What is it like? Will there be riots? I have a feeling Gwyneth doesn't live nearby.
It's in North London, not a bad area certainly, upper middle class villagey type neighbourhood (clock tower in the centre) with art shops and sidewalk cafes, right next to the very wealthy Highgate.
Gwyneth lives in Belsize Park, same neighbourhood as Tim Burton and Helena Bonham Carter.
It's very arty and celebby. Not rough at all.
Belsize Park is right next to Hampstead, obviously one of the ritziest areas of London.
A lot of TV actors live in Crouch End but not a lot of A-listers like Helena and Gwynnie.
All London is inky and dangerous. You can get mugged anywhere. One needs a FWD and bodyguards. Chuckles and Cam just took delivery of an armoured BMW. Lovely bespoke Jags no longer cut it for tootling through the metropolis now that it is a heaving morass of angry underclass and the dregs of Eastern Europe.
Inga is a delusional Eastern European Housefrau with too much time on her hands.
That's what I was afraid of r4....and I think it is in Zone 2. I'll have to pay extra. I think I'll just stay in the hotel.
Crouch End is a lovely little part of North London - don't forget to see the Alexandra Palace while you're there. Take the tube to Highgate and walk down the hill, or get off at Finsbury Park and take the bus past the Drama School (and the Judi Dench Theater) to High Street Crouch End. Lots of working theater and telly actors live there - shop at the Tesco's on High Street.
Why do actors live there?
Not as expensive as other areas of London, near White City and the BBC Studios. A nice section of London, get over yourself OP.
how dare you address me r9? but will there be odors?
The only odour will be the stench of the Petite bourgeoisie emanating from your nether regions, OP. But you are probably so used to it by now, you will hardly notice....
At first I thought OP was talking about the short story by Stephen King
Crouch End is cheaper because it doesn't have a Tube stop and you have to get there by bus. I thought the Stephen King story was hilarious because Crouch End is such a wholefoods cutesy middle-classy place.
[quote]upper middle class villagey type neighbourhood
Upper middle class? No! Middle, middle class.
Back in the day it would have been referred to as artsy...artsy middle class.
[quote]Crouch End is a lovely little part of North London
Lovely is an exaggeration and it's VERY FAR from everything. A long way out.
I know it well, and its full of those huge baby buggy things, with earnest Boden-clad modern parents using a trip to the shops as a fabulous teaching opportunity for their adorable poppets Alfie and Millicent, who learn all about free trade organic extra virgin pomegranate molasses in the local Waitrose and Budgens, before they take a well earned break in any one of the numerous wood floor, artisan cup, hand made, stone ground, skimmed milk, cappa-frappa-chocca-crappy cafes (knit your own feta cheese roulade optional).
R17 nailed it.
R12, that's what I thought too. Damn, that was one of his scariest stories. I had no idea it was a real place.
what are you guys even talking about?
Fork the sign of the evil eye at anyone who's been to Crouch End Towen!
I used to see the lovely David Tennant in the Crouch End Costa every morning, but then he moved a year or so ago.
What is its NY equivalent? Brooklyn Heights? Park Slope? Bayside? Douglaston? Forest Hills? Jamaica Estates? Yorkville?
Park Slope or Astoria, except without a subway stop, R23.
More like Montclair or Millburn - an artsy New Jersey type suburban town with a town center Main Street.
NY/London resident (bi-coastal? bi-national?)
you are called Nylon r24
It's in quite a pretty area of London, but it's full of pretentious fools. Stroud Green which is halfway between Crouch End and Finsbury Park is nicer- not nearly as psychotically middle class.
what do you think of Chiswick? Is it like Crouch End?
Muswell Hill used to be nicknamed Museli Hill.
Is there any neighbourhood in London that is nice but not pretentious?
Are you a Muswell Hillbilly boy? Does your heart lie in old West Virginia?
Chiswick is Bugaboo-central, teaming with upper middle class mummies taking their brats to yoga for newborns or Mandarin for fetuses or something.
But it has nice restaurants.
what is "bugaboo" - do you mean bullshit? bourgeois bullshit?
Is there a neighbourhood in London that is nice but not full of bugaboo, yoga etc. Sort of anonymous for adult serious people that live in cities?
what about Clerkenwell?
[quote]Is there any neighbourhood in London that is nice but not pretentious?
Yes, of course. London is VAST. It's the size of a small country.
Clerkenwell is quite nice actually - some nice squares.
But has a very busy main road going through it...
Bugaboo is a brand name, a company that makes fancy baby strollers beloved by middle class fraus.
A lot of my friends live in Hackney, or Camden. They're a bit hipster but not obnoxiously middle class.
I live in Shepherds Bush which is fairly ordinary.
[quote] I live in Shepherds Bush which is fairly ordinary.
It's Holland Park!
[quote]I live in Shepherds Bush which is fairly ordinary.
We're neighbours! I live in Hammersmith.
I always say if London is the world, Hammersmith is Belgium (aren't I hilarious?)
Is Shepherds Bush ok re crime, or have you had to deal with break-ins or people hassling you on the street?
Crotch End is much more fun than Crouch End.
The busy bit of Shepherds Bush is a bit dodgy, but I live on one of the quiet side streets. It's okay.
We also have a club that's in an underground, converted toilet. It's actually very nice, but I find that amusing.
West/South West London changes so quickly, though. If you go from Chiswick to Hammersmith, Barnes, and then to Roehampton or Putney or Richmond, it goes from super posh and expensive, to middle class, to really rough within like two miles.
What is the West Village of London?
Never seen New Orleans
Oklahoma or Tennessee
Still I dream of those Black Hills
That I ain't never seen
[quote]What is the West Village of London?
London is becoming the great white flight. Too many Muslims
In fact, R57, has never even been to London.
[quote]the neighborhoods above Kensington Park.
Why did they let so many Muslims in? They could have imported Hindus and said, "See? We're not racists!"
I get along with any Hindus I've ever worked with. The second generation of Hindu immigrants have a really nutty sense of humor that I share.
R60--because the Brits have embraced masochism and self-abnegation as a virtue, like much of the West. "We deserve to be hated! Waaah! Thank you, sir, may I have another?"
If they don't take care of this problem soon, they're doomed. And if so: they deserve it. If you don't fight to preserve your culture and the value of tolerance, then just die, already.
[quote]Bugaboo is a brand name, a company that makes fancy baby strollers beloved by middle class fraus.
The pride of Holland!
Oh goody, the psychotic racist anti-Brit troll has arrived.
8.5% of London's population are Muslim. For the whole of Britain, Muslims make up about 3% of the population. Check the facts yourself.
R63--I don't understand you. There are neighborhoods in London that are being patrolled by Muslims; gays and women are being attacked. If it were a Christian group doing this, this board would be up in arms. I think this attitude is alarming. Why is there a double standard about this? Is it fear? Or a knee-jerk reaction that anything non-western people do is just fine and we have to be tolerant and understanding of their intolerance? It seems crazy to me.
"Why is there a double standard about this? Is it fear?"
Because it is all in your HEAD.
r65, is correct. So many people on the left will defend Islam vociferously
I'll crouch your end.
R55 what about the white people who are not Britons (Americans, Europeans, Australians, etc.). What percentage are they in London?
Marylebone is a great London neighbourhood.
R69 Around one and a half million London residents are non-British born whites. Most are European nationals.
This train is for Cockfosters!
The French community in London is around 50,000, large enough for French politicians to court these expats' votes.
I use that line whenever I fuck some cheap Vauxhall slut, R72.
If you look at the 2011 census numbers, 60% of Londoners are classified as "white" regardless of nationality, also not counting mixed race people.
Question: Are these neighborhoods like the outer boroughs of NYC or like suburbs?
Not really R76. They are all old villages which have gradually mreged into London. They have very distinct historical characters. Imagine a group of medium sized European towns strung together, each with their own shops, schools, housing and local government.
I meant that to read as "are they more like boroughs or more like suburbs?" What you describe is how New York grew as well. Brooklyn and Queens were separate counties with many separate towns (The old city of Brooklyn was only part of what is today called Brooklyn). But there are only a handful of neighborhoods outside of Manhattan where wealthy people and celebrities would possibly live. On the other hand some of the suburbs outside the city are very wealthy.
In London because they have grown up from villages the vast majority of boroughs have the same class, wealth etc. variation as any UK town. In London it isn't unusual to have a street where the very rich live backing on to a middle class street or a social housing estate.
If you're very rich, unless you are a non-Brit, you'll live in Oxfordshire or Bucks or almost anywhere else and have a flat in London if you need one.
R69, Polish is the main foreign language in the UK by number of speakers. Over a million came over in the space of a couple of years.
Are there neighborhoods where Americans mostly live or French or Polish people?
The Polish are mainly in West London, namely Ealing, Hammersmith, Fulham, Kensington.
There isn't really a specific French or American area, they're generally scattered throughout, although mainly in West London also I'd say.
R65, I've lived in London my entire life, in a dozen different neighbourhoods all over London, went to university and postgrad school here, nearly my entire family live in London (going back about 4 generations), and most of my friends have lived in London for decades (again all over London). This is the first I've ever, ever heard about Muslim groups patrolling or areas being no-go for gays. Considering how insanely anti-Islamic the Daily Mail is, and how much they froth at the mouth at the slightest hint the UK is pandering to Islam, don't you think they'd maybe occasionally mention it if Muslim vigilante gangs were roaming the streets attacking white women?
All the Muslims I know are liberal, not very religious, and don't have any problem with gay people. They're basically like any other Londoner.
R84, I believe this is what people have been referring to...
Wow, so a handful of morons in one tiny part of town think they are big guys and a whole moral panic breaks out.
Btw, the "Muslim patrol" is only happening outside a mosque.
Does that extend to when the gay bookshop in Bloomsbury had a window display of books on homosexuality in Islamic culture and had the shop window bricked, R92. How about the warning stickers aimed at gays, telling us to leave an Islamic area that were plastered around the Shoreditch area. Tell us about gay rights in Islamic countries.
My 'moral panic' is the same as the one I have for Christian fundamentalists.
That's cool, r93. Do you always bring up Christian fundamentalists as well when you talk about London? How London's impossible to live in because it's being entirely taken over by the Christians?
Christian fundamentalists aren't moving to London.
I'm sure there are more Christian fundamentalists in London then Muslim fundamentalists. And, believe it or not, many Muslims were born and raised in London. Besides, the whole of London does not have fundamentalists of any kind crawling all over it. It's a big, heaving, open vibrant city with great parts and shitty parts. The morons who try and claim that it's being overrun with Muslims or whatever are just as bigoted and hate-filled as the Muslim fundamentalists they complain about. (Actually, they don't complain about Muslim fundamentalists they complain about all Muslims because for them Muslim = scum.)
r98 is a Muslim or a PC robot
r6 just ignore fucking troll in r4.
it is a nice area. you will not get mugged unless you are standing in the middle of the pavement drunk, with a wallet open full of cash and unable to speak your own name - even then you will still have to work hard to get robbed.
London is a safe city and just like anywhere else if you make yourself a victim you will become one, however nice the area is.
London is a safe city? LOL yeah the 2011 riots proved that.
People can't recognize that R4 is a parody? It's even signed "Inga," for God's sake.