very stupid and historically very recent obsession of the neo-feminist anti-sex hysterics. Teen males have been considered hot (though the term was not used) throughout most of history.
I blame "Twilight Moms". Remember them?
Way after the christian church did?
seriously is your next question about a chicken crossing a road or why the sky is blue?
Hot is hot, there's no getting around it. We're biologically programmed to find the freshest sexually capable humans appealing. Of course DL isn't the place to tell a truth like this since it's essentially a gathering of people psychotically devoted to pretending otherwise.
R1 is correct.
As for OP's question, Iit seems like in the past decade or so it's become more acceptable socially for moms to express lust for their daughters' teen idols. I mean, Desperate Housewives began with one of the heroines fucking the teen lawn boy.
It's the media hype. I loathe religious folk and was hard not to get caught up in the hype over the new poopy.
Where are you "seeing" this OP? You're daft. This phenomenon does not exist.
Jesse Metcalfe looked about 30 years old, r5.
I read psychologists theorize that it has to do with the societal change of parents becoming increasingly over involved and meshed with their children.
Many parents are now just blank slates who can only experience things thru their children. They like what the kids like. The girls like Bieber so the moms like Bieber so the girls will like them and the mom can feel like one of the kids.
[quote]Teen males have been considered hot (though the term was not used) throughout most of history.
Looks like Jerry Sandusky is posting on DL!
I observed it first during the who Leonardo DiCaprio Titanic era. I recall being in the theatre of another DiCaprio film and the woman next to me gushing over how in love she was with him. I think it was Man in the Iron Mask. She made sexual references and all. I went to get popcorn and moved seats.
DiCaprio was not an "underage boy" in those films, r10. He was in his 20s.
I disagree that there are no real repercussions for it, OP. Some women have received long sentences for sleeping with teenagers. Recently, one received a 30-year sentence for sleeping with a 16-year-old. Another woman received a LIFE sentence for allowing a 12-year-old boy to "inappropriately touch" her breasts - while they were both fully clothed. And then there are the several teachers who have received prison sentences for sleeping with 18-year-old students. Yes, prison time for 18-year-olds. In Texas, of course.
Women with underage boys might seem slightly more socially acceptable because teenage boys are known to be horndogs looking to stick it in anything, but it's not legally more acceptable.
R11, Leo the actor may have been in his 20's in real life, but the character he was playing was meant to be younger, and he LOOKED like a teenage boy.
R10, but he LOOKED 16 in these films.
You don't think they do that already by collecting those creepy Hummel figurines?
r11, the majority of women get next to no jail time, and many get out on good behavior. They high five boys who fuck their teachers. Men who do this are called to be hanged by society. r7, you see to be outnumbered here. Just to point out, we said that it probably happened before in history, but we're talking about in recent years. I doubt if this thread were about men, most of DL would want his head on a platter. We've had those threads before. You're right about Twilight. The 50 Shades woman wrote Twilight fan fic.
Because men have a weapon.
It started back in the 80s when little girls began to sexualize themselves with bustiers, camis, and other underwear-as-schoolwear in an imitation of their idol, Madonna.
Madonna still sets the trend, fucking guys 25 years younger.
I think R4 may not be that far off the track. I remember people going on and on about Lindsay Lohan before she was 18. 'Oh God she's going to be hot when she's older' and they were saying this when she was 17. My cousin and her 16 year old say came to visit me last summer. He's a good looking popular kid with good skin. He plays sports and works out and looks a little bit older than 16. My friends saw him and thought he was a God, I told them that he was 16 and all of sudden they were backpedaling.
No, a magic hot switch doesn't flip on when someone turns 18. And I understand why it is this way and you're moron to have sex with anyone underage, but it is still so stupid.
When the Rx for the Lithium ran out.
What a pathetically limited horizon you have, r9.
"Men who do this are called to be hanged by society."
Don't be hysterical. Many men just get a little slap on their wrist when having sex with underage girls. Heck, even many child molesters (almost all male) walk away with very lenient sentences if they get sentenced at all.
Most of you are quite stupid.
They are just buying a product that is heavily marketed, like cars, ipods, and that pizza with the "cheese" in the crust.
r8 is correct. Thread closed.
Men secretly desire to have sex with their daughters, and women secretly desire to have sex with their sons. This is rooted in the childhood Oedipus/Electra complexes, where young boys desire their mothers and young girls desire their fathers.
There is a gay version, but as far as I know it doesn't have a name. Maybe Bomer-Halls Complex?
r12 r13 The Jack Dawson character was not teenager, he was 20 or 21. Jim Cameron explained this many times. It was Winslet's character who was a teenager; Rose was 17.
In Greek Mythology who was Phaedra? I somehow remeber her in the context of younger man + older woman = lust.
I don't know anyone over the age of 10 who finds Justin Bieber hot. Why are gay men so out of touch with reality would be a better question.
You are beyond vulgar r20.
I find it beyond strange that anyone over the age of 15 would find Harry Styles hot. He looks like a child. He's way too scrawny and too short for my tastes. And not very good looking. Plus he has zits. On his face, on his back, all over himself. He also looks like he has bad breath & he stinks.
"Men who do this are called to be hanged by society."
Odd, but to my knowledge, only a few Catholic priests have even been jailed for the pedophilia scandal, and none have been hanged. In fact, most priests involved in this scandal are walking the streets as we speak.
Hysterial harpie much?
I don't know how much good Andy Cohen thinks he is doing "the gays" when he talks about the physical perfection of Harry Styles (who is 25? 30 years younger?) on his little TV show. As he did just a week ago.
I think tha r8 is correct. My friend has a daughter, age 16. My friend, in her mid 40s, fawns over the boys the daughter brings around. The mom had a cold sore last week, and hid in her bedroom so the 'hot boys' wouldn't see her when they came over. She acts like she is one of the teenagers, but I think this ins't uncommon these days.
I also agree with R8. Mothers increasingly want to be "besties" with their daughters instead of parenting them, so they adopt typical tween/teen interests and obsessions to help cement the bond.
There's a big difference between thinking a hottie is cute and sexually appealing, especially if his movie role portrays him in that manner, (Hemsworth) and actually wanting sexual contact with a "kid" in real life. Some women and men haven't set boundaries in their behavior.
That's pathetic, R33. If she only knew that those boys are laughing at her behind her back. She needs to grow up and act her age before she makes an even bigger fool of herself.
I know these women. The think they're "hot" because they're thin (from smoking and recreational drugs). They are usually over tanned with fake tits and way too long (for their age) platinum blond hair that looks like straw.
Did I get that right, R33?
What on earth could be appealing about a teenage boy to a 40 y/o woman? They don't even look like men, and their personalities are absolutely unbearable.
Parents of teen boys know the REAL truth. We CAN'T wait for them to grow up just so we can finally have an intelligent conversation with our own kids.
Seems like the double standard goes the other way on DL. Imagine a straight man being seen as a pervert, because he is attracted on an actress in her mid 20s, who plays a teenager in a movie.
Isn't it a truth, universally acknowledged, that young people are hot and old people are not?
Not a difficult thing to understand, men have been drooling over teen girls forever, now women are less ashamed of doing the same. It's not that they are gross, it's that EVERYONE is gross.
Also, I don't know anyone who finds Bieber attractive and all of One Direction were always of 'age' as that is 16 in the UK
[quote]Hot is hot, there's no getting around it. We're biologically programmed to find the freshest sexually capable humans appealing. Of course DL isn't the place to tell a truth like this since it's essentially a gathering of people psychotically devoted to pretending otherwise.
This is incorrect for women. Totally false blathering bullshit, R4. Women are bio programed to find MEN appealing. If you're going to spout off about attraction from a evolutionary standpoint, at least get it right. For survival of the species, females have historically chosen providers and protectors to keep them safe from attack and their offspring well fed. Females were most vulnerable while pregnant or caring for young children. A strong, capable man was needed. No kid who looks like Beiber fits that description.
Sorry, but its pathological (and goes against nature) for a woman to be attracted to someone who still looks like a boy.
[quote]Isn't it a truth, universally acknowledged, that young people are hot and old people are not?
Lol, r36, you described her physical appearance perfectly, but she doesn't smoke or do drugs (she works out and diets to be 100 pounds with huge fake breasts). She says that the teenaged boys these days are more mature looking and acting than they were when she was in school, but she is full of it. I have seen these boys, and they look like children to me. She also flirts with the teenaged lifeguards at the pool at our gym, which embarasses the hell out of me. For the record, I would be equally disgusted if a male were hitting on female teenagers. Its just creepy, and reeks of desperation.
No one cares what some frau thinks "goes against nature", r36/r39.
P.S.: Any pics of your smelly dorky teenage sons? They sound like they could be hot.
r28 I agree. I don't know why DL thinks most or a significant portion of middle aged women are checking for teenagers and early 20 somethings.
Most teenage boys these days seem to be "off," they look to have Asperger's or some ADHD syndrome.
They all live at home now until the age of thirty, ride skateboards as grown men, and are too invested in computer games. This is not attractive. Who the fuck would find this attractive.
And they do stink.
R44, having been to several graduation parties for last May/June for children of friends, I wholeheartedly agree with you. It was actually shocking to me how much more "alive" were the girls in comparison to the boys.
Have you seen Elizabeth Hasselebeck on the View fawn over Justin Beaver and the little girls he dates? She is obsessed with his love life as if she were a 13 year old girl reading Tiger Beat. It's disgusting.
r39 No, women are biologically attracted to males that have the BEST SPERM. Older men are more likely to pass on genetic defects.
Why are men(even gay men!) so threatened by older women wanting younger men?? It is good to know that men are just as insecure over their dating prospects as women.
Most people don't want saggy skin or a balding man if they have options. This is no different than straight men going after younger women if they have options.
If straight women want "older men" why doesn't porn(even porn made for women like "erotica") have old men in them??
"This is probably why we see a spike in female teachers fucking their sixth grade students."
No, there is no spike in women haveing sex with underage boys. The percentage of female sex offenders has remained steady. Only about 3.5% of sex offenders are female. That number has not increased. These cases are just getting more media coverage so it seems like they are becoming more common. Oh, and male teachers are 9 times more likely to be fired for having sex with a student.
"the majority of women get next to no jail time, and many get out on good behavior"
Not true. Women only receive lighter sentences, on average, because they are less likely to use violence and coercion than male offenders. When you look at male and female offenders who have committed similar offences the women do not get lighter sentences.
"Teen males have been considered hot (though the term was not used) throughout most of history."
It's MEN who found teenage males hot in the ancient world, not women. Women have historically married and mated with men older than themselves, and that has not changed. In the typical marriage the man is a few years older than the female. Most adult females do not care about Justin Bieber. OP is using anecdotal evidence to make generalizations.
R47, you are confusing the term "older men" with "old men." Studies have shown time and again that women prefer men SLIGHTLY older than themselves, not ancient geezers. The average age at first marriage keeps going up but what hasn't changed is that women want to marry guys who are a few years older.
"No, women are biologically attracted to males that have the BEST SPERM. Older men are more likely to pass on genetic defects"
Again, there is a difference between "old men" and "older men." Very few women want to date guys who are really old. But, on average, they want to date men who are older than they are.
"Most people don't want saggy skin or a balding man if they have options. This is no different than straight men going after younger women if they have options"
Men place far more emphasis on the looks and youth of their partners than women do. Women place more emphasis on things like wealth, status, and a guy having social skills and a good personality. But, AGAIN, that doesn't mean women want to date grandpa.
[quote]Women have historically married and mated with men older than themselves, and that has not changed. In the typical marriage the man is a few years older than the female. Most adult females do not care about Justin Bieber. OP is using anecdotal evidence to make generalizations
Slow clap for R48.
So typical of deluded DL shut ins to point to a few extremes and call something relatively rare "a new trend."
There was a woman near me who received a 15-year sentence for sex with a 15-year old. The average sentence for statutory rape (whether committed by man or woman) is less than 5 years.
So even if it's true that "the majority of women get next to no jail time," the sentencing for men is also very lenient.
The penalties are harsher for pedophilia or child molestation, as they should be, but that's not what is being discussed. We are not talking about little prepubescent boys. We are talking about mid-to-late adolescents, several years past puberty and close to being adults. Boys hit their sexual peak in their teenage years, and face it, a lot of teenage boys are HOT. Obviously we're not talking about the dorky, zitty, gross ones here. It does not break any natural law to be attracted to good-looking males who happen to be in their teens, but it breaks social law and transgresses gender expectations. No one would think twice about a man being attracted to a pretty teenage girl or twenty-something actress.
There's nothing wrong with being attracted to the attractive. But it's illegal in our society to have sex with the underaged, so as long as these adults are not actively trying to do that, I don't see the problem. Maybe these women should be more discreet when lusting from afar, but the men I know who lust after younger women aren't particularly discreet about it, either.
[quote]Isn't it a truth, universally acknowledged, that young people are hot and old people are not?
Yes, it is true. But datalounge is the place where defectives with all sorts of resentments and issues come to convince each other otherwise.
A male who pretends that the youngest sexually mature females or males are not the most appealing, is lying and needs serious therapy.
That said, it doesn't necessarily mean that 35 + 15 is a wise relationship. Generally those couplings don't work for many reasons. But attraction is a different thing.
Well there is a difference in being attracted to teens and early 20 year olds. It is natural to be attracted to those who are in their 20's--teenagers less so.
[quote]Yes, it is true. But datalounge is the place where defectives with all sorts of resentments and issues come to convince each other otherwise.
That was evident pretty quickly when I first started reading DL. Specifically I've noticed that DL attracts people who have some very weird gender obsessions. They view gender differences in a grotesquely exaggerated cartoonish way. So for them, "masculine" seems to mean some kind of old steroid freak - or just old period, hence the sexually related posts with "daddy" in them (I won't get into the incestual component of that). Some of it may be that they want to think of themselves as desirable, so they try to believe that people their age are "hot," but really I think it's more that they've had some childhood issues with gender that push them in a direction that unnaturally emphasizes the old as some kind of ideal. In my life I've run into almost nobody like that, but for some reason, they do congregate here.
Women are coached from childhood to spend ridiculous amounts of money on everything related to beauty and attractiveness.
Available women over 35 know that available men 35 and older are going to look for younger women. So advertisers push the "cougar" image to sell older women products with the promise that they can land a "boy toy."
The hideous notion that we are all supposed to remain sexually active and attractive well into our seventies is worth hundreds of billions in sales and advertising.
"Boys hit their sexual peak in their teenage years, and face it, a lot of teenage boys are HOT. Obviously we're not talking about the dorky, zitty, gross ones here."
In many of the cases I've read about involving teen boys and grown women, the boys were not particularly "hot" (and most of the women were not, either, but the hot ones like Deborah LaFave get all the headlines). And girls who get involved with older men usually aren't "hot Lolitas" either. It's not always about sex or wanting someone "hot" - many of the adults actually believe themselves to be in love with the teenager. Look at Mary Kay Letourneau - she's still with that guy, years later. He's a 30-ish adult now and they are still together. She just fell for him, for whatever reason.
Baby Boomers are terrified of getting old. They have ushered-in the outpatient plastic surgery era.
For some reason, people freeze their brains at the time they were the hottest. Then they avoid mirrors and cameras.
You would not beieve the fraus of "a certain age" who chase after Gerard Butler. It's both embarrassing and hilarious. He admits to being 44, but looks older, but his "fan club" is populated by 60-somethings decked out like clowns in garish make-up & jeans. I was at a very nondescript ordinary diner/restaurant one night not far from where a film of his opened and these women came in fresh from standing on the rope line at the red carpet. They were absurd. Truly.
[quote]Women only receive lighter sentences, on average, because they are less likely to use violence and coercion than male offenders.
You're such a moron.
[quote]Don't be hysterical. Many men just get a little slap on their wrist when having sex with underage girls. Heck, even many child molesters (almost all male) walk away with very lenient sentences if they get sentenced at all.
[italic]Odd, but to my knowledge, only a few Catholic priests have even been jailed for the pedophilia scandal, and none have been hanged. In fact, most priests involved in this scandal are walking the streets as we speak.
Hysterial harpie much?[/italic]
I never said they were hanged. DL is full of retards b
"Female sex offenders: Rise in Wales from 78 to 193 in three years"
The number of women registered as sex offenders in Wales has more than doubled in the last three years.
The figure rose from 78 in 2009 to 193 in 2012.
The number of men over 70 years old on the register also more than doubled, while the total number of registered sex offenders in Wales rose by 70%.
Cardiff University lecturer Dr Kirsty Hudson said one factor in the rise could be that more people were coming forward to the police with information.
The information was obtained in a Freedom of Information request by BBC Wales' Welsh language news website Newyddion Ar-lein.
'Most at risk'
The number of registered sex offenders increased in every age group, including young people aged under 21.
Barnardo's Cymru has called for specialist support services to be available across all areas to help manage children and young people who sexually harm.
Denise Moultrie, Barnardo's Cymru Taith Service manager, said: "It is important that those children and young people most at risk of inappropriate sexual behaviour are identified early on.
"Evidence shows that most young people who receive suitable support and work to address their behaviour will not continue to sexually abuse others.
"The Taith Service works in tandem with children's services and the police to assess risk and to identify what services are most needed by the young person and his family".
Dr Hudson, a lecturer in Cardiff University's School of Social Sciences, who has researched sexual offending and sex offenders, said there was an increased understanding of the matter.
"We're learning more about women as offenders in general, and about sex offenders in general," she said.
"More information is being disseminated to the public, and people feel more confident in the criminal justice system and so come forward."
On the 116% increase in the number of men over 70 on the register, she added: "Some of these could be historical cases, with people coming forward with information about what happened to them as a child.
"Generally the topic is more in the public domain, with people talking about it more, which is a good thing".
The Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo) cited better technology used to catch sex offenders as a possible reason for the figures.
A spokesman for Acpo said: "Improved technology, improved inter-agency working and a very robust approach to allegations of sexual offences is resulting in more convictions.
"Improved treatment of victims, for example through Sexual Assault Referral Centres, is resulting in more historical complaints of abuse which are also being rigorously followed up.
"Actions of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection (CEOP) Centre and preventative campaigns regarding the use of the internet, social networking etc is resulting in more complaints which are being followed up rigorously."
He added that, for example, improved technology was providing evidence of internet offences of child sex abuse.
"Slapping female sex offenders' wrists is wrong"
When male teachers sext or have sex with their students, nobody laughs. When female teachers do this, the titters don't stop.
Example: a wink-wink blog post on phoenixnewtimes about Gabriela Compton, a 21-year-old (former) middle-school teacher's aide in Phoenix. Compton sent a 14-year-old boy at her school a picture of herself topless. He sexted back a photo of a penis he'd found on the Internet. A few sexts later, Compton found herself accused of having sex with the boy in her van. A 13-year-old went to the police and said he'd sexted with Compton, too, and she reportedly admitted to that and the sex.
She was charged with three counts of sexual abuse, three counts of sexual abuse with a minor and one other related count. Altogether the charges carried a maximum term of 39 years in prison. In March, she pleaded guilty to the sexual abuse counts - and got lifetime probation. She'll have to register as a sex offender, but she won't go to prison.
As law professor Doug Berman says, it is not possible to imagine a male teacher getting off so lightly for having sex with a 14-year-old girl. Is Compton's light sentence typical? Can it be justified?
The answer to the first question is mostly no: Compton's wrist slap is in important ways an outlier. My Slate colleague Will Saletan has been here before me. Teacher Beth Geisel pleaded guilty to molesting a student in 2006, prompting CNN's Nancy Grace to ask: "Why is it, when a man rapes a little girl, he goes to jail, which I'm all for, by the way, but when a woman rapes a boy, she had a breakdown?"
Saletan pointed out a 1991 study that found little difference in the likelihood that male and female sex offenders would go to prison. And he updated the numbers with his own informal survey of 37 inmates who'd recently been sentenced. What was different was how long they would remain incarcerated: Saletan found that the men were in prison for an average of 11 years, while the women were there for less than two. But the women were also far less likely to have molested multiple children or to have molested kids under 16.
That is where Compton is in unusual and unfortunate territory. Since she was accused of having sex with a 14-year-old and sexting him and a 13-year-old, she's not a gal having sex with an older teen. She was doing something ickier.
Is her sentence of probation justified because women molesting boys is just different from men molesting girls? There are salient differences between men and women when it comes to sex offenses. For starters, men are far more likely to commit sexual assault than women are. They are also rearrested much more often.
The women who perpetrate this misconduct have serious problems. Like the men, they have poor coping skills and trouble showing empathy. A report by the Center for Sex Offender Management breaks female sex offenders into three types.
The first group were coerced by men into abusing children, even their own. The second were themselves victims of incest or other sexual abuse - this kind of history is far more likely for female sex offenders than for men, and the women in this category also tend to victimize young children in their own families.
The third type, labeled "teacher/lover," sounds more like Gabriela Compton. They were "often struggling with peer relationships, seemed to regress and perceive themselves as having romantic or sexually mentoring 'relationships' with underaged adolescent victims of their sexual preference, and, therefore, did not consider their acts to be criminal in nature."
The law should err on the side of caution and uniformity here. And I can't get my mind around probation for a woman who was facing nearly four decades in prison. Thirteen-year-old boys should be shielded from predatory adults the same way girls are.
Emily Bazelon writes about law and family for Slate.
"Why Female Sex Offenders Numbers Are On The Rise"
A trusted, even respected or beloved teacher is accused of having a sexual relationship with a student. What used to shock us, but is now much too commonplace, is that the teacher is a woman.
The decade-long wave of sexual offenses committed by women — teachers in particular have exposed a cultural double standard: The public is more willing to accept the female abuser’s claim that she had a “relationship” with the victim. And in cases in which the male is a teenager, the sexual abuse is more likely to be dismissed as a rite of passage. The questionable, yet overriding assumption, is that women predators are somehow different from men.
The traits women predators exhibit — seeing themselves as a victim, low self-esteem, a sense of inadequacy, needing to be the center of attention, putting their own need for a connection before anything and everything else.
What would drive a woman to sexually abuse a child? Experts say it’s not just sex. According to the Justice Department’s most recent statistics, sex offenses are still very much a man’s crime. Female sex offenders are very rare: 96 percent of the sex assaults reported in 1999 involved male perpetrators.
Women were most commonly involved in sex abuse cases involving victims under age 6, making up 12 percent of those offenders. Women were involved in 3 percent of the sex cases involving victims age 6 through 12, and 3 percent for victims ages 13 through 17.
Male victims, some experts believe, can be more confused than females because of the myths.
Adults can manipulate their victims into thinking they were equal and willing participants in sexual acts. Males can also believe that they allowed themselves to be abused and therefore are “sissies” or that they must be gay. Male victims may also believe they will be “turned gay,” especially if the abuser is male. Because of these various myths, male victims may not admit or even realize they’ve been abused until they reach adulthood.
"Female sex offenders more prevalent than reported"
This was Kristen Jordan’s answer when asked how many cases of female sex offenders she had personally dealt with.
As the Property and Evidence Manager and maintainer of the sex offender registration website at the DuPage County Sheriff’s Office, Jordan deals with cases of rape, sexual assault, and sexual abuse every day. Yet, she has never personally come across a case in which a female was the offender.
There are seven females who are registered as sexual offenders in DuPage County, five of which are considered sexual predators.
It became mandatory for sex offenders to register online in their county in 1996. Since then, the most recent female in DuPage County to have registered was in 2009.
“That doesn’t mean that there aren’t more female sex offenders in DuPage County,” Jordan said. “They may just be registered somewhere else.”
Less people report female sexual offenders, and they are harder to keep track of compared to male offenders.
According to female-offenders.com, “out of roughly 1,000 men who disclosed being sexually abused by a female, only four reported it.” That is less than three percent.
According to Julia Hislop, licensed clinical psychologist and author of Female Sex Offenders: What Therapists, Law Enforcement, and Child Protective Services Needs to Know, men tend not to report cases of sexual assault by a female because they are “socialized to enjoy any sex they can get.” The ridicule they may face from their peers is cause enough for them to keep quiet.
However, grown men are not the only victims of sexual assault by a female. The female sex offenders registered in DuPage County were all charged with the sexual assault of a minor.
Although the registration process does not ask for the gender of the victim, the common trend is that the victims were mostly young children, easy prey for an adult, according to Jordan.
Female-offenders.com reiterates Jordan’s observations by quoting the Center for Sex Offender Management (CSOM).
“An estimated 1.6 million men and 1.5 million women were sexually abused by women when they were children.”
So why is there so little known about female sex offenders and why are they just now popping up in the media?
Hislop writes, “As a society, we find it nearly impossible to believe that females, usually seen as nurturing, are capable of sexual abuse.”
Studies have actually shown that female sex offenders are on the rise. According to the U.S. Justice Department in an interview with DADI.org (Dads Against the Divorce Industry), in 1980, prisons across the country were home to less than 100 female sex offenders. In 2000, the number had risen to almost 1,200.
There is very little known about the psychology of female sex offenders because there are very few compared to male offenders. The CSOM offered a possible explanation of why females may sexually assault others.
“Sexual victimization histories are exceedingly more common among adult and adolescent female sexual offenders than with male sexual offenders,” the CSOM said. “[Also,] their maltreatment experiences are often more long-standing and severe.”
Very few states offer treatment programs for female sexual offenders. In fact, the very first one opened in Texas in 2000 according to DADI.org.
In 2002, a 16-year-old girl was sexually assaulted by her female athletic trainer at a New Jersey high school. The trainer was sentenced to four years in prison. The girl’s father was happy about the sentence but claimed the community did not support the family’s decision to press charges.
“If it had been a male teacher, it would have been very different in terms of the community’s reaction,” the father, who asked to remain anonymous, said in an interview with DADI.org. “In a way, the community wanted to ignore it.”
Just this past November, a Bible camp instructor in Louisiana was arrested for sexual battery and kidnapping of a minor, according to The Huffington Post.
Heather Daughdrill, 28, met the 13-year-old boy at a summer Bible camp and continued a relationship with him until her arrest. Her bond is currently set at $47,000.
According to Hislop, the vast majority of women who commit sexual assault get away with it easily, with little, if any, punishment.
With more and more cases of sexual assault by a female offender surfacing in the media, the profile of the female sex offender continues to grow. Hislop states that female sex offenders often live alone and have few friends and little to no family support.
“These people are not emotionally very healthy,” Hislop said in an interview with DADI.org.
There is also a common misconception that the majority of female sex offenders work with a male partner. In some cases this is true. There are counts of females getting reduced sentences because their male counterparts took advantage of them, but there are still a large number of females who assault their victims alone.
Hislop reminds us that it is not about the offenders at all, it is about the victims.
“You don’t care if it’s a man or woman who is assaulting you,” she said.
"Female Sex Offenders: Double Standard?"
Are all sex offenders treated the same? Does the public take the cases as seriously when the offender or alleged offender is a woman? Many people are asking those questions after several highly-publicized scandals involving female teachers and male students.
As Susan Koeppen observed on The Early Show Thursday, the majority of sex offenders are men, but it's the women who get a lot of the attention.
When a beautiful teacher seduces a student, some people think, "What's the harm?"
But Koeppen spoke with one student who says his "affair" with a teacher left him devastated.
"I'm still trying to battle back," Jason Eickmeyer told Koeppen. "This happened in 2003, and it's 2006, and I still can't get it out of my mind."
At 15, reports Koeppen, Eickmeyer was a champion wrestler, with dreams of going to a Division I school. But he says all that changed his sophomore year at Hammonton High in Hammonton, N.J., when, he says, he caught the eye of 26-year-old gym teacher, Traci Tapp.
"She asked me my name," Jason says, "and I said, 'Jason Eickmeyer,' and she said, 'Oh, so the rumors are true.' And I said, 'What rumors?' And she said that she thought I was pretty cute.
"It kinda fired me up a little bit, being 15 years old, that's what you wanna hear from a beautiful teacher like that."
Jason says their relationship quickly escalated from hallway flirtation to a sexual encounter at the teacher's home. Jason says he was in love.
"Our dreams were to be together forever and produce the blonde hair, blue-eyed children," he says.
He says he began skipping classes to be with Tapp, and she told him to keep their affair a secret.
But it didn't stay that way for long.
"People always saw me together with her, every day," he tells Koeppen.
Jason says teachers as well as students knew about the relationship, but no one stepped in.
When Jason finally told his mother about the relationship, she reported it to his guidance counselor, who immediately called police.
"It hurt. I mean, he's my baby, he is my youngest son," says Tina Eickmeyer.
Two years after the alleged affair began, Tapp was arrested.
Tina says she's "disgusted" that nobody stepped in to stop the relationship before it was brought to her attention.
"If it had been a male, definitely, he would have been arrested right away," she contends.
Koeppen says: "We contacted the principal of the high school and the superintendent of Hammonton schools, but neither would comment. This case raises the question: Does our society have a double standard when the alleged perpetrator is a woman?"
"We just don't take it seriously," asserts psychologist Dr. Richard Gartner, who adds such cases are often the subject of jokes.
But Gartner stresses this is no laughing matter, noting that victims of female sex offenders can suffer severe emotional scars, including depression, anxiety, addiction to drugs and alcohol, and sexual dysfunction.
Says Gartner: "This can interfere with trust; this can interfere with self-esteem. It can go beyond love relationships — there can be all kinds of authority problems, because this is an authority that abused him."
Once an under-reported crime, cases of female sex offenders now make regular headlines, Koeppen says. But do the punishments fit the crimes?
"The reality is that they're just not going to be sentenced to the same kind of lengthy prison sentences that the men get," laments Tony Rackauckas, the District Attorney of Orange County, Calif.
He says he sees this double standard in the courtroom all the time.
One example: middle school teacher Sarah Bench-Salorio, convicted last year of sexually assaulting 11-, 12-, and 13-year-old boys. She faced more than 60 years behind bars. The judge gave her six.
"If she was a male teacher, I don't think she'd ever see the light of day again," Rackauckas says.
Tina Eickmeyer couldn't agree more, asserting, "There is a double standard; women can get away with it."
She says her son's relationship with his teacher took a devastating toll: His grades plummeted, he quit the wrestling team, and he was even suspended from school.
"It got to the point," Jason says, "where I didn't care if I graduated anymore, I didn't want to see anybody in that school, I didn't care about going on to wrestle, because all I could think about was her."
Charged with sexual assault, Tapp eventually pleaded guilty to "offensive touching," and walked away with no jail time at all. Her punishment? She was barred from teaching in New Jersey public schools, and had to pay a $225 fine.
"If she was a male teacher and I was a female student," Jason insists, "she would have been put away with maximum penalties. Three years of my life has been taken away because of a relationship, and I don't think justice was served at all."
The Eickmeyers say they plan to sue the school district for emotional damages, claiming the staff knew about the affair, but did nothing.
Koeppen says CBS News contacted Tapp, who declined a request for an interview, but denied having a sexual relationship with Jason.
The Early Show co-anchor Hannah Storm asked Koeppen what the allure is for female teachers who seek make student sex partners.
"Experts say many of these women were sexually abused as children," Koeppen says. "In some cases, these women say they were unpopular as teenagers, and these relationships make them feel cool and attractive."
What are the warning signs for parents that might indicate their child is having a relationship with a teacher?
"If your child is spending a lot of time with a teacher, male or female, outside the classroom," Koeppen says, "that's a major red flag. Look into it."
"Female nursery worker arrested over paedophile network investigation"
Vanessa George, 39, who lives in Plymouth with her husband and two teenage daughters, was detained at home at dawn on suspicion of distributing indecent images of children.
The privately run Little Ted's child care centre in Plymouth, where she worked for the past three years, was closed as police carried out searches.
Officers are investigating whether Mrs George took photographs of any of the children at the nursery and are trying to identify a number of youngsters in the images.
Police sources said yesterday that the pornographic pictures were "at the top end of the scale".
One parent said it was her "worst nightmare" and said she had contacted Ofsted two months ago after her child came home from nursery in a distressed state - but did not hear back.
Nursery assistant spat at by parents at court appearance 12 Jun 2009
Nursery worker jailed for sexually abusing children 28 Oct 2009
Faye Goodman, 23, mother of two-year-old son Ronnie, said: "A couple of times after nursery he was shaking and said he didn't like a particular member of staff. He said 'I don't like her, I don't like her'.
"I tried to get him to explain but he is only two and he can't express himself completely. I didn't know what to do so I contacted Ofsted about the situation but I never heard back.
"It is disgusting. It is every parent's worst nightmare."
It is not Ofsted's duty to investigate allegations, however officials there admit they would be expected to pass the letter on to detectives or contact the complainant and ask her to contact her local police station.
Devon police sources said they had not received any complaints about Mrs George in the past few months, and had acted on intelligence following a raid on the home of Colin Blanchard, 38, in Manchester.
It is believed that detectives found a disk allegedly linked to Mrs George, which was passed to police in Devon on Monday night.
It is suspected that Mrs George may have sent the images on a disk to Mr Blanchard, who emailed them to others.
Chf Supt Jim Webster, of Devon and Cornwall police, said: "We are taking the matter very seriously.
"It is difficult to identify exactly who is in the images at this stage.
"The starting point of the investigation was internet based. In an investigation of this nature there is often a chain of communication and passing on of images.
"We received information yesterday about the receipt of indecent images and searches are still on going. There is naturally great concern in the community. We will make sure parents and the wider community are kept informed."
The nursery school, which has nine staff and 64 pupils aged from two to eleven, is located within the grounds of Laira Green Primary School which has 284 pupils.
Parents dropping children at the day care unit and school were given letters from senior police explaining a staff member has been arrested yesterday.
Chrissy Goodwin, who has two children aged 10 and six at the school, said it was "disturbing".
The unit is managed by a board of trustees and is a not for profit enterprise and serves the Laira area of Plymouth.
It was visited by Ofsted inspectors in 2007 who said: "Protecting children from harm or neglect and helping them stay safe is satisfactory. Children are cared for in a mainly safe and secure environment."
A spokesman for Greater Manchester Police said: "A 38-year-old Littleborough man has been charged with possessing indecent images.
"Colin Blanchard was charged with possessing and distributing indecent images. He was due before Trafford magistrates court on Tuesday 9 June 2009.
"The charges relate to images recovered from a computer, mobile phones and other items of software.
"Following our investigation information was passed to Devon and Cornwall police who have arrested a 39-year-old woman. For more information speak to Devon and Cornwall police."
An Ofsted spokesperson said: "Ofsted was unaware of the recent allegations about a member of staff at Little Ted's Nursery in Plymouth which we understand has led to its immediate closure.
"We have had one recent complaint relating to the nursery. This complaint was not of a level that would require police involvement and did not relate to the content of the allegations made public today "Ofsted is investigating this matter in line with our normal procedures and it would not be appropriate to comment further until the outcomes of that investigation are complete."
"Female Sex Offender statistics – why the variations?"
There are a number of reasons why getting accurate numbers is difficult. Some of the reasons are obvious such as how questions are worded and asked, how things such as sexual abuse are defined, sexual abuse is under-reported, etc.
Other reasons are not always so obvious. For instance if you are looking at crime report data this only looks at cases that were officially reported. However this can be misleading because, even now, some states and agencies make it impossible for a female to be in the category of “Rape” because of how they define it. Older data (and studies) can be influenced by this as well as states may not have updated their definitions back then.
Under reporting of sexual abuse is common and sexual abuse committed by a female is probably the most under reported of them all. For example one study by Denov found this:
29% reported having sexually abused children at some point in their lives. The men were charged and convicted. The sexual abuse by the women was never reported.
In the documentary When Girls Do It they stated that out of roughly 1,000 men who state they were sexually abused by a female only 4 ever officially reported it. That is less than 1/2 of one percent. Rosencran’s (1997) study of female perpetrated sexual abuse found that only 3% of the female victims and 0% of the male victims told anyone about the sexual abuse during their childhood, even though 100% of them reported it was damaging. Another study by Johnson and Shrier’s (1987) found that even though the male victims experienced the abuse as highly traumatic, none of them reported it to a mental health, social service, or criminal justice agency. These are but a few of the studies that all have the same results.
Another factor is that there are lay people and professionals alike that did not believe it possible for a female to sexually abuse a child and if it did happen there would be little to no harm done. In 1994 Alix Kirsta noted in her book that many believe women’s physiology renders them incapable of abusive acts. Kathryn Jennings in her work stated:
Viewing females as perpetrators of sexual abuse challenges traditional cultural stereotypes. Females are thought of as mothers, nurturers, those who provide care for others; not as people who harm or abuse them. Since, historically, females have been viewed as non-initiators, limit-setters, and anatomically the receivers of sexuality, it is difficult for some to imagine a female sexually abusing others.
Lets look at one statement made by J, Mathis who stated:
that she might seduce a child into sex play is unthinkable and even if she did so what harm could she do without a penis?
In 1984 another study stated, “Pedophilia either does not exist at all in women, or is extremely rare.”
If you don’t look for a problem you won’t find a problem. If you don’t believe there is a problem why look for it? The easiest person in the world to deceive is ourselves and this applies to researchers as well.
There was an article in published in the UK around the time of the Vanessa George case that stated this:
Women suspected of committing sexual offences have traditionally been treated differently by the criminal justice system, often being referred on to social services or welfare agencies for treatment. While male paedophiles tend to be viewed as predators, female paedophiles have in the past been regarded as mentally ill.
When cases involving women offenders do go to court, they are often referred to family court for trial and are not reported because of confidentiality restrictions.
What has also led us to assume that women abusers are a rarity is that there is less reporting of sexual abuse by women. In their role as caregivers, women, like George, are the least suspected and the most hidden. Sexual abuses occur most typically against their own children, relatives, or with other children in their care. Many of the children are too young to be able to know what is being done to them, much less to complain about it. Older children may feel too guilty, ashamed, or, in the case of boys, emasculated to report it.
Research suggests that the incidence of mother-son incest is far greater than we imagine it to be. Again, there are various reasons why it does not get discovered: if the mother is a single parent, it is less likely to be spotted by a fellow adult. Then there is the nature of the behaviour – say, bathing an 11-year-old child. This would be considered abusive if carried out by a father, but merely eccentric or abnormal if done by a mother. And whatever the precise nature of the abuse, if it started at an early age it is likely to be regarded as ‘normal’ by the child.
Another article from Canada had this:
The instance is probably higher, since researchers are certain that many cases of child sexual abuse never come to light. “A lot of people have difficulty believing women are capable of sexually abusing children,” said social worker Angela Hovey, whose doctoral thesis deals with a topic related to this theme.
Even victims of such abuse, looking back at it as adults, have a hard time talking about it.
In her past employment in federal prisons, she would ask inmates about any sexual abuse in their past. “Many men had been abused by women.” The problem, she said, was “they often had more difficulty identifying it as abuse.”
“Do I think it happens a lot more than we hear about? Absolutely,” said Bill Bevan, executive director of the Windsor-Essex Children’s Aid Society — which sees two or three such cases each year.
Most don’t end up in prosecutions because the young victims aren’t capable of testifying. “It could be a teacher. It could be a sister. It could be a babysitter. It could be a mother with her child.”
Society kids that teenage boys abused by women are somehow “lucky” and females, by nature, are too nurturing to commit such an offence. In any case of child sexual abuse, there’s “kind of gender bias” that automatically excludes women from suspicion, Bevan said.
“It’s not the first place you look. It’s the father figure you look at first.”
Tracy Peter, a feminist researcher, stated this in a study titled “Exploring taboos: comparing male – and female-perpetrated sexual abuse“:
Girls were more likely to be victimized for both male- and female-perpetrated sexual violence and females tended to abuse younger children. The majority of children came from families with lower socioeconomic status although one in five victims of female-perpetrated sexual abuse came from middle-class homes. Referrals to child welfare agencies were more likely to be made by nonprofessionals when females abused.
Again the reference to cases being referred to child welfare agencies when females where the abuser.
We have seen recent cases in which the teachers, much like the Penn State case, were not reported even though others knew about it. For example in 2006 the New York Times ran an article titled A History of Sex With Students, Unchallenged. In it they had this:
Many in this gray, insular city are at a loss to explain why Diane Cherchio West was allowed to continue working in the public school system for two decades after she was caught in 1980 kissing and groping a 13-year-old student at an eighth-grade dance.
Why, after her promotion to guidance counselor at Bayonne High School, no one alerted social services, school officials or the police when she became pregnant by an 11th grader she supervised, Steven West, and married him upon his graduation in 1985.
Or why, when that baby, Steven Jr., grew to be a teenager, no one balked as his 15-year-old friend moved in with Ms. West, who then seduced the friend with Scooby-Doo boxer shorts and evening jaunts to sports bars and used her school authority to rearrange his classes around their secret trysts.
Add to this the fact that many still feel that sexual abuse by a female is relatively harmless. A study in 1994 described law enforcement officers unable to appreciate that boys could suffer from sexual abuse from an older woman. In a 2004 study Myriam Denov also found that “emerging studies have revealed that the general public and professionals working in the area of child welfare perceive sexual abuse by women as relatively harmless as compared to sexual abuse by men.”
Denov’s 2001 research explored psychiatrists’ and police perspectives on female sex offending. The study found that both professional groups viewed sexual abuse by women as less harmful than sexual abuse by men. Moreover, efforts were made by psychiatrists and police officers, either consciously or unconsciously, to transform the female sex offender and her offense, realigning them with more culturally acceptable notions of female behavior. This ultimately led to a denial of the problem.
This is from the 2004 Denov study:
Broussard, Wagner, and Kazelskis (1991) asked 180 female and 180 male undergraduates their perceptions of the effects of child sexual abuse on the victim. Participants tended to view the interaction of a male victim with a female perpetrator as less representative of child sexual abuse. They also believed that male victims of female offenders would experience less harm than if the victim was a woman or girl and the offender was a man. Similarly, Finkelhor (1984) found that his survey participants tended to view the sexual offenses of women as relatively insignificant. When he asked 521 parents about the seriousness of different types of sexual abuse, they rated adult female perpetrators’ actions with male and female victims as less abusive than those of adult male perpetrators with male or female victims.
Hetherton and Beardsall (1998) identified gender biases in the decisions of socialworkers and police working in child protection. The authors presented police officers and social workers with identical case vignettes of sexual abuse involving either a male or female perpetrator. Both professional groups considered that social service involvement and investigation were less warranted when the perpetrator was a woman. Case registration and imprisonment of the male perpetrator was considered more important by both professional groups.
These are just some of the reasons. Sadly this leads to things such as this:
65% of the survivors who tried to tell a therapist, doctor, teacher, or other professional were not believed the first time they disclosed. Overall, 86% of those who tried to tell anyone were not believed the first time they disclosed. – link
Moreover, professional minimization or disbelief of victims’ allegations of female perpetrated sexual abuse may actually exacerbate the negative effects of the sexual abuse, ultimately inciting secondary victimization. – link
Ultimately the numbers mean nothing to the person who is searching for help and can not find it. Sadly this is also the dark side of equality that many try to not think about. People are people and that means they are capable of both good and bad regardless of gender.
I stated previously that the easiest person to deceive is ourselves. One reason why we gather and put together in one place all the research we can find on this issue is so people can check for themselves and see if what is being said by various people is true, partially true, cherry picking the studies, etc. While female sex offenders are not a new thing, the research into them is still in its infancy. If you look at the Bibliography (by year) page you can how little research was done until very recently. So people often rely on the older research without comparing it to newer research. If you go back to the 1950′s child sexual abuse of any kind was considered to be one in a million which we now know not to be true but if you looked at the older studies you could easily make a case that it was/is true (and is another reason why the numbers vary).
In my opinion we need to step back from some of the ways we perceive things and tuck them into separate categories. Abuse in any form can cause long term harm and damage and any abused person should be able to get help. But because we have these separate areas they sometimes compete or ignore, and in some cases cause harm, rather than working toward a common goal. As some of my previous posts (here and here) have shown, this often causes harm to people. So long as we divide people, people will remain divisive.
"Women Sex Offenders Increase"
Disturbing Trend Continues
In what is becoming a more common scenario, Clinton, South Carolina police arrested 23 year old Allenna Williams Ward, alleging that the middle school teacher had been sexually involved with five young men, including some of her students. Ward's arrest is part of a disturbing trend of female teachers preying on the young men in their care.
Debra Lafave pleaded guilty to sexually abusing a 14 year old student, allowing her to escape jail time. She blamed the abuse on bipolar disorder. Pamela Rogers was charged with 15 counts of sexual battery by an authority figure and 13 counts of statutory rape in 2005. Christine Coffey, 33, has been accused of having a sexual realtionship with a 17 year old student, and of course Mary Kay LaTourneau was imprisoned for her relationship with her now-husband Vili Fualaau. The couple have two daughters.
With the exception of LaTourneau, none of the women mentioned above serve time in prison, and LaTourneau's prison sentence was originally commuted until she was discovered in a parked car with Fualaau in defiance of the court's no-contact order. Women who are required to register as sex offenders rarely cause an uproar when they move into a neighborhood, and there is a prevailing sense that teenage boys are not harmed by sexual liaisons with older women. Psychologists say this isn't true. Dr. Jeff Brown, a Minnesota prison psychologist says, "The impact they [female sex offenders] have is significant on their victims and sometimes we don't regard the impact in a similar way as we do men."
Many female sex offenders do not view their actions as abuse, but rather as a romantic relationship. Lisa Lynette Clark, who was 37 when she became pregnant by her 15 year old victim, describes the boy as the love of her life and even went so far as to marry the boy without his parents' consent under a loophole in Georgia law that allows minors to marry if the bride is pregnant.
Some offenders, like LeFave, also claim mental illness. LaFave blamed previously undiagnosed bipolar disorder for her behavior. Tammy Imre, 30, who engaged in repeated sexual contact with an eight year old boy and sent him love letters, also claimed mental illness and past trauma from a rape she suffered caused her to commit the acts. Imre was sentenced to six years in prison and ten years probation after pleading guilty to counts of risk of injury to a minor.
Mary Kay Letourneau kept getting released, and she was caught fucking the student that got her locked up in the first place.
We just had the woman who was molesting her infant son on web cam, and was planning for men to come over and molest him with her.
Then we just had another woman who was arrested for child pornography, and she lived right across from a school.
Society screams for castration of male pedophiles. With women, they need therapy, their husbands weren't paying attention to them. Boo hoo.
r62 - r70 - Post a link instead of spamming up the thread, ya loon.
OP, the "under 32" non-linker here, needs to examine her obsession with this topic and leave all of us out of it.
There are professionals who get paid for this sort of - uh - crap.
[quote]A male who pretends that the youngest sexually mature females or males are not the most appealing, is lying and needs serious therapy.
You need therapy, R52, if you really believe this tripe. Some girls are sexually mature at 12 years old, idiot. So, no, they are not the "most appealing" to straight males. Neither are non-dorky, non-smelly, zitless teen boys the "most appealing" to straight females. The vast majority of mentally healthy adults are NOT attracted to teenagers.
But you don't know any mentally healthy people, straight or gay, do you R52? I can see how your perception would be skewed.
This thread is a little off base, starting with the fact it references Justin Baby Beaver, who is not underage. I think women are just more outspoken now about young men they think are attractive. It is socially acceptable now. It probably became mainstream because of that Samantha character on Sex and the City. Just because a woman says a 19 year old is cute does NOT always mean she wants to have sex with him. Most women like men closer to their age.
But you do have freaks like this teacher who had raw sex with her student as soon as he turned 18 and got pregnant.