Seriously, just fuck them. I hope every single person who works for them has to watch their closest loved ones crushed beneath an overturned vehicle.
That is all.
the IRS is just there to carry out the increasingly arcane and fucked up tax code. blame your wimpy representatives in the government who can't get their shit together and get off the subsidy and tax break teats to fix it.
A friend went to work as a lawyer for the IRS and he was somewhere between positive and neutral about them at the time. It took less than a year for him to begin seething with hate for the IRS because he watched them routinely go after small fish while they ignored major tax evaders. The incident that caused him to turn against them was when they auctioned off the farm of an elderly widow.
The DEA does the same thing, going after street dealers while those for whom they work go free. I've heard ATF is notorious for the same thing. The more egregious your crimes, the less likely some federal agencies are to prosecute you.
I always hope they'll be hacked and lose all the info on who owes what, but naturally they must have serious back up on it all. I've also heard of a lot of people quitting the IRS because they couldn't stomach how heartless they are.
Time to defund for starters and then replace this rogue agency. Enough of their apologies and promises to do better. They've said that for years. They are a modern day Gestapo used by both Democrat and Republican administrations. The Fair Tax is the way to go. You get your full paycheck with no tax taken out. Everyone pays at the cash register when they buy goods or services. No loopholes. You do get a rebate for any taxes paid on essentials like food. Check out the Fair Tax website.
And tax the churches !
I hate them too, but I have to agree with R1.
The real culprit is the despicable and spineless political establishment that has produced a perverted, impenetrable tax code that would provide Kafka with the stuff of a dozen horror stories.
They provide loopholes for themselves and their donors and anyone else rich enough to afford comprehensive and very expensive tax avoidance advice, while forcing everyone else to spend days tearing out their hair trying to figure out how to calculate what they owe (and you always do seem to owe, don't you? That's because you probably don't have a team at Ernst and Young figuring out which of your assets you should be holding via a Guam-based shell company!).
And now the government is cutting enforcement resources, which means the IRS will concentrate more than ever on the low-hanging fruit of small earners and businesses.
The reason they don't go after "big fish" is that they tend to pay loads of consumption (sales, hotel, telephone, etc.) taxes, and other taes, including property, employer, etc. It's just good business to let them keep spending.
They do this even with average people. I've owed my stat4e government about $3k for years, but in that time, becuase of the nature of my work, I've paid more in consumption and other taxes to the state than most multimillionaires. Of course it'd be nice to pay them off, but it's not like I'm not paying other taxes. Rest assured, if I ever acquire property, or wealth, the state will be there, ready to take its cash back.
The woman who lostw her farm could have protected it in bankruptcy, in all likelihood.
You're lucky (or smart) to owe state and not federal taxes, r8, because state tax authorities don't have anything like the pull of the IRS machine. Your state is unlikely to have you arrested at the airport, and I imagine the civil and criminal penalties for failing to pay your state taxes in time are significantly lower than for federal taxes.
Remember, one of the absurd things federal tax laws are supposed to do is to provide a basis for jailing people like Al Capone, who can't be convicted of other serious offenses.
And in spite of the 24/7 PRISM surveillance we've all recently discovered we're under, I don't believe for a second that either the IRS or state tax authorities have the capacity to figure out who's paying what in property, employment, sales or other taxes to make up for unpaid income taxes. Please, that would actually require a lucid cost/benefit analysis. AS IF!
Let it go, op, without the IRS their would be no USA.
[quote]without the IRS their would be no USA.
R10, there most certainly was a US before the IRS and there'd be one if we dismantled it. The agency was originally created by Lincoln as a temporary (!) way to help pay for the Civil War. Then, the politicians discovered how much they liked the extra money and the ability to fuck, er, fiddle with tax codes to manipulate society.
R1 is absolutely right. I've had to deal professionally with the IRS for over 30 years, and, believe me, they don't like the current tax laws anymore than you do. The real problem is a Congress that preaches "tax simplification" and then passes laws that do exactly the opposite, being impossible to administer without adding more complexity to the system.
A good example is the Earned Income Credit, an entitlement designed to benefit the lowest income individuals. Over the years, Congress has added so many qualifiers and rules - designed to avoid abuse of the system - that it's almost impossible for the average person to compute it with pen and tax forms, without using software or a tax professional. Congress recognizes that, and is talking about "simplifying" it, but ... well, you get the picture.
In all of my years dealing with the IRS, I have encountered a few assholes on a power trip (and have enjoyed taking them down, since they can't get away with the intimidation they use on taxpayers alone, since I am well aware of what they can and cannot do.) But the vast majority of IRS employees I have worked with have been reasonable, polite people, trying to do a job that society sees just one step above the guy at the animal shelter who puts down stray animals. Many get frustrated with the system and leave, resulting in a shameful turnover of staff, making everyone else's job just that more difficult. And today, with budget cuts coming from Congress (the same people who make their job uber-difficult), they are often short-staffed and poorly trained, to the point where I find myself actually feeling sorry for them, which is a new experience for me.
As far as them "picking on" lower income people, that is somewhat true only with regard to small businesses as opposed to big ones. The reason is financial: large businesses can generally afford legal advice and professional audit representation, making it more difficult and time consuming for the IRS to collect extra tax from a previous year. On the other hand, send a scary-looking IRS notice to a small business, saying they owe $XXX, and they are likely to just send in a check, because they are deathly afraid of having to deal with the IRS face to face. It's sad, because the IRS DOES make many mistakes, especially these days, and it is very possible that the assessment isn't justified. (While it is true that small businesses would be less likely to have professional tax guidance, and thus more likely to claim questionable deductions, they also are as likely to MISS legit deductions. I have had many instances when I am representing a new client in audit, and the end result is that the client gets more money back, because we found stuff they missed!) But the IRS plays the odds, and would rather hit up 100 small businesses to get $200 each, than one larger business for $20,000. It's simply easier and faster.