On March 1, after he steps down he will release a 300 page document listing all of the things the Vatican is being blackmailed over.
A lengthy investigation by the Italian newspaper “La Repubblica” has discovered that the origin of the resignation has little to do with health, but instead to do with another word, “influentiam,” Latin for Blackmail. They tie the resignation to the investigation into leaked documents, a scandal nicknamed “Vatileaks” in the popular media. The investigation into these leaked documents, detailing sex, corruption, bribery and scandal released in the book Sua Santità. Le carte segrete di Benedetto XVI, revealed that not only were the accusations true, but that there was a blackmailing ring behind it all, circling even at the highest levels of the Catholic Church.
When the report was delivered, it is reported that Pope Benedict decided that day to resign, a symbolic falling on the sword. He further declared that once resigned, this report, 300 pages, will be released directly to the public on March 1st, revealing every dirty secret, every lie, every blackmail to the world. La Repubblica further continues, that the blackmailing ring involved homosexual members of the clergy. This is tied directly to the procurement of male prostitutes for members of the Papal staff.
Oh the horror! The hypocracy of the catholic church revealed! Who could ever have conceived of it!
bwha ha ha!
[quote] The hypocracy
Nah, this is not nearly enough to get the pope to resign for the first time in 600 years. Not even close.
There would have to have been a direct connection to the pope for this to matter. There's no way the pope or his advisors would have thought the public would have cared enough about this to damage the pope directly. The organization is huge. Of course there are scandals and corruption. This doesn't pass the smell test.
If the scandal involved the pope himself procuring men which is most likely what it actually is, that would be a start to a resignation. But this? Nope. It's just a minor league red herring.
A random papal whatever that no one has ever heard of or cares about? Please.
I'll just sit here and hold my breath until that's released, OP
He has thrown himself on a few swords, I'm sure.
I've never said this before, but I wish my mother, who never made a decision without checking her popeometer, had lived to see this day.
She ruined the lives of everyone around her with her Catholicism. I just wish she'd been around to see this.
Lord Sebastian Flyte is posting here at r7?
So to shriek, R8. So to shriek.
Purest Italian fantasy.
And that is very pure indeed.
I read somewhere that there were allegations against the pope for sexual abuse. Wonder if that's true.
He probably had his finger in some little girl's pie.
Does this mean the Pope LIED about his reasons for resignation?
That article is almost as old as male nude figurative Tom Bianchi.
[quote] I've never said this before, but I wish my mother, who never made a decision without checking her popeometer, had lived to see this day.
Wouldn't make one whit of difference. My mother is still alive and views all of this as a persecution of the church. She does not believe the pedo scandal -- says maybe one in a thousand complaints is true; the others are copycats by unhappy homosexual complaintants who want to disgrace the church for nefarious reasons. She points to the AIDS activists who used to spit out communion and scream hysterically during mass, disrupting services.
She is supported in her view by Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity, two good catholic boys she adores.
I wonder how you say "tin foil hat" in Italian?
La Repubblica and the Guardian are world-renowned newspapers, not tin-foil rags.
The Pope is a top, he does not throw himself on any swords. He is the sword, just ask Georg.
R15 The thought of my mother watching Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity...
I can't even describe...something I've never even imagined...
I guess it is finally going to come out why the Vatican was always listed in Bob Damron's Gay Guide.
This is so ridiculous. Why is the no link to the OP's article stating, "On March 1, after he steps down he will release a 300 page document listing all of the things the Vatican is being blackmailed over." ?
From today's Guardian:
"Vatican dismisses reports linking pope's resignation to gay conclave discovery
The Vatican has attacked reports in the Italian media linking Pope Benedict XVI's resignation to the alleged discovery of a network of gay prelates as attempts to influence the cardinals in their choice of a new pontiff.
The Vatican secretariat of state said in a statement: "It is deplorable that as we draw closer to the time of the beginning of the conclave … that there be a widespread distribution of often unverified, unverifiable or completely false news stories that cause serious damage to persons and institutions."
That Guardian article is 2 years old. It seems unlikely the Pope would resign to keep quiet information which was published two years ago.
But then again, Catholics aren't the smartest people around ... so maybe I'm wrong.
He's old and senile
r16: stagnola cappello
Which also happens to be my drag name!
While it isn't widely known, the Vatican purchased the National Enquirer and is now generating the lead stories for their gossip paper. This keeps the papers expenses down, circulation up while giving the holy boys something to read while on the Vati-can.
"Catholics aren't the smartest people around..."
Yeah, really stupid...makes you wonder how they ever came up with: Georgetown University, Fordham University, Loyola, Notre Dame, University of Portland, Villanova, Boston College... (just to name a few)
You speak as though those correspondence schools are considered reputable, R26.
Virgin birth? Immaculate conception? Transubstantiation? Limbo? The Inquisition? Pagan babies? Indulgences? The persecution of Galileo?
Maybe you're right. It takes a genius to think up shit like that.
Worshiping icons, confessional.....yeah, it's a dumbing effect. Crowd control.
The Guardian article is on the FRONT PAGE of today's Guardian.
R7, I cannot imagine a person who ruined everyone's life with Catholicism NOT watching Bill O'Reilly or Sean Hannity.
They are the Vatican's most vocal defenders. Brainwashed Catholics love them (as well as Wm Donahue), particularly those Catholics who like to ruin other people's lives with their religion. Truth does not matter. Facts do not matter. Only the Vatican matters and anyone who doesn't follow the One True Faith be damned.
R31 My mother = your mother.
De profundi clamavi!
But this thread is useless without pyx.
How do such fundamentalist mothers react to the Pope resigning? (My own mom is into liberation theology, and has always disliked any pope since Vatican II.)
Seriously, even as a former Catholic, I find it very shocking that the Pope resigned, because they are infallible and chosen for life. I am very curious how current Catholic fundamentalists are squaring his resignation - the simple act of his resignation - with Catholic dogma, which the act contradicts.
"He further declared that once resigned, this report, 300 pages, will be released directly to the public on March 1st, revealing every dirty secret, every lie, every blackmail to the world. La Repubblica further continues, that the blackmailing ring involved homosexual members of the clergy."
It needs to be reiterated that OP made this part up.
[quote]He further declared that once resigned, this report, 300 pages, will be released directly to the public on March 1st,
No, it's locked up and will be given to the next pope. OP's story isn't true.
r34, the pope is not infallible.. when he sits on the chair of st. peter and speaks 'ex cathedra,' he does so infallibly. this only happens in the rare cases relating to matters of church doctrine - similar to modifying the US Constitution. the other BS that gets everyone in a lather is mostly rules and regulation....somewhat arbitrary but based on doctrine as convenience allows.
I hope that pig fucking pope dies of aids
R38, I loathe Ratzinger and disdain the corrupt institutions of Christianity, but you're so far out of line that you need to shut the fuck up and drop out of sight until you get yourself together again. Lunatic.
R15, maybe you can help your mother get to heaven sooner rather than later. Think of how much happier she'll be!
The penis mightier than the sword.
The pope has been the pope for a long time. Ratzinger was no spring chicken when he became pope and he had a long history in the public eye before that. Are we to believe there was all this abuse, scandal or whatever all this time and no one has reported it or leaked it. Not believable.
He's probably really senile or slipping too quickly into Alzheimer's.
We all rag on this pope a lot - deservedly so - so why can't anyone believe that he's just selfish and doesn't want the burden anymore. He wants to enjoy what's left of his life in a carefree and more than comfortable surroundings. And that is more important than his obligation as pope.
Thank you for the word popeometer. :)
Where in OP's link does it mention blackmail?
You don't get it, R42. Popes do not retire. This is beyond exceptional.
Oh! But the Pope's caftans are to die for!
The Vatican has accused the Italian media of publishing a series of sensationalist stories designed to influence the conclave. I think they're right, where were these articles a couple of weeks ago?
The UK's top cardinal and homophobe, Keith O'Brien, has been accused of inappropiate behaviour.
[R47 - do you think that just because this information is coming out that it never occurred? Your reasoning flummoxes me. Of course there will be politicking and this is when the dirty laundry - often very true - comes out. The Church is a scandal.]
I thought this expression was about taking responsibility for one's actions regardless of the consequences. That isn't what The Poop is doing. He's doing the complete opposite of that.
Some sources try to make the Pope's action look honorable when all in all it's just a cunty Sarah Palin move.
That evil bastard has not one honorable bone in his body.
[quote] You don't get it, [R42]. Popes do not retire. This is beyond exceptional.
I get it. What makes you think I DON'T get it? I went to Catholic schools for 14 yeras. I know all about the Church.
What I am saying is that the fact that he is "resigning" may be more affirmation that he is a creep. BECAUSE . . . wait for it . . . POPES DO NOT RETIRE.
And it's not as if they don't retire because they have to wait for a pension - they don't retire because they accept that it is a lifelong responsibility - not just a job.
Personally it makes sense to me that in a modern church with the kind of travel and other demands that are required, that stepping down could be looked at as the honorable and practical thing to do and IS in the best interest of the Church but I don't feel like giving Ratzinger that kind of credit.
You know, it's so typical. The Pope and religions in general lecture us common folk to not be selfish, greedy, mean, backstabbing, etc. and yet the shady Pope living in wealth and power can 'quit this bitch'.
And equally juicy - nearly all British media here in London has been carrying this story since late last night -
Our senior Cardinal, the one who would take part in the choosing of the next Pope, a major marriage equality opponent and bumbler, only one month away from retirement, has been accused of beeing a pushy priest molester! Classic!
Guardian link below:
I think there might be a big scandal, but they will do their best to cover up and deny. His stepping down might be just in case it can't all be covered up.
I suspect that the Roman Catholic church is panicking - their regular "blame it on the gays" schtick is not working, yet they are being exposed. Too many American Catholics, for example, have gay people in their families who they refuse to reject, and many practicing American Catholics support same-sex marriage as well.
The Catholic church has lost control of its scapegoating MO and it is panicking. Too many people are well aware that homosexuality does not equal pedophilia, but that oppression, collusion, corruption and cover-ups often do. Benedict resigning and throwing the Church into turmoil may end up being the best thing to happen for Catholic liberalization in decades.
Religions need stupid people they can prey upon and the smart people are cock blocking them by pointing out the hypocrisy of the clerics and the flaws in the concept of religion and blind faith.