I'll believe there are some straight guys who do gay porn for money. But not these two.
Considering in 2013 the salary for even gay porn stars is not much more than a 200-300 dollars, (read Jack Ryan's post-Arpad tweet or Diesel Washington's blog) methinks there is some denial going on there.
That clip seemed so rehearsed. So, so fake.
At least the ghetto messes on Maury seem real in their rage.
Of course there is gay for pay as much as some fools out here won't believe it or call it denial.
I don't care about porn dudes, but in any large and many small cities of the world there are young guys who have sex with men for money, who are not gay. They need the cash.
The facile argument that no one touches cock unless they are closeted comes from too many idiots who confuse porn for life.
Do you think that a female prostitute is just hungry to suck off some old fat smelly dick grampa? Nope, it's for money, for whatever reason. Not about attraction and they remove their sexuality from the transaction.
Many men, young or hung resort to having some kind of incremental sex for money, and drugs. I had a friend who had every young and hung crack head in town available to him on paydays, and they were not gay. It gets sad and ugly, but I have to make the argument, because too many out here live in a virtual world of porn fantasy or hiring rent boys.
Rent boys and porn blurs the lines, because those guys are choosing to have sex and a lot of it, for self gratification and money. Takes a lot more time and effort to earn 500 bucks in porn than it does on the streets. Something else is going on with those porn dudes. Probably even more self destructive, or in select cases, they may be good business whores.
There are still plenty of straight youth and men who resort to having sex with men, for food, shelter and drug money. Survival. Tale as old as time.
Excellent answer r5
I just don't understand how a straight man comes to the conclusion that it's better to take a dick up their ass and that's the ONLY option. It would seem to me that a straight man would rather work minimum wage than to have a dick anywhere near him.
R5, please look up the definition of "incremental" and - at the least - don't telegraph your meaning so it makes you look illiterate. You're better than that.
I am not illiterate and would only "look" that way to someone who understands fully well why I chose the word incremental.
If you want to dillute my opinion by such small slight, then you have another agenda.
You're better than that.
R5 I agree with all that you wrote but one thing: when a female hooker sleeps with an old fart it is more then likely that they are both straight. Too cross the line of sexuality-even for money- you need some interest in that sexual act. You can't separate the dance from the dancer.
Who were they? I didn't recognize either one.
One is Kelso and the other Meyer; Meyer got fucked (and apparently said in an interview that he felt degraded because women get fucked, not men). Kelso fucked Josh. Link NSFW.
I'm not gay, but I bareback with other guys! Really, it's nothing.
Yet, when whatshisname did his first chick on film, the gay community went ballistic saying that he was really straight all along. Make up your frigging mind!
Matt Hughes is definitely straight, but fucked loads of guys on screen before he went into straight porn.
There are people who will fuck anything.
I'm constantly amazed at the straight guys in porn who, having never seen an erect dick other than their own are, within 10 minutes on the floor and taking a load up their ass bareback. Stu, from Sean Cody, being an example.
I wouldn't be surprised in the owner of Corbin Fisher put these guys up to this to gain more publicity for the website. I'm sure a lot of the gay or closeted Jerry Springer viewers tried to look for these guys' "body of work" after the show.
Another guy? That's Connor, the star of Corbin Fisher!
Oh, you mean Pumpkin Head?
Dawson, don't be jealous.
Um that was a hot video
Connor's dick is perfection but he really does have an odd shaped potato head. Dawson is really worn out looking. I've never seen a harder looking 28 year old.
Honey, YOUR'E GAY
Re: hookers. There are plenty of female hookers who are not attracted to men who are having sex with them for money. One of my closest friends is a lesbian who stripped and was a hooker b/c her mother dumped her in the street when she was 16. My friend needed to survive and had no marketable skills. She's now a Sociology professor with a female partner who acknowledges that when she was young she did what she had to survive being homeless and desperate in the streets.
I imagine a straight guy who needs cash and who has poor judgment (or criminal record so that's it's hard for him to get legal work) might do the same. I imagine it's more likely with a straight guy seeking a drug fix and trying all other things first and then hooking as a final option b/c they need the (drug) hit.
BTW, when I'm talking about selling your ass in the street for some cash, that's different from these gay guys pretending to be "Gay for Pay". I would say that very few of these men who do gay porn are 'straight'. They are a different category than the guy in the streetcorner just looking to get some cash for that day. Doing porn where you look like you're loving being fucked is what a straight guy would do.
Jerry Springer offers free all-expense paid trips to be on his show. I've had friends who altered their stories for the money or thrill of pap attention.
r27, you imagine a lot of preposterous things. women are less visual than men and have the innate biological ability to fake it when having sex, unlike men. moreover, the stigma against male homosexuality is so much more severe than female homosexuality that you can't properly compare women faking it with men to men purportedly faking it with men. in other words, gay for pay is a myth.
R30, No one said that a drugged out dude was going to be the one fucking a guy for a cash. Most likely he'd give a guy a blowjob. His body doesn't need to react at all to do that. If anything getting the drug hit or cash for what he needs is the only thing he needs to get thru sucking off a guy or getting fucked if things get that serious.
BTW men and women react physiologically when they are being raped too. Doesn't make them less of a rape victim if they can't stop their body from reacting (e.g. lubrication, erection, etc).
I do agree that these porn stars claiming that they are gay for pay is a total joke. I can see it for guys who are in desperate straits in the street, but not someone who's going to get their face immortalized online.
Lastly, my comment about that there were female hookers who were lesbians was as a response to someone on the thread who commented that women could prostitute themselves since they are 'attracted to men', implying that there are no lesbian prostitutes. That's why I wrote that a woman doesn't need to be attracted to 'males' to prostitute herself.
Lesbians don't get erections to men, R27. Comparing men and women is comparing apples to oranges.
[quote]Matt Hughes is definitely straight, but fucked loads of guys on screen before he went into straight porn.
Read the first part of your statement, and then see how it conflicts with the second part.
Which 2 guys are they? What are their porn star names?
R31, it's obvious you have a fantasy for "straight" guys who fuck guys. You like it. It turns you on. You don't need type out these long, compelling sad tales about "guys who are on desperate straits on the streets". Straight guys get your cock hard. You don't need to defend yourself with dissertations.
A side note, is that how low you think of yourself and homosexuality? I hear gay people being compared to drug addiction a lot and many people turn to selling drugs who are in "desperate straits on the street." Do you believe homosexuality and selling are the same kind of desperate thing? Desperate times call for desperate measures?
I'm straight. Would I have sex with another man for free? In a heartbeat. Would I come back for more? You bet'cha. Do I have a boyfriend? Yes, I do.
You are a personal fool and a denier of so many realities of the world.
Most gay men are not attracted to female genitalia, but only the ones most psychologically marred are in terror.
You can deny that straight men can suck cock or fuck fag hole, because in your comparison it is physically impossible, but you are very wrong.
You state that female hookers, even lesbian ones don't compare when they suck multiple old fat dicks because women are not visual in their sexuality? Read my post at R5.
I believe that you could never get hard or take down your panties for the opposite sex, but don't ascribe your hangups and habits to everyone.
You seem not to understand that sex is for some a necessary function, and it can be learned and kept separate from one's desires. Desperation can make many holes open. Getting sucked off is easy for most of us men.
Read my post at R5 you moron. What has the visual got to do when having to perform oral sex acts for money, in every city and country of the world. You don't know enough to hold such determined opinions. Some people, at lot of them young girls and boys, do what they have to do. And yes they get fucked too? Costs extra. Ever been fucked dude?
Straight male drug addicts in most any city will have the nasty gay sex for cash. Who cares about porn whores. You can have a young twink to the biggest black stud. They are not gay. They might kill you. Not from internalized hatred, but just the opposite. Volunteer in your town.
You are deluded and must be ashamed of being gay and so very misogynist to hold such closed and myopic ideas. You think that prostitutes choose their costomers based on how good looking they are?
There are many countries where a whore is a whore and the boys make more money than the women. Plenty of shame to go around.
You could be concerned about the exploitation of poor youth instead of defending your ridiculous need to believe that your paid companions or porn fantasies actually crave your company.
I ain't no girl or frau or fat dude, so don't piss me off further with any of that crap.
R35, you appear to misunderstand my comment. My original comment was to an earlier poster who mentioned that a straight guy might engage in prostitution if he were desperate for money. I agreed that the only time I could see a straight guy having gay sex for money would be if he were in the street, seriously cash strapped and felt he had no options. Doing gay porn is NOT what a straight guy would do.
Lastly, I only noted that not all female prostitutes are straight. Where am I connecting homosexuality with drug addiction? Where am I saying that lesbians and straight/gay men are exactly the same? If you read my comments you would realize that both of us are in agreement that 'Gay for Pay' pornstars are a myth since NO way would a straight guy go into the gay porn business.
These debates are endless and take place on DL every year.
I would say it's pretty obvious that except in rare circumstances, straight guys do not have sex on film with other guys - even for money. It's not something they would do and they would never let it down with their friends.
If they do so they are gay or bi.
I wonder if the site will sue the show and the guys for using CF image (or images) in that episode?
Jerry Springer showed video excerpts?
What I find questionable is the "gay for pay" dudes who bottom supposedly for the first time on camera.
Getting blown, or even topping - I can understand, but to supposedly show up and bingo, their ass is douched out and they are taking a monster 8" dick up the ass.
And these guys obviously ping too, R42. Particularly the first guy in the clip (Meyer?)
R42, it was the same thing with Katherine Kelly Lang's son last year when he did his first gay porn video for Sean Cody. In his interview portion he said he had never had sex with a guy before, only girls, and yet a few minutes later he was riding a huge cock like it was no big deal.
You can tell which ones are totally straight and only doing it for money, because they frequently keep their eyes on the porn they're being show and don't look down at the guy who's servicing them.
Which is not the case with "Myer."
Myer obviously pings to high heavens - look at his voice and mannerisms.
I use to watch Jerry Springer, but not anymore because its so staged and its the same thing over and over again. But most of all, its complete garbage. How this show has made it for over 20 years is amazing.
However, those reactions by those women when they find out their boyfriends? husbands? did gay porn or have sex with guys is how most women react in real life to such a thing. Most women would not only dump a guy if he dose straight porn, but especially if he does gay porn or if he has sex with guys period. Women want a man! Not half a man!
Also, you have to be a complete idiot to think if a guy is truly straight, he is going to do GAY porn for any amount of money, and taking the risk that anyone can see him having sex. In contrast, without a doubt, I do believe that drug addicts will do anything to get drugs even if the drug dealer expects them to have sex with them. Although, I think the straight male drug addict can have sex with a drug dealer if he gives the dealer a BJ or if he receives anally. But if a drug dealer wants the drug addict to screw him, that is impossible because the straight addict can't get an erection for another man.
Also, straight guys get supremely grossed out at the very remote thought of having sex with another guy. I don't care if they are watching straight porn while they have sex with another guy, they still can't get an erection for a set up like that. I glanced at some trailers for curiosity at some porn site one time, I don't remember the name of the porn site, This guy who runs the porn site films his porn near some military base in San Diego, California, and he gives BJs to myriads of military men in all body shapes, hair color, ethnicities, etc. He claims they are all straight because he puts straight porn on for them to watch while he gives them BJS. At the end of the BJ session, they genuinely claim the guy gave them the best BJ that they ever had, and word has got around about this guy's super skills, this is a major eye roll because the guy was right there sucking and swallowing them! please! and the guys were having genuine major organisms! And again, a military man going on a porn website for anyone and everyone to see them having sex with a guy? right! I think it boils down to this, those guys are gay and they are in the closet. I have heard there are a lot of guys in the military who are gay which includes almost all nations worldwide.
r47, some girls have such low self esteem that they go 'well, at least he is not cheating with other women' or 'well, he gives me a lot of nice things ...'.
[quote]Most women would not only dump a guy if he dose straight porn, but especially if he does gay porn or if he has sex with guys period. Women want a man! Not half a man!
So being gay makes someone half a man, R47?
They are "gay for pay" for pay
Only an idiot would believe that an actual straight man would suck dick, get fucked, eat ass, eat cum, fuck a guy up the ass, and tongue kiss all for a few hundred bucks, or a few thousand for that matter.
Gay 4 pay is a lie and not even a good one at that.
But gay men want to believe it sooooooo bad it's pathetic.
R49, of course not. I should have stated that clearly. Most women want 100% straight man not a man who is bi, closet gay, etc.
Gay for pay is for the most part a marketing scam. Most of these guys are closet cases who need this term to hang on to their 'straightness' and a lot of confident gay guys use it for marketing purposes (because they get more money from johns and clients when they claim to be straight). From all the guys who claim to be gay for pay probably less than ten percent would match the definition of being genuinely straight and have no interest in having sex with any guy for free.
Are women more bothered if their man cheats with another guy than with another girl?
Ew, I'd pay those two *not* to be gay
[quote]Most of these guys are closet cases
I agree. I only have to listen to their voices and a purse falls out.
R54, I think both,but especially the guy having sex with another guy. In general having sex with another is betrayal.Most guys think its just sex, but in actuality sex is more profound and a more deeper union between two people than just a black and white point of view which most women understand. However, most guys can't comprehend deeper than the surface. Cheating on women is deeply painful to them rightfully so.
A guy cheating with another woman also creates the risk of pregnancy, children etc.
If a BF cheated on me with another guy I could forgive him, but I would never forgive if he traded me for a pair of hanging tits!
Gay 4 Pay does exist, but it's rare.
Are "shame" and "gay" synonymous?
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Why is it that most of these dudes claiming to be 'gay for pay' happen to also be non-masculine and display all sorts of gay stereotypical mannerisms, such as a gay accent, gay voice, or a gay manner of walking?
for most, r61
R63 because they are gay.
Of course gay-for-pay exists. In Eastern Europe, (Czech Republic and Hungary) it is a way to make money and not considered a big deal.
Geez, Springer couldn't afford to bring on some better looking guys from the site at least?
On a sort of unrelated note, does anyone know why when a website is advertising a video and they post a group of screencaps, there is often one of the participants posing for the camera and smiling? I see this especially on ones for S&M and bondage porn. Is this supposed to be evidence there was no true rape or forced participation involved?
r68, usually porn clips include a little small talk or chit chat part where the model or models talk to a guy off camera or talk to each other. It's about establishing the model's 'backstory' (gay, straight, where he's from, sexual experiences in the past, what guys or girls he prefers, etc.) or work as introduction for the upcoming sex performance.
There are plenty of older women that will take care of a young hot guy, so why have sex with men?
I,m a gay man and you couldn't pay me enough money to have sex with men I'm not attracted to...especially on Film.
I know there are always exceptions to every rule but, I call bullshit on so many straight men being G4P.
[quote]I,m a gay man and you couldn't pay me enough money to have sex with men I'm not attracted to...especially on Film.
And you couldn't pay me enough money to become a butcher, doctor, or undertaker and yet other people dare to become butchers, doctors, and undertakers. How on earth can that be? Don't we all have the exact same values, talents, likes and dislikes, and the exact same limitations and tolerance levels?
Next thing someone tells me that we don't have the same upbringing and we all do not share the exact same experiences.
Quite frankly I think all that talk that there are butchers, doctors, and undertakers out there is just an urban legend and the people who claim to be butchers, doctors, and undertakers just lie for some fucked up reason. Stop pretending, guys! I know you can't be a butcher, doctor, or undertaker because I wouldn't want to be one!
R71...it ain't working.
R70 wrote: "I,m a gay man and you couldn't pay me enough money to have sex with men I'm not attracted to..."
Well good for you, but it's not about what YOU will and will not do.
R71, apples and oranges. Every profession you listed is respectable and will not come back to bite you in the ass later in life.
Being on film claiming to be straight but sexing men has no positive enrichment for your life.
I also said there would be exceptions but even the exceptions are prob mentally unstable.
R74 you made the hilarious claim: "There are plenty of older women that will take care of a young hot guy, so why have sex with men?"
Oh really? Why have sex with men?
You know nothing about poverty. The need to get a job. The need to get ahead.
You know nothing about other cultures where male relationships are very different than they are in the US. You know nothing about cultures where women are strictly of-limits unless you intend to marry.
I'm not gay, but my boyfriend is!
R66, I saw a trailer as curiosity from some pron site which a Eastern European porn stud, by the name of Goran? I think? He was a major stud! and major TOP. He was screwing the American porn star whose name I think was, Johnny Hazzard? the Eastern European top was banging the American porn star,and you could tell he was loving the gay sex big time!He was very dominate.
R74, ok..my last post. I grew up in poverty in Detroit. Guess what? I went to school..got a degree, got a job and managed to do it all without having sex to get ahead.
I know this is not about me but there are things I wouldn't do and I imagine the same for most people. Now think of something you loathe...now would you do that for a few hundred?
These are grown men. I think they can find work doing something other than selling their ass. All of this is just my opinion and it wouldn't change if we talked about this all day.
74, the point is that some posters declare their own issues, limitations, experiences, and tolerance levels to be the status quo everybody else has to obey without question. That's just not the case.
I am far away from claiming that gay for pay is real and genuine. I am disagreeing with the claim that one's personal issues, limitations, experiences, and tolerance levels are in fact everybody else's issues, limitations, experiences, and tolerance levels. If that were the case there would be no butchers, doctors, or undertakers because I refuse to become one no matter how highly regarded you think they are.
And I am sorry to burst people's bubble, but it's highly unlikely that everybody in the world will become the POTUS or become super rich by having a high paying job. Some people are served shitty cards in life and have to somehow deal with a current situation without having the luxury to think further down the road. So yeah, some people make mistakes that surely will bite them in the ass later on but these mistakes may get them out of a tricky (financial) situation now.
When I was DESPERATE for money once I spent a few days butchering and skinning rabbits.
I would have sworn I would never do such a thing, but when I had to, I did.
R79, touche' ...ITA
I always understood the reasoning behind 'gay for pay' statement as homophobic denial. Obviously, there is a spectrum of sexuality and these guys are bi.
If you 'get it up' for gay, man on man sex, you are not straight.
Funny thing...you never hear female performers say an such idiotic thing.
No man with eyebrows like Meyer is straight.
What the hell do they give the Springer audience to get them to react so strongly and vocally?
R79, sure they would possibly do straight porn for the money which some have done,but I highly doubt they would go that far to do gay porn. Straight means straight.
I don't find it so hard to understand. I did some movies for Sean Cody where I suck dick and take it in the pooper, but I'm still 100% straight and seeing a chick.
You guys are arguing over absolutes. The truth is in the grey areas.
Some of these dudes who claim to be straight are living a straight lifestyle - they have girlfriends, wives, identify as straight - but are clearly bisexual on some level. Not closeted gay guys. Not 100% straight and forcing their way through a scene using porn and Viagra.
But in the middle.
Someone else said it here - no categorically straight guy would *EVER* subject themselves to having sex on camera with another guy unless a gun was held to their heads. And even then they wouldn't be able to get hard.
[quote]Not 100% straight and forcing their way through a scene using porn and Viagra.
I highly doubt this. They get hard because they are into it.
I'm gay and some of these alleged "gay for pay" porn actors do shit that I wouldn't even imagine. They need to stop deluding themselves.
Some people feel very threatened by the thought that sexuality is fluid and there's no black and white distinction. According to them you are either totally gay and totally repelled by the female body or you are totally straight and recoil by the slightest homoerotic image. And since that is their belief it must be true for all of us.
Threatened? More like insulted when obvious gay or bisexual men deplore and laugh at the thought of them being gay when they have two cocks shoved up their ass for all of the world to see.
R90, I'm all for sexual fluidity, or whatever psycho-babble bullshit term is popular today, but when a guy gets fucked on camera with another man he ain't straight by any one's definition.
r19, thanks for that hot link.
r91, ask yourself: is it LESS gay when it's done without being captured on camera? The camera part (the proof of the act being performed) seems to be very important to you, why?
That was so fake and rehearsed.
I do believe in gay for pay, but as the second woman says, there are other ways to make money. Perhaps they are just exhibitionists.
I don't believe they make only $200-$300. They could make that in a single escort session. I can't imagine too many hot guys who would make a public video for $200. Also, they know how much the cite charges and probably how many subscribers it has. They could certainly ask for more, especially if they acted together. They are all brahs, you know.
R94 -- camera no camera -- they're gay.
I do think that "Gay for Pay" is definitely a marketing strategy. But I also think we're missing the point.
Addiction. These men are obviously addicts and expecting rational behavior from someone out of control is ridiculous. Gay or straight hardly matters.
Every month on DL there's another story about a porn star killing himself. I wonder why? Porn is only filmed prostitution and I can't believe, in this day and age, people still think sex workers do it because they want to.
No little kid (gay or straight) grows up wanting to be a porn star ... something went seriously wrong along the way and it's usually sexual abuse and/or addiction.
It doesn't matter what the sexual orientation of the man getting fucked is, he's not having a good time.
I wonder if male homosexuality is starting to become less of a taboo/stigma in the adult industry (and in the rest of society). For years, female pornstars have been expected, if not required, to do girl-on-girl scenes. Now we're starting to see more "bi" and cuckolidng videos where there's some minimal guy-on-guy stuff. And more crossover of male stars between gay and straight.
I'm not taboo, R99. And, no straight guys are not jerking off to gay porn.
On A&E First 48 Hours right now,there's a black gay "family" of 14 guys calling themselves "the Romans". Are these the guys that do the thug porn? The look very familiar.
I don't understand the girlfriend who refused to kiss her man because he'd had sex with guys. As if her lips never touched man meat.
Gay is meant to be laughed at, shamed, looked at with contempt, illness, disease, and hate, R102. That's the reason for her reaction. That's how society sees gay people. That's why gay people are on Jerry Springer, which is a carnival.
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But she specifically asked how she was supposed to kis him now
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[quote]Gay 4 pay is a lie and not even a good one at that.
Mary please! Why because you say so?
This is an old tired debate, but i'll play. I believe in gay 4 pay. Why, well I'm gay and nothing I love more than getting on my knees and taking a few loads. However give me a few hundred bucks and I'll eat pussy all afternoon. Hell I'll even go to town and fuck for a while.
Little blue pill will keep me hard, so that's not a problem. I've also been there before, I didn't come out until my late 20's. I only slept with women in college.
I know many don't believe in gay for pay. For sure the two in Jerry's clip are clearly gay. But I do believe there are straight guys out there that do gay porn for $. Check out some of Shawn Cody's early clips. You can tell the guys that are doing porn just for the money.
OK bitches, bring it on and tell me how delusional you think I am:)
[quote]Of course gay-for-pay exists. In Eastern Europe, (Czech Republic and Hungary) it is a way to make money and not considered a big deal.
We're talking about America - not Eastern Europe.
"Mary please! Why because you say so?"
Right back at ya, slick.
And I'm supposed to believe some clown who can't get it up without chemical enhancement.
I'm supposed to believe some asswipe too fucking lazy to do anything with their lives but lie to a woman, mooch off her and fuck other men on camera for $200.00.
Meyer is not. Gay for pay is obviously a myth. Also, I have yet to meet a non-gay person who believes in it.
I totally believe guys who don't do anything but get sucked and top (i.e., "trade tops") can be "gay for pay." If they do any more than that (kissing, sucking, bottoming, rimming), I have my doubts.
I meant Meyer is hot. He looks very buff on Springer.
It's very easy for straight men to mess around with penis. They are very comfortable playing with it(their own) as well as seeing and being very close to it (other guys' penis in locker room, shower). It's a huge difference for gay men to be near snatch, where there be monsters.
Meyer is not hot, r112.
[quote] It's a huge difference for gay men to be near snatch, where there be monsters.
Not to mention teeth.
r115, that reminds me of fraternity brothers who would tell how their penis had been damaged or made ragged inside certain vaginae and they weren't certain what was in there.
[quote]If they do any more than that (kissing, sucking, bottoming, rimming), I have my doubts.
Katherine Kelly Lang's son got fucked in the ass in multiple positions and rode a big cock like a champ, so I guess that means he's gay!
It isn't all that common quantitatively, but there are "Kinsey 2" guys, who while not specifically attracted to other men, can go through with samesex activity without an "ick" factor. If it's easier to grasp, think of them as bisexuals who identify as straight.
I guess I can't say that just because I couldn't do something doesn't mean others couldn't - but it's really hard for me to figure out how I could fuck somebody I was not into in any way. I couldn't fuck a dog for money - other people can.
(And I hustled my ass all over Houston in the '80s, I get the whole 'make a buck the quick' way thing - but I'm gay, so as gross as hustling was, it was at least something you *could* be attracted to, in theory - not something you're not even oriented towards)