I was just watching an episode of "Rhoda" on YouTube last night.
This is sad.
Maybe they can get Sandy Duncan to replace her on the farewell tour.
Bless her heart.
Wow R8, I can be snarky but that was just cold. So glad I don't know you.
We seem to have a clairvoyant at r4.
First Bonnie Franklin and now Valerie Harper.
You are a mean and unforgiving God, Fred Silverman!!!!!!!!
If one must have terminal cancer, brain cancer is the one to get. No pain and you don't know what's happening at the end.
Is it really not painful? I always assumed it entailed horrific headaches.
"Leptomeningeal carcinomatosis (LC), also termed neoplastic meningitis, is a serious complication of cancer that carries substantial rates of morbidity and mortality. It may occur at any stage in the neoplastic disease, either as the presenting sign or as a late complication, though it is associated frequently with relapse of cancer elsewhere in the body."
This implies that perhaps her lung cancer has returned.
That is unbearably sad news. Valerie is one of the nicest people I ever worked with in show biz. I hope her last days are comfortable and happy for her.
Somebody I knew said she was nuts but nice.
I'm so sad about this. She was my idol growing up (I know, Mary!)
I also worked with Valerie Harper years ago, and she was the nicest person you could ever know. Everybody on the crew liked her and she was so lovely to us all. This is such sad news.
[quote]I'm so sad about this. She was my idol growing up (I know, Mary!)
I never met Mary but Lars and I tricked once.
Tough luck, kid. Sorry to hear it.
The production team from Full House produced her show Valerie. They fired her because they claimed she was hell on wheels.
Cancer, this is ya last chance!
Very sad news. I met her a few years ago and she was very nice.
[quote]They fired her because they claimed she was hell on wheels
And she won in court when she proved they lied. A nice big settlement too.
So sad. I've been crying on and off this morning since hearing the news, and I don't think it's fully hit me yet! This is a biggie for me and for many gay guys of a certain age. Rhoda is an icon for us...the awkward, self-loathing outsider who cracked quips to cover up her pain.
R22 Rhoda was not self loathing, stop projecting. She was insecure, big difference.
Brenda (Julie Kavner) is the only one left to carry on the Morgenstern legacy.
Think again, r24.
Louise Williams aka Debbie Morgenstern
A piece of my adult life just kvelled.
I just read her autobiography, I, RHODA, and she seems genuinely sweet and generous without being a goody-goody -- also one of those people about whom you never hear a disparaging word.
Actually, as far as these things go, dying in three months due to brain cancer is not altogether not a bad way to die.
It beats lingering for years and years with Alzheimer's or dementia, when you don't even know your name.
She avoids the nursing home experience, there's something to be said for that.
Three months is enough time to tie up loose ends and say goodbye to those near and dear. And it doesn't drag things out.
There are worse ways to die….
What r28 said. As my grandmother used to say, "There are some situations that are worse then death."
r15 again. I am so upset by this news. I've worked with a number of celebrities, some of whom were awful shits, but Valerie Harper was hands-down the nicest, most down-to-earth one I have ever known. She was doing a play (this was years ago) and I was a 19 year-old production/lighting tech who was in college at the time. I was pretty much the lowest person on the totem pole, and yet she treated me with the same kindness and respect as she did her director and the show's producer.
Valerie and I would occasionally chat during breaks in reharsals, and I would run to Starbucks for her - she'd hand me cash, tell me to buy whatever I wanted for myself and let me keep the change. She was just the kindest, most thoughtful person ever and also really funny. She was a lot like Rhoda in real life. As I said before, everybody on the production really liked her.
I am so, so sorry to hear this awful news. WHY does shit like this always seem to happen to good people?
Dancer in the chorus of the movie LI'L ABNER. Easy to spot. A very talented lady.
God bless you. You are loved!!!
Well, she's still going to have to pay through her lease on that apartment, ya know.
At least we still have Zsa Zsa.
r31: A friend who worked in PR in Hollywood in the '70s and '80s told me the only two stars he dealt with who were not divas/impossible/arrogant/self-centered/ horrors were Vanessa Redgrave and Valerie Harper. He describes them both as warm, delightful women who treated everybody with kinness and respect, and most notably asked him about his life and interests.
When I watch the show, I wonder if she and Valerie were friends offscreen. The way I see it, Valerie was just so friendly and outgoing that she bridged that chilly gap MTM apparently had with everyone. But after the show ended they probably just cordially crossed paths occasionally.
Weirdly, that was reflected in the Mary Richards character. She came from elsewhere to work in Minneapolis, and the only friends she seemed to have were co-workers and neighbors. I have no idea where she met her occasional dates.
According to her book, she was. When she was on Good Morning America promoting the book the day it was published a few weeks ago, Mary called in live to wish her luck with it. get the book, she tells about how she got the job and the formative years. Good read.
I met her and her husband. They were both very sweet and "normal" - no drama, no over the top ego - truly charming people. Sad to hear this news.
[quote] I wonder if she and Valerie were friends offscreen
Valerie was a bridesmaid at Mary's wedding to her current husband.
Has Wendy Schaal issued a statement?
She has, R41, but only in Francine Smith's voice.
I remember Mystery Science Theater:3000 showing some movie that showed someone ducking into a church to hide. As the camera quickly panned past a statue of the Virgin, one of the MST3K characters said "Hi, Mar!" in the Rhoda voice. Just a throwaway gag that was one of the funniest moments ever.
Valerie was everywhere. We'll always love her.
Betty White strikes again.
I always thought that Mary Tyler Moore would die first, given the complications from diabetes that are obvious when viewing her most recent photographs.
I am very saddened by the news regarding Valerie Harper.
She was half of a married couple that I could not understand at the time. Richard Shaal and "Rhoda"? Nah, that must be wrong, Valerie could not be married to that schlump. I never liked anything he did on TV. He even ruined an old Dick Van Dyke episode playing a TV host of a talk show that was trying to find Sally a husband. Terrible.
I was glad to see her marry the the physical trainer guy. Gorgeous with a great body. That was more like it.
I hope the passing is peaceful and calm for Valerie like it should be for all who die.
I hope Valerie does the maple syrup & baking soda routine. It's is very effective with tumors.
Very sad news.
Cloris Leachman @Cloris_Leachman
My longtime friendship w/ @ValerieHarper has been 1 of the gr8est gifts of my life. I'm here 4 any/everything she may need one day at a time
Hasn't she been sick for awhile. It's hard to believe that this diagnosis was just made. I bet she has known for awhile.
And yes it is sad. She is unique as an actress and person. She did it her way and it was fun to watch.
I'm surprised the Bonnie Franklin thread hysteric isn't jumping all over Cloris for that tweet.
That Mary & Rhoda reunion movie wasn't as bad as they claimed, it was reasonably funny and Valerie still looked great at the time.
Cloris Leachman tweets? Shut the front door!
I have to say, this is bringing tears to my eyes. The MARY!est Mary moment ever, I'm sure.
I just read this New Yorker piece and love this:
"Mary’s who you wish you were, Rhoda’s who you probably are, and Phyllis’ ”—the prissy Cloris Leachman character—“is who you’re afraid you’ll become."
I usually don't fuss over celebrities. But I truly wish a pain free passage for this woman.
"The first thing I remember liking that liked me back is food"
Oh my god - who's next...Linda Lavin???
Kiss mah grits!
Wow, well she was a hysterical in Tallulah and, from the testimonials here, a real sweetheart. I know she beat lung cancer a few years back. She is one of those genuine, warmhearted people you just take to. A childhood icon of mine. The doctors say the cancer is aggressive but not painful. Small favors.
"That Mary & Rhoda reunion movie wasn't as bad as they claimed, it was reasonably funny and Valerie still looked great at the time."
I HATED IT. And Mary looked awful -- all skinny with her silicone breasts flopping about. The movie sucked big time.
I can do snark with the best of them, but even I was caught off guard today by the terrible sadness this awful news provoked in me. Valerie Harper is hilarious and always seemed just like a living doll and one of the nicest showbiz people around. One class act. Godspeed, Rhoda.
[quote]Hasn't she been sick for awhile. It's hard to believe that this diagnosis was just made. I bet she has known for awhile.
No, she just found out in January when her book was published and she had to cancel her book tour and the nation tour of her Broadway show "Looped" which she helped develop. She thought it was the lung cancer returning. She had it years ago and in a weird sad coincidence both her Mother(a non smoker) and her TV Mother Nancy Walker both died of lung cancer.
R32 You're right, Valerie was a dancer in the movie Lil Abner...So were Beth Howland and Bonnie Franklin.
Valerie was a lifetime non-smoker too, R65.
Poor Rhoda, she was the best second banana ever.
Why is it that it's always nice, decent people that seem to get the worst diseases and rarely any of the evil assholes that are running around everywhere?
There is no God or karma.
I feel you r40.
Of all people who do not deserve this, it's Valerie Harper.
[quote] Valerie was a dancer in the movie Lil Abner...So were Beth Howland and Bonnie Franklin.
Quick, someone get Vera in a HEPA bubble!
So unfair for such a kind, talented, sweetheart of a lady.
It should have been Patti Lupone.
Cancer is scared of Patti Lu. It took one look at her, screamed and ran away.
Tweeted Larry King: "I've known Valerie Harper for years- enjoyed intv'ing her & being in her company-wishing her strength & good thoughts."
Hoda Kotb of the "Today" show said, "Hi @ValerieHarper ... @KathieLGifford and I are sending prayers your way #warmwave," with cohost Gifford adding later, "Lord bless you, Valerie."
Marie Osmond commended Harper's bravery in making the announcement. "It's just like @valerieharper to go forward with grace and appreciation," she wrote. "My prayers are with you, Valerie."
Wendy Williams and Andy Cohen sent prayers, while Nia Vardalos and "SNL" alum Rachel Dratch noted that Harper had been an inspiration to them as actresses.
"Valerie Harper, please know you will always be every awkward girl's mentor. Love, Toula," wrote Vardalos.
"You were the ultimate comedy role model to me when I was growing up - the quintessential 'best friend!' Sending you love..." said Dratch.
Harper got the news Jan. 15. With an estimated three months left to live, she told People, "I don't think of dying. I think of being here now."
More years ago than I want to admit, I went on a bus with others from my college to a rally on the Mall in Washington that was about fighting poverty and specifically aimed at trying to reduce homelessness, especially for the working poor and mothers with children.
Valerie Harper was one of the few celebrities involved, and she hosted the event from the stage for a couple of hours, introducing politicians, activists, musicians and other speakers. It was a hot, sticky day and the acoustic system didn't work so well, and the event was less than perfectly organized, but Valerie was lovely and dedicated and funny as hell.
All best wishes and hopes for a great lady.
Wow. Such terrible news. I actually shed a tear or two for her and for us all. It's so hard to face our own mortality. So much so that all religions/belief systems/superstitions give us hope of an afterlife and its that hope that keeps even otherwise educated and rational people merely agnostic. It will come to us all and regardless of circumstance wont be easy. It's hard to imagine life going on without us but it will. Makes life seem so trivial and pointless, so "Is That All Their Is?" I only hope Valerie passes on painlessly and with dignity as its the least she deserves. Maybe some of us will take pause today and let go of petty resentments and stop wasting our time worrying over silly material things that won't matter in the grand scheme. Do something nice for someone today. It's a tough slough that none of us will survive so let's at least make it easy for each other along the way. Hugs to you all.
Sadly, I am too young to remember much of anything that Valerie's work on television. I do remember a show called the Hogan's Family and did not like it very much as a child.
Everyone loves Rhoda. And everyone loves Valerie Harper. She provided years of joy and so many laughs to a whole generation. We miss her already.
Does Rhoda know Barbra Streisand?
Beth Howland can rest easy. Bonnie Franklin wasn't in LI'L ABNER. Bonnie Evans was the "Bonnie" dancer in that movie. Donna Douglas was also in it in a bit part (along with Valeria and Beth, who are most prominent in the "Put 'Em Back" number)
Valerie Harper is one of very, very few people that even DL can't snark on. That really says something.
Terminal cancer isn't necessarily a death sentence.
Tell me about it. Or better yet, check out my latest products on QVC!
Mary Tyler Moore Reacts to Valerie Harper's Cancer Diagnosis
By Michelle Tauber and Johnny Dodd
03/06/2013 at 05:00 PM EST
They are among television's first and most enduring BFFs – and for more than four decades, Valerie Harper has considered Mary Tyler Moore "a great girlfriend" in real life as well.
Now one of Hollywood's longest-standing bonds is bringing comfort and support to Harper as she faces terminal brain cancer.
"I'm absolutely devastated by this news," says Moore, 76, who herself underwent surgery in 2011 for a benign tumor in the protective membrane around the brain – the same spot where Harper's malignant cancer cells are located.
"Valerie has given so much joy, laughter and love to the world," says Moore. "I join her fans and send much love and positive thoughts to her and her family during this difficult time."
One day before going public with her diagnosis in PEOPLE, Harper called her costar from the show Mary Tyler Moore.
After small talk, "She said, 'What's up?'" recalls Harper, 73. "I said, 'It's incurable cancer.' She said, 'Val, I'm so sorry.'"
Both showbiz veterans have endured their share of personal challenges through the years, including Moore's public battle with diabetes and the untimely deaths of her sister and son.
"In one of her books she said, 'At every funeral of my family, Val was at my side," says Harper. "It's true. I love her."
As costars in the early 1970s, "she was kind and generous and loved to give gifts," recalls Harper, who played acerbic New Yorker Rhoda Morgenstern to Moore's sweet-natured Midwesterner Mary Richards. "Our first Christmas she gave me a big long key made into a necklace. It had the address of our made up apartment, 119 Weatherly. I learned so much from her and she shared so much."
And Moore continues to share support and advice with her dear friend.
Before ending their phone call, "Mary said, 'One day at a time,'" says Harper. "That's how we've got to live our lives. That's the best we can do."
[quote]Sadly, I am too young to remember much of anything that Valerie's work on television. I do remember a show called the Hogan's Family and did not like it very much as a child.
She wasn't on "The Hogan Family", she was on "Valerie" which became THF when she was wrongly fired. You're not too young to own a DVD player are you? Rent The Mary Tyler Moore Show" or at least YouTube it. Or "Rhoda" or a terrific movie of the week thriller called "Night Drive" or any of the hundred other projects she's done. IMBD is your friend.
I'm so incredibly saddened by this. I have loved Valerie Harper forever and wish so much that she could, as Ed Asner said today, "shock the hell out of us" and survive this.
Like R55, I don't usually let these kinds of stories about celebrities affect me too deeply but this is one time where it really got to me. God bless Valerie and her family and if this truly is her end, I wish her a very painless and peaceful transition.
I don't follow oldies television, but it sounds like Valerie Harper will live on as Rhonda to the millions of fans who's lifes she has touched. That's a kind of immortality that cancer can't take away.
[quote] Wish so much that she could, as Ed Asner said today, "shock the hell out of us" and survive this.
That Lou Grant....he's dreamy.
Where are the DL doctors and medical professionals? Does Val have any chance at all for some kind of turn-around?
R85. Thanks for your post. Such a bittersweet and touching friendship between Valerie and Mary.
The Mary Tyler Moore Show was the best show there ever was on television--and Valerie Harper was a standout among a great ensemble who made it so. Her bright light continues to shine 40 years later. We'll always remember Rhoda with love and laughter.
I hate it when doctors do that. WTF are they to play god! my aunt's BFF was diagnosed as terminal with less that a year to live, and she lasted ten years.
I'm not saying Rhoda will outlast this porediction, butshe could. I just think it's wrong to say that. She may last another 6 months, or she may leave us in less than a month. No one knows.
My favorite episode of The Hogan Family was the one where Sandy Duncan lost her glass eye and the kids had a scavenger hunt around the house to find it.
I'm sorry to hear this.
"No Mary, cottage cheese solves nothing. Chocolate solves everything."
Valerie Harper...the wonderful, varied and fascinating career of a talented, kind and lovely woman:
Is she selling any of her Rhoda caftans on EBay? I have a friend....
Kathy Griffin should say something. She says she always wanted to be Rhoda growing up, because the 2nd banana had the best lines. And then she did end up playing the Rhoda 2nd banana role in Suddenly Susan. SS wasn't that great, but it was still one of the best MTM clones, they've never been able to come close to matching the original.
Isn't strange both Mary Tyler Moore and Valerie Harper have brain tumors. Why do you think that is? Were they exposes to radiation on the set?
One thing I like is that looking at comments on articles around the web, everybody is sending a lot of love Valerie's way.
I was too young to see Rhoda or MTM, but as a kid I did discover Rhoda reruns and fell in love with them. I also liked the show Valerie as a kid. She's top notch in my book.
I feel horribly sad for her.
I remember a piece where Valerie discussed leaving Catholicism. I can't for the life of me remember where that was though.
I wonder if Betty White has spoken to her. Betty is now going to outlive "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" cast!
Not necessarily, r101.
[quote] Valerie Harper is one of very, very few people that even DL can't snark on. That really says something.
Let's not be too optimistic - if VH wasn't sick and dying, I think there'd be at least some snark.
But we snark on the dead and dying here (see Ephron thread) all the time. You're right that the love people are showing her is a real show of respect.
My mom told me this news last night, to which I responded "who"? Then my Mom said the mom from Valerie when you were a kid, before she was replaced and I was like oh her!
I had no clue that she was on shows in the 70s before I was born. I just thought she got famous for the Valerie show
Are her 2 shows from the 79s any good? That weren't filmed in black and white were they?
What is this shit that some people are oblivious to anything that happened before THEY were born?
Valarie Harper has EARNED our respect, unlike Bonnie Franklin and others.
R105 because I wasn't born yet!
R104, you are an idiot. Sorry. The Mary Tyler Moore show is a culturally iconic show. Everyone watched it. Everyone knows it. Even "young" people. Your age has nothing to do with it. Your intellect DOES. Valerie was and will forever be Rhoda Morgenstern to millions of people of ALL ages. She is beloved. That character is as recognizable as Lucy Ricardo or Archie Bunker or George Jefferson. Screw The Hogan Family. That was but a blip in Valerie's career. No one gives a shit about that stupid show. She will be remembered for Rhoda.
People who don't know who the fuck Valerie Harper is and what the Mary Tyler Moore show is should be airlifted to the island of TOO STUPID TO LIVE.
R108 wasn't Archie Bunker from All in The Family, my dad used to watch that show in reruns when I was a kid in the 90s, that show was hilarious
Didn't meam to piss you off if not knowledgeable on every TV show that aired BEFORE I was born
I don't know who Lucy Ricordo or George Jefferson were, I take it they're TV characters from Valerie's 70s shows.
R109 is a troll. Don't feed it.
R109 etc, do you know who FDR was? It was before you were born.
I eat old people's excrement.
What's with all the grief porn over Val? I thought we hated all of that.
[quote]What's with all the grief porn over Val?
Because she's one of the good ones.
OH MY GOD! A rich, famous beloved white lady in America is ending her life with brain cancer! She will cease to be rich, famous, beloved and white!
OH MY GOD!! Why! Why is life so cruel to this accomplished, rich, famous, beloved white lady!?!?!
Of the old MTM and Rhoda cast, only Ted, Joe, and Ida and (husband) Martin are dead. I'm amazed that Phyllis and Lou are alive.
R115 turn to dust already, and blow away.
[quote]I'm amazed that Phyllis and Lou are alive.
Cloris will outlive them all. She was always a health nut and has the reputation of being just too mean to die.
"That character is as recognizable as Lucy Ricardo or Archie Bunker or George Jefferson."
I had a young employee in her early 20s about ten years ago who had no idea who Lucy Ricardo is. So, we need to calibrate our expectations of what people are exposed to in the current world. The MTM show is not something that has been shown consistently since it went off the air. Rhoda even less so, since there aren't a huge number of episodes.
I vote we give the kids a break and urge them to check out YouTube for sitcoms where the comedy came from situations and scenes were longer than set up-set up-punchline-button-exterior coffee shop; repeat ad nauseum.
Does anyone know an address that we can send cards to Val?
I looked up Valerie's career on Wikipedia. She played the same character on Mary Tyler Moore and Rhoda one was a spinoff of the other.
Have never seen either show in reruns, am curious now.
I feel dumb saying this but earlier today I had though Harper played Mary Tyler Moore on that show and it was named after her character, and she played Rhoda on a different show called Rhoda. I didn't know Mary Tyler Moore was an actual person, I just though it was the name of the shoe
[quote]Isn't strange both Mary Tyler Moore and Valerie Harper have brain tumors. Why do you think that is? Were they exposes to radiation on the set?
I am telling you, Betty White is toxic. Why do you think Allen Ludden died so young?
I support you r104. Now find yourself the pilot episode of the Mary Tyler Moore show, season 1, episode 1.
Just before you die you go blind and a Max Steiner score starts booming.
She will be on The Doctors this Monday and Cloris Leachman will be on hand to offer her full support
What is the Doctors? Will they try to think up a cure for Valerie's cancer?
That doctor guy is from Survivor or someplace and he's easy on the eyes. I thought it was interesting she'd pick that show as it's not that popular. I'm glad she didn't pick Dr. Oz. She has a very good outlook but her husband seems to be struggling.
[quote]That doctor guy is from Survivor or someplace and he's easy on the eyes. I thought it was interesting she'd pick that show as it's not that popular.
His name's Travis Stork, and he was actually "The Bachelor" several years ago. The show is actually pretty popular, and has been on for quite a while now.
A particularly nasty form of a nasty disease. She seems like a lovely person. Rhoda sure helped me feel OK about being gay. I hope she passes without too much pain.
Cloris seems like a great friend. Valene is lucky to have her.
But where's Mary in all of this?
Has her TV son Justin Bateman made a statement?
BTW, MeTV is featuring "Valerie Harper Week" on their MTM reruns starting tonight.
r127 I always think that doctor is Dr. Marcus Lehman from Survivor (the "straight" guy who was gay Charlie's island boyfriend) too. They look like identical twins. I bet Marcus is pissed that Travis guy beat him to that job.
Damn I missed The Doctors Today
Jason said while he had no problems working with Valerie, he preferred Sandy Duncan.
He called Sandy one of his most favorite people in the world.
I'm so sad...love her.
this may be an odd question, but I recently was on a chain email for which the sender didn't erase email addresses from earlier in the chain, and one of the email addresses was Valerie Harper's (based on context, I'm 99% positive it's the correct address for the actress -- I would post it here but I don't want her getting lots of spam).
I'm a fan, and would like to send a fan-email, but I'm not sure what's appropriate here -- is "You made me laugh so I'm sorry you're dying" something someone like her would want to receive
Better to ask your friend if he'll forward it to her.
Does MeTV know something we don't? They're bringing back "Rhoda" starting July 8. I hope it's not a crass attempt to capitalize on her possible demise.