A number of years ago I developed a back condition that flairs up several times a year. Two doctors have both told me there is not much they can do for me. Pain meds do little to nothing to help. A trip to a chiropractor helps when it's really unbearable. Did physical therapy which helped a bit.
I lost me job because of this a couple years ago. am employed again, but the back issue is considered a pre-exisiting condition and if I go to the doctor nothing is paid for.
I've been having bad spell for the past week. I'm at work with a heating pad and in agony.
Does anybody else suffer from constant pain? How do you manage it? I'm getting to the end of my rope with this since nothing seems to help.
My mommy says, pain builds character.
Acupuncture and therapeutic massage, along with chiropractic helps manage but not alleviate my back pain.
Have you tried hot pads?
R3, what part of "I'm at work with a heating pad and in agony." was unclear?
Are you tender to the touch?
I prefer Pain quotidien to au bon Pain
[quote] I lost me job
As a chimney sweep in East London?
Didn't America get health care reform and that the insurance companies can't pull that pre-existing condition bullshit anymore?
R7, thanks for making me laugh.
R8, many of the health care reforms haven't taken effect yet and I believe the pre-existing condition condition thing doesn't go in effect until next year I believe.
Dealing with my pain last year cost me more than $5000 out of pocket last year. I can't afford to go to the doctor at this point any more especially since they've done nothing to help me.
My husband used to have back pain and read Dr. Sarno's books. Basically, he theorizes that in some cases back pain is really repressed anger? Once my husband accepted that - then his pain finally vanished.
Yoga deals with back pain quite great & heals it. Get thee to a yoga class or try getting some good yoga dvds.
Chronic back pain can also be a side-effect of some kinds of VD.
BTW, I'm not trying to be snarky or to cause you any further stress.
I hope that you can find a pain management method that works for you, OP.
LOL @ r7.
Maybe you have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, OP.
"good yoga dvds."
horrible advice. yoga can wreck the back of someone with no initial back problem if done incorrectly/too fast so the last thing someone with a problematic back needs to do is yoga DVDs....
Thanks for the info, OP/R9. That really sucks. Maybe geting med from Canada willsav you some money? American senior citizens do that all the time.
I thought OP was Popeye, R7.
R12, it's not VD. I get tested for STDs on a regular basis and with the pain I've had no interest in sex.
So far nothing has worked. I got assigned to a pain management program because of the meds I was being prescribed, but pain meds do nothing but make me feel groggy and out of it and don't even touch the pain. I stopped taking the narcotics since they do nothing.
I have an inflammation of my sacrum and the joint occasionally will pop out of place. When it pops, I can't even move.
I have considered trying yoga when I'm not in one of my bad periods, but there's no way I could try it now.
I've been on the verge of tears all day at work since I'm hurting so much.
what you need is opiates and a specialist.
THANK GOD for Obamacare! Hang in until next year and all that "pre-existing condition" bullshit is going away!
I wrecked my ankle and was unable to walk without pain for a couple of years. When I did walk any distance, both my hips and knee joints would become inflamed because my right leg was out of alignment. I had trouble sleeping at night because I couldn't find a position that didn't aggravate the pain. My doc prescribed Desipramine 25 mg t.i.d. on top of the anti-inflammatory (naprosyn) and pain killer. Desipramine is an anti-depressant. For some people it increases pain tolerance. That's what did the trick for me.
Find an Atlas Orthogonal chiropractor.
How old are you, OP? Have you considered surgery to remove the problem?
R22 I'm 53. Surgery can't fix the issue. I've been told by 2 doctors that I would have to "learn to live with it" since I've not had any results with pain medication, cortizone injections and physical therapy.
I'm sorry to read that, OP.
I'm not a doctor, so all I've got is: Smoke copious amounts of pot, silly!
In all seriousness, I hope you find something that helps.
[quote] I have an inflammation of my sacrum and the joint occasionally will pop out of place.
Was that you, OP?
It sounds to me as if you haven't found the right medical person. There should be a reason for the inflammation. And even if it's due to some wear in your spine/unevenness in your leg length, etc., the medical people should be giving you some suggestions as to how to reduce the likelihood of an episode and how to minimise the episode.
For example: taking vitamin D, stretching exercises, strengthening exercises, walking, bending advice, getting an 'eldergay' shopping trolley.
Your treatment/prevention is probably outside the expertise of a GP - so you might want to look for someone who works in the rehabilitation area.
Flair is a pen.
R25, yes that was me.
I know my doctors suck and so does my insurance. Since the insurance company refuses to pay for anything related to my back, finding a decent doctor is very difficult due to the costs. I was doing physical therapy last year and found out 3 months into all of it they weren't paying. Since there is a stress component to my episodes, I don't want to get even more stressed out over medical bills.
R22, pot actually did help when this first happened, but since I'm actively looking for a job with better health insurance, it's not an option right now.
OP: get thee to an osteopath. Seriously. They'll fix it.
My cousin was in chronic back pain for years. She lives in Portland, Ore. Finally she found a really good and experienced neurosurgeon there, had a fusion and was completely out of pain immediately after the surgery. Unfortunately, she needed a cervical fusion a couple of years later (she is in her mid-60s), but surgery with this same neurosurgeon has also relieved her of her neck pain.
I agree with the poster who says maybe you haven't found the right doctor. When I thought I needed a knee replacement last year (I have recovered without it, but that's another story--actually I found a personal trainer whom I continue to see--regular PT didn't help), I went to four surgeons. I did extensive research to find the best people in my area for this (I live in LA). If you have an unusual problem, find out who the specialist is in the whole country in your particular diagnosis (google is your friend) and ask them who they recommend in your area if you don't have the money to go to that expert. Surgery CAN be successful. Good luck. I hope you find a solution.
Went to the doctor with a debilitating chronic pain complaint and was told to "just take Nuprin, goodby." Then I was paid to take part in a "miracle" chronic pain study. Pfizer's new drug blocked the sensation of pain, especially for arthritis sufferers. Sadly someone in Europe had a negative reaction while on the same study which was then cancelled. I had gone from sleeping 10 hours a day to only 7, and feeling much more energetic. Other US patients were literally crying over not getting the same medication, in the form of a monthly injection.
OP, My sympathies. Maybe you can contact Pfizer? The pain study is supposed to resume soon.
The Peggy Cappy yoga videos are great. Helps me alot with chronic pain. I think she has one for back pain. Google her. (She's often on PBS.)
OP - your posts are filled with constant "I I I I I I I I". Maybe if you got out of your cycle of self pity and thought about others, your "pain" would decrease.
OP I broke my tailbone and no doctor in my area wants to do the internal adjustment. At time goes on, the connective tissue gets tighter and tighter.
I've done everything except go on rx pain pills (a distant family member got hooked and it ruined their life).
Here is what has returned normal function to my low back, and my muscles are now more limber and there is little if any pain:
1. Wearing Adidas adissage sandals around the house. They have the hard plastic nubs that massage your feet when you walk.
2. The "bed of nails" back pad and neck pillow.
After all I've been through and all of the money I've spent out of pocket, it ended up being two simple tools for a total of $50 that continues to help me the most.
[quote]I broke my tailbone and no doctor in my area wants to do the internal adjustment. At time goes on, the connective tissue gets tighter and tighter
I've had chronic lower-back pain for my whole life. R10 mentioned repressed anger; my experience is similar, except that it's undealt with fears and anxieties that trigger the pain. The only treatments, aside from preventative exercises, that have really been effective for me have been acupuncture and therapeutic massage.
I've been living with chronic, debilitating pain for years now thanks to a handfull of Rx Ciprofloxacin (Cipro) pills. Completely crippled me! I cannot recommend highly enough that you people stay away from this drug, and all others in its class (fluoroquinolone). Unless of course you wish to spend the rest of your life in a wheelchair & in suicide-level pain. I have no answers as to dealing with the pain, all I can tell you is what caused mine.
Preferably of the indica variety. Those strains are higher in cannabinoids (the chemical compounds that ease physical pain, make you sleepy and increase your appetite).
The whining in this thread is almost as bad as in the fibromyalgia thread.
I said almost.
I sentence you to living the rest of your life in extreme chronic pain. Oops, you already lost your heart (and brain.)
I feel for you, OP. There are some good (and not so good) ideas on here. One thing you can try that is free but a little out there is tapping on acupuncture points. You can google "EFT" which is a tapping program that has had some results with all kinds of issues. (You can also visit you tube for videos of this tapping procedure.)
Good luck to you.
Backatcha R39. In your case, I hope the end comes sooner rather than later. :)
You have a serious condition for which you shouldn't waste your time running it by anybody here.
Eliminate all wheat in your diet for 4 weeks. Seriously. Try it for just 4 weeks, and let us know if you feel different...
R39, R41, Well I certainly have more to do in my life than insulting unfortunate people in extreme pain.
I was in a car accident in 1984, and have had 8 major surgeries (involving more than a couple nights in a hospital) and 4 outpatient procedures and operations over the past 28 years in different states, different hospitals and covered by different jobs and insurances. And I have never been told I had a pre-existing condition that precluded care. Never - although I did have a pre-existing condition and never received even half enough money from car insurance to cover even one operation. So I find it very hard to believe any stories about pre-existing conditions that preclude health coverage. I never lied about mine and never got turned away. So what's the problem?
I have to agree with the other posters who said you haven't found the right doctor.
I had pain from permanent damage to the L3-L4, L4-L5 and L5-S1 discs (surgery wasn't an option)and every doctor said there was nothing to be done and the pain meds they gave me didn't work. I went thru several pain management doctors until I found one that really listened and really knew about the meds oout there. 5 years later, and even tho I'm on daily pain meds and muscle relaxers, most days I have no pain and it's very rare that I have pain levels over a 2-3.
Do you suffer from Fibroelijia Wood?
I asked a friend, who last year suffered from constant pain that drove him to much despair. He found the treatment for it with acupuncture.
So that's what he told me; that you needed at least three sessions with an acupuncturist.
Keep going back until you find the proper treatment. There's gotta be someone/something you haven't looked into yet.
I assume your weight is not an issue, here.
R33 here. I too heard only raves about acupuncture, but I was skeptical. I finally did try it and yes it helps, but it was expensive and I was paying out of pocket.
That is when I moved on to the somewhat uncomfortable at first adissage Adidas (acupressure principal) and the bed of nails. Really made a dramaticl difference and I am surprised. Also, no driving to appointments required.
Much as you deserve it, R38, I would not wish my constant debilitating pain even upon you.
I only hope you grab a clue (and a little empathy) before you die.
"Didn't America get health care reform and that the insurance companies can't pull that pre-existing condition bullshit anymore?"
I never understood this pre-existing clause, which the douchebag health care company rip-off artists have gotten away with for way too many years.
Basically everyone I know has some type of "pre-existing condition"! So who the fuck are they kidding!
At my former place of employment alone, there was one guy who had childhood diabetes so he was diabetic most of his life, two people, a man and a woman, who weren't overweight yet had genetic high blood pressure, another woman, also not fat, with diabetes, basically there are a lot of people have some type of treatable health condition which is chronic. Stomach and heart conditions run in my family.
WTF is a patient supposed to do? Most people in the US, either buy insurance privately or contribute a smaller amount into their health insurance through their jobs, basically we all pay into our health insurance unless we have Medicaid, which does now have co-pays.
No matter what type of coverage we have, are we supposed to happily pay, yet not be treated for our conditions? This makes absolutely no sense.
It's like buying for car insurance, getting in an accident, then finding out that your high priced insurance is not going to cover your car repairs! This pre-existing nonsense is bullshit.
As for your pain. My mom was in pain, on and off, for many years with a dangling disc and sciatica. She went to physical therapy for about six months, twice a week, which her insurance did cover. She's in her 70s.
She's now doing great. Meanwhile her moronic former PCP was giving her pain pills, what an idiot!
[quote] It's like buying for car insurance, getting in an accident, then finding out that your high priced insurance is not going to cover your car repairs!
No, R51, it's like you knowing that your car has faulty brakes or faulty steering, but continuing to drive it until the fault causes an accident, then finding out that your insurance won't cover it.
Insurance is about cost and probability.
"Insurance is about cost and probability."
I don't drive, so I don't know much about car insurance.
I figured the insurer is supposed to find out in some way if your car is a piece of shit or is brand new, before insuring the driver/owner? There must be some way this is done, otherwise people will be insuring cars worth nothing then expecting a big return after they crash it?
My father was in two car accidents, one caused by a drunk driver, the other caused by an asshole running a red light, I was in the car during the second accident.
He was given the amount allotted on his insurance to cover the cost of repairs. Both cars were fairly new, my father bought a new car every two years, he kept them them in impeccable condition.
Have you ever had an MRI to determine the cause of this pain? Saying you have back pain is a pretty vague statement. I"m surprised you're this far into you treatment and can't specify the cause. There might be any number of solutions if you knew the cause.
Health care in the U.S. doesn't sound very good.
OP, surgery and medication is not the path to go for this. Exercising with a trainer, remedial therapy to begin with, building up your core musculature, strengthening your back and activating all your muscle groups to work together is the cure. You probably have a weak muscle group in your back, the body is given to compensate in these situations and cause undue strain. Building up your musculature and regular exercise is the answer.
See a specialist, get a proper diagnostic MRI done and proceed from there. Generally treating back pain does nothing. Surgery only works for about 8 -10 years then you're back where you started or worse. If you have flat feet, look into getting prosthetics to support your arches. Welcome to old age.
Try taking a little more interest in your own well-being. A passive approach to your own care where you give doctors all the power never works.
Osteo is great in the short term but you need to pursue multiple therapeutic approaches.
OP, we all got paaaaain!
OP - I have chronic neck pain from having spinal stenosis, bone spurs, a torn disc, and compressed discs in my neck. This was a result of being in 3 car accidents, one was nearly fatal. I tried all kinds of things to help the pain, without much relief.
I recently had radio frequency ablation on my neck and it has brought the pain down from about an 8 to a 2. I had it done through a pain management clinic and I'm very pleased with the results. Here's a wikipedia link, if you'd like to learn more.
I went to physiotherapy, they gave me some stretches and posture tips that helped. After a few visits the physio did little to help.
Walking (with good shoes) helped for what I had wrong (herniated disk). I avoided sitting as often as I could.
I was busy for one episode and not busy for the other. The pain was actually easier to deal with when I was busy, it created a distraction.
Anyone that says healthcare in the US is the best is a liar. I have seen many cases where doctors in the US are nothing but greedy money hungry slime. If possible I would go elsewhere because I think like everything else a very few get great care here