As a 26 year old already paying high taxes, I don't support the petition
The eligibility age for Social security and Medicare should be moved to 72.
Life expectancy has increased significantly since the programs were created.
If you want to retire early, good for you. Save some money
Boy, am I glad I moved to Canada!
See how well you're able to woke when you are 72 R1. You must be a Republican since clearly your thoughts are so self-centered. You're post is screaming, ME! ME! I only care what happens to me. I'll bet you are well off financially as well and never have to worry about your parents or grandparents not having enough to get by or having health care. Probably, if they are still alive, their biggest worry is which country club to join. Really, shame on you.
Also life expectancy has only gone up for those who are comfortable financially. It's gone down for people like minimum wage workers and especially for the poor. Infant mortality has also gone up for the poor.
Speaking of minimum wage, would you really expect a family of 4 who earn less than $15,000 a year to save for retirement when they can't even afford food?
OMG, you live in a tiny little bubble don't you?
R1 does sound like a Republicunt prick asshole.
Go fuck yourself r1
R3, exactly! R1 is a selfish bastard and is why I'm very glad I no longer live in the U.S.
We all will grow old and, at some point, we or one of our family members will get sick. We should learn to take care of each other. It's the human thing to do.
R1 The republican bankers stole my money through shady deals who then felated the SEC with kick backs and cushy jobs. Can I come and live with you in your parents basement?
Social Security is an an insurance program, R1, not a welfare program. It's financed by your contributions to a trust fund, and solvent as-is until 2038. At 26, the self-absorbed sociopathy of Ayn Rand looks pretty good. Let us know how you feel about working until you drop dead in 40 years, won't you?
R1 you'd better pray you are not stricken with a disease or horrible accident that will render you unable to work ever again, Life can change on a dime & You may be the very one who needs that help.
I'm so proud of most of you on this post. You restore my faith. Thank you!
Sen. Sanders is trying to help the most vulnerable people in this country, most who paid into these systems their entire adult life and some who are so disabled/sick that if a job paying 1 million a week were offered to them they could not take it. He is trying to help most of us here who know we will not be young, healthy and able to work forever.
Yes, R10, life can change on a dime and some just don't want to see that. The person in a wheelchair, the person too disabled/sick to ever work again, the homeless hungry people we see can be almost any one of us and it can become any one of us in the blink of an eye.
[quote]Life expectancy has increased significantly since the programs were created.
Not in the manner that you imply. If you include all those who died young as infants and toddlers, it looks as though people are living longer. But if you look at people who make it to adulthood it hasn't change a lot. And it's only those who make it to adulthood who count with SS and Medicare.
It we want to say everyone is living 10 years longer due to the smoking rate plunging from 60% to 22ish% over twenty five years ago (and funnily enough nobody who shrieks about how smoking kills wants to say that) then it's a bit much to turn around and say that everyone who lives longer by not smoking is costing the country too much fucking money.
But that's the rub of all the anti-fat anti-smoker hysteria - longer and longer life does cost the country too much fucking money. No matter how much you obsessive anti- bandwagon jumpers want to shriek aobut fatties and smokers costing you money, it's the longer life that costs us all the most and by a large margin. It's not even close.
Am I supposed to use my real name and address?
Won't the new Obama plan eliminate the need for medicare and medicaid?
The Obama plan relies heavily on both and expands Medicaid.
Here's a novel idea
Support yourself and don't depend on me to do it!
Carry your own weight - both literally and figuratively!
Here's a novel idea; Go fuck yourself.
I have a question for the twat at R1.
I'm 60+ years old. I've been earning a paycheck uninterrupted since I was 15.
Unfortunately, I will probably be losing the job I've held for 18 years within the next 3 months.
I've been looking, and I've been told by many I shouldn't even bother. Despite being in excellent health and having no medical problems, no one will hire me because I am in a high risk demographic for medical insurance.
What the fuck am I supposed to do? Please tell me since you seem to have all the answers.
Glad to see Mitt Romney's on DL now.
Thanks again I hope most of you signed.
R18, MSE to R17. Thank you for saying it.
I'd like to know what R1 and R17 think you should R19. I think it might be like Dem Congressman Grayson said a few years about pertaining to health care and what the Rethugs want people to do. "Don't get sick and if you do, die quickly."
and I hope r1 trips on a subway grate.
Does I still gets my food stamps?
Fuck off, r23.
[quote]I have a question for the twat at [R1].
With your pleasant personality, I am shocked that you can't find employment!
[quote]I've been looking, and I've been told by many I shouldn't even bother. Despite being in excellent health and having no medical problems, no one will hire me because I am in a high risk demographic for medical insurance.
At our company, the total cost of insurance paid for by the company is $4,000 higher for a 60 year old than it is for a 40 year old. It is lower than for anyone, young or old, who is married and much lower than someone with children.
You are saying that no one will value your additional 20+ years of work experience enough to offset the higher insurance. They won't even give you a slightly lower offer to offset the insurance cost. And, of course, these companies will never ever consider hiring someone who is married or has children because of the higher insurance cost.
Or, you are lying to yourself about why you haven't been hired.
[quote]I'm 60+ years old. I've been earning a paycheck uninterrupted since I was 15.
You have been working 50 years and you haven't saved money for retirement?
If you would have saved 5% of your income each year and invested it at 7% returns, you would have almost 15 times your current income saved up. We are supposed to cover your living expenses because you didn't even save 5% per year?
Of course, this will generate an emotional nasty attack from you where you accept no responsibility
Food stamps? What do they have to do with this? Nothing. Not even related.
And r1 reveals it's emotionally stunted ignorance again.
[quote]And [R1] reveals it's emotionally stunted ignorance again.
And OP continues to provide substance-free posts
Of course, another solution is to actually lower the cost of living increases for Social Security recipients to match the true inflationary index instead of the artificially high one used by the government.
But, of course, that would require the recipients to not demand higher payments every year that exceed any cost of living increases that they actually incur.
"...and invested it at 7% returns..."
This would be at the Bank of Imaginary-Land?
And seriously, fuck you. It might seem simple to put aside 5% of your income when you are bringing in 50,000 a year, but at about $20,000 a year, a third of which is going to student loans, I can barely scrape by in 10-year-old clothes.
At some point on the future, it may be necessary to reform Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, yet there is no reason — aside from petty politics — that reforms should ever be part of the current negotiations between the Republican House majority and the Obama administration. This isn't an argument of left versus right. This is an argument in favor of *thoughtful* policy making and reasonable people are against impulsive wheeling and dealing.
[quote]"...and invested it at 7% returns..." This would be at the Bank of Imaginary-Land?
The stock market has averaged a 9.2% per year for the last 50 years
R3 is correct.
as for R1 the verdict is in ...you suck
"The stock market has averaged a 9.2% per year for the last 50 years"
Yes, and investing in the stock market is impossible for people making minimum wage due to the fees and minimums.
Not everyone inherited wealth.
9% of what? That's all fine and dandy if you're financially able to invest. Most people live from pay check to paycheck because pay has been stunted since the 1980s.
The middle class has been decimated, thanks to political maneuverings with corporate sponsors.
Social Security is paid by the employee, so that is an insurance, or rather assurance, that helps the economy in the long run.
Medicare and Medicaid could eventually be universal healthcare. The burden of employer held insurance is ludicrous....that's another topic...
Anyway signed, Bernie is a fantastic leader.
R25 is truly living in dreamland and apparently has been living under a rock for the last 30 years. To wit:
"You are saying that no one will value your additional 20+ years of work experience enough to offset the higher insurance."
You got it. It's the Walmart-ization of people. Experience (like quality merchandise) means nothing anymore. It's all about cost, and the cheapest possible cost at that.
R25 has to be Paul Ryan, a self-appointed expert on the economy, even though he's never held a private sector job in his life. Well, unless you count driving the Oscar Meyer Weinermobile.
[quote]You got it. It's the Walmart-ization of people. Experience (like quality merchandise) means nothing anymore. It's all about cost, and the cheapest possible cost at that.
Sorry, I have a lot of friends who have been able to move to new jobs based on their experience.
Quit blaming the world for your problems and take some personal accountability
Get a real life, r36, you are circling and saying nothing.
R36= Paul Ryan
9,149 signatures so far. It looks more and more like Obama is going to cut the Big 3 to shreds. The Rethugs didn't come out of the latest meeting with Obama with big smiles for nothing. We have to stop Obama from selling us, our parents, grandparents and even future generations out.
Bernie Sanders can help but he needs us to help him help us.
Please let everyone you know in RL or on social media about this petition.
There are some mighty good people posting on this thread.
One of the largest impacts of the obamacare is the expansion of Medicaid, a state-based health care program for low-income families. Governors across the country are now deciding whether to participate in the expanded program and could see billions of dollars in new money for this care.
This will boost economy *and* it will make for a healthy future.
What if I never get a job and never qualify for medicare?!
Then, it's Medicaid...
R41, hopefully you will have a long healthy and sucessful life ahead of you, but things happen. Young bodied can get hurt or sick. You don't want to have a world where if heaven forbid you can't work for some reason there is no safety net out there for you. You don't want to live in a world where your parents or grandparents will have to live and depend on you or siblings you might have.
Make sure this country will always have Social Security, SSD and SSI, Medicare, Food Stamps and Medicaid because unless you are so rich that you have plenty of money for all your needs and your family's needs, including medical, for the rest of your lives, the day will come when you or those you love will need one or more of the safety nets.
For your sake and the sake of those you love, sign the petition.
Give me one reason why I should. I'm in the top .01%. In other words, I have enough money to last me a lifetime. If something should happen to me, I have enough to take care of me for a lifetime.
People need to take care of themselves. That's what the United States is all about. If I did it, anyone can.
It's up to 18,560 now!
[quote]Support yourself and don't depend on me to do it!
Pardon me, fuckwad... but these people have been paying into it for years and deserve it. They call it an entitlement for a reason. You paid for it, you deserve it.
Would you go to a grocery store, buy $100 worth of food and then just walk out without your bags???
Why are Republicans such mongoloids?
I tend to avoid politics, so please excuse my ignorance. What exactly is going to happen to SS, Medicare and Medicaid? Obama's just gonna toss old and disabled people out into the streets?