GENEVA -- The search is all but over for a subatomic particle that is a crucial building block of the universe.
Physicists announced Thursday they believe they have discovered the subatomic particle predicted nearly a half-century ago, which will go a long way toward explaining what gives electrons and all matter in the universe size and shape.
The elusive particle, called a Higgs boson, was predicted in 1964 to help fill in our understanding of the creation of the universe, which many theorize occurred in a massive explosion known as the Big Bang. The particle was named for Peter Higgs, one of the physicists who proposed its existence, but it later became popularly known as the "God particle."
The discovery would be a strong contender for the Nobel Prize. Last July, scientists at the European Organization for Nuclear Research, or CERN, announced finding a particle they described as Higgs-like, but they stopped short of saying conclusively that it was the same particle or was some version of it.
Scientists have now finished going through the entire set of data.
"The preliminary results with the full 2012 data set are magnificent and to me it is clear that we are dealing with a Higgs boson, though we still have a long way to go to know what kind of Higgs boson it is," said Joe Incandela, a physicist who heads one of the two main teams at CERN, each involving several thousand scientists.
Whether or not it is a Higgs boson is demonstrated by how it interacts with other particles and its quantum properties, CERN said in the statement. After checking, scientists said the data "strongly indicates that it is a Higgs boson."
The results were announced in a statement by the Geneva-based CERN and released at a physics conference in the Italian Alps.
CERN's atom smasher, the $10 billion Large Hadron Collider that lies beneath the Swiss-French border, has been creating high-energy collisions of protons to investigate how the universe came to be the way it is.
The particle's existence helps confirm the theory that objects gain their size and shape when particles interact in an energy field with a key particle, the Higgs boson. The more they attract, so the theory goes, the bigger their mass will be.
Well, it's started...
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Also, does the discovery of the so called God Particle imply that Atheists are Wrong. What do they have to say? I m still Agnostic though.
Wouldn't it be the opposite?
Just because it was named "god" particle doesn't mean there's a god, doofus.
If anything, this discovery is another argument against creationism. If one is able to generate the basic building block of the universe in a collider, then there is no need for any kind of "divine intervention".
exactly. So I remain puzzled by r1.
That name is so wrong.
Keep your "GOD" shit out of it for fuck's sake.
Christianity has a long long long history of turning any alternate story into some validation of their own philosophy.
Pagan winter solstice? Oh, we just call it Christmas!
The earth isn't the center of the Universe? Oh, well that's because God is the LIGHT!
You can call it subatomic anything but we call it a GOD Particle! You can't win!
oh yes we can.
R6 has psychotic, paranoid rage issues.
Take your pill Mary.
No. r6 may have worded it a little harshly, but r6 is right. (I don't care as much that they chose that name, but get his/her point.)
It is kinda weird because it means the exact opposite.
Right, r9. Go read the tweets from fundies who claim this 'confirms' the presence of God and then tell me I'm "paranoid". Because some idiot gave it a religious name, People really believe this validates their faith.
Others are irritated that Science is trying to "compete" with news about the new Pope. Which leads to this funny retort,
[quote]Noah Smith @smithnoah March, 2013. SCIENCE: We found the Higgs-Boson! RELIGION: We found another old Catholic guy who hates gay people!
Exactly, R6, this proves there is no god, and there never was.
Get out there and blow it up R12, if you feel that strongly about it.
I felt like I had a part-time job on Twitter during the election.
...so back to r1. Stupid, or just a bad writer?
r14, why are you dogging r12? He/she made a perfectly good point, with no hysteria or rage.
r1 is just quoting a tweet from some fundie. Look at the Huffpo story and they have a screen of the "latest" tweets about it.
If I didn't know this is how those fundies think, I'd swear someone is trolling.
How am I dogging him, R16? I agree with him.
I told him to go to work on Twitter, as I have done. I am also the poster at R11. And no other.
So they went looking for it, spent billions and billions and what do you know they found it.
Yeah like there was any doubt they would. This is going to be one of those things that will take centuries for them to admit they erred.
Like Dark Matter and Dark Engery. Hey we can't explain where all this mass is? Hey I know, let's call it invisible.
These idiots just did decades of damage by calling it 'god'. Now, this is going to be another situation where everyone doesn't understand what a 'theory' means to science. I hope they're happy. They named it the 'god particle' for publicity.
My penis has tons of atoms in it.
It's called the "Higgs Boson," but these morons chose to instead do another century's worth of damage. The fundies in America will now successfully push their Intelligent Design bullshit successfully. Way to go!
[quote]Just because it was named "god" particle doesn't mean there's a god, doofus.
Except, science can't explain what created "matter" yet.
I can already see Republicans on the House floor bringing this up.
And religion can't explain what created their various contradictory gods.
my bad r14, i misread your post.
"It may be the universe we live in is inherently unstable, and at some point billions of years from now it's all going to get wiped out," added Lykken, a collaborator on the CMS experiment.
So where did the very first particle come from?
Which came first, chicken or egg, r29?
Yeah, like 'God' is the answer, R23.
Now that they've found it, what are they going to do with it?
Charge admission to see it!
I have an authentic particle here too, 5$ you see my dog dander.
[quote]Which came first, chicken or egg, [R29]?
"God particle" is over-hyping the Higgs.
What doesn't the Higgs tell us?
It doesn't explain how gravity works.
It doesn't really tell us much about how the strong force relates to the electroweak force — the combination of electromagnetism and the weak force for which the Higgs is so useful.
It doesn't tell us what dark matter is — roughly 23% of the energy of the universe.
It doesn't tell us what dark energy is — another 72% of the universe.
It doesn't tell us why the electric charge is what it is, or an electron mass is what it is, or really, much at all about a huge number of physical constant.
It doesn't explain why we have certain symmetries in our universe and not others.
Moreover, it's not the only thing that can make mass. Even if the mass of the quarks comes from the Higgs somehow we don't know exactly how it relates to other particles besides the W's and Z.
r36 what are you implying?
[quote]Now that they've found it, what are they going to do with it?
Give it to Liza?
I think R36 is saying that there is a lot more left for science to explain. Frankly, science will probably never completely solve everything at any one given time... It is, however, the only tool we seem to have to understand the origins of any new phenomena or objects we uncover.
That this particle does not answer everything...not even close, therefore it's NOT a "God Particle".
Ntm, that supposedly recreating the conditions that existed a fraction of a second after the "Big Bang" still doesn't explain what was before the "Big Bang", if the "Big Bang" is even a credible explanation for anything.
The Big Bang model has too many problems with it but most scientists go along with it if it pays the bills for research and funding or for philosophical reasons.
The big bang today relies on a growing number of hypothetical entities, things that we have never observed-- inflation, dark matter and dark energy are the most prominent examples.
Without them, there would be a fatal contradiction between the observations made by astronomers and the predictions of the big bang theory. In no other field of physics would this continual recourse to new hypothetical objects be accepted as a way of bridging the gap between theory and observation. It would, at the least, raise serious questions about the validity of the underlying theory.
What are the hypotheses for the remaining questions in R36's post?
An infinite multiverse would explain away the origins of gravity, our particular symmetry, and our electric charge. The existence of an infinite multiverse would be exceptionally hard to prove, though... The WMAP Cold Spot might be the best place to start looking. It is believed by some cosmologists and physicists to be an area which represents the closest possible quantum connection to another universe.
What about dark matter and dark energy, though? Are we any closer to understanding their provenance?
[quote] What about dark matter and dark energy, though? Are we any closer to understanding their provenance?
Yes. Dick Cheney.
Science is a tool, it's not god. The Higgs Boson is just another one of God’s signatures if it truly exist.
1. God in infinitely large and infinitely small: The discovered proof that the universe is expanding at an exponentially faster rate. The question to ponder is this: where is the universe expanding to? It is expanding into eternity! The study of the universe is related to the study of quantum physics. Quantum physics is the study of the nature of all things created from a sub-atomic perspective. In the study of quantum physics, scientists have discovered that the basic building-block of matter is the atom. But the atom is constructed of smaller parts, quarks. Today, they know that there are many smaller particles or “forces” within this framework. The Higgs boson, recently confirmed to a higher degree of certainty is an example of how it works. If you have two magnets on a table and you try to push them together against their poles, you know there is an unseen force that pushes them away. At a sub-atomic level, there exists a force that counteracts this repulsion and somehow bonds the nucleus of an atom together. This force or power is unexplainable and is considered the most powerful force unknown to man. So we must somehow understand the implications of the eternal and the infinite as progressing ever larger AND ever smaller. It goes both directions so to speak. You can split something into smaller and smaller parts ad infinitum! The infinite progression in mathematics of ½, ¼, 1/8, 1/16/, 1/32... should at least hint to the infinite progression into eternity. Think about what are described as transcendental numbers like pi or e, where the non-repeating nature of these numbers is unapproachable.
2. 96% of the Universe we know NOTHING about. Everything solid or everything that has mass is made up of atoms. In the basic construction of the atom, there exists a nucleus in the middle comprised of protons and neutrons with electrons “orbiting” the nucleus. If you were to enlarge this construction to where you could see it with your eyes and gain perspective, the nucleus would be the size of a tennis ball and the orbit of the electron would be the outer perimeter of a football stadium. The space between the tennis ball residing in the middle of the stadium to the outer edge of the stadium is in essence “nothingness”. So the next time you set a glass on a table, understand that more than 99% of a solid surface is empty space. To top it all off, the electron speeds around the perimeter so fast that it cannot be measured. In fact, it is called an “electron cloud” because the electron is effectively in all places at the same time. This relates on a macro level as well. The universe is disproportionately made up of what astronomers describe as “dark matter”, and they know exactly zero about dark matter. So when a scientist learns more and more about the universe, if he is honest with himself and with us, he must admit that he knows very little.
3. GRAVITY! With all the money and resources invested into understanding quantum physics, scientists admit that they have no clue as to what gravity is. It just is. We live with gravity all around us, and yet we have absolutely no hint as to its true nature or origin. I mean, you don’t have to go to the outer reaches of space to study gravity and you don’t need an electron microscope to study it either. If you really think about it, gravity makes no sense at all. It's extraordinarily STRONG at the same time it's extraordinarily WEAK.
4.LIGHT The speed of light is the measure of time in the universe. But even though we can describe light and measure light, it is impossible to explain or accurately define. We used to think that light was a wave, a measurable wave of energy called a ray. Then we discovered that light had properties of pulses and moves in “packets” of energy called photons. in theory, light should be one or the other! You are not supposed be a wave and a photon. But that is the nature of light; it defies logical, scientific explanation
Up your medication, R43. You'll feel better.
Prove the existence of God, please, R43. When I drop an apple, I can witness the effects of gravity. Provide a link to the last manifestation of God.
5. TRINITY in nature. The concept of the trinity is glaringly obvious in the physical realm. Think of your own personal construct: body, mind, and spirit. There is the “biological trinity” comprised of DNA, RNA, and proteins. There are three states of matter: solid, liquid, and gas. Fire requires heat, fuel and oxygen. Atoms at an elementary level are protons, neutrons, and electrons. A solar system is comprised of a star, planets, and moons. Think of the pillars of physics: space, matter, and time. The strongest architectural configuration is a triangle. And there are many more.
6.The individual CELL. It's one of the most incredibly complex and mysterious frontiers known to modern man. The basic workhorse of the cell, if you will, is the enzyme. And the enzyme is a protein; it is an organic molecule that carries out a function or job in the environment of the cell. Think of it this way: imagine putting together a string of beads of differing sizes and weights. Each of the beads has an electronic charge that causes it to have attractive parts and parts that repel, similar to a very complex magnet. As you complete this string of beads, you have to hold the string tightly so that the linear structure is preserved. So you have completed the string of beads and have held the string tight on each end. Now you let go of the string and it collapses on itself based on the “magnetic” properties of each bead. The result of this is an amorphous, three-dimensional, invisible structure known as an enzyme. Picture it as a blob of Play-Doh that has a very “random” system of hills and valleys on the surface. It is not symmetrical, and it is very irregular. Here's the magical part...Each enzyme, being only an inanimate molecule, is perfectly shaped to receive another congruous chemical called a ligand. It is similar to a key whose hills and valleys match perfectly to a lock. The enzyme moves around the cell and picks up these chemicals. The chemicals are amorphous as well, but strangely enough, the surface of the chemical fits perfectly into the “keyhole” or particular part on the surface of the enzyme! When this occurs, it changes the shape of the enzyme into a different organic shape. This new shape then fits perfectly into another chemical which then releases the original chemical and effectively transports a “package” from one place to another or releasing the chemical in a specific area. The magnificence of this is that the enzyme is not considered “life”. But how does it know what to do? How does it move with purpose around the confines of the cell? It doesn’t breathe, or eat, or create energy, or require energy, or have any means of propulsion, but it still moves around independent of any mechanism to propel! An awesome signature of God.
7.ENZYME. There is an enzyme whose function is to “proof-read” DNA strands. It goes along the strand of newly built DNA and checks for “errors”. As it encounters an error, it takes the wrong amino acid out and replaces it with the correct amino acid. And here is the kicker: it does this at 10,000 times per second! Are you kidding me? This is the signature of God. This is the description of only one of thousands of different types of enzymes whose job it is to keep life going. Unbelievable, but nevertheless a scientific fact.
8.Last example in the cell. Let me define DNA, RNA, and proteins or what I have already mentioned as the biological trinity. Think of DNA as a code book, think of it as the imprinted recipe for building these little “machines” in the cell called proteins. The information in DNA is locked into a double helix strand that is stable all by itself. In order to unlock the DNA, it has to be split in two. Certain proteins “cut” the double strand into two parts, like unzipping a zipper. This happens in the nucleus of the cell. Once the DNA is cut in half, the half strands exit the nucleus into the cytoplasm. The cytoplasm as the “watery” area outside the nucleus and contained by the outer structure of the cell called the cell wall. This half-strand is called the messenger RNA or mRNA. Proteins then begin to “interpret” the information and build other proteins. Remember, the DNA is coded and has the “blueprints” for protein assimilation. The RNA makes available the “decoded” information so it can be read by the proteins. To keep it as simple as possible, understand this: the DNA is built by proteins, the proteins could not exist without their blueprints in the DNA, and neither could exist without the decoding properties of RNA! None of the three parts of the biological trinity can exist without the other. This goes way past the “chicken or the egg” question; this is the “which came first, the DNA, RNA, or protein?” Did the DNA come first, the RNA first, or the proteins first? The answer strangely enough is that all of them came first, for they could not exist without one another! They would all have to simultaneously come into existence or the entire system breaks down.
"There are three states of matter: solid, liquid, and gas."
Please get help, R43/R46. You sound as if you're in the throes of a nervous breakdown.
Witnessing mental illness firsthand is always exciting and scary at the some time.
I think CocaCola has the patent for God Particles in a bottle.
Gravity is unexplainable as a force with a source. Where can you see the source of gravity?
Where is the "intelligence" behind gravity? How does it know to exert a downward force of 20 pounds on a chair as opposed to a downward force of an ounce on a pencil? How do we overcome gravity so easily? It's force can be pretty strong, yet, overcome so easily.
You know, it's funny how all of the people responding to me attack me personally instead of providing alternative explanations or intelligent arguments. Oh yeah...that's called abusive ad hominem
No, it's called knowing bullshit when one sees it.
If people in the space station experience bone loss from weighlessness, won't astronauts on the first mission to Mars suffer spinal compression and other horrors?
As an abusive ad hominem, might you like to get together for some pleasurable abuse?
I don't think we need to know where gravity comes from, but more importantly, where is it going? I make elastic waist bans and this can bankrupt me.
Kick R54 out of a ten-story building. He'll really observe the power of gravity.
Why do you think gravity needs an 'intelligence'? Bizarre.
R43, 44, 47, your descriptions are poorly reasoned, poorly informed, and mostly trivial.
I hope all of you abusive ad hominists are getting paid a decent wage for your effort. If not, here's a tip, ad hominem is very transparent, try another form of "argument" based on fallacy. Perhaps, Reductio Ad Absurdum or Fallacy Of The Crucial Experiment.
In a nutshell, I believe that the Big Bang theory does not propose how the universe began. Rather, it relates to the observed expansion of the universe. The fact that the universe is expanding is not in dispute.
So many theories. So little time to dismiss and mock them.
Go more into the 'Holy Trinity' argument, R61. We like that one the most.
"Think of your own personal construct: body, mind, and spirit."
Prove the existence of a 'spirit'.
Uh... 1,600 trillion collisions being created in the tunnel since 2009???
Let's see now that's 1600 trillion collisions achieved in thirty months, is it just me or does anyone else here have a problem with how that stacks up??
The numbers will never "stack-up" even if you extrapolate out to quadrillions of experiments.
The problem with funding all of this Einsteinian Physics is that it is all a ruse.... it's all a function of the Oxford Template of Learning.... it's all just 'theory', and speculation.
Funding these types of experiments and feeding these well paid physicists is just another function of keeping the masses in a position of financial servitude.
[quote]Funding these types of experiments and feeding these well paid physicists is just another function of keeping the masses in a position of financial servitude.
What an idiot.
Oh, and here's another thing. The HB particle began as the "goddamned particle" until the fucking media renamed it the, "God particle".
Goddamned, because it frustrated the physicists who were trying to figure out the missing link.
I thought Krona created a machine that allowed him to see into the moment of creation? We all know how well that all turned out.
I heard the particle possesses hands and feet that have been punctured.
I remember how excited everyone in science community was with the discovery of the Emperor particle. These particles have all lived before.
But what does Sheldon Cooper think of this discovery?
If science would put as much effort into finding The Goddamn Fucking Particle, then we would have something worthwhile. The GFP shouldn't be that hard to find.
OP: Shouldn't it be said the Higgs boson has been verified? Isn't the Goddamned Particle the same as the God Particle as in, God and Goddamned are adjectives regarding the Higgs boson particle. (I am asking seriously, I am an engineer and understand the science, but couldn't do the writing :( )
Confirmed for summer or holiday season? Who`s directing it?