Glaring Oscar snubs throughout the history of the Academy (re: losers or lack of nominations)
I've always found it a travesty that "(Theme from) Valley of the Dolls" was not nominated for Best Song.
Apparently, Judy Garland was originally slated to sing the theme, but of course, was later fired from the movie.
I think that Dionne Warwick's version for the film was beautiful and haunting. The song was written by Andre and Dory Previn.
"The Windmills of Your Mind" actually won for that year (1968) and it has, I admit, held up very,very well. A classic,even.
But,still. Not even a nomination?
[quote]I've always found it a travesty that "(Theme from) Valley of the Dolls" was not nominated for Best Song.
You're about to fly right out of here, aren't you?
I'm hoping this is a joke, OP.
Hell, "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang" was nominated that year for Best Song.
If you say something else that's funny, R1, I'll slap you silly.
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No joke, R2.
I WON a Golden Globe, but no Oscar nods?
Tilda Swinton not being nominated for We Need To Talk About Kevin was a disgrace. And Beverly D'Angelo not being nominated for Coal Miner's Daughter.
[quote] And Beverly D'Angelo not being nominated for Coal Miner's Daughter.
You have got to be *shitting* me. She wasn't nominated?!
Hoop Dreams and Crumb both not being nominated for Best Documentary.
"Windmills of Your Mind" is an over-rhymed mess.
Adele's "Skyfall" would have to stand on a ladder to kiss Dionne Warwick's "Theme From the Valley of the Doll's" ass.
Bill Murray for supporting actor for Rushmore.
Queen for the "Flash Gordon" soundtrack and for "Princes of the Universe" and/or "Who Wants To Live Forever" from "Highlander."
Jean-Louis Trintignant, Amour
Douglas Sirk was NEVER nominated for an Academy Award, was he?
I adore Windmills Of Your Mind, I therefore couldn't give a shit about this.
On top of that, the song is in fact pretty shitty and didn't fit the film at all well.
An "Oscar Snub" thread that starts with a scream about the theme from "Valley of the Dolls" either is going to be a classic or an example of the generational divide here at the DL.
Wendy Hiller not getting the Oscar for "Pygmalion" always has fried my cookies. And Edith Evans not winning for "The Whisperers" was an outrage.
[quote]Glaring Oscar snubs throughout the history of the Academy
Mia Farrow...Rosemary's Baby. It's never made sense.
Diane Keaton...Goodbar. She should have been nominated twice or just for Goodbar, not A. Hall.
This thread is crying out for a response from Miss Warwick herself!
Does "(Theme from) Valley of the Dolls" really not have any other name?
Sorry, but every true gay knows that the song from "Valley of the Dolls" that deserved the nomination is "I'll Plant My Own Tree"
[quote]Hoop Dreams and Crumb both not being nominated for Best Documentary.
Tip of the iceberg. The documentary branch of the Academy is famous for missing the boat nearly 100% of the time.
Love that clip, R21. Between that and Hearts, Not Diamonds from The Fan, some filmmakers have a fucked up idea of what a Broadway hit looks like.
Elaine Stritch should have gotten an Oscar nomination for September
Paul Giamatti for "Sideways." He IS the movie.
Hitchcock doesn't have one. Neither does Cary Grant.
Nobody tell R26.
Sophia Loren, A Special Day
I shall put it simply. Because Lupella is waxing my back and if I don't keep an eye on her in my hand mirror, she will "accidentally" take it down to my ribcage. HEY! WATCHIT BITCH!!!
Anyway, I refused to give Jack Valenti a blow job so I didn't get a nomination. I had given him a whopper of a BJ the year before for "Alfie," and I sang it on the show and was all ready for the prize when fucking "Born Free" was announced. Shit. I even pounded Jack with a special Oscar he kept for a peg session, AND I LOST? So I knew his promise meant nothing but a bad taste in my mouth, like fish water and grease.
Andre was so pissed he came over to my place and kicked in the door and in that silly accent of his that makes him sound like castrated bus boy at Mama Leone's demanded I suck up and suck up. Fuck that shit. So I gave HIM a blow job to shut him up.
As punishment Barbara Fat Ass Parkins sang it on the sound track. What a breathy cow.
Is this a dream, bitch? No - it is a fucking nightmare.
But I did make a lot of smokum dough off my cut and I met some nice people. Loved Sharon. I remember that one night I had invited some friends - I think his name was Charlie and he had a way-out crowd - to stop by some dull party I was supposed to be at with her. He said he couldn't make it but would send a representation. I skipped it - I owed him some money and he was a little touchy about that, plus my hash took over and I woke up in the desert.
And Sharon must have gotten mad because I never heard another word from her every again.
And Patty Duck or whatever her name was was so short I had to wear my glasses to see her down there. She was always bragging about her Oscar, and I told her I was going to show her how Jack Valenti stores his if she didn't shut up.
Cary Grant wasn't regarded as a good actor in his day. History has been kind to him.
"I'll Plant My Own Tree" was such remarkable drivel.
This is the recording that was scrapped when Garland was fired:
Michael Fassbender for Shame.
Actually he deserved a nom also for Hunger and Fish Tank.
[quote] Glenn Close losing for Fatal Attraction to Cher.
Holly Hunter swept all four critics awards that year for Broadcast News.
One of the few times a performer sweeps all four awards, and doesn't win the Oscar.
I think "Best Actor, 1970" wins.
The dubbed voice of in the Susan Hayward clip is mediocrity personified and the tape of Judy singing the song is sad as that is Judy in her most diminished state- she was near the very end of her rope and her voice long gone.
R11 You've got splinters in the windmills of type mind.
Whatever one thinks about the Valley of the Dolls theme, it's miles ahead of a lot of the drivel that has won the Best Song Oscar. Frankly, I don't think the theme from SKYFALL is anything much, but there really hasn't been a decent Bond film theme song since "Nobody Does it Better".
Hardly anyone saw THE WHISPERERS, so while Edith Evans was superb in it, the likelihood of her winning was nil. Of course, Katherine Hepburn winning that year for GUESS WHO'S COMING TO DINNER was ludicrous.
Cary Grant was more of a star than a real actor, so while he was very skillful within a fairly narrow range, he was never considered a versatile actor.
Re: Windmills of Your Mind
Once upon a time I went to see a show featuring a duo called Kiki & Herb (with whom some DL'ers may be familiar) - Miss Kiki's rendition of that tune I consider legendary.
r34 Holly went on to win for the Piano, and poor Glenn is still Oscarless and that just does not seem right. Alex Forrest is such an iconic villain and flawless performance that it still bugs me that she didn't win. I think the AFI had her placed close to the top for greatest cinema villains when they did that list. I miss those specials.
R36, the dubbed voice was Margaret Whiting at her most boring.
All of Katharine Hepbarn's Oscars should've been given to someone else, anyone else.
R40 Holly Hunter also swept all four critics awards for the Piano.
R42 go thru all four of Kate wins and tell us who you would have given the Oscar to.
No R41, Margaret Whiting at her most boring is when she married Jack Wrangler...
R45, I think that her decision to marry Jack Wrangler was sort of interesting. Her nights thereafter might have been another story. But their evenings were not; I shared a couple of them (the evenings, not either Margaret or Jack).
What about supporting actress in 2003? In retrospect ANYBODY would have been better or more deserving than Renee Zellweger that year. I know it was her makeup Oscar from the year before but still... BLECH to Cold Mountain.
And also, has nobody mentioned Sandra Bullock's "win"? Dear JESUS I have never been angrier at the Academy.
Oh yeah. Crash over Brokeback.
Oscar 1: There were only two other nominees that year and I haven't seen either of them Katharine can have that one.
Oscar 2: I would've given to Faye Dunaway for "Bonnie and Clyde". Although I wouldn't have been upset if Anne Bancroft won for "The Graduate".
Oscar 3: Barbra for "Funny Girl" alone.
Oscar 4: Meryl for "The French Lieutenant's Woman".
Really, R44 my point is that Katharine is VERY overrated. She's a one note actress.
R47 the same could be said for Dame Judi Dench in Shakespeare in Love.
K. Hepburn deserved her Oscar for MORNING GLORY given the competition, but Edith Evans, Faye Dunaway, or Anne Bancroft were all more deserving in 1967, though Bancroft's role is really more supporting.
I'm not one who's a big fan of Hepburn in LION IN WINTER. She's fine at the beginning but takes the silly script way too seriously in the second half, getting all weepy/tragic. Shakespare it ain't.
I suppose Streisand deserved the Oscar, in spite of her tendency to strike attitudes in the 2nd half dramatic scenes rather than truly act, but if she'd tied with Vanessa Redgrave (ISADORA) or Joanne Woodward (RACHEL, RACHEL) that would have been fine.
As for the atrocious ON GOLDEN POND, Susan Sarandon would have been a better choice for ATLANTIC CITY.
If Hepburn had to tie with someone, it should have been in 1962, where her performance in LONG DAY'S JOURNEY INTO NIGHT would have tied with Anne Bancroft in THE MIRACLE WORKER, career highs for both of them.
Frankly, the rest of Best Actress roster for 1962 was damn fine: Bette Davis for BABY JANE, Geraldine Page for SWEET BIRD OF YOUTH, and Lee Remick for DAYS OF WINE AND ROSES.
R42/48: Greta Garbo was in "Queen Christina" for that period but was not nominated.
Zellwegger gave the kind of actressy performance in COLD MOUNTAIN that's guaranteed to get an Oscar. It was embarrassing, but that whole film is mediocre and all three leads are badly cast.
"An 'Oscar Snub' thread that starts with a scream about the theme from "Valley of the Dolls" either is going to be a classic or an example of the generational divide here at the DL."
Exactly. Of all the Oscar snubs in history, OP picks this one? That song is okay, but nothing remotely special.
"Oscar 4: Meryl for "The French Lieutenant's Woman".
I watched that recently and while Streep is very skillful in the part, she lacks the air of romantic mystery that it really needs (the kind that Vanessa Redgrave could provide easily, though she was, of course, too old to play the part in '81).
In the once scene where Irons character sees her on the jetty in Lyme Regis and she turns to him, she looks like a pale adolescent boy - hardly the thing of romantic obsession.
According to A. Scott Berg (Hepburn biographer) LONG DAY'S JOURNEY INTO NIGHT is her favorite performance.
But she was not at all sorry she lost to Anne Bancroft, because she admired that performance as well.
btw Barbra only won for Funny Girl because she voted for herself. If she was not allowed into the Academy, Hepburn would have won solo.
Angella Basset in .."what's Love Got To Do With It: The Ike and Tina Turner Story"
[quote]Hardly anyone saw THE WHISPERERS, so while Edith Evans was superb in it, the likelihood of her winning was nil. Of course, Katherine Hepburn winning that year for GUESS WHO'S COMING TO DINNER was ludicrous.
That was also the year for Anne Bancroft in The Graduate and Faye Dunaway in Bonnie and Clyde. Not to mention Audrey Hepburn in Wait Until Dark.
Kate's performance was ok, but it was in the worst movie of the bunch
[quote] Angella Basset in .."what's Love Got To Do With It: The Ike and Tina Turner Story" Thread Closed.
The critics felt otherwise as Holly Hunter swept ALL FOUR critics awards that year for The Piano.
R55, how does anyone know that Barbra Streisand, in fact, voted for herself causing the momentous tie? She is a selfless and yes, insecure, performer and my suspicion is that, being a newcomer to the world of Hollywood, may have felt inadequate and voted for Hepburn or any of the other three instead of herself.
R59 she said she voted for herself.
Carole Lombard should have won for "My Man Godfrey" over Luise "Crossword Puzzle Answer" Rainer for her schmaltzy 3-minute phone call in "The Great Zeigfeld."
I believe that the old rules were still in place when Hepburn and Streisand tied (exactly, according to published reports, although this information is sworn to secrecy and few people have access to it), so that if they had come within three votes of each other a tie still would have been declared. In other words, Streisand's vote didn't do the trick, if in fact she voted for herself.
The current Oscar rules do not get into such quibbling, and simply state that if a "tie" occurs both nominees receive the award.
In "Guess," Hepburn played a warm, heterosexual mother who was supposed to still be deeply in love with and having hot sex with Spencer Tracy, so perhaps voters were rewarding the stretch the role was for her.
But it is one of the worst Oscar pity fuck awards.
I hope Emmanuelle Riva takes it Sunday and, less probably, Sally Field. Other than that, I don't have strong feelings--I think my own Oscar mania is lessening the older I get.
And the "Morning Glory" Hepburn Oscar was, I think, expected to to to May Robson, an old trouper, nominated for the Apple Annie role in "Lady for a Day," played in the remake ("Pocketful of Miracles") by Bette Davis. It's a less lumbering version of the Damon Runyon story than the remake, even though both were directed by Capra. (I like some of the actors in the remake, but Capra had lost whatever touch he had by then--was it his final film?). EVen back in the 30s, Oscar seemed to like to reward the young women--Janet Gaynor was in her early 20s as was Hepburn. Pickford got one for one of her worst performances (and one of the worst performances captured on film) because she was....well, Mary Pickford for Chrissakes...and Norma Shearer for being in every film MGM made that year, thanks to Mr. Norma Shearer (though, truth be told, she was a perfectly fine actress when cast and directed well). SOme would say Marie Dressler's "Min and Bill" was simply a sentimental choice, but she was at the top of the box office then and her performances still hold up as wonderful blends of comedy and pathos. Had there been a supporting category, surely her Carlotta would have won in "Dinner at Eight."
[quote] so that if they had come within three votes of each other a tie still would have been declared.
I wonder who got more votes? Hepburn or Streisand.
The big chill was sooooooo much better than terms of endearment, and Glenn should have at least one or two oscars to go with her 6 nominations. And I agree, crash over bbn, ridiculous. Thanks oprah
It was fitting that Glenn presented Deborah Kerr with her honorary Oscar.
Both of them six time Oscar losers
Kander & Ebb's theme from "New York, New York" not being nominated for Best Song, even though it was one of the biggest songs of the year, and was nominated for a Golden Globe;
"The Hours" losing Best Picture to "Chicago" (edit: now that I look at the other nominees--"Gangs of NY", "Lord of the Rings, Two Towers", and "The Pianist", I would honestly put "Chicago" at the bottom of that list).
Julianne Moore losing Best Supporting Actress to Catherine Zeta-Jones;
Renee Zellweger getting the Supporting Actress nominee slot that should've gone to Meryl or even Toni Collette or Allison Janney.
[quote] Renee Zellweger getting the Supporting Actress nominee slot that should've gone to Meryl or even Toni Collette or Allison Janney.
Renee was in the Lead Actress category
Glenn for 102 Dalmatians.
Fuckers overlooked me twice. Once for that shitty little drug film and then for my singing the theme song for "Crack Your Coconuts!" Bastards.
Lois! Another iced Helenesque!
R18- I agree!!! Where the hell is the GOODBAR DVD??! music rights holdup?
I always thought that Juliette Binoche should have the Oscar for The English Patient but the Academy disagreed and gave it to Joan Chen instead. That was a seriously WTF moment.
[quote] Her nights thereafter might have been another story. But their evenings were not; I shared a couple of them (the evenings, not either Margaret or Jack).
R46, please elaborate!
Speaking of WTF, R73... What color is the sky in your universe?
Anne Bancroft should have won for The Graduate instead of that closeted dyke from Connecticut. Talk about an iconic performance.
Bill Murray should have won for Lost In Translation. He IS that movie and I believe Sofia Coppola said that if he wouldn't play the part there was no point in making the movie. She was right and he was funny and touching. A beautiful performance. Instead they gave it to Sean Penn, who was good in Mystic River but nothing special.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say Zellwegger should have won for Bridget Jones' Diary instead of Halle Berry. She fucking nailed that role and its so much harder to be funny than to scream and cry.
[quote]Anne Bancroft should have won for The Graduate instead of that closeted dyke from Connecticut. Talk about an iconic performance.
I agree with every word you've said, except the closeted dyke thing because I know nothing about that.
Goodfellas walking away with one Oscar instead of an across-the-board sweep is the biggest joke in Academy history. It was a series of crap decisions instead of just one. Most movie lovers now consider it one of the greatest American films. So of course the Academy snubbed it.
Think about it: Kevin Costner has a Best Director Oscar. Even the non-Scorsese nominees that year would have been better: Stephen Frears for "The Grifters", Barbet Schroeder for "Reversal of Fortune" or... ok, not Coppola for "Godfather 3", but still.
I assume Cate loosing to GOOP is just taken for granted now and that's why its taken 79 posts for "The Grand Travesty of 1998" to be mentioned.
[quote]Zellwegger gave the kind of actressy performance in COLD MOUNTAIN that's guaranteed to get an Oscar. It was embarrassing, but that whole film is mediocre and all three leads are badly cast.
Did anyone else just feel a chill go up their spine?
[quote]Goodfellas. Most movie lovers now consider it one of the greatest American films.
Most people THEN also considered it one of the greatest American films. It was heralded as a masterpiece from day one which made and still makes Dances with Wolves win so frustrating.
River Phoenix for My Own Private Idaho.
Not a single nomination in any category for the "Kill Bill" films.
Personally I think too many Oscars are given to actors and actresses who imitate a real-life person. It seems like it would be much harder to bring life to a totally fictional character. But that's just me.
R55, if she hasn't won for Funny Girl - and with only one vote between them there was really nothing to it - she would've won for The Way We Were or something else. Barbra was big box office. She would've eventually won an Oscar.
Ellen Burstyn should have won for "Requiem for a Dream."
Gillian Anderson deserved a best actress nomination for "The House of Mirth."
Brokeback Mountain over Crash.
Emily Watson should have won for "Breaking the Waves."
Chloe Webb in Sid and Nancy.
Judy Garland being robbed for "A Star is Born" never stops pissing me off. It's a perfect 1950's lavish musical/melodrama. I still love watching it. If Judy was a bit cagier, she would have ALSO starred in "The Country Girl" with her dear friend Bing over at Paramount. What would it have taken? Five weeks of filming? Plus, Judy was perfect to play Georgie. She would have been sensational.
The old Hollywood columnist Jim Bacon always swore that he was the cause of the tie between Babs and Kate. His story was that he was visiting Gene Autry, who had to complete his ballot. Autry said the only movie he had seen that year was "Oliver," which he voted for Best Picture, and then asked Bacon to fill out the rest of the ballot. Bacon voted for Babs, claiming to have caused the tie. The story may not be true, but who knows?
On the more general topic here, there have been a lot of crazy votes over the years. Often they have come for sentimental reasons, giving the award to someone who should have won earlier like Pacino. Other times, they were close calls and we can't know how close the votes actually were. I actually thought "Crash" was a good film, but "Broke Back Mountain" was a great film and should have won. I imagine BBM lost by a very few votes.
Garland should have won for "A Star Is Born" over Kelley for "The Country Girl." Jimmy Stewart should have won over Robert Donat in 1939, Henry Fonda should have won over Stewart in 1940, Cary Grant should have won over Gary Cooper in 1941, and either Cooper or Bogart should have won over Paul Lukas in 1943.
Because of a screw up at 20th Century Fox, Roddy McDowell didn't get nominated for Best Supporting Actor in Cleopatra.
IMHO, K. Hepburn isn't a one note actress, she is a no note actress
After Frederic March and Wallace Beery tied, (actually March finished one vote ahead of Beery) the Academy declared that from that time onward, there would have to be an exact tie to be the winners.
A columnist, James Bacon wrote a book about his hollywood experiences. He wrote that he was given a ballot by an academy member who didn't want to bother voting. He mulled over the nominees; and, as an afterthought, he checked Barbra's name, then mailed it.
Barbra Streisand was a newcomer. Normally, a newcomer has to be sponsored and the process takes time. Yet, she was granted a vote.
It was Katharine Hepburn who didn't normally vote for herself if she voted at all.
That was the year Mia Farrow was snubbed for "Rosemary's Baby". Also, Julie Andrews, for "Star", which flopped at the boxoffice mainly because the public wouldn't accept her in an edgy role.
And Beryl Reid wasn't nominated for "The Killing of Sister George".
Julianne Moore should have been nominated for "Savage Grace".
The scene in the airport where she turns and walks away upon discovering that her husband is going off with his much-younger mistress was brilliant. She doesn't speak a word, but convincingly transforms her facial expression and body language from maintaining her dignity to almost falling apart within about four seconds. And if I remember correctly, she doesn't even shed one tear until the cut to her character's getting into a taxi. It was stunning.
Re: the loss of "Brokeback Mountain". Jay Leno was reported to have made fun of it for at least half of that December it opened.
Many voters are retired and probably had had leisure time to watch Leno
If I remember correctly, it was also reported that "Brokeback Mountain" won over 90 Best Picture awards, here in the "red" states, as well as the "blue" states. Than number also includes the awards won overseas.
At the time of Barbra Streisand's nomination, there was a newspaper published in the heart of hollywood, "The Hollywood Citizen-News". It was chock full of hollywood items. There were several columnists writing for the paper, including veteran, Sydney Skolsky. Skolsky had a column of readers voicing their opinions. He was also a buff from decades back. He even claimed to be the one who dubbed the statuette.
Skolsky promoted newcomer Barbra Streisand, from day one. Pro-BS letters were published especially during the nominating period.
He had a long history of promoting a favorite, for the oscar. He also had a history of choosing someone who was up against a Catholic role. Indeed, Simone Signoret gave him public credit for her win, for "Room at the Top". (Audrey Hepburn was the frontrunner for "The Nun's Story"). He also pushed for Julie Christie, for "Darling", after it looked like Julie Andrews might win for "The Sound of Music". He wasn't always successful, however. He tried to get the oscar for Richard Burton, (for "Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?", over Paul Scofield, for "A Man for All Seasons".)
The tie was the time that Joanne Woodward was the one to beat, for "Rachel, Rachel", but she complained about her husband, Paul Newman, not getting a nomination for that film. That complaint was played up in the hollywood press. And, a letter I posted to Mr. Skolsky regarding that, was turned into a pro Streisand missive, which wasn't what I had written. My protest went unpublished.
Robert Donat totally deserved his 1939 Oscar for "Goodbye, Mr. Chips"...but James Stewart should've won in 1946 for "It's a Wonderful Life" rather than Fredric March in "The Best Years of Our Lives" (March is terrific, but Stewart is iconic).
Since the thread started with Best Original Song as its topic, the 1977 Best Original Song category has always astonished me: not a single one of the iconic songs from "Saturday Night Fever" were nominated -- "How Deep is Your Love," "Night Fever," "Staying Alive," "If I Can't Have You" and "More Than a Woman" were all eligible. And then, when they have nominated one of the greatest Bond songs of all time -- "Nobody Does It Better" from "The Spy Who Loved Me" -- they turn around and give it to the godawful "You Light Up My Life." Gag.
Both "The Color Purple" and "Brokeback Mountain" were robbed of best-picture wins.
I totally agree, R95 .
Here we go again but the song remains the same:
Courtney Love for "The People vs. Larry Flint". Then, now, forever.
Ramon Novarro in "The Student Prince in Old Heidelberg" (1927).
Edward G. Robinson in "Little Caesar" (1930).
Peter Lorre in "M" (1931) and "Mad Love" (1935).
Boris Karloff in "Frankenstein" (1931) and "The Body Snatcher" (1945).
Joan Crawford in "Rain" or "Grand Hotel" (both 1932).
Marlene Dietrich in "Shanghai Express" (1932) and "Destry Rides Again" (1940).
Greta Garbo in "Queen Christina" (1933).
Jean Harlow in "Red Dust" (1933) and "Libeled Lady" (1936).
Leslie Howard in "The Scarlet Pimpernel" (1935).
Jean Arthur in "Mr. Deeds Goes to Town" (1936) and "Easy Living" (1937).
Joseph Cotten in "Shadow of a Doubt" (1943).
Dana Andrews in "Laura" (1944) and "Daisy Kenyon" (1947); and Ruth Warrick for Supporting Actress in "Daisy Kenyon."
Jennifer Jones in "Ruby Gentry" (1952).
Doris Day in "Calamity Jane" (1953).
Robert Mitchum in "Night of the Hunter" (1955).
Marilyn Monroe in "Gentlemen Prefer Blondes" (1953) and "Some Like it Hot" (1959).
Clark Gable in "The Misfits" (1962).
Tired, gotta go to bed
[quote]IMHO, K. Hepburn isn't a one note actress, she is a no note actress
Dorothy Parker, we thought you were dead.
More re: Brokeback's loss.
Best Picture is the only category voted on by the entire Academy membership. Despite the rave reviews and good box office, many of the Academy voters were "of an earlier generation" and they publicly stated they either hadn't or wouldn't see the film, or more pointedly wouldn't vote for that "faggot cowboy movie."
Does no one remember the backlash when Academy voters Ernest Borgnine and Tony Curtis both said publicly that they wouldn't vote for Brokeback because "the Best Picture shouldn't be a fag film"? The overt homophobia amongst the older Academy members was rampant and appalling. For these 'phobes, Crash was the "safer" choice. So I think the voting for Best Picture that year was not nearly as close as we would wish to believe.
(The homophobic cracks were especially distressing coming from Curtis, who of course had his biggest hit as a drag queen in "Some Like It Hot")
[quote]Best Picture is the only category voted on by the entire Academy membership. Despite the rave reviews and good box office, many of the Academy voters were "of an earlier generation" and they publicly stated they either hadn't or wouldn't see the film, or more pointedly wouldn't vote for that "faggot cowboy movie."
Best Picture is the only category where the entire body [bold]nominates[/bold] films for the award. Each branch, acting, directing, music, editing, etc., nominates people within their specific category, e.g. actors nominate actors for the four awards in the acting categories. The entire body votes in all the categories once the nominees have been announced.
Live To Tell
This Used To Be My Playground
I think also as overrated as the film is, Jack Nicholson deserved a nomination for 'The Shining'.
The 2007/8 actor is a bombsite (you can also say this for 04). Only two were deserving - Viggo and DDL.
Yet they're happy to nominate Depp on autopilot again, cuntface Clooney and TLJ in that shitfest while it was a great year for male performances, not reflected here.
They really have it against young actors in that category who must need to prove themselves, while a 12 year old can get in actress.
More worthy performances included:
Sam Riley in Control
James McAvoy in Atonement
Ryan Gosling in Lars and the Real Girl
Emile Hirsch in Into the Wild
Judy Garland should have won for "Judgement @ Nurembour"
Clark Gable deserved it for "Gone With the Wind"
Richard Burton never won an Oscar
Richard Gere has never been nominated
... and the biggest snub EVER: Bjork in "Dancing in the Dark" ... I'm pretty sure Julie Roberts won for that fucking pointless movie in which she did nothing more than shake her tits - fucking please.
r54, the scene you mention is iconic. The pale look is perfect for the character, as she's meant to be a pale English rose, not some luscious, overtly sexy woman.
She's supposed to be attractive to a man from the 19th century, within the confines of what was desirable to English men of social standing at the time.
Meryl is beguiling in this film, and especially in this particular scene, which comes up every time there is a Meryl retrospective somewhere.
Her being positioned at the very end of the jetty, clad in that massive, overflowing cape, with the waves crashing dramatically against the jetty is the very definition of a romantic image.
Meryl Streep in 'The Hours'
Meryl Streep in 'Marvin's Room'
Meryl Streep in 'Death Becomes Her'
Meryl Streep in 'Dancing at Lughnasa'
Meryl Streep in 'House of the Spirits'
Meryl Streep in 'A Prairie Home Companion'
All of them strong enough to beat whatever competition she had in those respective years.
Naomi Watts in 'Mulholland Drive' (nobody has mentioned this yet! Biggest snub EVAH)
Isabelle Huppert 'The Piano Teacher'
Virna Lisi & Isabelle Adjani 'Queen Margot'
JLT 'Amour', obviously. Also for 'Z' and a couple of others.
Sigourney Weaver 'The Ice Storm'
Jeff Daniels & Mia Farrow 'Purple Rose of Cairo'
Kirsten Dunst 'Melancholia' (the very bland and overrated Michelle Williams took her nomination)
Bette Davis 'Of Human Bondage' (the perennial classic)
Kristin Scott-Thomas 'Il y a longtemps que je t'aime'
Bjork 'Dancer in the Dark'
Cher 'Mask' (another classic snub)
Bibi Andersson 'Persona'
Victor Sjostrom 'Wild Strawberries'
The Best Picture winner for 1941 was How Green Was My Valley, the saga of a Welsh coal-mining family in the early 20th century.
You're forgiven for never having seen or heard of this "classic," since its fellow nominees very quickly eclipsed it: The Maltese Falcon, The Little Foxes, Sergeant York, and oh yes...a little thing called Citizen Kane.
Kim Basinger winning an Oscar for LA Confidential instead of Julianne Moore for Boogie Nights
Charlotte Rampling and Jennifer Jason Leigh
Good calls at R110 - Charlotte Rampling was quietly devastating in Under the Sand, while Jennifer Jason Leigh was brilliant in Last Exit to Brooklyn, Georgia, Mrs. Parker and the Vicious Circle... hard to believe neither actress has even been nominated for an Oscar.
Best Actress, Cillian Murphy for Breakfast on Pluto.
R74 -- nothing really worth elaborating, but I don't want to seem coy. Jack Wrangler & Margaret Whiting and I had mutual friends, and spent a few evenings in each other's company. We'd say hi in the street, on those occasions we ran into each other. He always seemed a little disappointed that I didn't bring up his porn career, which was part of the reason that I didn't.
[quote]Judy Garland should have won for "Judgement @ Nurembour"
That's three times she should have won and didn't -- "Judgement @ Nurembour," "Judgment at Nuremberg" and "A Star is Born." Four, if one counts the lovely idea of her having been cast in "The Country Girl."
R58, so what? The critics (and the Academy) always reward people many of us don't think are deserving. That's what this thread is all about.
Holly Hunter was fantastic in "The Piano" but she was no better than Angela Bassett in "What's Love Got to Do with It" and all of the awards that season, including the Oscar, could've just as easily swung Bassett's way and it would've been completely justified as BOTH women gave equally great performances in vastly different films. (The long-held notion that Hunter's was superior to every other actress that year based simply on the fact she didn't speak is ridiculous.) And with regard to Bassett, do you really think, had the roles been reversed and Hunter gave the kind of fiery performance as say Janis Joplin that Bassett gave as Turner, that all the awards committees would've deemed Bassett as automatically deserving just for stomping her feet for two hours in New Zealand? Somehow I doubt it.
Only 20% of Hunter's Oscar for "The Piano" was for her performance; the other 80% was a make-good for "Broadcast News," for which many felt she should have won years before, a la Winslet for "The Reader," Zellweger for "Cold Mountain," and, quite possibly, Lawrence this year for "Silver Linings Playbook."
This kind of discussion is why I always think back to what Henry Fonda once said about how silly these awards are, because it pits actors against one another for such entirely different roles and then voters are forced to pull one out of the pack and say "this person was the best." Yes, it's all for fun but really just so ridiculous in the end.
R114 Critics don't give out awards to 'make-up' for a snub.
The Academy does.
With the exception of the Golden Globe, Angela Bassett Won ZERO critics awards for her performance. It was great, but Holly Hunter was better. And it was Holly who swept all the pre-oscar awards, including the main 4 critics awards.
Out of the thousands of movie critics out there, do you think they collude together vote or push for a particular person?
There are tons of actors who have won these critics awards, yet failed to even be nominated for the Oscar.
Case in point Steve Martin for Roxanne. He won two out of the four major critics awards. Yet he wasn't even nominated for the Oscar!
[quote]Ellen Burstyn should have won for "Requiem for a Dream."
And she would have had she been in the Supporting category where she belonged. Blame the studio.
Not one single nomination for Parker Posey.
She should have been nominated for "House of Yes" or "Broken English".
Parker Posey? She's an over acting loon.
R116, Ellen Burstyn was not the Supporting Actress, Jennifer Connolly was. She was snubbed and they later made good with the win for A Beautiful Mind.
Burstyn was lead. She carried her own story.
Donald Sutherland in Ordinary People.
Nominees in the year Valley of the Dolls wasn't:
"Chitty Chitty Bang Bang" from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang -- Music and Lyrics by Richard M. Sherman and Robert B. Sherman
"For Love Of Ivy" from For Love of Ivy -- Music by Quincy Jones; Lyrics by Bob Russell
"Funny Girl" from Funny Girl -- Music by Jule Styne; Lyrics by Bob Merrill
"Star!" from Star! -- Music by Jimmy Van Heusen; Lyrics by Sammy Cahn
* "The Windmills Of Your Mind" from The Thomas Crown Affair -- Music by Michel Legrand; Lyrics by Alan Bergman and Marilyn Bergman
Richard Gere this year.
Eddie Murphy should've won for "Dreamgirls."
Carmen Ejogo deserved a Supporting Actress nod for "Sparkle" and Kimberly Elise for "For Colored Girls."
The little kid in The Sixth Sense.
Richard Gere in Chicago.
I say this every year, but Debbi Morgan didn't even get nominated for Eve's Bayou.
Agree on Crash winning over BBM and GA not getting a nom for House of Mirth.
Christian Bale for "Empire of the Sun"
Al Pacino should have won Best Actor for The Godfather II over Art Carney for Harry and Tonto. It took years for Pacino to win his make-up Oscar, for the dreadful Scent of a Woman.
Jane Fonda's typical wooden performance won her an Oscar for Coming Home, when it should have gone to Jill Clayburgh for An Unmarried Woman.
You are stop on, R128. Clayburgh gave such a great performance.
Sorry, "spoT on".
I remember at the time, I could not believe that Clayburgh let them film her wilted tits, I almost felt sorry for her.
Her breasts were perky and beautiful, R131.
Ugh, the distorted perceptions of physical beauty here on DL never cease to amaze me.
Ingrid Bergman should have won in 1978 for Autumn Sonata. If she hadn't won that award in 1974 (that even Bergman herself said should go to someone else) she might have. Coming Home is Fonda's most overrated performance. Jane keeps peeking through her character all the time. "Look how tortured I am!"
How does it take only one vote to create a tie in your universe?
And who believes Hepburn when she claimed she didn't vote for herself?
Hepburn had two Oscars by that point. Considering what she felt about the whole thing, it's not at all unlikely that she didn't vote for herself.
We've talked about this here before, but Barbara Stanwyck not winning an Oscar was one of the biggest failings of the Academy. I think it was because 1) She was never tied to a long-term studio contract and 2) The roles she was nominated for were not always sympathetic.
Angela Bassett not winning for What's Love Got to Do With It? was another offense. She also should have been nominated for Waiting to Exhale, although the film itself was not so great. She and Loretta Devine made it better than it was.
Here's a list of dozens and dozens of actors never nominated for an Oscar. A lot of greats.
Eddie Murphy should NOT have won for Dreamgirls. He played a coked up version of himself, no acting there.
Beatrice Straight winning for 9 minutes in "Network" instead of Jodie Foster carrying 1/2 the whole fucking film of "Taxi Driver."
Russell Crowe losing to Denzel Washington.
George Burns winning.
John Wayne beating out Dustin Hoffman and Jon Voight.
Lauren Bacall losing to Juliette Binoche (there IS something for nostalgia, now and again.)
"Star Wars" losing to "Annie Hall."
Big Time Oscar viewer
Juliette Binoche was infintely better than Lauren Bacall. Glad she won.
Binoche is an actress. LB is not.
Joan Allen, The Upside of Anger
Jack Lemmon, Glengarry Glen Ross
Norma Aleandro, The Official Story
Isabelle Huppert, too many movies to name
Jean-Louis Trintigant, too many movies to name including Amour
Gena Rowlands, Opening Night
Gary Oldman, The Contender
Judi Dench, Skyfall
Harry Dean Stanton not being nominated for "Paris, Texas"
[quote]Burstyn was lead. She carried her own story
But the studio would have been smarter to put her in supporting since the role was kind of borderline. She'd have won.
[quote]Holly Hunter swept all four critics awards that year for Broadcast News
She just got three out of 4 and LA was a tie with Sally Kirkland.
Getting back to Barbra, why the hell shouldn't she have voted for herself?
Norma Shearer should have won for "Marie Antionette", not "The Divorcee"
I just watched "Life Of Pi" and it's a shame the main kid wasn't nominated. 11 nominations, a huge hit and he's on screen for 75% of the movie.
[R137] Some of that list are still young and will surely get nominations in the future. Though some absurd additions like Paul Rudd (as much as I like him) and Hugh Grant.
I agree with a previous post that said Christoph Waltz was hardly a supporting actor in Django Unchained. He was a lead.
[quote] Burstyn was lead. She carried her own story.
No she wasn't. It was an ensemble piece. The independent studio put her in the lead because they had a big Oscar winning actress and that killed her chance. All four actors, Burstyn, Leto, Connelly & Wayans all had their own story too and they are all supporting. Supporting isn't just the lead's best friend.
[quote]Eddie Murphy should NOT have won for Dreamgirls. He played a coked up version of himself, no acting there.
Horseshit. Stop bringing YOUR prejudice against Murphy. He was great and his musical scenes were terrific. Alan Arkin did absolutely nothing special in
'Little Miss Sunshine". Classic unofficial Lifetime Achievement Award on his third nomination.
[quote]Beatrice Straight winning for 9 minutes in "Network" instead of Jodie Foster carrying 1/2 the whole fucking film of "Taxi Driver."
Piper Laurie from "Carrie" was also in that category.
R143 but I thought Marcia Gay Harden who was presumably an outsider shock was off the wall amazing, right away you could see why she'd won so I'm glad La Burstyn wasn't placed here. It's one of the best supporting performances I've ever seen, though again another borderline with lots of screen time, it's a tricky thing.
I totally agree, R150. She gave a great performance.
I actually attended a talk that she gave a few years later at the Provincetown film festival and she could not have been more different from her performance(s). She absolutely immerses herself in her roles.
[quote] She just got three out of 4 and LA was a tie with Sally Kirkland.
A win is still a win.
[quote] Stop bringing YOUR prejudice against Murphy. He was great and his musical scenes were terrific
The critics disagreed, shutting him out at year end film awards
NY Film Critics - Little Children: Jackie Earle Haley
National Scoiety Film Critics - The Departed: Mark Wahlberg
National Board - Blood Diamond: Djimon Hounsou
LA Film Critics - The Queen: Michael Sheen
Eddie Murphy was Eddie Murphy. And Arkin got RAVES when LMS premiered. Maybe some voted for him as a career achievement award but the Oscar buzz started months earlier with all his critical accolades. And those reviewers had no reason to push him considering LMS was a nothing movie at the time that wasn't expected to make any money, much less figure in at awards time.
"The critics disagreed, shutting him out at year end film awards
NY Film Critics - Little Children: Jackie Earle Haley
National Scoiety Film Critics - The Departed: Mark Wahlberg
National Board - Blood Diamond: Djimon Hounsou
LA Film Critics - The Queen: Michael Sheen"
Preferring someone else doesn't mean the critics didn''t think Murphy was great. And your example proves the point. Any one of these four could have been shut out of all the races instead of each winning one, but even if that had happened, their performances and the critical consensus would have still been positive.
I happen to think many actors gave great performances this year but if I had to choose one in each category, then many of them wouldn't make the cut.
For instance, the fact that I think Daniel Day-Lewis gave the most impressive acting performance this year by a man in a leading role, doesn't mean that I don't think Jean-Louis Trintignant and Bradley Cooper were great. They were.
Alan arkin career achievement for what? Never heard of him before LMS.
[quote]The critics disagreed, shutting him out at year end film awards
And critics don't vote for the Oscars. Just ask Marcia Gay Hardin
[quote] And critics don't vote for the Oscars.
But they can sway and influence voting
r156, then you must not watch many movies. Alan Arkin was a major star in the mid to late 1960s, earning 2 Academy Award nominations as Best Actor, for "The Russians Are Coming The Russians Are Coming" (1966, one of the highest grossing films of that year) and "The Heart is a Lonely Hunter" (1968); other big hits of the era were "Wait Until Dark" (1967), "Catch-22" (1970), "Last of the Red Hot Lovers" (1972), "Freebie and the Bean" (1974) and "The In-Laws" (1979). He moved into supporting character roles in the 1980s.
[quote]Al Pacino should have won Best Actor for The Godfather II over Art Carney for Harry and Tonto. It took years for Pacino to win his make-up Oscar, for the dreadful Scent of a Woman.
That was quite the Best Actor race that year; besides Pacino, the other nominees were Dustin Hoffman, for "Lenny", and Jack Nicholson for "Chinatown". I feel, though, that Carney at least deserved to be nominated; the fifth nominee was Albert Finney, for his hammy performance in "Murder on the Orient Express". That nomination should have gone to Gene Hackman for "The Conversation".
Marilyn Monroe - Bus Stop
Grace over Judy
Citizen Kane & Hitchcock director
The new Gary Oldmans are Richard Gere, Jennifer Jason Leigh and surely the worst ever Mia Farrow (retired presumably).
This year there was nothing major in lead actress so Hushpuppy can stay. I'm imagining Ann Dowd should have been in for supporting - they should have waited for Amy Adams, she never made a dent in two man show The Master.
Actor though is a different story. Les Miz is the only one I haven't seen, but I'm guessing Jackman shouldn't be there and his good Oscar hosting helped. Kick him out and let the overdue Gere in. Cooper, why not if JLaw is there. Washington could have been skipped. But John Hawke was a massive snub here especially considering Hunt made it. I thought in the beginning he would actually win it, he was in the top 3 along with DDL and Phoenix.
Patty Duke in a movie called Me, Natalie from 1969. She won the Golden Globes that year for Best Actress, so a nomination should have been...
^ That should be Some Like It Hot
(R-100) I remember. If I'm correct, Jodie Foster joined them. It stumped me that Curtis would criticize when he was obviously a very [childish epithet posted by a bigoted tool] actor in real life. And he made headlines when he declared that "kissing Marily Monroe was like kissing Hitler!" That prompted a reply from broadway producer, David Merrick, saying that "the best performance Tony Curtis ever gave was that of a woman, in 'Some Like it Hot'!"
And, when the late San Francisco Chronicle columnist, Herb Caen, wrote an item, in the '90s, that Tony Curtis was chased out of the Castro district, after hours, by some gay men.
Also, Ernest Borgnine should have realized that he couldn't have had the career he enjoyed without gay/bi input.
[quote]"The Windmills of Your Mind" actually won for that year (1968) and it has, I admit, held up very,very well. A classic,even.
Isn't it just. Dusty's version is really nice, but the Noel Harrison original has an extra haunting quality.
I must check a list of the old winners. I always thought "best song" was just a filler category and they used the performances to entertain the people in the live audience, but some years have real classics. Most since the 90s have been bad and it's a real mess of a category with crap by Randy Newman winning every year and 3 songs from the same Disney cartoon.
The Adull song was by far the most memorable, I forgot that Norah Jones song as soon as I heard it. I liked how they centered a music theme around Marvin Hamlisch, wonder if they'll use themes like this for future shows.
R162, I thought Patty won an Emmy for that performance. Wasn't it a tv movie?
Before my day: Grace over Judy and, way way before my day, Luise over Greta in Camille in 1937.
During my day: Gwyneth over Blanchett because, for no other reason, than I hated Gwyneth's "I have no tits" dress and her pinched back hair.
r166 no Me, Natalie was a feature film. You might be thinking of "My Sweet Charlie". "Charlie" was one the first TV movies and it was for that she won her first Emmy. As a fun fact, "Charlie" was so successful that the producers did put it in the movies houses for a short run.