- Not enough Joan Collins!
- Not enough shirtless Maxwell Caufield!
- I've never seen it but have seen the crossovers and it just looked like Dynasty warmed over.
They should have just made a show about Alexis, Caress and Sable.
- [quote] marquis actors
I am not aware of any members of the nobility in the cast.
- R3 hit the nail on the head. Jeff and Fallon were boring characters to spin off as well.
- Emma Samms as Fallon was the downfall. They built a whole spinoff around a bad casting replacement. Suddenly Fallon is brittish??
- I think if it had premiered when Dynasty was red-hot, it would have done better.
The Colbys debuted six months after Dynasty's Moldavian massacre, which was a true jump-the-shark moment and took a lot of the luster off the show for the fans.
Had Pamela Sue Martin still been Fallon, it might have been more interesting, but Emma Samms and John James were perfectly bland and the other young people in The Colbys cast weren't any more interesting.
- All recycled plots from Dynasty
Stephanie Beechman was the best thing about that show.
Emma Saams was miscast.
Genie Francis would have made a better Fallon recast
- It was too much like Dynasty, oddly enough. The plots were the same and the house looked the same and the look was the same--it just seemed like Dynasty Lite. They needed to make it different--take advantage of the California setting.
One reason why Knots Landing succeeded was that it didn't too much like Dallas, from which it was a spinoff.
- Stephanie Beacham was EXCELLENT as was Barbara Stanwyck.
However I couldn't stand Charlton Heston. Charlton Heston's smugness ruined what was otherwise a great show.
- R9 Funny thing Knots Landing was supposedly pitched before Dallas! So it was markedly different in tone and was in some weird sense the original show.
The Colbys? At that point,Dynasty was making fun of itself it didn't need a tepid remake. PSA was Fallon. I like Emma Samms as Holly BUT not as Fallon. Her American accent was blah to say the least. Chuckie Heston, Stephanie B and Barbara Stanwyck were OK BUT Chuck seemed like he was playing Taylor from POTA or Omega Man half the time!
- Stephanie Beacham was the best thing about The Colbys -- by a mile.
- I love Stephanie Beacham's voice. I could listen to it all day, it's like velvet.
- And to think, Alexis never thought to say when she married Cecil, "Isn't it funny how my first cousin Sable is also married to a Colby!"
- Watching the two-parter where the Colby's are finally all introduced is hilarity in bad exposition. There are more lines of the characters introducing themselves to the viewers with "little brother" and Alexis' phone call to Sable where Sable says, "Well, you know we are first cousins on your mother's side" as though Alexis had forgotten.
And Ken Howard (and his dull character) with the thankless line, "I'm just the family lawyer, I feel a little left out here."
- Prior to that there was no connection between Alexis and the Colby clan (other than marrying Cecil)
But when they made Alexis and Sable cousins, that meant Fallon and Jeff were cousins. Who married one another!
Katharine Ross was also miscast as a Krystle type heroine (who was sisters with Sable).
- "I don't know what to do, Sis! What? I've never called you "Sis" before? You're right! It is oddly clunky and expositional. I mean, I know you're my sister, so who am I saying it for?"
Francine, "American Dad"
- The Colby's failed because by the time it premiered in the fall of 1985, the big primetime soap opera boom of the late 70s/ early 80s was coming to an end
- Remember the ratings disaster of "Fresno" the following season? It was probably on a season too late.
- Wasn't my fault.
MISS Barbara Stanwyck
- Barbara Stanwyck's major complaint was she had no storyline.
And when she did have screen time, she was replaying the same scene over and over again.
- [quote]But when they made Alexis and Sable cousins, that meant Fallon and Jeff were cousins. Who married one another!
Sable was not Jeff's mother: she was his aunt. (Alexis was also his step-aunt.)
- John James and his acting eyebrows...
- Judging from her appearances on "Dynasty" in the run-up to the new show, Stanwyck seemed like she was gasping for oxygen every time she had a line.
She seemed winded just opening the doors of the mansion.
- For a weekly soap it was dreadful amateur theatre. The concept and the story plots felt stale.
And it was around that time where family variety entertainment started to die off and shows became more demographic centric.
- Was Fallon's UFO abduction a big FU to the network for cancellation? Or did they really intend to follow that up?
And how was her abduction explained? "Dynasty" had this annoying habit of not always following stories through. Dr. Nick Toscani- rides away on his horse, never pays for his crime. Joel Abrigore? Vanishes and never seen again.
- Heard John James gained 50 lbs. - he lives in seclusion, in Vermont, or Maine, with his family. My only question - did he marry well ? The guy seems to have a nice country squire life- even though he hasn't worked in 25 years. Anyone know the story ?
- John James daughter was just on America's Next Top Model the college years - she might have won I am not sure Tyra Banks makes me vomit. John and his wife appeared a few times.
- Tracy Scoggins. Scoggins. Scoggins. Scoggins. Scoggins. Scoggins. Scoggins. Scoggins. Scoggins. Scoggins. Scoggins.
- [quote] Sable was not Jeff's mother: she was his aunt. (Alexis was also his step-aunt.)
Jeff Mother was Francesca. She is cousins with Alexis.
Francesca and Sable are sisters, their cousins with Alexis.
Which makes Jeff and Fallon cousins.
- John James played a serial killer on As The World Turns after Dynasty
- The Colby-Carrington family tree was just one big incestuous mess.
In The Colbys pilot episode Bliss said something along the lines of: "I always had a crush on you, Jeff" by the pool.
- Emma Samms was terrible as Fallon. Charleston Heston couldn't hold a candle to John Forsyth.
- Charlton Heston = Blake
Stephanie Beecham = Alexis
Katharine Ross = Krystle
Maxwell Caulfield = Adam
Tracy Scoggins = Fallon
- Not to defend Heston since he was a major asshole but John Forsythe was painful to watch on Dynasty. He would deliver his lines in the hammiest possible way and basically had two facial expressions: angry and happy.
- R35 George Preppard originated the role of Blake, but was let go due to 'creative' differences.
- The Colbys left us with a wonderful legacy, though: the hilarious Alexis/Sable scenes from season 9 of Dynasty.
- I have forgotten more about this show than I remember, but I'm pretty sure Stephanie Beechum and MISS Stanwyck were the only good things about it. Well, Caulfield was good eye candy, and Tracy Scoggins wasn't too bad. Didn't she and Beecham move on to Dynasty when The Colby's tanked?
Emma Samms should have never been cast as Fallon, much less given a spin-off. Never cared for John James, either. Did they ever explain why Sable and Francesca had different accents?
- Stephanie Beacham was magnificent and Sable was the all-round most realized character in the whole Dynasty canon.
- Their parents got divorced and Sable moved to England with her mother whilst Frankie stayed in America with her father
- They cast Emma Samms based on her popularity and Q-rating.
They thought her popularity from GH would translate into ratings. It didn't.
- Rula Lenksa was wanted for Sable but refused to have a facelift so in came Stephanie. They both appeared in Coronation Street.
Did Kate O'Mara ever do The Colbys? She's a stalwart of the regional theatre circuit.
- Faye Dunaway was originally offered the part of Sable. Her asking price was too high.
After paying the salaries of Heston, Stanwyck and Katharine Ross, they didn't much left.
So they hired Stephanie Beecham on the cheap.
Ironic that she was the best thing on the show.
- Kate O'Mara played Alexis sister on Dynasty
- Candice Bergen was offered Frankie but turned it down.
- [quote] Their parents got divorced and Sable moved to England with her mother whilst Frankie stayed in America with her father
Then the sisters switched continents. Sable married Jason and moved to America.
While Frankie married an English Lord and moved to England, thus becoming Lady Francesca Langdon.
- Candice Azzara was offered Constance but turned it down.
- "Stephanie Beacham gave Joan Collins a run for her money. I think she was much sexier, much classier, much less SHOWY... and yet JUST as effective." - critic on Channel 4's Top Ten Bitches (2001)
"I loved our Sable, I thought she was heaven... because she was VERY feminine." - Stephanie Beacham
- Stephanie almost wasn't Sable. She was only about 36 at the time and Aaron Spelling thought she was too young before changing his mind. Tracy Scoggins was about 3 years younger than her.
- Frankie was a total cunt abandoning her son after his supposed father died and then arriving in town once he receives a share in Colby Co.
And then sleeping with her sisters husband.
- Ironic that most of the audience rooted for Sable, and Frankie was suppose to be the heroine!
- Music Tribute to Sable
- Stephanie was the best thing in the show. I thought Tracy was pretty good too. The should have made Maxwell's character on out and proud over promiscuous homosexual. If it hadn't been for her commitment to some wretched syndication show we would have had Jane Badler as the recast Fallon. Now that would have been great.
- Sable to Frankie
"You are a walking ad for adultery!"
- Sable was so superior Alexis; the former seemed like she could exist in the real world whereas Alexis was just a caricature of herself by 1985 with her endless "I-will-destroy-you-and-takeover-your-company" threats.
I could totally imagine Stephanie as an Old Hollywood star.
- Ah, season 9 of Dynasty - where I felt the show was getting its mojo back and having real fun again.
And they did address the UFO incident on Dynasty the following season when they folded Fallon and Jeff back into the family. As I recall, Fallon instead it really happened, Jeff thought she was delusional, and that caused them to separate. But no, they never really definitively said one way or the other.
- Bette Midler doing Alexis' "I-will-destroy-you-and-takeover-your-company" speech in Big Business was hysterical. That is one underrated movie. Especially the hot Duke guy. But I digress.
- The spaceship tainted what was otherwise a great series.
Like the flying car at the end of Grease.
- Does anyone remember that guy on DL who said he worked on both Dynasty and Colby sets? Let me refresh your memory. He said that actor who played Fallon's husband, John James, was gay at the time who had a lot of male lovers around him, and when he got married everyone was shocked. He also said that Linda Evans was a bitch in real life ,and Joan Collins was extremely nice and funny. Also, Stanwyck was worn out between takes,but when it was time to film she was ready to go,and Cheston Heston wanted his chair with his name on it where ever they filmed and was a jerk.
I remember I asked him if Max Caulfield is bisexual, and he said we all wondered ,but he didn't know.I am aware Caulfield is Married to Juliet Mills. Gosh he was such a stud! When I was a kid I couldn't take my eyes off of him when he did his scenes!
I loved Emma Samms. I agree she was wrong for Fallon's part,but She always seemed like a nice person in general. I was pissed off and felt shafted when they didn't end Dynasty properly. Fallon got trapped in that hidden room that she found with those gorgeous antiques and artwork and then that was that. I remember they got a lot of complaints from the viewers because they didn't give Dynasty a proper ending so they came back to film a proper ending ,but they made a new story line and ditched the previous ending all together close the show which stupid and still left questions unanswered.
I love Stephanie Beacham. She was really classy and conniving. BTW, even though Heston was a jerk in real life, I still like him as an actor and Stanwyck goes with out saying has always been one of my favorite actresses.
- Emma should have been recast as Amanda.
- R59 Miles Colby is really married to Tabatha the witch from Passions?
- I thought Stephanie Beacham looked older than her age. BTW, Andy Cohen interviewed Joan Collins and she said that she based her character on a female version of JR from Dallas.
- Yes R61, here is the link too. BTW, they never had children and he is younger than her.
- When Heston found out he had Alzheimer's, he called up Stephanie Beacham and said "I just want you to know before my mind really goes that I love you."
- Stephanie starring in "The Nightcomers" with some actor called Brando supporting her. If she'd wanted Hollywood as a young woman, she could have taken it. I suppose what happened to Sharon Tate put her off:
- Young Stephanie as the definitive Blanche Ingram in the best version of "Jane Eyre". The bitch goddess honing her craft:
- Sable was great.
- Pro that she was, Stanwyck didn't bitch about the show in public until after it was cancelled. Then she said it had the worst scripts she had ever seen in her life. Which is saying a lot considering she was in her 80s then.
- R61. Another way of putting your statement is Michael Carrington from Grease2 has been married to Phoebe Figalilly (nanny) for over 30 years!
- I thought Tracy Scoggins played the storyline in which Monica was revealed as having given up her baby for adoption really well. She was very believable and compelling.
Were there two Bliss Colbys? What a stupid name.
- Miles was a milquetoasty name, too. I gather that he really was named Max first but when Caulfield was cast they changed it. Max would have been the perfect name for the character. And it would have been wonderful if he'd been a raging bisexual like Caulfield was.
- [quote]He said that actor who played Fallon's husband, John James, was gay at the time who had a lot of male lovers around him, and when he got married everyone was shocked.
That's funny. I had been under the impression James was out and was also shocked when I read he was married.
- R70 it is a soap opera and soaps are infamous for having characters with stupid names.
- R27 He(John James) has a farm in upstate New York.........Cambridge,NY.Yeah he went slumming on ATWT and AMC in the Twenty Os. He might as well do the new AMC now,everyone else is.....
- Was John James considered a hunk during his time on Dynasty and The Colbys? I seem to recall a beefcake poster he did, standing shirtless while wearing jeans with the top button undone, looking seductively (as best as he could) into the camera.
- The guys on Dynasty/Colbys were way too pretty. I much preferred the more manly looking guys like Patrick Duffy on Dallas and Ted Shackelford on Knots.
- I once read that both, Heston and Stanwyck, were big pains in the producers' asses. Apparently they kept asking for script changes (Stanwyck and Heston) and didn't stick to the written dialogues (Heston obviously). When Stanwyck asked to be released from her contract the producers were more than happy to let her go.
It still puzzles me why they chose Emma Samms for Fallon. Her look and acting didn't have anything in common with the original character. The writing didn't help either. All typical Fallon traits were totally washed out or written for Scoggin's Monica. Tracy Scoggins should have played Fallon and Samms could have played the Colby daughter.
- [quote] just looked like Dynasty warmed over
That really said it all.
Heston was so not warm or relatable. Almost everyone on the show was a complete chore to watch, but Stephanie Beacham was definitely the spark. I enjoyed her scenes, and cheered her joining the mother show in its last year.
- Tori Spelling suggested Emma Samms to her father after seeing her on General Hospital.
Emma improved slightly in S8 of Dynasty and dramatically in S9. S9 Fallon is my favorite incarnation of Fallon.
I think Stephanie said she was blacklisted in Hollywood after posing for Playboy.
- The dynamic for The Colbys was always off.
Sable was obviously supposed to be the Alexis of the show, but whereas Alexis was a feisty troublemaker, Sable was actually a good hearted wife and mother.
It was her slutty sister, The Lady Langdon (a very haggard looking Katherine Ross) who was trying to steal Jason away from her.
Sable had that "spark," but it was wasted because there was no one really decent on that show to play off of. Ricardo Montalban had a goo run to trying to seduce her away from Jason.
So much better when they moved her over to Dynasty to play off Joan. Alexis had fucked Jason Colby, after he left Sable. And that made for great retribution. Then there was the fact it was revealed that Jason was only the biological father of Bliss (there was only one) and the twins, Monica & Miles, were a product of her being raped. But that bastard Jason disowned them anyways.
Glad Sable got to fuck Dex. Alexis should never had run him away.
- The guy who played Alexis's boyfriend Dexter, isn't he gay in real life? I think he got arrested one tome because he was a drug dealer on the side. Oh man! he was so gorgeous! He is a native American stud!
- [quote]The Colby's failed because by the time it premiered in the fall of 1985, the big primetime soap opera boom of the late 70s/ early 80s was coming to an end
Nonsense. Dynasty ran until '89 and Dallas until '91. And in the early 90's, along came Melrose Place and Beverly Hills 90210, which were both hits and lasted a long time.
The Colbys simply sucked.
- FINALLY on dvd - the complete series! YES!!!!
- R81 I had a huge crush on Michael Nader back then, I was young and he was dark, had hairy chest and a real bedroom voice and eyes. He doesn't have same effect on me anymore!
- R68 They got Stanwyck, who was too good for it and then didn't have writers good enough for her talents.
- [quote]Nonsense. Dynasty ran until '89 and Dallas until '91
All with declining ratings, year over year.
Dallas was ranked 61st when it was cancelled, Dynasty 57th.
- There will be new interviews with cast on the dvd set. Stephanie included! Check it out:
- Barbara Stanwyck was asked what she thought of working with Charleton Heston, to which she replied, "Not much."
- Casting Katharine Ross as the "Krystle" character on The Colbys was really miscasting.
- btw Maxwell Caulfield and Juliet Mills who are married played cousins on Dynasty/The Colbys!
- This was also the series that gave us Adrian Paul (future tv Highlander) in a speedo! I think he played a ballet dancer that was dating Bliss.
The best thing about the Colby's - was that they moved Sable and Monica over to Dynasty the last season and allowed Dynasty to at least be interesting for its last season.
And John James had to be the sexiest thing for me growing up. He had those thick lips and that fantastically hairy torso.
- [quote] The best thing about the Colby's - was that they moved Sable and Monica over to Dynasty the last season
But then they had Jeff and Monica fall in love and they are brother and sister!
Not to mention cousins.
- I appreciate the OP and every poster who resisted using the unnecessary apostrophe. The rest of you can fuck off.
- [quote]Barbara Stanwyck was asked what she thought of working with Charleton Heston, to which she replied, "Not much."
Stanwyck only enjoyed working with Beacham. She let that be well known.
I believe at one point she wouldn't even speak to the rest of the cast unless it involved a scene.
- Apparently, Kate O'Mara was originally going to be sister Frankie (explaining why Sable was English) after successfully auditioning but she couldn't get out of her West End play on time so they cast Katharine Ross and when Kate was ready, they cast her as Caress on Dynasty. I think she would have been superb as Frankie.
- [quote]I think she would have been superb as Frankie.
Certainly more attractive than the haggard Ross.
- O'Mara would have made Frankie more of a brunette Krystle. And so, the spark would have been there. What's better than 1 English bitch on a show? 1 English bitch and one English angel! Colbys would have surpassed the mothership had O'Mara been Frankie.
- r35, I agree, but he was absolutely brilliant as the cold ruthless bastard that Blake was in season 1. A classier J.R. Ewing. Then they proceeded to make him into a hero. With the decline in quality in the writing that happened along with it, Blake and Forsythe just became campier and hammier as the seasons rolled on to its painful end.
- r81, Nader isn't gay - or at least there have never been stories of him. His uncle George Nader however was one of Rock Hudson's lovers.
- Nader was involved with DL favorite Brenda Dickson.
- Gorgeous set of Beacham stills here during her Colbys run. The song choice is funny!
- OMG, r100, that can't be true! Is it?
- I loved Stephanie Beacham on Sister Kate.
- [quote]The guy who played Alexis's boyfriend Dexter, isn't he gay in real life? I think he got arrested one tome because he was a drug dealer on the side. Oh man! he was so gorgeous! He is a native American stud!
Micheal Nader is Lebanese.
- R92 That was odd. Was it always known that Jason was Jeff's father or did that come out in The Colby's?
Monica and Jeff did have this big, bizarre flirtation going on then, somewhat hypocritically, were furious with Adam for making it public.
It led to a big catfight between Jeff and Adam in the Carlton. (Jeff: How could you!? She's my sister! Adam: That makes you a pervert.)
In the middle of all this, Alexis prances in and announced that Miles and Monica were the product of rape. That, in turn, led to the Alexis/Sable catfight.
That same season Sammy Jo was dating a priest, Sable got Dex hot by spraying perfume in his eyes and biting his lip until it bled, and Fallon was having sexual fantasies about a corpse (her mother's lover, Roger Grimes.)
Lots of kinky shit that season.
- Stephanie was great, but Joan had an edge and awareness of how to do camp that pushed Dynasty into the stratosphere.
- Joan was not doing 'camp'. Do you even know the definition of the term? Camp is something that comes about unintentionally.
- r106, Joan was actually acting. She was not trying to be funny or ironic. She was serious.
- Alexis was seldom written with the depth Sable was. When they gave Collins the material she could deliver. Beacham, though, is a more talented actress.
It's interesting that if you look just at the actions of Sable and Francesca, it's Francesca who is the homewrecking ssssslut, while Sable is the loving, but definitely manipulative wife.
- Is Tracy Scoggins a lezbo? She did study Phys Ed in college.
- Love this...
- Is that Faye Dunaway standing in for Beacham in that fight? That much skin hasn't been seen since Joan was beating the crap out of 'Tina.
- they should looking back now, made a show of show of just alexis, sable and diahann caroll's character dominique!... CAN YOU IMAGINE!
VERBAL AND PHYSICAL CATFIGHTS EVERY EPISODE!
THE 3 WOMEN THE GREATEST TRIO OF 24/7 HORNY COUGARS SCREWING GORGEOUS MUSCLE STUDS YOUNG ENOUGH TO BE THEIR SONS AND GRANDSONS EVERY EPISODE! (not to mention all their servants would be musclebound eye candy!)
would have been the greatest eye candy/homoerotic/campy fierce fun tv show ever! lol!
- It was an awful show. Stanwyck was wasted in this. She had emphysema and it was difficult for her to breathe. Those damned cigarettes. Her love scenes with Joseph Campanella seemed forced and awkward. Heston looked ridiculous with his toupee and yellowing dentures; allegedly he had bad denture breath as well. Katharine Ross should have never been cast in the show at all; she lacked the camp factor necessary for pulling off an OTT show. My mother swore that Tracy Scoggins was a man. The subplot of Miles raping Fallon was totally lifted from Dynasty when Adam raped Kirby. Pamela Sue Martin was great as Fallon, but the stress of doing the show caused her hair to fall out.
- Stanwyck had emphysema since 1970 (see her death certif) and continued smoking, so she could breathe pretty well.
Heston's yellow teeth were his real teeth. That's what 62 year old teeth look like. The wig, however, was absurd. Not as bad as Robert Redfords, but bad.
- I think they ignored the whole rape reveal in Season 9 cause Monica, Miles and Jeff were back to being siblings.
- Elizabeth Montgomery was also considered for Sable or Frankie can't remember who. She declined because she didn't want to do another series but she would've been tremendous in the bitchy Sable role.
- It should never have been made. It was too late in the genre and the story well was tapped out.
I disagree with the contention that the writing for Alexis lacked the depth of the writing for Sable... I always thought Beacham took bad writing and managed to imbue it with some actual talent. Alexis was delightfully written in the first two seasons and Collins brought a lot of energy to how she played it... she was really acting then too. Once it became a megahit and ventured into perfumes and fictional European royalty she had plainly said fuck it, I'll just cash the checks. And who can blame her? I've been dialling it in for years at my job, personally.
- It was smart of Dynasty to bring Beacham aboard with Linda Evans leaving the show so Joan could have someone to play off of during its last season. Tracy Scoggins however was unnecessary . I think The Colbys suffered also from too large a cast. And most of what The Colbys tried to do Dynasty already had done years before. And better. It would've been smarter to incorporate some of the main Colby characters into Dynasty instead of the spin off. Instead we got the boring Fallmont family and the ridiculous two Krystles storylines.
- I wish both The Colbys and Dynasty were on Hulu or Netflix.
- I agree with you that Alexis started out being a more deeply written character, R118. And as I said before, Collins delivered. Once the first Alexis/Krystle brawl was so successful whatever depth there was took a backseat to being more and more sensationalistic. The whole buildup that led to the first fight was overlooked. There had to be a brawl every season whether there was any real motivation (other than boosting ratings) or not. And as time went on Alexis was written more and more as an archetype than as a full human being. Joan could deliver when given the material, no doubt.
- Had Dynasty survived past Season 9, I have fantasized about Alexis dying in the finale (when she fell with Dex) and Sable taking the place of both Alexis and the terminally ill Krystle on the show, marrying Blake and becoming the matriach, with Krystle's dying blessing. Thus, Sable achieves the ultimate revenge of the Colbys, by marrying their chief rival! We all know that Sable was the star of that final season, Linda Evans wanted to leave and Joan was also on the verge of walking - with her down to earth gravitas but still glamorous appeal, Beacham would have made Dynasty an authentic show for the 90s. Collins and Evans could not have made it work for Generation X, they were just too larger than life.
- Sounds hot!
- I wanted the mystery woman in the limo to be Claudia. Long story short, it wasn't her body that was found in the ruins of La Mirage.
- I had written a FANTASTIC fan fic story bible for Season 10. Sable plots to pass her baby with the now dead Dex Dexter off as Blake Carrington's child!!!! Grief stricken by Krystle's death (he doesn't give Alexis' death a passing thought!), Blake marries the pregnant Sable in a lavish wedding that gets global publicity. Convalescing in a nunnery is Claudia Blaisdel, vengeful and scarred from the La Mirage fire (yes, I was influenced by Melrose Place's Kimberly!). She is still bitter about 'the liars' and yet gleeful to have crossed some names off her hitlist. We discover that Krystle did not have a brain tumor at all but was heavily drugged to convey symptoms on Claudia's orders and then euthanized at a Swiss clinic. We also discover that Claudia's dyke henchwoman (played by Julie T. Wallace) had cut Alexis and Dex's life support systems after their fall from La Mirage.
Claudia moves her base of operations to a Denver condo, where she paces the rooms in a black veil! The dyke henchwoman dresses up as a nurse and delivers Sable's baby girl, sending to back to Claudia and telling Sable that it died at birth. Claudia then calls the baby 'Lindsay' after her dead daughter. Once the grieving Sable is released from hospital, somebody starts blackmailing her about the identity of her baby's father, threatening to reveal all to Blake! Claudia later discovers having bugged Monica Colby's office that Sable's baby is a Dexter and not a bonafide Carrington after all - she stops calling the baby Lindsay and casually decides to sell it on the black market.....
- Could someone give me a wrap up of how they dealt with Krystle...I had stopped watching by the time she left.
- Stephanie Beachum is ugly as hell. At least Joan Collins was pretty when she was younger.
Stephanie makes Bonnie Franklin look attractive.
Barbara Stanwyck looked ready to fall down dead and Charlton Heston acted as if he were still doing BIG movies.....
- R126 Krystle had a brain tumor. Blake flew her overseas to get it operated on but the surgery went wrong and she fell into a coma. But of course she woke up for the reunion in 1991 and reunited with him.
- R127 that's a bad picture. Stephanie is a striking beautiful woman but not a 10 like Joan was.
- Ugly? Get the fuck out of here.
- Did they ever resolve who that woman in the limousine was supposed to be? I've heard Dominique again but who would care? I suppose at that point it would have been stupid no matter who it was.
- For Stephanie Beacham fans, check out her sensational performance in the UK series Connie (this was just before The Colbys), playing an exiled fashion businesswoman in the rag trade who comes back to England to challenge her greedy family. It's an amazingly written series, and she is so incredibly glamorous even though the locale is grim as hell!
- More Stephanie as Connie:
- I wonder why the writers/producers/whoever was in charge ended up hating Gordon Thomson. By the last couple of seasons he was the best thing on there.
- Joan Collins, Stephanie Beecham and Juliet Mills all played cousins on the show
- The woman in the limo was a woman from Blake's past, to be played by Lauren Hutton. She may even have supplied the voice over in that last ep.
In my Claudia return she was only slightly injured in the La Mirage fire. In the melee she managed to loot the guests' safety deposit boxes, making her wealthy. She fled to Europe. In a box of old papers left to her by Walter Lankershim she read about the Collection, so she returned to Denver to get it and ruin Blake in the process. She was still under the delusion that he has swindled her out of the oil well. No lezzies in my version.
- I'd just like to say that I want Colby Keller in me, quite deeply.
- I loved Dynasty in its heyday, so I tried to watch The Colbys. I never could get into the storylines or bring myself to care what happened to any of the characters besides Barbara Stanwyck's just because she was ancient by then. I remember Max Caulfield looked good back then.
- The Colbys had better production values than Dynasty. It looked absolutely AMAZING. Better lighting. Everything was like a classic Hollywood movie. No wonder Stanwyck and Heston signed up.
- I agree that Heston acted as if he was still an A list actor during his heyday. He was so handsome in the 50's and 60's. He even did a shirtless scene on the Colby's. He had a bit of a belly, but still looked somewhat presentable.
- I thought the exact opposite... that the interiors of The Colbys looked completely suburban, just like Southfork.
Dyansty, even if you never saw the location pilot shot at Filoli, was about the only TV series about the rich that felt authentic - a real mansion. They kept a good sense of proportion on the sets, at least until the moved Venus de Milo to the end of the hall and relocated the staircase.
- This really is slightly off topic, but Linda Evans did not really quit Dyansty, she was let go. When David Paulson, EP of the last season signed on he said there was barely a budget to work with. He had a vision what the show needed to look like but no money to realize anything. For example, he found previous seasons to look claustrophobic because there were never any exterior shots anymore. He wanted to "open up" the show but that would have cost money. Likewise was he not able to hire actors for more characters. So he and the studio decided to let Evans go and cut Collin's episodes in half. He said of the three big-ticket (expensive) actors, they couldn't let go Blake Carrington as the patriarch. Paulson also found that the relationship of Blake and Krystle was lovely but from a drama point of view boring because their characters were always, and needed to be, so in tune. So he wanted to break that. (Forsythe was unhappy about that.)
For the same reason Susan Sullivan was let go on Falcon Crest. For just the salary of Sullivan they were able to hire three new regulars. I suppose that's what they did on Dynasty too when they brought on Beacham and Scoggins.
- I like the interiors on THE COLBYS . They look wealthy, but in a different way from those on DYNASTY. The difference in the theme music is interesting. DYNASTY is more stately whereas THE COLBYS is almost like a swashbuckler. It's more akin to FALCON CREST than the show that spawned it.
As to Beacham's attractiveness, she doesn't have as beautiful a face as Collins, but certainly not unattractive. Her body, though, is a freaking work of art. I could almost go straight for that body. But of course there's also prime era Maxwell Caulfield to consider.
- Does anyone know if Charlton Heston was possibly bisexual?
- [quote]Dyansty, even if you never saw the location pilot shot at Filoli, was about the only TV series about the rich that felt authentic - a real mansion. They kept a good sense of proportion on the sets, at least until the moved Venus de Milo to the end of the hall and relocated the staircase.
Agreed. At the beginning it felt fairly realistic (by Hollywood standards), but then they configured the set and the downstairs hall went from mansion to McMansion. What a weird choice.
A good number of scenes used to happen in the kitchen as well, but (IIRC) the kitchen set was dropped after Joseph's departure and we instead were treated to the boring breakfast room.
Nothing, however, was as bad as the reunion movie, where they didn't even attempt to recreate the sets and just shot on location in what was very obviously a hotel. Can't find any pictures of it online but it was heinous.
- I can't find links either but it wasn't a hotel... it was an actually horrid home in LA.
I assume the reconfigure of set was because it was cheaper to strike and to light.
- R142 I think it was mutual that Linda wanted to leave and they wanted her to go. I have also heard she would've done the whole season if she knew it was gonna be the last. But of course they would've let her go anyway then. If Dynasty returned for another season I wonder if Evans would've been involved in any capacity.
- "Does anyone know if Charlton Heston was possibly bisexual?"
- "The woman in the limo was a woman from Blake's past, to be played by Lauren Hutton."
So now Lauren Hutton is not a lez?
- Echoing what R147 says, Aaron Spelling would have found the money to keep Linda Evans until the end.
She was too important to the show (like Blake and Alexis) to lose
It really was a mutual decision.
- OP, you answered your own question. By the time The Colbys premiered, the novelty of Dynasty and Dallas (and the way they reflected the values of the first Reagan administration) was over, so it came on just too late. But they had some very weak performers as well. besides Stephanie Beacham (the best thing about the show) their best were Barbara Stanwyck and Ricardo Montalban, and the writers didn't know what to do with them; in the meantime they were stuck with actors of very limited range (Heston, Katharine Ross, John James, ) and actors who are so weak as to be practically non-actors (Emma Samms, whoever played Bliss).
Plus the set-up was too identical to Dynasty. Instead of a gravelly aging rich patriarch, with a raging bitch for an ex-wife and a nice bland pretty lady as a 2nd wife, and several troubled children, we instead had in the Colbys a gravelly aging rich patriarch with a raging bitch for a wife and a nice bland pretty lady for a mistress, and several troubled children.
- I could never take Ricardo Fine Corinthian Leather seriously.
- I really enjoyed Montalban. He made Zach Powers a multi-layered character. The Jason/Sable/Zach triangle was the most watchable part of the show. Frankie was the weak link in the romantic plot. Ross was somewhat bland, but was saddled with a character that made Krystle look dynamic by comparison. The addition of Michael Parks added some intensity. Poor Bliss never was really integrated with the rest of the family. She was always off with some love interest. Even when she was with Zach's nephew she still seemed to be in another show.
- I cringed whenever Emma Samms came on as Fallon. I remember a critic said 30 years ago when it aired her portrayal made you wanna crawl on your bare knees through jagged glass to beg Pamela Sue Martin to return. Exactly how I felt. Of course they offered her a chance to come back. But of course she said no. The character had been so radically altered (far weaker, no edge) she did the smart thing by staying away from the spin off.
- Emma played a vixen on GH. I liked her as Fallon but the writers wrote her as if she were Amanda.
- Agree with your last paragraph r151. I remember watching it for the first time and my mother saying something similar, along with "oh look they even have an Alexis too"
- Katharine Ross really was a weak link. There were so many other actresses who could have done better. It's just that anyone they asked said no. They should have explored Fallon's disappearance a little more. It might have been interesting.
- I watched The Colbys when it was new, being a Dynasty fan. I thought it started out good. Resident British Bitch Stephanie Beecham was acceptable as the Colby Alexis. I was shocked to see a big star like Charlton Heston doing soap series TV, though. Kinda brought his esteemed star down I thought. I figured he needed the work and cash. But The Colbys always hedged on being trashier than Dynasty. Everyone expected it to be scandalous. It never hit. It always seemed to miss. When it was canceled I didn't cry. No, I didn't cry.
- People finally outgrew these sill night time saps, with their poorly acted, dopey hysterical plots.
- I initially wrote Beacham off as a Collins clone and didn't watch more then a few episodes. It was only after watching THE COLBYS on SoapNet that I realized how wonderful and nuanced her performance was. She's melodramatic to be sure, but never false. The show was good enough to deserve a couple more seasons at least, but between the mistaken idea that it was just a lesser ripoff of DYNASTY and the bad timing, it didn't stand much of a chance.
- [quote]night time saps
Best typo of the day!
- R157 I thought Ross did ok in the role. But it was stretch to say the least to think her and Beacham were sisters. As far as Fallon's disappearance I think it was explored enough the season after Martin left. I really don't know what Spelling was thinking casting Samms in the role. Never listen to your stupid daughter on recasting a major character on a #1 show. If he thought her fans would follow her from GH that's one thing. But you are just gonna alienate the majority of fans by going in the opposite direction of Martin. Which ended up happening. One of the nails in the Colbys coffin was Samms.
- Funny... no one has mentioned Maxwell Caulfield at all in this discussion.
- Tracy Scoggins would have made a good Fallon.
- Co-creator William Bast just died.
- In fairness, Ross was given a thankless role. Frankie was so wishy-washy where men were concerned. It got worse once Michael Parks was added as Phillip Colby. David Hedison as ex-husband Roger said something to the effect that she loves whatever man she's with at the time, and that was a true statement.
- I loved the Colbys. I lusted after Maxwell Caulfield, and loved the old Hollywood feel to the show. The theme song was stirring. I also liked Dynasty, but not as much as this for some reason. I was never attracted to John James, even though I was told I bore a resemblance to him at the time. Probably because I tried to dress like him more than anything real.
- Only on DL could this thread not only exist but THRIVE.
- Caulfield was beautiful, almost femininely so. James was handsome. Neither, sadly, have aged well. Charles Van Eman was quIte the piece hImself.
- Yes, Ross was stuck with a thankless role. Frankie was a "type" and a plot point. They had no clue what or who she should be, just the "brunette Krystle" in their pivotal triangle. For years, Jeff's mother was dead; now she was alive and living in England as an aristocrat and she was Jason's ex-lover ... and oh, yeah, she was also Sable's sister. The writers had no clue what they wanted from that family.
It still boggles my mind Ross accepted the job. Ross must have been hard up.
With better writers - and possibly a Jennifer O'Neill or a Jaclyn Smith in the role - Frankie could have been a great character.
- Marquis actors!
thanks for the laugh OP and, of course, OH, DEAR.
- [quote]Caulfield was beautiful, almost femininely so. James was handsome. Neither, sadly, have aged well.
GEEZ!!! You guys are rough!!! He looks good for a 55 year old man.
- I think Caulfield has aged well. Has to wear a rug, but it's not a bad one.
- He's lost most of his hair, but I think Caulfield looks pretty good. I saw a Modern Family rerun with him the other night and yeah, he could still get it.
John James, on the other hand..not so much.
Dynasty and The Colbys both did some really stupid things, but the worst was Emma Samms as Fallon.
- What was so bad about Emma?
- [quote]I saw a Modern Family rerun with him the other night and yeah, he could still get it.
If by "it" you mean his septuagenarian wife, then, yes.
- I get a 404 error when I click on R172's link.
- Katharine Ross was suppose to be the Linda Evans of The Colbys
but it was such a wishy washy part
Best line from Sable
Frankie you are a walking ad for adultery
- "Pop" is showing Dynasty reruns in the mornings.
Today was 'Enter Alexis!'
- R175 Watch Fallon portrayed by Pamela Sue Martin and then Emma Samms. It should answer your question. Not even in the same league acting and charisma wise for starters.
- R180, at least Emma Samms wasn't going bald!
- R181 Pamela Sue could've been bald in the role and still better than Samms.
- R180 - I'm asking what was it about her acting that made her unsuitable.
- R183 1. Couldn't pull off an American accent if her life depended on it.
2. Spoke in a monotone. Horrible speaking voice in fact.
3. Played the role with absolutely no edge.
- Thanks R184
- [quote] 1. Couldn't pull off an American accent if her life depended on it. 2. Spoke in a monotone. Horrible speaking voice in fact. 3. Played the role with absolutely no edge.
I'm a little young to remember Emma Samms. I think I may have seen her in Casualty or something like that, but 1. might have led to 2. and 3. Brits often go monotone when trying to do an American accent. And concentrating on an accent can really inhibit someone's acting.
- I remember her on GH and thought she did a good job. That's why I was asking why she was inadequate as Fallon. Probably it was the challenge of the accent.
- Kate O'Mara was supposed to play Frankie, which would have made for more sense considering Sable was English. She would have made the character a huge hit, and been magical opposite Beacham (both are strong but subtle actresses, unlike La Collins). Because she wasn't avilable to fly out, they cast her as the less fleshed out Caress in Dynasty a season later instead.
- i think al corley wasone of the greatest actors from dynasty. i wandered if he was secretly gay?
- I loved Kate O'Mara.
- I hated fake Steven too. Jack Coleman had zero sex appeal. Very good-looking but zero sex appeal. Al was fucking sex on a stick.
- R187 that's part of the reason why it was such a debacle to cast Samms in the role. They wanted her to use an American accent but she couldn't pull it off. In Samms defense the role was written on The Colbys as an ultimate victim. The role was Fallon in name only on The Colbys and really had nothing to do with Martin in the slightest. When David Jacobs took over Dynasty in season 9 he was going to ask Martin to come back but decided to give Samms another chance. She did improve in the role but never enough to make you forget Martin.
- I've been watching the first season on POP and Martin is arguably the best actor that year. She really made Fallon a complex character as opposed to falling in the easy traps of just playing her as a spoiled slut or a bitchy brat.
Corley is also fantastic as he plays Steven and homosexuality as sympathetic. Which is a feat since even the writers are basically trying to make the audience believe it is unnatural and a mental illness.
I also think Bellwood did her best that first year, too.
Forsythe was too hammy in the beginning and Evans was, and still is, a piece of drift wood.
I wanted Steven to have an affair with Matthew Blaisdale. That would have been hot.
- How many people couldn't stand Krystle?
I remember my mom saying, "I think Krystle is such a boring character. She doesn't do anything for the show."
Aside from her dissatisfaction with Blake, all Krystle did for most of the series was stand in Blake's shadow, cheering him on, saying, "Oh, Blake, I know you can pull through this, you're such a winner, Alexis can't get away with this!"
- R193 Loved the first season too. All the points you made were right. The show began as an indictment of the rich to a celebration of them after Collins joined. The show probably would've been cancelled without Joan joining it though and Spelling was a master of giving the audience what it wanted. It lost it serious undertones after the first year but still was enjoyable and fun as hell the first five years. Collins was born to play Alexis.
- The tone changed significantly after the first year. From a well-acted nighttime drama, to a scenery-chewing "big event" crapfest. Oh, it was still fun to watch. But you felt miserable afterwards, like eating that pint of Ben & Jerry's.
- A good friend who worked at ABC during the show's run told me that Caulfield and Heston did not get along. Heston was furious that, one day early on, Caulfield showed up to work completely messed up from being gang-fisted the night before. It delayed production and Heston had words with Caulfield over his unprofessional behavior. They didn't speak off-camera at all after that.
- What made the Dynasty theme tune better than The Colbys theme, if you really listen to the melody without the intrusive trumpet, was that it had a sadness about it, a fragility and hint of tragedy.
And by the way....
I'm tired of the Krystle hate. In the first two seasons, she was a strong character. She was kind by nature but she was also tough and assertive. Only later was she made into this madonna type figure to offset Joan as the wicked temptress. And that was when Dynasty became no different than a cartoon:
- Martin was no great actress. Samms could act, but Martin had that feisty edge that set her Fallon apart. Plus in the first seasons, Fallon was written as a strong character. By the time Martin left, Fallon had begun to be watered down. When Samms inherited the role as amnesiac Fallon, it was written as a victim and continued on until the last season of DYNASTY. If DYNASTY had been given another season or more and the writing had stayed good, Samms would have made the role her own. Samms acting on THE COLBYS was good, but the character as written was Fallon in name only.
- R199 Agree with everything you say except Samms and her acting on The Colbys. She was horrible and too young for the role. Martin was never Meryl Streep but you believed her on the earlier Dynasty seasons as a worldly rich party girl who was just as smart as the men on the show. Plus Martin had amazing chemistry with all the cast members that Samms never had. Has to be the worst recast ever on primetime. She's one of the many reasons Dynasty and Colbys dropped like a stone in the ratings.
- Pamela Sue Martin reminded me of Debra Winger. They were very, very strong and spirited on screen.
- LOVE the Mary's comment on this video!!!
[quote]I like how Krystle's outfit matches the color of the mud they fall into. It symbolises how Krystle is a part of nature herself and how Alexis is always battling against nature, terrified of falling into mud, water or enduring any form of physical discomfort. Krystle is a natural woman, a child of the earth. Alexis has been so consumed with conquest, she has no real connection to the world itself and so, when thrown into a chaotic situation, Alexis is no match for Krystle. As a woman, Krystle had a moral code but could fight dirty when called for it. I really admire her.
- R201 Agreed. They would be great as sisters in a film.
- What THE COLBYS needed was an actress of great range in a pivotal role. One who could bring strength, pathos, and an overpowering charisma. I don't want to be immodest, but I did receive an incredible response from DYNASTY fans during my run on the show. I could have saved THE COLBYS!
- Sable's first ever scene (on Dynasty, introducing the Colby clan) - listen to Beacham's enunciation of 'grisly bear' and try not to cream yourselves.