Just wondering because it doesn't taste like cheese at all.
Cream cheese, you dumbass.
It's cream cheese, OP.
Christ, is Umpy back and posting anonymously now or something?
is there trees in black forrest cake?
Is there actual Girl Scout in Girl Scout cookies?
Is there actual baby in baby oil?
There are actual chocolate chips in chocolate chip cookies and
oats in Oatmeal
Why is everyone on DL so dumb at the moment? Is this question a joke? Are you the same person who started the "did Jesus really exist thread" OP?
You do know that the $18 you've spent to start these threads could have been googled for free?
And yes he is R4.
Is there really pee in OP?
Cream cheese is not actually cheese. It's a dessert. So, no, there is no cheese in cheesecake.
Who cut the cheese cak?
No dog in hot dog.
R11 Some cheesecakes are made with ricotta.
Wtf are you talking about, r11? Cream cheese on its own is NOT in any way a dessert! It's not sweet at all. Are you stupid?
[quote] Cream cheese is not actually cheese. It's a dessert.
Wow are you an idiot.
[quote] Cream cheese is a soft, mild-tasting cheese with a high fat content. Traditionally, it is made from unskimmed milk enriched with additional cream.
For some reason OP's mom blocked google on his computer but not the DL
[quote]Cream cheese is not actually cheese. It's a dessert.
In addition to actually being cheese, cream cheese is also not a dessert. Most people associate it with bagels, as a general sandwich spread, or as an ingredient in a variety of dishes for every course. And for being the main ingredient in cheesecake.
[quote]Christ, is Umpy back and posting anonymously now or something?
[quote]Why is everyone on DL so dumb at the moment?
It's TTC. They must have just released her, because she's been back in a big way. The front page has been littered with her special brand of inanity.
Is this some sort of parody thread or is the public school system an utter and absolute failure?
OP, is your question rhetorical? Yes, it's cream cheese. In "Fortune's Children", an overview of the Vanderbilt family by Arthur T. Vanderbilt, there is a passage telling about how at the Florham estate of Florence Adele Vanderbilt McKown, a distant aunt of Anderson Cooper's on his mother's side, homegrown strawberries and cream cheese made from cows' milk on the estate was a favorite dessert. Florham is today a private college in New Jersey. This, in no way should be interpreted that cream cheese is always a dessert, but can be an important part of some.
yeah baby powder has baby in it
R20, yes, and yes.
There's not any cake in it either.
No one here has heard of fruit and cheese for dessert? This really is a clueless thread.
Cream cheese, which is some kind of fresh cheese.
Hard cheese is usually older than a months.
Cheese is made from cow, goat or sheep milk.
Gouda (Holland)from cows milk
Manchego (Spain)from sheeps milk
Mozzarella (Italy)from buffalo milk
Crottin de Chavignol is a famous French cheese made from goatsmilk
Endless ways to use milk and make cheese from it.
No, of course we know about fruit and cheese as a dessert. We're just disputing the claim that "cream cheese isn't a cheese, it's a dessert."
Cream cheese is both a floor wax AND a dessert topping!
[quote]No one here has heard of fruit and cheese for dessert? This really is a clueless thread.
So you consider cream cheese to be a dessert cheese? Do you actually unwrap a hunk of Kraft Philadelphia Cream Cheese and put it out for dessert?
And we're the clueless ones?
A bagel with your temp tee, sir?
A bagel? What's a bagel?
I love the special Headcheese Cake available every five days at Nick's Greek Diner.
Can you make cheesecake from Red Dragon cheese?
can I serve it at my baked potato bar party!?
[quote] Cheese is made from cow, goat or sheep milk.
Can vegans eat cheese made from human milk?
Can Baked Alaska be made locally?
Can you make Mars Bars right here on Earth?
Cream cheese is NOT a cheese. It's a smooth, spreadable topping, just like butter and yogurt. Do you also consider butter and yogurt to be cheese? Cheese has to be aged to be classified as cheese.
And, yes, cream cheese is a dessert because it's mainly used for dessert, as in cheesecake.
No R29- that is not at all what I said in my post. Guess you cannot read, or understand what you read.
Wait, but there is Della in mortadella, right? Della est morte?
r11/36, I am embarrased for you. Take this opportunity to educate yourself.
[quote] And, yes, cream cheese is a dessert because it's mainly used for dessert, as in cheesecake.
I don't spread cheesecake on my bagels and on toast.
op and [r11] are you Jessica Simpson?
Italian is ricotta.
No 2 in tuna and no cheer in Cheerios.
[quote]I don't spread cheesecake on my bagels and on toast.
I don't spread chocolate cake on my bagels, either, but chocolate cake is definitely a dessert.
So has there been no consensus reached yet? Is it cheese? Is it a dessert?
Maybe the people saying it's not are talking about the sandy thing, like the Sahara.
R37, you're the one with reading comprehension issues.
The thread is about cheesecake, and whether actual cheese is in the recipe. Others answered that yes, cheese, specifically cream cheese, is part of the recipe. Then some yahoo upthread claimed cream cheese isn't cheese, [bold]"it's a dessert".[/bold]
Many posters responded to that post, saying cream cheese [bold]is [/bold]cheese, and is not a dessert. It's an ingredient in many dishes, including breakfast, dips and desserts. It is never just served on its own, and isn't finger food like hard cheeses. It's a very soft cheese that is closer to a spread than a typical hard cheese. It's also not remotely sweet or mild, it is tangy with a distinctive sharpness. It would make a terrible dessert alone (or with fruit), even if you could pick up a cube of it with your fingers.
Then you showed up and called us clueless because "no one here has heard of fruit and cheese for dessert". This is the part where your reading comprehension issues are revealed. We weren't talking about cheese in general. We were talking about a very specific cheese (cream cheese) that is never served on its own. It can't be, unless everyone grabs a spoon and digs in.
In addition to being a pointless non sequitur, your post was also presumptuous. We have heard of "fruit and cheese for dessert", we just weren't discussing that. We're discussing cream cheese, which is not a dessert (or a breakfast or a dip), but an ingredient in many dishes.
So we're the clueless ones with reading comprehension issues? Project much? You bumbled into a thread, posted something stupid and off-topic, made a baseless assumption about what we've "heard of", and insulted us all twice.
Caught up now?
This thread has Robert Altman quality to it where we listen in to different strings of conversation about cheesecakes.
I can almost see the camera glancing over us all from one side of the room to the other.
r46, we should hang out. Are you as bored as I am?
Is butter a dessert? Of course not, no one serves butter alone. It is, however, an [bold]ingredient[/bold] in many desserts. It's also an ingredient in many other dishes.
Now read that paragraph back but replace "butter" with "cream cheese".
It's just as stupid to call cream cheese a dessert as it is to call butter a dessert.
who would eat fruit and cheese for dessert? that's weird.
Dessert is not synonymous with sweets and pastries, R50.
The USDA classifies cream cheese as a cheese, so the legal answer is that cream cheese is a cheese.
There is some disagreement among other sources that seems to be based on whether a milk product that hasn't been treated with rennet can really be called a cheese. Like ricotta, cream cheese is treated with an acid.
Cheese trivia: Small curd cottage cheese is produced with an acid-treated milk product. Large curd cottage cheese is produced with a rennet-treated milk product.
[quote]And, yes, cream cheese is a dessert because it's mainly used for dessert, as in cheesecake
Bagels, toast, 100's of hors d''oeuvres, and 100's of dip/topping recipes
[quote]And, yes, cream cheese is a dessert because it's mainly used for dessert, as in cheesecake
You don't say!
Cucumber sandwiches, celery sticks, baked fish, quiche, green and white eggs
I can only imagine that the people claiming its "a dessert" are shut-in flyoverians in some god-forsaken red state where there are no Jews. It's so firmly attached to lox and bagels for most of us that this can be the only explanation for these posts.
Chocolate is used in savory Mexican moles, but it's still classified as a dessert. Cream cheese is no different. It may be used on bagels, but it's still a dessert.
Chocolate is an ingredient in many other things, many of which are desserts, but by itself it is not a dessert. Ever tried eating unsweetened chocolate?
St. Olaf, Op? Southside?
[quote]Chocolate is used in savory Mexican moles, but it's still classified as a dessert.
Many dessert items and confections are flavored with sweetened chocolate, but chocolate is not itself a dessert. Chocolate is super bitter.
No it's NOT a "dessert" you fucking imbecile.
[quote]Chocolate is used in savory Mexican moles, but it's still classified as a dessert. Cream cheese is no different. It may be used on bagels, but it's still a dessert.
I'm beginning to understand that people who post things like this are using "dessert" to mean "confectionery", whereas the people who are arguing against them are using "dessert" in the conventional sense of "last course of a meal." Same with people puzzled by fruit and cheese as a dessert: they think dessert=confectionery.
(Also, they're thinking cream cheese=confectionery because they've only ever had it sweetened, in something like cheesecake. They've never actually tasted the savory substance the rest of us mean by "cream cheese".)
Cream cheese is an American invention developed in 1872 in New York state. A cheese distributor soon commissioned the enterprising dairyman to produce the cream cheese in volume under the trade name "Philadelphia Brand®." The company was eventually bought out by Kraft Foods in 1928, and still remains the most widely-recognized brand of cream cheese in the United States.
Cream cheese is similar to French Neufchatel in that it is made from cow's milk, but differs in that it is unripened and often contains emulsifiers to lend firmness and lengthen shelf-life. USDA law requires standard cream cheese must contain at least 33 percent fat and no more than 55 percent water, although there are low-fat and nonfat varieties now on the market.
Cream cheese is categorized as a fresh cheese since it is unaged. As a result, it has a short shelf life, once opened. The flavor is mild, fresh-tasting, and sweet, yet has a pleasing slight tang. At room temperature, cream cheese spreads easily and has a smooth and creamy texture. It is sold in foil-wrapped blocks or in a soft-spread form which has air whipped in to make it spreadable right from the refrigerator. Many flavored versions are also now available, including those with herbs, fruits, and even salmon blended in.
Cream cheese is one of America's most widely-consumed cheeses. Its soft creamy texture gives richness to cheesecake, frosting, bagel-toppers, and dips and makes wonderfully light and flaky pastry crusts. Along with these more well-known uses, cream cheese is a main ingredient in many savory dishes as well as desserts as you will see in the cream cheese recipe collection.
"Is this some sort of parody thread or is the public school system an utter and absolute failure?"
R20, I think the answer to BOTH of your questions is "yes."\t
Someone tell this moron that there are hard and soft cheeses.
Both OP and R11 have to be trolls ... nobody is THAT stupid.
Europeans would laugh in your faces if you called cream cheese an actual cheese.
I like a German in my chocolate cake.
I hate cheesecake. I had a friend who did, too. We were the on,y 2 people we knew who didn't like cheesecake or tomatoes. We had so much in common, but she dumped me as a friend when she married a rich doctor and became a label queen while I stayed in the same lower income bracket.
Europe is home to many soft, fresh cheese products similar to American cream cheese.
Quark, a soft fresh cheese made from an acid-treated (no rennet) milk is just one example, and it is also often used in cheesecakes.
Yes. Usually Cream cheese, ricotta, farmer's cheese or mascarpone.
[quote]It may be used on bagels, but it's still a dessert.
It [bold]may[/bold] be used on bagels???
R11, with each post you demonstrate you cultural ignorance more.
Saying cream cheese "may be" served on a bagel is like saying meatballs "may be" served with spaghetti or peanut butter "may be" paired with grape jelly.
And for the zillionth time, it is not a dessert (or any other course), it is an ingredient.
This thread reminds me of my frustration and disappointment I had with Spotted Dick.
Where do freaks like r55 come from? Is it a mental illness or just a programmed world view that comes from being in a small clique that's more like a cult?
[quote]Europeans would laugh in your faces if you called cream cheese an actual cheese.
They'd laugh in your face if you said, their cows give you holes in your brain, but they do.
R71, You do realize that most people have never eaten a bagel, don't you? You start with the assumption that everyone is eating bagels with cream cheese, and that's just not the case. Ask 90% of people about cream cheese and they'll mention dessert.
[r66] Many Europeans love Philadelphia Cream Cheese. You're an idiot. Some Italians like it more than mascarpone.
[r75] you do understand yourself to be a moron, yes?
Really R75? I would doubt that most people have never eaten a bagel. They're sold in every supermarket in America as well as at every Starbucks and Coffee Bean the world over. And some places, like Dunkin' Donuts, even make sandwiches out of them.
I desperately hope I don't know the "CREAM CHEESE IS DESSERT" cunt in real life.
Is anybody genuinely, truly, really this stupid?
[quote]Is anybody genuinely, truly, really this stupid?
While I'm sure there are some people exactly this -- uh -- challenged, I suspect R75, etc., is just another lonely troll trying to entertain himself.
R73? R55 isn't the freak here. The only freak is the moron troll insisting that cream cheese isn't cheese but a "dessert". That much stupidity in just one claim is hard to fathom.
R68, maybe you could be friends with my father, the third person on the planet who hates cheesecake. He does like tomatoes, but can't abide cream cheese.
Everyone loves cream cheese frosting. You could never make a frosting out of something that wasn't a dessert-identified product. Do you like ketchup frosting, or mustard frosting? I rest my case.
No, Europeans do not consider cream cheese a cheese.
By your reasoning, butter is a dessert, r83.
Is OP Jessica Simpson?
No ACTUAL cheese. It's a little known secret that the main ingredient in cheese cake is the smegma of a deceased platypus.
Cream cheese, ricotta, mascarpone can be included in cheese cake. Cream cheese is traditional in American cheese cake. Cream cheese is not a dessert and would not be featured on a dessert cheese plate; it is an ingredient of many dishes.
It is a soft, spreadable cheese. Bagels were introduced to this country well over a hundred but it was not until the abomination known as the Lender's bagel gained national distribution in the 1970s that they became a cross-over food, sold at Dunkin Donuts and incorporated into MacDonald's breakfast sandwiches.
None of this is news unless you live in a red state in which case how does it feel to have parents who are brother and sister?
This is why I love DL. Only on this message board would a discussion about cream cheese immediately degenerate into virtual screeching and hair pulling.
This has to be the STUPIDEST thread of any, ever. End of.
reply 83 wrote: "No, Europeans do not consider cream cheese a cheese."
You're wrong about that.
Here in Italy, Philadelphia brand cream cheese is rather popular. And yes, it is considered a cheese.
On the packaging, under the name Philadelphia, are the words: "Formaggio Fresco".
The word "formaggio" means cheese in English. And "fresco" identifies it as a fresh (rather than aged) cheese.
Italy of course has it's own soft young cheeses such as stracchino and mascarpone.
The Italian website of Philadelphia cream cheese:
I haven't laughed so hard on Datalounge in years - this is what the golden years were like. Bitchy mixed with petty and idiotic and acidic (r46 nails it). We need more people like this dumbass repeatedly insisting that cream cheese is a dessert - so they can be nailed mercilessly to the wall.
In another post, someone was amazed to learn that pickles are made from cucumbers.
Where the fuck do you live that 90% of the people you know have never eaten a bagel? China? They have them at Dunkin' Donuts, McDonald and at the supermarker -- in TWO locations, the bread aisle and frozen.
And what about Bagel Bites? They're a nationally known product.
The idea that "90%" of people have never eaten a bagel is laughable.
My aunt makes the worst cheescake "from scartch" every Thanksgiving, and everyone oohhhs and aaahhhs over it, but honestly the cheeseckae tastes like vomit.
This has been going on for almost twenty years and I may eventually let her know that her cheesecake tastes like dog vomit, and everyone says so behind her back.
[quote] Cream cheese is not a dessert and would not be featured on a dessert cheese plate
I can't believe the stupidity of some of you. Have you ever looked at a cream cheese container? Right there on the container is a picture of a strawberry being dipped into cream cheese!!!! Cream cheese is perfectly welcome on a DESSERT fruit tray.
[quote] In another post, someone was amazed to learn that pickles are made from cucumbers.
What?! I had no idea
Hey, dessert guy, check this out:
take a thin rectangular slice of deli ham
spread with soft cream cheese
lay a green onion across the short end
roll up like a cigar & slice the cigar crosswise into coins
lay coins flat on a tray
repeat -- cover & chill
Don't serve at a bar/bat mitzvah, but everyone else loves them.
[r83] CREAM CHEESE is fucking cheese ~ you fucking microcephalic _ Jesus Fucking Christ look it up, anus
Cream cheese is a soft, mild-tasting cheese with a high fat content. Traditionally, it is made from unskimmed milk enriched with additional cream.
In the United States of America, it is defined by the US Department of Agriculture as containing at least 33% milk fat (as marketed) with a moisture content of not more than 55%, and a pH range of 4.4 to 4.9. In other countries, it is defined differently and may need a considerably higher fat content.
Cream cheese is not naturally matured and is meant to be consumed fresh, and so it differs from other soft cheeses such as Brie and Neufchâtel. It is more comparable in taste, texture and production methods to Boursin and Mascarpone.
Early prototypes of cream cheese were referenced in England as early as 1583 and in France as early as 1651. Recipes are recorded soon after 1754, particularly from Lincolnshire and the southwest of England.
Cream cheese is often spread on bread, bagels, crackers, etc., and used as a dip for potato chips and similar snack items, and in salads. It can be mixed with other ingredients to make spreads, such as yogurt-cream spread (1.25 parts cream cheese, 1 part yogurt, whipped).
Cream cheese can be used for many purposes in sweet and savoury cookery, and is in the same family of ingredients as other milk products, such as cream, milk, butter, and yoghurt. It can be used in cooking to make cheesecake and to thicken sauces and make them creamy. Cream cheese is sometimes used in place of or with butter (typically two parts cream cheese to one part butter) when making cakes or cookies, and cream cheese frosting. It is the main ingredient in crab rangoon, an appetizer commonly served at American Chinese restaurants. It can also be used instead of butter or olive oil in mashed potatoes. It is also commonly used in some western-style sushi rolls.
US cream cheese tends to have lower fat content than elsewhere, but "Philadelphia" branded cheese is sometimes suggested as a substitute for petit suisse.
In Spain, cream cheese is sometimes called by the generic name queso filadelfia, following the marketing of Philadelphia branded cream cheese by Kraft Foods.
Most of you queens consider ordering Thai take out and setting it out with your Mikasa china "cooking" so how the fuck would you bitches know?
[quote]Cream cheese is a desert. Cream cheese is NOT a desert.
This reminds me of the ad pitch for non-dairy topping that Don and Megan did last season on Mad Men.
Are there flowers in flour?
Are there actual cats in cat food?
Are there actual dogs in dog food?
Are there flowers in flour?
Holy shit! Did you see that picture on that Italian wedsite? They put it in a salad! It's a fucking vegetable!
Is there Mich in MichFest?
Is there cock in cak?
The only thing worse than the question, are the people who feel the need to respond.....
Now I am one of you.
Cream cheese is a type of cheese that has been made creamy. Sometimes it is used in cake.
Is There Actual Angels In Angel Food Cake?
Is There Actual Sponge In Sponge Cake?
[quote]Is There Actual Angels In Angel Food Cake?
No, of course not (and check your grammar).
[quote]Is There Actual Sponge In Sponge Cake?
Yes, actually. The various definitions of "sponge" go beyond the sea sponge organism or the cellulose kitchen/bath tool to include a matrix of dough or batter inflated with bubbles of gas. A sponge cake IS a sponge.
But those of you riffing off this approach are missing the point. Cheesecake does contain actual real cheese.
Is there a butt in butter?..
Seriously, how come there are no fruits in fruit cake?
It's just raisin like things, there are no apple slices, or pear or orange.. that kind of thing
there is, that's why I always use it as lube!
JUST TASTE IT, R104.
R45, The "Sahara" is no longer the "Sahara" but "SLS Las Vegas." No joke.
R43, There is no "2" in the Mexican fruit, "tuna" either.
The Damon Butt is in butter
He's got some cheese too!
Correction: If you live in a trailer park, cream cheese alongside strawberries is haute cuisine. And you probably have never tasted a bagel. The rest of us will take our strawberries with brown sugar or mascarpone or creme fraiche or balsamic or just about anything other than a slab of cream cheese.
R115- there are dried and candied fruits in fruitcake. Fresh fruit pieces don't hold up so well when baked into that type of dense spice cake, and are better used in such things as fruit pies, when they aren't oppressed by the weight of the other ingredients and can be the top layer (or almost the top layer).
The dried and candied nature of the fruits also helps the cake last for longer- some people get really nasty with it and save fruitcakes for months, preserved in alcohol. My dad dumps a bottle of Jack Daniels over a fruitcake every year and then eats it in tiny pieces until about Valentine's Day. It is foul.
Yes of course everyone must be taught how to enjoy a strawberry. R121.
Nobody tell R11 that tomato is a fruit and not a vegetable.
The poor love will have a stroke.
Is there a sara in Sara Lee Apple pie?
Inquiring Minds Want to Know
[quote]some people get really nasty with it and save fruitcakes for months, preserved in alcohol.
Dude... they can last YEARS.
My mom makes an excellent fruit-cake actually. Not one of the gross ones with the flourescent candied fruit crap. It's mostly a blend of nuts and currants and such (dried apricots too I think).
They're super rich, so only one tiny slice is all you want or need, but it has really good, very intense flavor. And I think the record is three or four years old... they keep just fine tightly wrapped (in foil and plastic) in the back of the fridge.
[quote]Nobody tell [R11] that tomato is a fruit and not a vegetable.
Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit.
Wisdom is knowing not to put it in fruit salad.
Love that r128.
Consider it stolen.
Yes, but it is cream cheese, so no.
Hey R11, guess what I'm eating? Carrots and celery sticks...with cream cheese. And not any old cream cheese, VEGGIE cream cheese, with little bits of celery, green onions and red pepper. I also went with the CHIVES variety, but maybe next time. I saw it in the market, right next the ARTICHOKE cream cheese.
Yep, nothing says dessert like carrots, celery, onions, chives, red peppers and artichoke.
As r128's post highlights, the very dumbest thing about the "cream cheese is a dessert" debacle is that it has no relevance to the OP's question. Even if cream cheese were a dessert (which it not), it would still be a fucking cheese. So yes, OP, cheesecake contains cheese.
r131, carrots are found in carrot cake, so obviously, they're a dessert.
Are we finally all in agreement that:
1) There is actual cheese in cheese cake
2) Cream Cheese is cheese, and not a 'dessert'?
I guess so.
We bitch about stuff like this and yet nobody on datalounge has created a thread about vitally important information: that Umpy has moved to Texas to be jobless and is renting out his place in the Carolinas.