CBS reporter on air in Big Bear: "We have gunfire, get down, get down!"
Live on KCAL 9--heavy gunfire and police telling reporter "Get the F--- out!!"
If it's him, I can't imagine him being taken alive. I don't think an ex-cop wants to be caught in prison.
Dorner is now 'pinned down'
Dorner apparently opening fire on the Road Block
OMG - the CNN reporter, Chris Welch I believe, has GAY VOICE FOR DAYS...........dress
We are talking Paul Lynde on Poppers wearing an Ungaro Dress!
Wolf Blitzer interviewing the Mayor of Big Bear Lake on CNN.
Cabin surrounded; Dorner believed cornered inside. Scores of LEO arrive on scene.
Dorner is kind of a big bear.
So if Dorner gets killed or captured in this firefight, does the guy who escaped being tied up and who called 911 get the million dollars?
Get him!!!! SHOOT HIM DOWN!!!!
[quote]So if Dorner gets killed or captured in this firefight, does the guy who escaped being tied up and who called 911 get the million dollars?
I would hope so, but since the reward said it specifically would be awarded after a conviction, who knows.
One of my favorite prons of all time was shot at Big Bear.
I take it the people who were tied up by Dorner are now OK?
Now the LA Times is saying he's holding hostages, so maybe no.
It sounds like he took the hostages for several days before fleeing in their vehicle.
[quote]Days ago, Dorner broke into a cabin off Route 38, a source said. He allegedly tied up the couple inside and held them hostage until Tuesday morning when he left. It is unclear whether Dorner stole their vehicle or another, but Fish and Wildlife officers knew to be on the lookout for a white pickup truck when they spotted Dorner driving one and attempted to stop him, the source said.
[quote]Dorner crashed the truck during the ensuing chase and allegedly exchanged gunfire with the officers as he fled into another cabin, where he was quickly surrounded by San Bernardino sheriff’s deputies. The source said one deputy was hit as Dorner fired out of the cabin and a second was injured when Dorner exited the back of the cabin, deployed a smoke bomb and opened fire again in an apparent attempt to flee. Dorner was driven back inside the cabin, the source said.
OMG - who is the young reporter on CNN who is pinging all over the place?
KCBS reporting tear gas has been fired into the cabin
No tear gas; they just used a wet-dry vaccuum on Cheryl's pussy.
KCBS now reporting the cabin is on fire
R51, it's Chris Welch. See R25. He had the same impression as you did.
BREAKING! Swat team has entered the cabin. - @CNN
Cabin engulfed in flames.
They were probably given orders to end this before the SOTU address.
Someone on CNN said that the owner of the cabin was watching TV elsewhere thought she recognized it as her cabin and called her son. He in turn called authorities and said that it was uninhabited and had no phone, TV or internet.
News conference confirmed that 1 deputy was killed.
CABIN ON FIRE!
Wonder what the woman is going to think of the fact that the LAPD is burning down her cabin?
Will she be compensated?
How do you know that the LAPD caused the fire, R62? Perhaps asshat Dorner set it himself.
Is Dorner being burned alive???
I think the feds have been in charge there. The local sheriff was giving an interview on CNN. I don't think he'd be doing that if he had any authority in the unfolding situation.
[quote] Is Dorner being burned alive???
We can only hope.
If he were a James Bond or soap opera villain he'd have faked the fire and he'll come back later.
Per KCBS, fire dept has arrived but is being held back by law enforcement
Apparently police officials are speculating Dorner may have already committed suicide.
[quote] Apparently police officials are speculating Dorner may have already committed suicide.
Shown for the true coward he was.
[quote]Apparently police officials are speculating Dorner may have already committed suicide.
Why would he do that? I would have thought he'd want to go down fighting.
I would think so if the cabin is on fire and he's staying in it.
Reporter on the ground says Dorner may have escaped out the back or be in the immediate area.
Anderson Cooper says there is confusion on the ground.
@10NewsCha is reporting that SWAT will soon use bearcat vehicle when it's safe to bulldoze through the wall of cabin.
Dorner update: House on fire, gunshots inside. Police, reporters waiting to see if fugitive ex-cop shot himself.
Wasn't Leo & Lance shot in that cabin? I'm fairly sure it was.
I can't believe they would burn him alive. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Same old story.
Nancy Grace is going on and on about the poor cops. Fuck every one of them! The LAPD is scum, and the ones he was targeting were personal.
CBS news: body believed to be Dorner's found in cabin
Dorner dead. Suicide.
Fucking cunt at R107, the rangers that Dorner fired at today were strangers to him.
Suck on an exhaust pipe and die, nihilistic bitch.
You fucking die,r110, you sick fucking cop lover. this man was a hero.
He had the balls to stand up to our police state.
I don't know how it is in other cities, but in LA, for any cop story, the media turns into police cheerleaders.
Would there even be a body after that fire?
[quote]Dorner dead. Suicide.
The media says...
OMG get ready for all the conspiracy theories...he isn't really dead...he is dead but was murdered by cops before he could exit the cabin and surrender...
Whatever he was a deranged murderer and thankfully died before he could kill more innocent people.
After people in Big Bear heard Dorner was on the run, they came out into the streets of the town. One held a sign, "Don't Kill Him."
"Would there even be a body after that fire?"
Just after they heard that the deputy had died, they set the cabin on fire.
I saw the SLA shootout live, too, and it was exactly the same thing.
Why don't these stupid fucking MEN kill themselves before they murder others since it always seems to end up that way anyway. Stupid attention whores.
Well, honey, I believe they left him in there to burn to a crisp long after they knew he posed no threat. He was already dead. They could have gone in, they could have put out the fire.
He shot himself, or was killed by a sniper. I think he probably shot himself after the tear gas canisters exploded and the fire started. A sniper would've had a visibility issue.
I wonder who started the fire. I say law enforcement did. They figured he'd either come out and they could shoot him, or he'd dtay in and burn.
I think law enforcment let him burn to a crisp. I think they were wrong to do that. he was dead. They should have ended it differently.
You know, Dorner was all the way wrong to go on a rampage shooting people, and that manifesto certainly points to unstable behavior.
But the LAPD still needs to be checked because someone lied on him & got him fired. They need to fully investigate that.
I am not saying LAPD caused this rampage to happen, even tho Dorner himself seemed to blame them. I believe something else would have happened to trigger this repsonse.
Based on that manifesto and other stuff I read about him over the years, he was bound to explode at some point. He was filled with anger. He should have never been allowed to join LAPD. He was never fit to serve. We don't need unstable lunatics becoming police officers.
R111 how does it feel to be a callous sociopath? You are truly SICK. No doubt about it. He killed INNOCENT people. Monica Quan had nothing to do with it. Her boyfriend had nothing to do with it. Plus you sicko, you don't kill people because you were fired.
The LAPD is corrupt and barbaric from top to bottom. What Dorner did was child play's compared to the shit the LAPD has committed on a daily basis.
May He rest in Peace. I pray for his soul and forgivenes.
God forgive him
Thank you R124. I agree.
The cabin in which he spent the weekend overlooked the Big Bear command post.
He probably watched them look for him.
It's pretty easy to be a whistleblower after you are fired. I don't get the blind hero worship for this guy because I bet he would have stayed on with the crooked LAPD if he could have and maybe he could have been a jackboot thug himself. He is surely a murderer and the last cop had nothing to do with the LAPD. Many fangurls are saying he was killed so he couldn't talk..talk about what? He had four fucking years to talk about this shit and he wrote a pretty detailed (and starfucking) manifesto. I think he said all he had to say.
[quote]I pray for his soul and forgivenes.
Hide it under a bushel, Mary.
LAPD just announced that the cabin is still burning and no body has yet been found.
Oops. That was Anderson Cooper that tweeted they had the body
Why don't we know what happened? It's been several hours. If I were President, I would relieve you of your post.
Has anyone gotten to the bottom of the story of the jerkwad newsguy in Tyler, TX who tweeted that he had the official story from LAPD several hours ago?
What I find completely hard to believe is this, Dorner runs from the cops and makes it to Big Bear. He had been adept enough to get that far. So then he sets fire to his own vehicle? That won't bring any attention to him right?
If all that time they had been shooting at every vehicle that looked like his they must not have had he vehicle plates right? Cause all they have to do is run the plates on the suspect vehicles to see if they match his right? But they didn't do that. Isn't that routine?
He could have just abandoned his vehicle parked it in some parking lot or driven into one of the state parks and left it parked in there and within the hour jacked someone else's car and made it out of Big Bear but instead does the one thing that would cause the most attention, set his own car on fire.
The FIRST people he shot were black. Monica Quan sound Asian but she was black and asian. And no one cared esp since he claimed discrimination. Why'd he shoot black people? I know my thoughts are jumbled but I feel that black fans have been lauding him when in fact he was shooting black people. & comparing him to Django.
I bet Chris Cuomo anonymously messaged Anderson they found a body when they hadn't. I love Chris Cuomo. Seriously.
[quote][R111] how does it feel to be a callous sociopath?
You should ask the LAPD.
[quote]I bet Chris Cuomo anonymously messaged Anderson they found a body when they hadn't. I love Chris Cuomo. Seriously
Even though he's a homophobe?
I hope the crazy fuck is dead. If he wanted to expose LAPD corruption, he could have done so without resorting to their level. The hero worship of this fuckwit sociopath needs to stop. Damn, people are assholes.
[quote]I hope the crazy fuck is dead. If he wanted to expose LAPD corruption, he could have done so without resorting to their level. The hero worship of this fuckwit sociopath needs to stop. Damn, people are assholes.
Just admit you're a racist, and leave.
had no idea he was a homophobe. Either I am hopelessly out of touch or you're just messin' with me. Give me specific examples of his homophobia. I don't say that to be confrontational, I just was not aware. It would be terribly disappointing if true.
He could have died in the big barrage -- the cops just spraaaayed that cabin with gunfire.
Worshipping Chris Dorner is at about the same level as people who worshipped the flight attendant from a few years ago who quit his job mid-hissy...
[quote]No tear gas; they just used a wet-dry vaccuum on Cheryl's pussy.
God, I knew that the LAPD were a bunch of evil bastards, but this is too much.
I can't believe this whole thing went down with nary a phone call from Robert Higgins or Captain janks to say they had spotted him. What a waste. I wish one of them had called AC.
R140, in his manifesto he PRAISED Ellen Degeneres for being out and proud and making the LGBT more acceptable to the general American public.
[quote]had no idea he was a homophobe. Either I am hopelessly out of touch or you're just messin' with me. Give me specific examples of his homophobia. I don't say that to be confrontational, I just was not aware. It would be terribly disappointing if true.
He pulled a Elizabeth Vargas, and made Dharun Ravi out to be a victim.
Some guy called KCAL and pretended to be an official with the State Wildlife (those wardens had the first shootout with Dorner) and started off okay, but then got surreal. The anchor tried to get him to clarify and he called her a dumbass
I think r140 was talking about Chris Cuomo.
Andrea Mitchell @mitchellreports
L.A Mayor tells me they did not find Dorner body cabin too hot to retrieve case is still open San Bernardino sheriff will brief 9pm pdt
r147 thank you. So you're saying that a farcical call was made? Nice.
Distrust of the police is much more widespread than many people appear to realize or are willing to admit. It's not exclusively a black or Latino issue. Young white males have also been victims of police brutality. Ask any young white male in SoCal who is a skater or fits the description of a skater ( or even worse a pothead) if they know anyone who has been harassed or beaten by police or if they've experienced it themselves. Young Asian males who fit a certain profile or drive certain cars may also have a story or two.
Many young women of various backgrounds have had some not so nice encounters as well. In fact, a police officer in my city was just sentenced to prison for sexually assaulting numerous young women he pulled over. We have a very famous case in the city of a young woman was beaten, raped, and murdered by a cop after being pulled over one night while driving home. The cop was a serial rapist who used his badge to assault young women. So distrust of the police is fairly widespread.
Someone please tell Andrea that we're not in Daylight Savings Time just yet.
Los Angeles Police Department spokesman Cmdr. Andrew Smith said Tuesday night that reports a body was found in the burned-down cabin near Big Bear, Calif., were [bold]false[/bold].
"No body has been identified and no body has been located," Smith said during a news conference, providing updates on the stand-off with a man suspected of being fugitive ex-cop Christopher Dorner.
Smith said the cabin was too hot for investigators to even enter it yet. Multiple news outlets had reported that a body had been recovered in the cabin.
You know, he could've stolen a vehicle days ago and made it to Mexico. He could've hired on with a cartel.
[quote]We have a very famous case in the city of a young woman was beaten, raped, and murdered by a cop after being pulled over one night while driving home.
Cindy Bachman ..the San Bernando Police spokesperson seems like a real bitch
I'm sure he's alive. He won't let himself be killed until he's had a chance to comment on who whore what on the red carpet after the next Oscarcast.
[quote]who whore what
Your Freudian slip is showing.
R156, I was going to say the same thing. She makes you hate the police department. What a nasty cunt!
Yes, that's the case, R155.
oh oh dear
R157 He's going to be George Kotsiopolis' date on "Fashion Police."
A small, sick part of me hopes that he came out of the cabin unscathed. His background, the setting, and the twists and turns make this out to be a real-life thriller drama that I hope doesn't come to an end.
This country loves a sensational story.
R163 you're too stupid for words
People are bing killed! Yet you seem so entertained??
Killer CHP Officer Craig Peyer -- a real dick.
But the CHP was proactive and positive in its response and in updating its procedures to protect the public.
In a real way -- not in a LAPD way.
[quote]On the night of December 27, 1986, 20-year-old Cara Knott was driving south on Interstate 15 from her boyfriend's home in Escondido to her parents' home in El Cajon, when Peyer, who was on duty in a marked CHP patrol car, directed Knott to pull off the freeway on an unfinished off-ramp. It was later known that Peyer had also been harassing a number of other female drivers in the same area and pulling them over on the same off-ramp and was supposedly trying to pick them up as dates. It was thought that the situation escalated to physicality when Knott threatened to report Peyer for his inappropriate actions. Peyer then bludgeoned her with his flashlight and strangled her with a rope. He then threw her body over the edge of an abandoned bridge where she fell into the brush below.
[quote]Coincidently, two days later, while covering the investigation of the murder, a reporter with KCST-TV interviewed Peyer during a ride-along segment about self-protection for female drivers. At the time of the interview, Peyer had scratches on his face which, as details of the case unfolded, were thought to have been inflicted by Knott during the struggle with her and Peyer. He tried to explain that they were caused when he fell against a fence in the CHP parking lot, but the fence was found to be too high to be relevant to the scratches on Peyer's face.
The CHP now keeps a healthy eye on its officers, and takes any complaints about inappropriate behavior seriously and without malice.
[quote]People are bing killed!
Bing Crosby? Chandler Bing?
I posted this in the wrong place before. Here is a tribute from his fangurl page:
I told u all R.I.P to this man I knew the fucking police wouldnt let this man go alive. I wish It couldof been a better way for this man. I WOULD NEVER REGRET SAYING I WOULD OF FUCKED HIM BEFORE THIS TRAGEDY.... ;
[quote]I WOULD NEVER REGRET SAYING I WOULD OF FUCKED HIM BEFORE THIS TRAGEDY.... ;
I hope she would regret her grammar, however.
[quote]Cindy Bachman ..the San Bernando Police spokesperson seems like a real bitch
Yeah, because she just got done explaining the situation and that it was too hot to go inside the cabin. Then the dumbshit reporter asked the question that she just finished answering, and the reporter more or less said 'yes I know, but' and it pissed Cindy off. She had every right to be pissed.
I wrote something about the earlier press conference in the other thread. I could NEVER do her job-- I'd get fed up with the airhead "journalists" in under five minutes.
R169 = Cindy Bachman
I bet she's still pissed that the CNN reporter Miguel referred to her as "dear" earlier this evening.
The fire is too hot to get the body? What BS. I smell a conspiracy.
You mean Rand Paul, R131
And the one liking Dorner to the escape of John Wilkes Booth is vindicated: this is exactly what happened to Booth, right down to the fire with the authorities on standby.
The problem with the Cindy bitch is you don't lose our cool if they hire you as a "spokesperson" even if they are moron reporters. There were a couple of other law enforcement people they interviewed who kept their cool. She was totally unprofessional.
Ok so they set the house on fire. They say they hear a single gunshot. No one sees him leave. However the helicopters all had to back off due to the smoke, and if you have ever been near a fire the heat is blinding. Whose to say he didnt fire a shot at the wall and sneak out?
And since when is burning a house down an appropriate police tactic. they could have lit up the whole mountain in a wildfire.
Didn't some of the reporters say earlier there was blood outside the cabin? Dorner was probably wounded in the earlier gunfight, making him sloppy enough to crash the truck he was driving. Otherwise he would have gone deeper into the woods. I don't think he was in any shape to try an escape, hence the single gunshot at the end.
Let this man's death serve as a lesson to all you budding serial killers and psychopaths--get some quality headshots taken before you start your spree, and make sure someone is in charge of distributing them to the press.
I think we're all tired of the same 4 or 5 photos of this guy, and there's simply no excuse for it. He stockpiled guns and ammunition, and I'm sure he drove past dozens of photography studios in the process.
Was the smoke white? Are we sure Dorner wasn't just made pope?
[quote]And since when is burning a house down an appropriate police tactic. they could have lit up the whole mountain in a wildfire.
They always do this when a whole slew of highly trained, highly paid, highly armed cops realize that they are still outgunned by a single man who is better.
Funny his remains were charred but not his wallet and driver's license...
Good point, R183. I wonder where they found him. The home had a basement, reportedly.
I googled it and that area is a very remote area. I had no idea it existed. I imagine the people who have places or live in that area are pretty well to do.
After the autopsy, we will learn that Dorner shot himself before they tore down the walls.
They claim they heard a single shot as the walls were being torn down.
Anyone believe there will be riots over this?
Does anyone know what happened to the couple he had tied up and held hostage for several days?
R187, after he left one of them apparently got loose and called 911
So they are safe. It wasn't clear yesterday if the one who remained behind was OK. They're two women, apparently.
Once the media shut up and let the family and friends of the poor cop have the mike, they proved to be a nice bunch of people who celebrated his service and humanity, and did not try to turn it into a shillfest for law enforcement.
If you are watching the service, you will find he was a rocker cop who liked British Blues and Flogging Molly.
"Mom, take this badge off of me, I can't use it any more..."
Dead dead dead
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When you listen to the narratives presented by the police, remember the narratives initially presented by the military about Pat Tillman and Jessica Lynch.
He got what he wanted, the LAPD is forever tarnished.
Yes, the 1992 riots that rocked LA following the state court acquittal of the four LA police officers charged in the videoed savaging of Rodney King – a disturbance that caused over $1 billion in damages and claimed 53 lives – arguably qualifies as “long-ago.”
But long-ago does not apply to incidents within the past year like the woman kicked in her groin by a female LAPD officer in July 2012 who died minutes later while hog-tied inside a patrol car.
That unsourced “view” cited in the NY Times article is not shared by victims of the incidents triggering those LAPD brass community meetings like the skate boarder suckered punched by police, the nurse stopped for allegedly texting while driving who was slammed to the ground by two officers, who then gave each other a fist-bump for their take-down, and the handcuffed man shot by police.
While ‘many people’ certainly believe, or want-to-believe, that LAPD brutality is long gone, perhaps thanks to reforms implemented during that federal oversight period, news media accounts pushing that view without the balance of companion context comprise an element (albeit small) in the constant framing of police brutality as isolated incidents instead of as part of a long-standing, chronic and systemic issue for police across America.
At least that shabbily sourced NY Times article referenced racism and brutality, unlike many media entities that reported Dorner’s rampage without providing context beyond his crazed reaction to his firing.
The March 1968 Kerner Commission Report on ’60s-era urban riots –- the majority triggered by police abuse incidents including the deadly 1965 L.A. Watts Uprising -– criticized the news media for failing to “analyze and report adequately on racial matters” in America that included coverage of festering grievances like police brutality.
Compounding context-deficient coverage, news media reportage on police brutality rarely examines the central role played by prosecutors in perpetuating the problem.
The Los Angeles DA’s Office, for example, pushed one case protecting alleged police misconduct all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court, where in 2006 that court’s conservative majority issued a ruling experts said eroded protections for whistle-blowing public employees.
The case involved a veteran LA prosecutor who said supervisors had retaliated against him after he exposed improprieties by a deputy during a drug investigation. Those supervisors pursued the drug prosecution despite those improprieties and then bashed the whistleblower for providing the defense with details of the improprieties — something that is actually required by law.
That 11/12 Daily Beast article began with an anecdote about LA city prosecutors’ declining to charge officers caught lying about a December 2010 incident in which a woman had been beaten and tazed by four officers, one of whom videoed the incident.
Fired Officer Dorner alleged that his LAPD problems began in July 2007 when his training officer, a female, kicked a man during an arrest outside a hotel. Dorner claimed that training officer and their immediate supervisor compelled him to fudge his official report, omitting the kicking, according to court findings.
LAPD officials found Dorner guilty of making false statements, relying in their determination largely on an Internal Affairs investigation. The IA investigator had interviewed the training officer and two hotel employees, but neither Dorner nor the victim were interviewed, according to an October 2011 California state appellate court ruling that nonetheless upheld a trial court’s ruling rejecting Dorner’s appeal of his 2009 LAPD firing.
LAPD officials, in their administrative proceeding, faulted Dorner for failing to immediately report the alleged kicking incident. Officials brushed aside Dorner’s stated (and it turns out prescient) fears of backlash for exposing that alleged misconduct and also ignored the fact that he had in fact quickly reported that incident privately to two LAPD supervisors he knew ,, whom he also had told about racial slurs directed at him during his police academy training.
Officials also claimed Dorner manufactured the brutality complaint to maliciously deflate an adverse performance evaluation he suspected he would receive from his training officer.
LAPD officials have initiated a reexamination of Dorner’s firing since the rampage began.
Dorner, in an online manifesto posted before his rampage, criticized the fact that officers involved in both the Rodney King and other brutality scandals were promoted, not penalized.
An analysis of the Dorner incident for CounterPunch prepared by Drexel University professor George Ciccariello-Maher and Mike King, a PhD candidate at UC Santa Cruz, concludes that brutality against non-whites remains a “structural function” of the LAPD.
“It is the commonness of excuses for police abuse/murder, the erasure of the victims as collateral damage that should be highlighted when trying to make sense of this broken, rogue, former Los Angeles cop,” Ciccariello-Maher and King wrote.