Not even a gun range had enough good guys with a gun to stop one bad guy with a gun

[bold] Former Navy SEAL Chris Kyle Reportedly Killed at Shooting Range; Suspect Arrested [/bold] A man is under arrest in connection with the killing of two men at an Erath County, Texas, gun range, police said. One of the victims is reportedly former Navy SEAL and best-selling author Chris Kyle. ABC affiliate WFAA-TV in Dallas reported that three sources said Kyle, author of the New York Times bestselling book, "American Sniper," and a neighbor of his were shot while helping a soldier who is recovering from post traumatic stress syndrome at a gun range in Glen Rose. The suspect, identified as Eddie Routh, 25, was arrested in Lancaster, Texas, after a brief police chase, a Lancaster Police Department dispatcher told ABC News. The suspect was arrested later alter crashing Kyle's stolen truck into a police car in an attempt to escape. One thing is sure. If there's not enough of Wayne LaPierre's "good guys with a gun" at a shooting range where ALL of the good guys have a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun, then how will more guns conceivably make us any safer?

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• Wow, all the 101st Chairborne, He-Fraus, I know were creaming themselves to that guy's book. I'm sure after they talk about the Superbowl, they'll tell me it was probably a false flag operation designed to let Obama steal their guns.

• Do they know yet why the sniper was gunned down like that? I understand there was some sort of disagreement, but over what? Did they know each other?

• He killed hundreds protecting their... country.... good riddance...spineless murderer

• But guns don't kill people. . .

  Freeperella

• Dr. Ruth was a sniper -- the Brits finally tracked her down and shot her in the legs to get her out of the tree she was using as a nest. Snipers have their own mindset, far different from the average soldier.

• No one's mentioned yet how HOT the Navy SEAL was?

• The gun nut anti-government kooks think he was murdered - some kind of government hit against the "pro-gun" good guys. After the episode with the crazy anti-government wingnut who shot the bus driver and kidnapped the kid in Alabama and the loons who think Sandy Hook was faked, you'd think the Republicans would realize there is a really, seriously terrifying lunatic fringe on the pro-gun side of this debate, with whom they have affiliated themselves.

• I wonder if it is one of those Wild West type things were one shooter kills a better shooter to glom on his reputation

• They're already talking about that, R2. Saying it's OBVIOUSLY a hit and that Obama's behind it.

• Oh, and other FReepers/right-wing nutjobs are saying it's a "Muslim revenge killing."

• This is why you don't take a guy with PTSD to a gun range. Seems like he might get a flashback than any "healing".

• This guy was a nut. He was clearly obsessed with killing Muslims for Jesus. I'd read a few excerpts of his book and I couldn't believe a publisher would print such inflammatory stuff. I wonder what they left out?

• It only takes one person to end your life. I remember when Chris Kyle was making the media rounds last year to promote his book. I actually put it on my books to get list. Using, buying, and selling guns attracts dangerous people.

• They always say "but RESPONSIBLE gun owners don't do that" - they're all "responsible" until they're not. Instead of considering the notion that some people are too stupid or deranged to handle a gun, they'd rather concoct a falseflag gun grab motive.

• R14, what part of his message did you like? I found him extremely creepy. I found the He-Fraus at work creepier for admiring him.

  Let%27s%20make%20He-Fraus%20happen.

• R16 I was interested in his story and how he became so successful.

• [quote]Chris Kyle (April 8, 1974 - February 2, 2013) was a United States Navy SEAL and the most lethal sniper in American military history, with 160 confirmed kills (out of 255 claimed kills),[3][4] although these statistics have not been released by the Pentagon [quote]Born in Odessa, Texas, Kyle was the son of a Sunday school teacher and a deacon.[3] His father bought him his first gun at 8 years old, a bolt-action .30-06 Springfield rifle That's a big rifle for a little boy...kicks like a mule. [quote]His first long-range kill shot was taken during the initial invasion, when he shot a woman approaching a group of US Marines with a hand grenade in her hand. As ordered, he opened fire, killing the woman before she could attack.[8] [quote]For his deadly track record as a marksman during his deployment to Ramadi, the insurgents named him Shaitan Ar-Ramadi (English The Devil of Ramadi), and put a $20,000 bounty on his head that was later increased to $80,000.[3][4][8] [quote]In 2008 outside Sadr City, he made his longest successful shot, after he spotted an insurgent with a rocket launcher near a U.S. Army convoy at a range of 2,100 yards (1.2 mi). He fired a shot from his Lapua Magnum PGM .338 rifle, killing the insurgent as told in his book American Sniper. [quote]During four tours of duty in Iraq, Kyle was shot twice and caught up in six separate IED explosions [quote]Adelbert Waldron, previously held the record for the most confirmed kills in U.S. military history, with 109 kills during the Vietnam War [quote]Carlos Hathcock, had 93 confirmed kills as a long-range sniper in the Vietnam war, subject of the book One Shot, One Kill [quote]Chuck Mawhinney, holds the highest number of confirmed kills (103) for any sniper in the U.S. Marine Corps [quote]Craig Harrison, British Army marksman in Afghanistan, killed two Taliban machine gunners in 2009 from 2,700 yards with a .338 Lapua Magnum rifle [quote]Jack Coughlin, retired Marine sniper with over 60 confirmed kills whose service includes the Iraq War and Somalia [quote]Lyudmila Pavlichenko, a Soviet sniper during World War II, credited with 309 kills, and is regarded as the most successful female sniper in history [quote]Simo Häyhä, holds the record of confirmed sniper kills in any major war with 542 Soviet soldiers shot during the Russian invasion of Finland in World War II Longest Confirmed Kill: Corporal of Horse (CoH) Craig Harrison November 2009 2,475 m (2,707 yd) L115A3 Long Range Rifle .338 Lapua Magnum LockBase B408 bullets United Kingdom Household Cavalry – Life Guards War in Afghanistan

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Kyle

• I find it's best to give people with PTSD a stuffed animal or to take them to the petting zoo.

• If Mr. LaPierre had his way the killer would have had his name on a national registry of people with mental health problems. That would be sticky.

• Oh, but I thought guns save lives!

• Maybe now the NRA can stop saying that good guys with guns are the only things that can stop bad guys with guns. I'm sorry for this guy's death, but this is about as clear cut an example of someone with expertise and training still being killed by a random person as you could get. At a shooting range, no less. Maybe now the gun lobby will ease up on their idea that being armed will automatically save lives.

• Was Chris Kyle a Republican?

• Yeah r22, and maybe pigs will fly. The NRA couldn't care less about saving lives, they're just a front for gun merchants.

• Free Republic thinks Obama is behind it:

  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2985034/posts

• It never occurs to Freepers that a bunch of paranoid gun nuts might actually be harmful. It's easier for them to think of a vast conspiracy theory of drugging, hypnotism or being deliberately driven mad over the internet. One of the freeps trots out the "these guys were mentally ill" line. Now, if guns were taken off any of these guys, what would the freeper reaction have been?

• When you go shooting guns with friends make sure they are sane enough to be handling a gun. Most people killed with a gun are killed by a gun owner

• indeed. also, what if that woman who was his first kill wasn;t carrying a grenade after all? That's HIS word.

• Original thread bumpo

• [quote]what if that woman who was his first kill wasn;t carrying a grenade after all? That's HIS word. The confirmation process is only about matching bullets with rifles, not verifying the story behind the kill.

• Exactly.

• Pity, the guy shot was really hot

• Kyle's autobiography was unapologetically politically incorrect: During one visit home between deployments, he got a tattoo of a crusader cross on his arm. "I wanted everyone to know I was a Christian," Kyle wrote. "I had it put in in red, for blood. I hated the damn savages I'd been fighting. I always will. They've taken so much from me." Kyle won adulation and a spotlight and appeared on the NBC reality show "Stars Earn Stripes," in which "celebrities are challenged to execute complicated missions inspired by real military exercises."

  http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-kyle-killing-20130204%2C0%2C2043298%2Cfull.story

• A recent sampling of 1,388 Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans by the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill School of Medicine reported that one-third had shown aggression toward others in the last year, with 11% reporting they'd used or threatened to use a knife or gun against another person, gotten into a fight or tried to rape someone. PTSD, homelessness, substance abuse and joblessness were listed as risk factors. In Kyle's book, he hinted at the struggles he faced when combat slowed down: mentally replaying the times he'd been shot, brooding over his mortality, which he pushed away during combat. He said doctors put him on drugs to help him cope with the psychological stress he faced after his fighting days were over.

• "When I die, God is going to hold me accountable for everything I've done on earth," Kyle wrote at the close of his book, adding: "But in that backroom or whatever it is when God confronts me with my sins, I do not believe any of the kills I had during the war will be among them. Everyone I shot was evil. I had good cause on every shot. They all deserved to die."

• From comments: "I hope we find out soon if Routh was taking Psychiatric drugs, almost all incidents of gun violence were related to psychiatric drugs, some veterans are given several drugs to treat PTSD, such as Thorazine, Nembutal, Seconal, Veronal, and Phenergam, we should know how many pharmaceutical psychiatric drugs was he on, and who was his handler or psychiatrist, very tragic and sad."

• I have a great idea! Let's take people with mental illness, give them guns, and take them to the gun range! It will be so therapeutic for them! We can charge them $100 per session!

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• [quote]For his deadly track record as a marksman during his deployment to Ramadi, the insurgents named him Shaitan Ar-Ramadi (English The Devil of Ramadi) Don't believe this for a second. I smell another Jessica Lynch/Pat Tillman fairytale.

• [quote] Thorazine, Nembutal, Seconal, Veronal, and Phenergam, Gad, this freeper's knowledge of psychiatric pharmaceuticals begins and ends with a 1960's addicted housewife's medicine cabinet. Much like his/her social mores are grounded in the '50s and '60s.

• So in an effort to help an ex-soldier out with his PTSD they take him to a .....shooting range???? What a dumb fucker this Kyle guy was. They may have had better luck with a therapist.

  Anonymous

• So true R39. Do they even make Nembutal anymore?

• Yes they took so much from you Kyle and now your comrade in arms has taken so much from you - your life. Dumbass! And what is with the whole Christian crap, like taking some innocent life is okay if you are a Christian. These people are seriously fucked up and mental.

  Anonymous

• It wasn't a grenade!!

  the%20dead%20Iraqi%20woman

• Admittedly Kyle had a wife and two children. But no one is saying anything about the guy who was killed with him, Chad Littlefield, other than he was "Mr. Kyle's friend." So far I've read stories sourced from a few different reporters - they all use the exact same phrase - without elaboration.

  Is That All There Is

• Very fishy. No details. What really happened?

• [quote]Very fishy. No details. What really happened? Can't know -- all the witnesses are dead except the murderer.

• The quote at R35 is creepy; this Kyle dud was loathsome.

• "They all deserved to die." Talk about making yourself feel better.

• RELEASE THE SANDY HOOK PHOTOS!!! THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO GET THROUGH TO UNEDUCATED SOCIETY. WHERE ARE THE PHOTOS? THESE PHOTOS SHOULD BE RELEASED! THEY ARE PUBLIC RECORD!!!

• Hey, r39, he forgot to add Miltownes to his list of dangerous drugs!

• Well Ron Paul just had to go stir the pot: [quote]“Chris Kyle’s death seems to confirm that ‘he who lives by the sword dies by the sword.’ Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn’t make sense.”

  http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/02/04/ron-pauls-controversial-tweet-about-slain-navy-seal/

• From Channel 5 News: Littlefield, 35, was Kyle's friend, neighbor and "workout buddy," and also volunteered his time to work with veterans, Cox said.

• February 4, 2013, 5:05 p.m. The Iraq veteran accused of killing a Navy SEAL sniper and another man at a Texas gun range had been treated for mental illness and confessed about the slayings to his sister, police said Monday. Chris Kyle, 38, a former Navy SEAL and author of "American Sniper: The Autobiography of the Most Lethal Sniper in U.S. Military History," and a friend, Chad Littlefield, 35, were found dead with multiple gunshot wounds at a secluded gun range at the Rough Creek Lodge southwest of Fort Worth. There were multiple semiautomatic rifles, handguns and revolvers at the range, according to an arrest affidavit obtained by WFAA-TV. The man suspected of killing Kyle and Littlefield, 25-year-old Marine veteran Eddie Ray Routh, was gone, along with the semiautomatic handgun he'd likely used in the slayings, police said. But he didn't get far. His sister, Laura Blevins, called the Midlothian Police Department to report that Routh had come by her and her husband's home and confessed to killing Kyle and Littlefield, according to the affidavit. He had a big black truck they'd never seen before, and he "told the Blevinses that he had 'traded his soul for a new truck' " before he drove away, headed for Oklahoma to avoid Texas police, according to the affidavit. Routh had been hospitalized in September for “threatening to kill himself and his family,” according to a Lancaster, Texas, police report obtained by the Dallas Morning News. In that incident, police said they'd found him shoeless and smelling of booze when he told them "he was hurting and that his family does not understand what he has been through." "Police spoke with Routh’s mother, Jodi, who told police that he had been drinking and that he had become upset when his father said he was going to sell his gun," the Morning News reported. On Jan. 19, police took Routh to another mental hospital after a North Dallas woman called police saying she feared for Routh's safety, the Morning News reported. Kyle took veterans to gun ranges as part of his own style of therapy -- to some, controversial. At a Sunday news conference, Erath County Sheriff Tommy Bryant said Routh's mother, a schoolteacher, may have reached out to Kyle to get help for her son. Investigators have said that they don't know what Routh's motives might have been. He reportedly became violent with jailers on Sunday evening, and he was shocked with a stun gun, strapped to a chair and put on suicide watch, officials said. In his book, Kyle wrote that gun-range therapy was meant to be easygoing and fun, with teasing, jokes and bonding over beers and stories. "What wounded veterans don’t need is sympathy," Kyle wrote. "They need to be treated like the men they are: equals, heroes, and people who still have tremendous value for society. If you want to help them, start there. In a funny way, bustin’ back and forth shows more respect than asking 'Are you OK?' in a sickly sweet voice."

  http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-chris-kyle-sniper-truck-20130204%2C0%2C7212375.story

• Both Kyle and Routh are/were hot.

• This guy was a killer, in a sense. I can't feel that sorry for him.

• He sounds like a deeply decent man who did the job we asked of him extraordinarily well, and then went on to help those of his brothers who were damaged during our wars. You should live so well. Shame on you who imply otherwise.

• He enjoyed his job a little too much, R56, and his "Christian" ardor by which he rationalized his behavior is every bit as repulsive as the Muslim fanatics he purportedly hated so much. Shame on you for being such a fucking tool.

• He also claimed, in his book, to have punched Jesse Ventura for making an unpatriotic remark, which Ventura disputed, and was suing him for. Sounds like a typical freeper douchebag.

• I have a fetish for macho rednecks too r54, but Kyle wasn't hot just because he liked to pose with his riffles in camouflage gear. He was pudgy and ordinary looking. And Routh, please, he's a skinny nerd. You have really low standards for "hot."

• With PTSD, a feeling of safety (or its lack) is the key trigger. I noticed Kyle brought his friend along, and maybe Routh felt outnumbered or cornered. Not that they were actually a threat in any way -- he just might have felt they were and it set him off.

• I can't believe Americans praise this murderer. He called the Iraqis savages and that they deserved to die. How would you like it if somebody illegally invaded your country and wrote a book flaunting your pillage and destruction?

• SOME Americans, r61. The same ones who believe gays are immoral and who voted for Mitt Romney. Capice?

• [quote]“Chris Kyle’s death seems to confirm that ‘he who lives by the sword dies by the sword.’ I think Ron Paul has a point.

• [quote] the insurgents named him Shaitan Ar-Ramadi (English The Devil of Ramadi), and put a $20,000 bounty on his head that was later increased to $80,000.[3][4][8] Does anyone wonder if the killing had something to do with the bounty allegedly placed on him? It's shortly after the publication of his book and Kyle seemed rather open in his conduct and was easy to find. If someone wanted to get to Routh, who was troubled to begin with and pretended to understand him and gained his confidence, who knows, he might be convinced to carry out an assassination. How hard could it be to get an unhinged Routh to cooperate?

• yes, one time I agree with Ron Paul/

• Me too, R66. The idea that one can further one's Christian beliefs by shooting people dead is abhorrent. Christians are supposed to love their enemies and forgive them their sins. The "He who lives by the sword" quote comes from the Book of Revelation and is utterly appropriate here.

• Does anyone know why they aren't releasing details?

• ADD media is too preoccupied with L. A.

• [quote] Kyle took veterans to gun ranges as part of his own style of therapy -- to some, controversial Not controversial at all. More like ignorant and just plain fucking stupid. Either way, it thinned the herd