He is simply Pope Francis until there is a second one.
There must be an awful lot of Catholics on DL. This is like the 17th thread on Pope Francis.
The confusion comes from the last pope to take an unprecedented name, John Paul I, insisted he be called "John Paul I" rather than "John Paul."
The Vatican has said this pope has made no such stipulation, that he is just "Pope Francis."
Even so, to obsess about this as the OP does is the ultimate in prissypants behavior.
None of us owes the Pope any fealty; we will call him exactly what we like. If OP doesn't like it he can go fuck himself.
My name is Francine Fishpaw, and I am an alcoholic!
I shall call him Frank.
He may be number one, but he looks a lot like number two to me.
Lighten up, Francis!
A South American pope named Francis.
I'm calling him "Beans & Frank"
Saying he's Hispanic is like saying Leon Trotsky was Hispanic because he lived in Mexico.
It's not lavender, it's Bishop's purple. Standardized color.
He's not Hispanic, he's Italian (meaning White Latin European). His parents emigrated to Argentina, so he's 100% Italian. Hispanic by association only.
So after a couple of detours, the Church learned it's lesson and they're back to electing old white Italian men as Pope.
Well, this paves the way for a Pope Reese, Pope Malcolm, Pope Dewey and a Pope Jamie.
Sister Lois and Father Hal
Give him a year and we'll all be calling him Frisco.
Whatever anyone calls him - What is the real scoop on this guy? Is he uber conservative like people have feared the new pope would be, or what?
I'm truly flabbergasted that they picked a Latin American, anyway. Yes, it was beyond time, but it's not like the Vatican is exactly known for being hip to the times.
His real name is Jorge Mario Bergoglio.
So why not Pope Mario or Pope Jorge?
He's not uber-conservative but the Catholic liberals (not an oxymoron) who are creaming right now are in for a rude awakening when they review his history. To be fair, he is a very humble, intelligent man and he has worked very hard to improve the lot of the poor. My hope now, and it's a pipe dream, is that he sells off the Vatican bit by bit.
He's not Hispanic, he's Latin American or Latino.
A lot of Argentine people have no Spanish blood, he's not rare.
Argentina took in millions of Italian immigrants in the 19th and 20th Centuries, 60% of the Argentine population has Italian blood.
r13, there is a long standing Italian diaspora arm in Argentina.
A second generation Italian-Argentinian is hardly an interloper.
[quote]I'm truly flabbergasted that they picked a Latin American, anyway.
There are more Catholics in Latin America than anywhere else on the planet.
First Annual Pope Francis.
His parents were born in Italy, which makes him a first generation Italian-Argentinian.
But first or second generation, he's still ethnically and genetically a white European Italian. Ethnically and genetically he is not Hispanic, but Latin.
r21, I more shocked it was a Jesuit.
Then again, JPII neutered the liberal wing of the SJs years ago, so maybe I shouldn't be surprised.
I think he was elected because the church knew it needed someone perceived as conciliatory.
People are so fed up with the Pedophile Church that they are becoming more militant. Electing someone similar to Ratzinger in temperament would invite hostile responses.
I think we should call him Pope Fanny.
Pope Franny would be more accurate.
But not as fun, R26.
Besides... I was the first!
[quote]There are more Catholics in Latin America than anywhere else on the planet.
I know, R21, but that's been true for a long time and it never encouraged them to pick one from there before. I was almost certain they'd be planning on keeping it relegated to the Europeans, as astoundingly resistant to any change whatsoever as they are. Peter Turkson was the only non-European there was any real buzz about, and that had a lot to do with how ultra conservative he is.
They must actually be trying to throw people a bone and say "See? We're kinda evolving, at least at 1/1000th the rate the rest of the world is!"
New Pope Franny, he don't like Tranny.
And he sure don't like them queers.
Francis, Frances, what's the dif?
Francine the Argentine!!!
There won't be a second one.
Conservative Catholics seem very happy. They're calling him a conservative Jesuit who will reform the order.
[quote]Ethnically and genetically he is not Hispanic, but Latin.
God fucking damn it. Every time the subject of Latinos or Hispanics or the Spanish language comes up on DataLounge, the most pig-ignorant posters come out of the woodwork.
But Francis The Talking Mule has already been taken.
Funny that the bossy miss prissypants op posted this thread.
I was on Yahoo, and the number one search in the trending section was "Pope One Lung."
So from henceforth, he shall forever be known to me as:
POPE ONE LUNG I
Although I also like whomever posted "Francine the Argentine." I might use that one too.
Is the 'c' in Francis pronounced like an 's' or a 'k'?
Is it pronounced Fran-sis or Fran-kis?
Actually, the church is losing its numbers in South America and gaining in Africa. Frank's annointment is an attempt to revive SA's dwindling participation.
R39, rule of thumb for Latin origin names: if the 'c' is followed by an 'a', 'o', or 'u', then it is pronounced /k/. If the 'c' precedes an 'e' or an 'i', then, depending on language or dialect, it is pronounced /s/, /th/, or /ch/.
Why couldn't I live long enough to see this?
He's refused to live in the Church's palace in Buenos Aires. He lives in a simple, small apartment and takes the bus to work. Life in Vatican City will be quite a change.
He is good on the Church's calling to work with and serve the poor. He has the usual indefensible positions on gays and women.
It's not clear to me if he had any role in the bad old days of Church collusion with the government in brutality against the people of Argentina.
I dislike the OP's attitude so I think I'll call this new Pope Cornholio the First.
I'm loving the Latin:
"urbi et orbi"
"habemus papum franciscum"
Any fluent speakers?
He cooks his own meals and gave up the limo for public transport. He's much more likeable than Benedict.
The definitive test to see whether he's Hispanic (Argentinean) or Italian:
see if he goes for the red gravy or the salsa.
(I'm betting on the red gravy.)
"urbi et orbi" - to the city and world
"extra omnes" -- everybody out
"habemus papum franciscum" -- we have a Pope (named)Francis
Pope Francy-Pants would be a much more festive name. I hope they consider it.
R43 is deliberately failing to note that he used the church's palace in Argentina so the Navy could hide political prisoners there so that international human rights inspectors couldn't see them.
His "humility" is grandstanding bullshit.
This is the most vile kind of person there is and when he says he is interested in WEALTH he doesn't mean he is interested in helping the poor, it means he wants to give more power to Opus Dei.
I think we should just call him Fran.
r49, he's advocated for and worked with the poor. So, on that count, you're wrong. But I am concerned about his politics.
I was plain Queen Elizabeth until the second one came along.
Anyone else amused that a virulently homomphobic bigot decides to call himself "Francis" and dress up in a dress and bedazzled hat?