Toronto pulls ahead of Chicago to become the 4th largest city in North America
Tuesday, Mar. 05 2013
Step aside, Chicago – Toronto’s moving on up.
A city report says Toronto has surpassed Chicago in population and is now the fourth-largest city in North America behind Mexico City, New York, and Los Angeles.
The Economic Dashboard report – which was presented Tuesday at an Economic Development committee meeting – said Statistics Canada recently estimated Toronto’s total population at 2,791,140.
Chicago’s population, according to a 2011 U.S. Census Bureau report, was 2,707,120.
“These population figures are another sign confirming Toronto’s steady growth,” Mayor Rob Ford wrote in a statement. “Toronto is a desirable location for people to live and work. We are attracting people from across North America and other parts of the world.”
The report said Toronto’s population has grown steadily for the last 10 years, at an annual rate of about 38,000 people.
R1 - And yet the Chicagoland Metropolitan area is far more important and larger than the Houston Metropolitan area. Houston is a nice city and all, but it's nowhere near as prestigious as Chicago, and even if Houston itself surpasses Chicago's city population, Chicago > Houston.
Stay in your damn lane, Texan...
Spoken like someone very threatened by the future, R2.
Houston is at 2,145,146. Short of annexation, they aren't catching up any time soon.
Congratulations on the sprawl, Toronto! Toronto thinks population and sprawl makes it a significant city. It's just sprawl with a lot of people. Nothing special. No culture.
Chicaco will be a new Detroit in a few years, just wait and see, it's already happening. The population is fleeing and parts of Chicago are starting to look like a ghost town.
We had as many people as Toronto but they got murdered.
I agree with R1. Houston annexes new areas like a bitch in heat, and Chicago is in major decline. Houston's economy is continually growing, but Chicago's economy, although larger, is fairly stagnant.
It's only a matter of time.
Among urbanized areas Houston ranks 7 in the US behind New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Miami, Philadelphia, and Dallas. And that's only because for political reasons, they have broken the San Francisco Bay area into multiple tiny units and kept Baltimore and Washington strictly separated (which they are not in real life).
In truth, Houston ranks 9th in the US and 10th in the US and Canada.
R3 - Nope, not threatened at all. Houstonians are insecure and paranoid about what others think of their city and have a chip on their shoulder about it. The city has great restaurants, museums, and wonderful people, but Chicago it ain't...And I'd live in Houston before I'd live in Chicago, but it's very sprawled out, hot and humid, and somewhat ugly due to the lack of zoning. But I'm pretty sure you heard all that before.
They've also over-aggregated New York City in that list and under-aggregated Los Angeles. Again for the same political reasons.
In truth New York and L.A. are now virtually identical as urban regions.
You're the one who has written two defensive paragraphs, R10.
I'd rather live in Toronto than Chicago.
Don't they mean "GTA"? Fuck I hate that expression, and the ugly sprawl it represents.
In the 2011 Census, Toronto's population was 5,615,060.
In the 2010 U.S. Census, Chicago's population was 2,695,598
In 2011, Chicago's now growing population was estimated at 2,707,120, almost 100,000 more than Toronto's.
The claim that is being made by the Toronto authorities now is that in the last two years they have rocketed ahead of Chicago by adding almost 200,000 people. Is it true? Maybe, but the U.S. is now saying Chicago is growing again too.
Chicago's population peaked at 3.7 million in 1945. Toronto will never get there.
Sorry I should have checked that. In the 2011 Census, Toronto's population was 2,615,060.
Welcome to the Third World Toronto !
So given that Chicago was 100,000 people bigger than Toronto in 2011, I think it unlikely Toronto has passed Chi-town. It will sometime this decade, but not yet.
Toronto is, apparently, one of the fastest growing cities on the planet. And, as someone who lives in it, I don't think that's a good thing.
So within the city limits, Toronto has more people.
In metro area size, Chicago has 9,500,000 and Toronto has 5,500,000.
That's not really close, is it?
Houston metro area is 6,000,000.
That's in metro area, not the City. The city has had quite modest growth. 2.1 million as of 1991.
And the jump from 600,000 to 2 million happened through a merger of six cities in 1998. Before then Toronto was not as big as Montreal.
And yet still, Toronto is just so dull.
R10 Baltimore and Washington have separate television markets; the Bay Area does not.
R25 - True - do people from Baltimore feel a comaraderie with those from DC? I didn't think they did.
I know they're close - 40 miles - but they don't ever seem to be twinned up like cities of similar distances (e.g. Dallas / Ft. Worth).
Then again, San Jose is in the same DMA as San Francisco, but that seems very different.
It's clear the Census bureau is trying to cut up California cities to minimize them. It is ludicrous to say Antioch and Livermore are part of San Francisco, but Palo Alto is not. It is ridiculous to get a real L.A. number from Oxnard to Orange County and Riverside (but not including San Diego and Santa Barbara) but then extend New York to include Philadelphia.
People in northern Palm Beach County never go to Miami much less Homestead, but they have no problem calling that one area. Hell people in Ft. Lauderdale never go to Miami.
Toronto overtook Montreal as Canada's biggest city in the 1980's and it's been growing ever since.
[quote]Congratulations on the sprawl, Toronto! Toronto thinks population and sprawl makes it a significant city.
Actually R5 it represents the opposite of sprawl. All of the population growth has been within the city's limits and the evidence of that is in the skyline.
There are currently more high rise buildings under construction in Toronto than in New York and Mexico City *combined*.
"City" talk is outmoded and parochial. It's only metropolitan-area populations that mean anything. What's inside city limits matters much less than the entire region, of which a major city is just the historical (and sometimes effectual) center.
The Toronto/Hamilton area has about 6.5 million people at the moment. Chicago's area has about 8.0 million, with another 1.5 million in adjacent metro areas. Of course Chicago's area covers about five times that of Toronto's stretch, but that just underscores that Chicago's extent in every way exceeds that for the over-reaching, boring Canadian burg known as Greater Toronto.
I've never found Toronto boring. I miss being near the city. I used to go up and see theater all the time there.
People who complain about a lack of culture in cities like Toronto are usually
a) Paranoid New Yorkers who can't stand hearing about culture in other cities because they think they live in the be-all-end-all of good taste
b) People who never participate in cultural events anyway
But, it is full of Canadians, and they only count for 2/3rds of an American, so really it's only like 1.8 million American equivalents.
There is no theatre in Toronto. It's just the worst kitsch musicals imported from the US. People who care about theatre expect quality drama and something original. You won't find that in Toronto.
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I guess you dullards haven't read the thread, in which we pretty much established that Toronto has not in fact passed Chicago in population, although it probably will this decade.
Realistically, in comparing metros, you have to include the entire Golden Horsehoe with Toronto if you're going to include both Gary and Kenosha with Chicago.