Seriously, just fuck them. I hope every single person who works for them has to watch their closest loved ones crushed beneath an overturned vehicle.
That is all.
the IRS is just there to carry out the increasingly arcane and fucked up tax code. blame your wimpy representatives in the government who can't get their shit together and get off the subsidy and tax break teats to fix it.
A friend went to work as a lawyer for the IRS and he was somewhere between positive and neutral about them at the time. It took less than a year for him to begin seething with hate for the IRS because he watched them routinely go after small fish while they ignored major tax evaders. The incident that caused him to turn against them was when they auctioned off the farm of an elderly widow.
The DEA does the same thing, going after street dealers while those for whom they work go free. I've heard ATF is notorious for the same thing. The more egregious your crimes, the less likely some federal agencies are to prosecute you.
I always hope they'll be hacked and lose all the info on who owes what, but naturally they must have serious back up on it all. I've also heard of a lot of people quitting the IRS because they couldn't stomach how heartless they are.
Time to defund for starters and then replace this rogue agency. Enough of their apologies and promises to do better. They've said that for years. They are a modern day Gestapo used by both Democrat and Republican administrations. The Fair Tax is the way to go. You get your full paycheck with no tax taken out. Everyone pays at the cash register when they buy goods or services. No loopholes. You do get a rebate for any taxes paid on essentials like food. Check out the Fair Tax website.
And tax the churches !
I hate them too, but I have to agree with R1.
The real culprit is the despicable and spineless political establishment that has produced a perverted, impenetrable tax code that would provide Kafka with the stuff of a dozen horror stories.
They provide loopholes for themselves and their donors and anyone else rich enough to afford comprehensive and very expensive tax avoidance advice, while forcing everyone else to spend days tearing out their hair trying to figure out how to calculate what they owe (and you always do seem to owe, don't you? That's because you probably don't have a team at Ernst and Young figuring out which of your assets you should be holding via a Guam-based shell company!).
And now the government is cutting enforcement resources, which means the IRS will concentrate more than ever on the low-hanging fruit of small earners and businesses.
The reason they don't go after "big fish" is that they tend to pay loads of consumption (sales, hotel, telephone, etc.) taxes, and other taes, including property, employer, etc. It's just good business to let them keep spending.
They do this even with average people. I've owed my stat4e government about $3k for years, but in that time, becuase of the nature of my work, I've paid more in consumption and other taxes to the state than most multimillionaires. Of course it'd be nice to pay them off, but it's not like I'm not paying other taxes. Rest assured, if I ever acquire property, or wealth, the state will be there, ready to take its cash back.
The woman who lostw her farm could have protected it in bankruptcy, in all likelihood.
You're lucky (or smart) to owe state and not federal taxes, r8, because state tax authorities don't have anything like the pull of the IRS machine. Your state is unlikely to have you arrested at the airport, and I imagine the civil and criminal penalties for failing to pay your state taxes in time are significantly lower than for federal taxes.
Remember, one of the absurd things federal tax laws are supposed to do is to provide a basis for jailing people like Al Capone, who can't be convicted of other serious offenses.
And in spite of the 24/7 PRISM surveillance we've all recently discovered we're under, I don't believe for a second that either the IRS or state tax authorities have the capacity to figure out who's paying what in property, employment, sales or other taxes to make up for unpaid income taxes. Please, that would actually require a lucid cost/benefit analysis. AS IF!
Let it go, op, without the IRS their would be no USA.
[quote]without the IRS their would be no USA.
R10, there most certainly was a US before the IRS and there'd be one if we dismantled it. The agency was originally created by Lincoln as a temporary (!) way to help pay for the Civil War. Then, the politicians discovered how much they liked the extra money and the ability to fuck, er, fiddle with tax codes to manipulate society.
R1 is absolutely right. I've had to deal professionally with the IRS for over 30 years, and, believe me, they don't like the current tax laws anymore than you do. The real problem is a Congress that preaches "tax simplification" and then passes laws that do exactly the opposite, being impossible to administer without adding more complexity to the system.
A good example is the Earned Income Credit, an entitlement designed to benefit the lowest income individuals. Over the years, Congress has added so many qualifiers and rules - designed to avoid abuse of the system - that it's almost impossible for the average person to compute it with pen and tax forms, without using software or a tax professional. Congress recognizes that, and is talking about "simplifying" it, but ... well, you get the picture.
In all of my years dealing with the IRS, I have encountered a few assholes on a power trip (and have enjoyed taking them down, since they can't get away with the intimidation they use on taxpayers alone, since I am well aware of what they can and cannot do.) But the vast majority of IRS employees I have worked with have been reasonable, polite people, trying to do a job that society sees just one step above the guy at the animal shelter who puts down stray animals. Many get frustrated with the system and leave, resulting in a shameful turnover of staff, making everyone else's job just that more difficult. And today, with budget cuts coming from Congress (the same people who make their job uber-difficult), they are often short-staffed and poorly trained, to the point where I find myself actually feeling sorry for them, which is a new experience for me.
As far as them "picking on" lower income people, that is somewhat true only with regard to small businesses as opposed to big ones. The reason is financial: large businesses can generally afford legal advice and professional audit representation, making it more difficult and time consuming for the IRS to collect extra tax from a previous year. On the other hand, send a scary-looking IRS notice to a small business, saying they owe $XXX, and they are likely to just send in a check, because they are deathly afraid of having to deal with the IRS face to face. It's sad, because the IRS DOES make many mistakes, especially these days, and it is very possible that the assessment isn't justified. (While it is true that small businesses would be less likely to have professional tax guidance, and thus more likely to claim questionable deductions, they also are as likely to MISS legit deductions. I have had many instances when I am representing a new client in audit, and the end result is that the client gets more money back, because we found stuff they missed!) But the IRS plays the odds, and would rather hit up 100 small businesses to get $200 each, than one larger business for $20,000. It's simply easier and faster.
OK. I paid $63 for a seven-digit number called a PTIN on the 27th of December. Apparently, they expire every Dec. 31, despite when you actually get it. So, now I have to pay those assholes another $63 out of my -broke-as-fuck account for a PTIN renewal. Value? FUCK THE IRS!!!!!!!
I've never had a problem with them. They have a tough job because people like OP (sorry) take their frustrations with the entire system or even the world out on them. Taxes are the price of a civilized society. Have some gratitude that we've got paved roads and safe food, etc. taxes are lower today for most people than they've been for 60 years.
R13 Again, blame Congress, not the IRS.
[quote]But the IRS plays the odds, and would rather hit up 100 small businesses to get $200 each, than one larger business for $20,000. It's simply easier and faster.
That's an explanation, but it's definitely not a valid reason. We deserve so much better than that.
Actually, I work for the IRS and I can tell you that shit is fucked up on MY end because of identity thieves. They are fucking RAMPANT.
Over HALF of the shit I see on a daily basis is bullshit scams or identity theft. Really, you all have NO IDEA how many scams are out there. It's fucking astounding how many bogus tax returns are filed by scammers. I see a "real" return and I'm amazed.
There are fewer and fewer employees to deal with the scams and that pisses me off. I HATE seeing money wasted on fucking scammers/ID thieves. I'd much rather go after these fat cats who are gaming the system but there are so many fucking small-time scammers that we get bogged down in them. And it takes forever to prosecute them.
TaxTrollEA - I hope you don't mind, I have a question for you. I owed the IRS $2,000 last year and have been making monthly payments on time. I'm going to owe about the same amount this year. Do you think they'll allow me to add it to the monthly plan?
OP, quit acting as if you're the only one who fills out a tax form every year. You're not.
[quote]there most certainly was a US before the IRS and there'd be one if we dismantled it.
Yeah! Sure! Before the income tax, America charged TARIFFS on imported goods! Do you think for FIVE SECONDS the "job creators" would be allowing anything like that to happen!? What do you think would happen to the price of oh, say...EVERYTHING?
The IRS and Federal Reserve are far more evil than Putin.
[quote]The IRS and Federal Reserve are far more evil than Putin.
Hi, Libertarian Idiot Troll! What color is the sky today on Planet Libertarian?
Here on planet Earth, Putin referred to Eastern Ukraine today as "New Russia". To my knowledge, neither the IRS nor the Fed has ever tried to launch military actions against a sovereign country. So your comparison, as always, is six different shades of stupid.
Right up the ass.
May I have this dance, r22?
Every March 1st or so (not Feb 1st because the asswholes can't get the forms out on time anymore,) I take what my liability was last year and send the IRS that exact amount and enclose all 4 estimated forms. Then I can totally forget they exist for another 11 months. I use the Internet thingy to file, just fill in whatever and don't check anything. Fuck em if they want to dig through all the numbers which I can no longer comprehend.
It took me almost 70 years to get where I can do that.
Don Rumsfield sends in the same note with his tax returns every year:
"As in prior years, it is important for you to know that I have absolutely no idea whether our tax returns and our tax payments are accurate. I say that despite the fact that I am a college graduate and I try hard to make sure our returns are accurate.
The tax code is so complex and the forms are so complicated, that I know I cannot have any confidence that I know what is being requested, and therefore I cannot and do not know, and I suspect a great many Americans cannot know, whether or not their tax returns are accurate."
[quote]I owed the IRS $2,000 last year and have been making monthly payments on time. I'm going to owe about the same amount this year. Do you think they'll allow me to add it to the monthly plan?
When you agree to pay back taxes on an IRS Installment Agreement, what you are signing includes a condition that you remain "current" with all taxes within the length of the agreement. You violated that, if your balance due for the following year is more than the greater of $1,000 or 10% of your total tax.
Call the IRS at the number you have for your installment agreement (NOT the generic IRS number), and explain what happened. They likely will allow you to add it, with the caveat that it must NOT happen again.
The IRS has been so vastky underfunded that they go for middle income low-hanging fruit. The Republicans have made it impossible for the IRS to audit the Big Fish. Add to that the added unfunded responsibility of the ACA and you get exactly what the Republicans intended all the time, a frozen bureaucracy.
Audit the Koch fuckers.
R26 So why is he addressing this to the IRS? He worked in government for years--does he not realize that the IRS has nothing to do with how complex the tax laws have become? Wasn't he a Congressman?
They are federal employees which means they show up, count the milliseconds until retirement and nothing else if they can help it. They have power and, being small wretches, are drunk with it. They're jealous, which makes them evil and vindictive. I try my very best to make life miserable for them, but it's hard to do.
r30, you are just the middle class idiot that Reaganomics has spawned over three decades. Federal employees do a difficult job and are under unfunded mandates to accomplish almost impossible tasks.
If you hate government, and elect government haters, don't be surprised at the government you get.
I know of no government employee that would go out of their way to engage an asshole like you. Your needs would be met efficiently and they would head to the bathroom having dodged another bullet.
And them be jealous of assholes like you, hardly.
Fuck you r30 on behalf of all my friends who work for the Federal Government.
R31 is a social parasite.
r32 has a silver spoon shoved up his ass.
R31 has no earthly idea how pitiful his post sounds and never will.
The IRS does the best job it can under the circumstances. People who complain about it are usually either crooks or libertarians.
OP sounds like he's both.
r35 nailed it. OP is an ass.
Taxes are necessary. Unless you want to live in a barbaric landscape with nothing. No roads. No schools. No emergency responders. No military. No police. No museums. No libraries. No national parks. No public transportation.
OP - Move to Somalia.
No police = no more black men having their lives ruined by brownshirts for things that shouldn't even be illegal.
No schools = no more propaganda factories turning out idiots, and no more kids being bullied to suicide.
No military = no more incidents like the wars in Afghanistan or Iraq.
Government employees are enablers of imperialism.