The landlord virtually doubled the rent.
Closing at month end.
Well, we got a right to pick a little fight!
Hopefully not the one in NOLA!
Eww, whomever rents it next will have to burn the floor due to all the nasty AIDS/hepatitis DNA left behind. Gross.
Get 'em up, move 'em out!
Who? What? When? Where?
Which city is this in?
Why do you all suppose we live inside your brain, OP?
It's the one in Chelsea, not NOLA, thank god.
Oh, and I've swallowed gallons of cum in the men's room over the years.
Why do New Yorkers always assume everyone else lives in New York?
"the nasty AIDS/hepatitis DNA left behind."
Viruses don't have DNA, you paranoid imbecile. Go lock yourself in a plastic bubble.
Oh thank gawd! Little Hudson and Madison always ask their nanny what it is when they walk by! So uncomfortable!
R10 When I lived in NY, I couldn't imagine anyone lived anywhere else. Then when I got to hate the place -- winter had a lot to do with it -- I realized there were other places in America that might not suck even though they weren't Greenwich Village (I'm old; Chelsea wasn't CHELSEA!!! yet).
R10 I thought it was obvious that this was about the Rawhide in Chelsea. If you don't know something in a thread why don't you try googling it instead of pouting that you were out of the loop?
What, no nacreous layer of permacum?
Copious amounts of
Sad news, but I'm frankly surprised it lasted as long as it did.
I was more upset when Big Cup closed.
And Chelsea's conversion into a shopping mall for investment bankers continues unabated.
R14 why on earth would you think it would be "obvious"? The majority of Datalounge posters do NOT live in NYC, and there are bars named "Rawhide" all over the country, many (like the one in New Orleans) more famous/notorious and more visited by tourists than the one in NYC.
If you can't provide any context for a thread, why bother posting? Such entitled arrogance from NYC assholes...
[quote]Viruses don't have DNA
Wellll... they do, but not in the way R4 thinks.
Also, R4, hepatitis isn't the name of a particular pathogen. Hepatitis is caused by all sorts of things.
R16, the Big Cup was the NY branch of the Pop Stop in DC, right?
Boo. Yeah, it's a relic. But still. It was the best place to cool off during the dog days of summer and they have/had the COLDEST Stella on tap.
Me and my man would stop in every so often, chill, sip a beer and watch the old men fondle young ecuadorians.
Liked it, it had good jukebox and pinball.
There are indeed DNA viruses, but there are also RNA viruses.
I haven't been there in years but I'll miss it, I guess. I liked that it had jaegermeister on tap. A guy gave me a hand job there.
They get the nastiest, ugliest go-go boys in city. Good riddance!
[quote] Then when I got to hate the place -- winter had a lot to do with it -- I realized there were other places in America that might not suck even though they weren't Greenwich Village (I'm old; Chelsea wasn't CHELSEA!!! yet).
Part of my realization had to do with the fact that GV--and now Chelsea, and the EV as well--aren't what they were when I moved here. It's all a theme park now, with ads plastered on everything.
Everyone saying "good riddance" pretty much sacrifices the right to complain about the city's lack of edge in the future. And believe me--you'll say it. Hell's Kitchen is ALREADY on its way down.
There are too many crappy boring gay bars in HK. They need another leather bar like this or a smaller version of the Eagle. There's too many twinky bars!
Doesn't AC's Maslani own a little tavern in HK? I know he's got that saloon in the east village.
The Eagle is not long for this world either.
Manhattan is over, except as a playground for snotty Parisians.
This has been true for at least 15 years.
Unfortunately, Brooklyn is also over.
Astoria and Long Island City are on the verge of being over.
We should all get over ourselves and just move to the Bronx.
Manhattan was officially over the day Lexi Featherstone fell to her death.
This will be the last year of Folsom Street East (if it even happens at all). Bet on it.
I find the Rawhide/Eagle types, well, repulsive. Sorry if that sounds unkind. I'm partial to the athletic, preppy, boy-next-door type with a hard body who knows how to fill a pair of khakis.
"I'm partial to the athletic, preppy, boy-next-door type with a hard body who knows how to fill a pair of khakis."
clearly your delicate constitution has kept you from visiting The Eagle during its Sunday beer blast, where the above type is abundantly represented.
the only thing is they're looking for strapping daddy types. Not pinky-extended panty waists like yourself.
r34, I can assure you that I'm not a "pinky extended panty waist." In fact, just the opposite, my darling. I've been to the Eagle on Sundays and all I ever pee are a bunch of 40+ year old men in tee shirts 3 sizes too tight. There's nary one preppy guy there.
[quote]I've been to the Eagle on Sundays and all I ever pee are a bunch of 40+ year old men in tee shirts 3 sizes too tight.
You should have your urethra looked at.
I heard that they are opening a new location in the 50's by third avenue. Near Townhouse and O.W., seems like a good fit to me. That place has been around for over 30 years. Sad that they have to leave Chelsea, but I hope they can be successful in their new location. It's just been a part of the community for so long. Sad.
They need to stage a fundraiser with former "Rawhide" star Clint Eastwood.
I wish them well, but Rawhide in the East 50s is a poor fit.
Same as r21 here. I wasn't a regular at Rawhide but on a hot Saturday or Sunday afternoon in the summer, it was an ok place to stop in and have a few ice-cold beers with friends. I'm going to miss doing that.
I don't like what Manhattan has been turning into, but there's really no way to change it now. What's done is done.
Agreed R40. I don't live in NYC, but when I'm in town I always like to drop by this place for a cold beer. I love gay dive bars and they are certainly a dying breed. I travel alot for work and love finding these kinds of places. I was in Shreveport LA a few weeks ago and found a divey little gay bar with some of the bravest queens on Earth, I think, for being out and proud in that little shit hole town. The bigger cities all cater to the appletini crowd and the bars are really pretty generic and dull.
Rent is going from $15,000 to $27,000. A city where a corner store is $27,000 is a very uninteresting city.
It must suck to live in NYC where everything is so sanitized, disposable and expensive. Thank God I live in a city not on an island and I can travel and see the world beyond my nose.
I met my husband almost ten years ago at Rawhide. He was supposed to be a trick, but it didn't work out that way.
Having moved to New York just about when Rawhide opened and living in the next block, it does have memories I'll miss, even though I haven't been there in almost a decade.
What amazes me is that what most people remember is their cold beer. Not just on this thread, but on Facebook, etc., everyone mentions missing getting a cold beer there.
[quote]I thought it was obvious that this was about the Rawhide in Chelsea.
Why rather than the Rawhide in New Orleans? Oh I know: because you don't know about any place other than Chelsea, do you?
I went to Rawhide a couple of times, and it seemed like the gay bar equivalent of a cesspool. Just very filthy and grungy. Yes, I know, I'm sure a lot of you see it as the last bastion of that dark, dangerous, seedy NYC from the 70s/80s that many on this board are so inexpliably nostalgic for, but I, as well as my friends, actually much prefer the clean, family friendly vibe in NYC these days.
"I went to Rawhide a couple of times, and it seemed like the gay bar equivalent of a cesspool. Just very filthy and grungy."
No doubt you'll be diagnosed with MS after living in germ-free environments your whole life. I wonder what would happen to people like you if you ever saw what an actual dive bar interior looks like?
If the door is open when you walk by, the smell of stale beer wafts into the street.
One of the couple times I went, I dared to use the bathroom. First off, there's no lock on the door, so anyone could enter. I had to pee holding my dick in my left hand, and hold the door closed with my right hand. And I noticed what looked like semi-fresh cum on the floor next to the toilet. Just a filty, disgusting place. Most of the clientele looked like they enjoyed that aspect of the place. The Eagle is no better. I won't go there either.
I used to work on 20th and 10th and would there after work for a few drinks. I never hooked up with anyone; not my type of guys. But I had a blast. It'll be missed.
[quote]First off, there's no lock on the door, so anyone could enter. I had to pee holding my dick in my left hand, and hold the door closed with my right hand. And I noticed what looked like semi-fresh cum on the floor next to the toilet. Just a filty, disgusting place. Most of the clientele looked like they enjoyed that aspect of the place.
Stop being so prissy, Donna. Excitement is not always clean! You must get used to this low life -- for here lies beauty.
The bathroom door DIDN'T LOCK? Oh, mercy! Where are my smelling salts?
How many bars have you ever been in, princess?
r53, it's one thing if they had urinals. But that men's room is designated as one at a time. The cum on the floor was bad enough. The whole bathroom was grimy and dirty and reeked of sex. There was no soap dispenser...just a ratty bar of soap that looked like it had been sole survivor of the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaur population. And speaking of dinosaurs, most of the clientele looked like they probably roamed the earth during the mesozoic era. Just a horrible place.
I will miss Rawhide like I will miss feces in Ikea cakes.
[quote]I, as well as my friends, actually much prefer the clean, family friendly vibe in NYC these days.
This is why NYC sucks now: vapid twinks.
[quote]There was no soap dispenser...just a ratty bar of soap that looked like it had been sole survivor of the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaur population.
And DON'T get me started about the fact they had NO valet parking! Good riddance!
It amazes me that a place that's been around for over 30 years didn't decide to buy a place after a decade of success and decided to continue wasting money renting.
If you like getting your dick sucked at the Blue Door, I'd go soon. I'd imagine once some place starts getting $27K for a store the porno star will go next.
No way that porn store could make $27K a month.
my fondest memory of the rawride is stopping in for a drink with a friend who had moved to nyc - while at the bar my friend drop something from his pocket - the guy next to him reach down and handed my friend his crack pipe (which surprisingly did not break)without any judgmental expression
[quote] The majority of Datalounge posters do NOT live in NYC,
AAACCCTUALLY, at least half the posters here are from NYC. That has been verified by polls posted, as well as by Mediapolis.
R18,the majority of Datalounge posters live in NYC or are familiar enough with it.
I agree though that the majority of DL readers are flyover queens and straights looking for amusement.
Create your own damn threads about the decades-old gay bars in your own city or town. Based on your confidence, I am sure they will receive many posts.
[quote]Little Hudson and Madison always ask their nanny what it is
Shows what YOU know. Upper class NYers don't name their kids after the river or Madison Avenue. Madison is not upscale enough; they call the kid 5th.
(Think it over when you see someone named ______ ________ the THIRD.)
[quote]AAACCCTUALLY, at least half the posters here are from NYC. That has been verified by polls posted, as well as by Mediapolis.
That may have been true at one time, but it hasn't been true for a while now, sorry.
R62, you're missing the fucking point. Seriously, this isn't that difficult. Just provide a little CONTEXT with your post. Don't ASSUME everyone knows exactly what you're talking about. Sheesh. Show a little humility instead of the typical NYC arrogance that everything is about YOU and YOUR city.
I thought it was spelled "Madyson" or "Madisyn".
Great. Expect a new TDF branch or a nail salon.
r65, discussing something that seems arcane to others is not restricted to NYC references. It happens all the time in a wide variety of contexts. If you don't know a reference, just ask, or google it. I do quite often and don't feel personally resentful that I've needed to do that.
No one needs to explain every single reference in a post. If they did, many posts would be tomes.
By the way, a tome means a very long description of something.
r63, for someone to be **** ****, the 5th, there would have to be five living members of the immediate family with the exact same name. That is simply not possible. Once the oldest person dies, everyone moves up the ladder; so, the third becomes the second, etc. I am not interested what *some* people do or what you may have seen or heard before. These are the rules.
R30 Astoria is a never was ,darling. An ugly neighborhood that actually looks like one of the ugliest capitals in Europe, Athens. Long Island City is for hipsters who couldn't get into Brooklyn. It is a bland boring place.
Some of the Bronx is nice BUT the rest looks like Berlin after WWII! Maybe having a gay sex club/glory hole palace there wouldn't be such a bad idea.Just like the dykes revivified Park Slope maybe the GLBT community can reclaim the Bronx.
[quote] Astoria is a never was ,darling.
You obviously missed it's brief ascendancy, and while that's understandable, there's no need to trumpet it.
Anyone even joking about reclaiming the Bronx doesn't know enough about anything. What killed the Bronx--the CBE being rammed through the middle of neighborhoods in a way that essentially forced their stagnation--has never been rectified.
How sad and ironic that the closure of a place which provided a safe haven and friendly watering hole (and cruise spot) for gay men for so very long, is being celebrated and mocked with words like "AIDS infested" on a site created for and by gay men, but allowed to become infested itself by bigoted, homophobic women.
[bold] Alan Emtage, Carl Pritzkat, Michael Rhodes & Tony Travostino, are you reading? Please save the DL. Please. [/bold]
Kyle owns the Rawhide building.
forward your complaints to her
It could have been a 'humorous' gay man saying that, R72. We'll never know. Also, people have been complaining about straight women on this board since.. When did I first take a look .. 8 years ago?
Ugh. Chelsea will be yet further swept up and made safe for more bank branches. I liked the Big Cup when I first moved here..I didn't go a lot but it was proof of a community life to the place. Sad.
It's a shame to see Rawhide go..but I feel a little less sentimental about it. The place was nasty, one time I went in it carried an unspeakable stench. It'll be tempting to sit around and say oh, wasn't it great.. It kind of wasn't. There's a fine line between seedy awesome and seedy pathetic.
Whatever. It's a loss, even if the reality of it wasn't much fun.
Maybe seedy pathetic is seedy awesome! Save the Rawhide!
Good riddance to bad rubbish, I say. It's about time the plug was pulled on this trashy bar. The bar was an embarrassment. It's the 2010's, my dears. We no longer need this type of dark, filthy, disgusting, hypersexual venue as a metaphor for a big "FUCK YOU!" to the hets who deny us the white picket fence lives they enjoy. WE DO have mainstream lives now. We do blend in, and we can let go of the anger. The existing bath houses should be the next to become extinct IMO.
Curious about when you last set foot in there, r76? It's not that dark and it's certainly not hypesexual, unless by that you mean that most people know that most of the other people are homosexual? And there is no anger.
R76 = fermale and has absolutely no fucking business here.
Burn it. With fire.
My home away from home! Sadness. How I will miss the dancers.
The misogynists on this board are the ones who should fuck off to somewhere else or get burned with fire. I have no problem with the Rawhide and am sorry to hear it is closing, but those of you who believe that gay men never have anything critical or judgmental to say about things that other gay men like, and thus, all the anti-Rawhide comments must be coming from women, are CRAZY. I doubt that very many women who hang out here have ever been to the Rawhide or really give a shit about it one way or the other.
What bar do hot guys go to in NYC?
They don't, R81. They meet at the gym or hook-up online. They might go out in Hell's Kitchen somewhere with friends, but not to "meet" people.
None of them, r81. Young gay men in NYC are all living their lives online now.
R73, who's Kyle? As I understand it, Paul was offered a partnership with the longtime owner (whose name I can't recall), but declined - instead, as many know, he tried to set up a spot of his own in Atlanta, but that didn't work, for intuitive reasons.
As someone else mentioned, the whole quarter block is likely to be torn down; the building itself is REALLY old, and there are of course the leaks from upstairs occasionally. Salvation Army next door, the Blue, and then all those restaurants. I mean, look what they did across the street where the A&P used to be - now a Gristede's/high-density apt. building? Or that Chino Latino diner that became Niso's (now also closed)?
The NYPD really tried to close it several times, but never did succeed.
R81, R82 doesn't know what he's talking about, lol. They go to the Eagle, just like everyone else. Yes, they do meet at the gym or on Grindr, also, but not exclusively.
[quote]Kyle owns the Rawhide building.
Good luck with that bitch.
R69, you err in several respects. Limiting myself to those included in your posting, I never suggested the someone would be named THE Fifth. After all, one is not named "THE Madison." The child would simply be named "Fifth." For someone to be named, say, Charles Smith V, however, does not require that Chucks 1-4 be living. It merely requires that they lived and were named Charles, Charles Jr (or Charles II, if he was not the son of the first one), Charles III and Charles IV. The rules differ somewhat if one is a member of a royal family, in which case Junior is unlikely; one's son can be the next consecutive number, even if it's 2. And they differ even more if one is Pope.
Once one acquires a number (or, for that matter, Junior), that number is fixed. One does not move up the ladder upon the death of an antecedent.
R68, nobody is asking anyone to write a tome... but even google wouldn't have helped here (and why expect a thousand people to run to google to figure out what you're talking about when you can take a few seconds to add just a little context?). Just adding "Rawhide In NYC to Close" would have been more than enough.
Sheesh. You act like it's an unreasonable request to provide at least a minimum of context when starting threads. Don't assume everyone "just knows" the common (or obscure) name you're throwing out, whether it's a bar or some actor or whatever.
People who don't know which bar the OP is talking about probably wouldn't be interested in discussing it, anyway, so what is the big deal, r88? Some of you people can get all butthurt over the dumbest things.
R89, why is such a simple concept so difficult for you to grasp? How would they KNOW they're not interested if they don't know [italic]which[/italic] Rawhide is closing?
Are you really that stupid? Stop being butt-hurt about being called out on a perfectly legitimate issue. You're proving how dumb you are.
It's a bar. Bars go out of business all the time. It's the nature of the beast. I was never a fan, but I realize that it meant a lot to many people.
The one time I had my pocket picked when I lived in Chelsea was in front of it, right after the smoking ban started. I chased them (they were kids really) yelling, "Keep the cash and throw the rest of it down," which they did. Then I went to the Chase ATM on 8th (the one that always gave fifties) and back into Rawhide.
There were always some offbeat drunks in there, and I liked it. Sad to hear it's closing.
Got a lot of hot piece of ass there but I guess it couldn't live forever.
r93 is posting from 1893.
R87, pours milk first.
Don't try to understand em
Just poke em
Rope and brand em
Anybody go this weekend?
Saturday, yes - it was packed with lots of familiar faces - pool table gone, video games gone, though.
Unless I'm wrong, I don't think they have a new spot picked out. If I were in charge of that decision, it would be near the Eagle, for a number of reasons - the crowds are similar if not identical; the business they do does not compete with each other, but rather complements.
Chelsea had changed irreparably years ago, and this closing was inevitable.
It had nothing to do with being hard to get to or from; indeed, one of the most brilliant things about Rawhide was it's extremely convenient location near just about every subway and train line to everywhere else, heavy pedestrian foot traffic on an Avenue in the middle of the gayest neighborhood in New York, taxis galore in front at any hour of the day.
The closing could have been avoided if only they'd agreed to run a shuttle bus to the D & D building.
So apparently, rumor has it they are going to open at 58th and 3rd.
Personally, I HATE that area. The obligatory urban white-trash-trying-too-hard-not-to-be neighborhood, like Wicker Park or South of Market.
But even setting aside my personal objections, I'm not sure I understand how this location is going to improve matters for them. People from New Jersey or the Bronx even Brooklyn will have to essentially go out of their way to get there. It's a hike from any of those directions, even from fucking downtown. Who wants to really deal with that except maybe on Saturday?
I'll give it two years, my prediction. Hope I'm wrong, but that's my sense.
The Eagle is next to go, R98. Do you really think a scruffy little gay bar like Rawhide could find a retail space for rent in an area reapidly morphing into a luxury residential enclave?
No, not in Chelsea - not anymore. Anyway, doing a post-mortem on their 8th Avenue operation is pointless, I suppose - sorry.