Funeral Monday at Temple Emanu-El at Fifth Avenue and 65th Street whose Rabbi Arthur Schneier had known Ed for forty years, saying "he wasn't religiously observant, but Ed was a man of faith."
One closet case down. When is Lindsey Graham up?
How's he doing?
Sad news, he was one of the good guys
They say you should say nothing but good of the dead.
Ed Koch is dead. Good.
Fucking murderer did nothing when GRID and AIDS were burning through the City. May the devil fuck him with a redhot poker.
Any clips from "Outrage" where his former boyfriend says Koch threatened him with bodily harm if he didn't leave town and shut up about their relationship?
Wait, didn't he come out several years ago?
r10, that's what made him one of the good guys. This is almost as tragic as Roy Cohn died.
Any Elder Elder Gays know who his boyfriends were?
He hasn't had a bf since 1967,
When Ed and Mario Cuomo were running in the 1977 mayoral primary, Cuomo's supporters printed fliers with the slogan "Vote for Cuomo, Not the Homo".
From then on Bess Myerson, the first Jewish Miss America, was at Ed's side in public. Rumors of their possible marriage were circulated.
How many 88 year old politicians do you know who are out and proud?
He is amurderer of thousands of people who died of AIDS. Let us not forget that. Like Ronald Reagan, he did nothing while we died,
I actually liked him when he was on The People's Court.
Give it a FUCKING break about how politicians you didn't like somehow killed people.
Your tiresome rants are played out. Nobody killed you, apparently. And while you can argue that a local mayor and even a president didn't do enough (or enough in YOUR opinion) for a new disease nobody new fuck about and which was being politicized by the gay community, this bullshit revisionist history about how Reagan and Koch killed us off are the disproved, obnoxious and downright false accusations of hate filled loons like you.
Move forward R18. Stop living in your idea of what the past was.
Thank you r20 indeed!
And RIP MAYOR KOCH!!
He was one of the great ones!
R20, you're a Quisling at best. At worst, you're as big a pile of shit as Koch. I have moved on, but I don't forget cowards.
I condole him.
r20, you're a tool and a clueless douchebag. The gay community politicized a disease that was decimating them? Maybe that's because the disease was politicized first by this asshole and others through their indefensible silence and lack of initiative as public officials. Just a hunch.
It's historical record that Reagan and Koch shoved their heads in the sand when the epidemic started. That's why there was this little group called Act-Up. Maybe you've heard of it? (or not, given that you are Republican know-nothing).
And It's a fact that big ol faggot Koch ignored the fuck out of this disease because he didn't want to deal with dying pissed off queers (rightly pissed off) who might call him out for the closet case that he was.
Koch also licked all manner of Republican ass the last few years of his life (clearly your past time).
He was a nasty piece of work. Good riddance.
"a new disease nobody new fuck about and which was being politicized by the gay community"
People were fucking dying right and left, the government wasn't doing shit, and the GAY COMMUNITY gets the blame for "politicizing" the disease? Jesus fucking Christ.
R16, I remember Bette Midler herself endorsing Koch in 1977 exclaiming that he had a beautiful girlfriend - Bess Myerson. There no marriage talk that I remember, she was only the "girlfriend."
Someone needs to define 'revisionist' for r20. The outrage was simultaneous with the times. If there's any revisionism it's that Reagan and Koch weren't guilty of the sin of omission even as children with HIV were being violently ostrasized by their communities.
[quote]Sad news, he was one of the good guys
Saying that he put Israel before America? Fuck off. Glad the ugly fucker is dead.
Ed Koch just a few weeks ago:
“I’m sure that the Arabs are drinking orange juice and toasting Hagel’s good health,” Koch said.
The Mayor says he has no regrets, “it’s wouldn’t make any difference. The Jews were going to vote for him no matter what. And that’s the nature of the Jews. They are always very solicitous of everybody else except their own needs and community.”
The Mayor says he has no regrets, “it wouldn’t make any difference. The Jews were going to vote for him [Obama] no matter what. And that’s the nature of the Jews. They are always very solicitous of everybody else except their own needs and community.”
[quote]It's historical record that Reagan and Koch shoved their heads in the sand when the epidemic started..
No, R25. It most certainly is not. I'm a gay man, and I live with HIV. I owe a fucking lot to people who mobilized in the early 1980s and to organizations like ACT-UP who brought the AIDS crisis to the front of the papers.
That said however, and while I was only a junior high school kid at the time, I went on to study the time and the crisis and I judge history on the facts, not on the passions of the times.
Reagan was slow to react. So were the Democrats, who controlled the House at the time, as well as the Senate during some of that time. They were all scared and didn't know what it was. They considered it some sort of cancer/STD hybrid and it caught them off guard. Nobody knew what to do because the disease was burning through people like a wild fire out of control. But yes, it was politicized. Somewhat, because that's what was needed. But then, as politics does, it got nasty. REALLY nasty; and even unfair.
While Reagan can be blamed for many things, AIDS is not one of them. Did he act too slow? Yes. And shame, shame on him. But your history and that which you would have people believe is that he was wringing his hands with delight in the Oval Office at watching all the queers die. That just isn't true. He ended up addressing it and working to get more funding to research what it was. Still, not enough, but the man responded along with most of the government after they moved beyond their shell shock.
AIDS was then and still his a cruel and horrible disease and it still frightens me. But it transcends recent politics and is beyond blaming one or two politicians for its spread and ferocity.
Besides having to admit that there was nothing to be done for gay men at the start of the epidemic since not one person in the medical field could explain the virulence of HIV or how it was transmitted, because they hadn't even discovered the virus yet, what was Koch to do?
Go on TV and radio proclaiming, "OK you gay guys, you have to stop shoving your cocks up each others asses without a condom. I think it's the mixture of your cum and partner's blood that causes the infection! Fuck all you want, but wrap that meat before getting down to business!"
Nothing revisionist about this... AIDS seemed to come out of nowhere and leave everyone completely confused.
Sorry, R32, was me, R20.
[quote] Sad news, he was one of the good guys
In what universe?
Will his tomb stone say
"Don't Even THINK Of Parking Here"
From his obit:
[quote] While his brother, Harold, was athletic, Edward pursued stamp collecting and photography.
He cruised me once in the late 80s at Avery Fisher Hall at Lincoln Center. It was during an intermission of MESSIAH and he (and his security contingent) and I were racing for a pay phone outside a men's room. I got there first, turned around and he gave me the most intense cruise.
"But your history and that which you would have people believe is that he was wringing his hands with delight in the Oval Office at watching all the queers die."
Stop putting words in my mouth. When did I say any of that?
If you're going to rebut my POV go right ahead. But apply some reading comprehension, OK?
I stand by everything I wrote. I was there. Koch was terrified of being associated with anything gay and Reagan refused to acknowledge the AIDS epidemic for an indefensibly long time. Again - that's record.
Defend them all you want - but you still come off like a pathetic quisling.
R32, that is exactly right and so articulate. People who put Reagan and Koch on the spit as "evil" and with the blood of AIDS victims on their hands are just tiresome and an eye roll. NO ONE responded quickly enough to AIDS because no one understood it. Could Reagan have acted more swifty and more responsibly? Yes. Did he eventually address the epidemic? Yes. Did he let "all the queers die because they deserved to and no one cares about fags, anyway?" Well, this is what victim mentality gays will tell you.
And what, pray tell, is a "quisling?" Is that some sort of bird?
[quote]I stand by everything I wrote. I was there. Koch was terrified of being associated with anything gay and Reagan refused to acknowledge the AIDS epidemic for an indefensibly long time. Again - that's record.
I agree, Koch, like Reagan were terribly fearful of any gay association. They did the wrong thing for the wrong reason and allowed many folks of many persuasions to get infected via ignorance.
Pro or con, Ed was one of a kind. A real NY character. RIP.
[quote]I was there.
I was there as well, R39. R32 and R40 are closer to the truth than you. NO ONE knew what was going on. NO ONE. It was a confusing, terrifying time.
What were Reagan and Koch supposed to do? Tell people to stay out of the bath houses? HA! We tried that both in SF and NYC and all we got was scorn because the guys thought we were trying to roll back what we then called "gay liberation".
I agree, Ed Koch was a NYC one of a kind, but not the good kind.
Koch was a hypocrite. He was a closet queen who loved men and had no interest in women.He did something mean...he closed down The Mineshaft and other fabulous places like the bathhouses. It was OK for him to suck cock and get penetrated but not alright for us? What a phony.
Peter Hammill claimed that one of the NY tabloids had someone tailing Koch at all times to see if he was going to gay bars and gloryholes etc so on. He claims that they ironically found nothing.They caught Koch at the wrong time because he picked up a trick when he was congressman and had to call the police to get rid of him. They of course expunged this from the police record to protect the queeny,old thing.
[quote] Did he let "all the queers die because they deserved to and no one cares about fags, anyway?" Well, this is what victim mentality gays will tell you
What a broken, ugly person you are.
You have no accurate idea of what happened in those years. Your vantage point of peering through the tiniest crack in your closet door isn't a really authentic point of view.
Why was it "mean" to close down The Mineshaft and the bathhouses? Wasn't The Mineshaft a filthy shithole? Weren't the bathhouses places where HIV was transmitted daily? I mean, these skeezy joints were not The Stork Club or El Morocco. First, you blame him for not doing anything about the AIDS epidemic. Then you blame him for closing places where the disease ran rampant. Talking out of both sides of your ass?
Let's try to have a rational drama-free discussion of the facts.
It was a very complicated issue in terms of closing down the baths. (And they have never been shut down, so Koch was not the only one to not go there). Giuliani's war on sex met with great resistance later on.
But that's beside the point.
Koch didn't address the needs of the communities ravaged by AIDS, for a year and a half even refusing to meet with any one to discuss it.
And that was very wrong. And people died who may have lived.
The city should have moved far more quickly to educate people about what was going on and provided services for the communities that were stricken including the gay community, the black community, and the IV drug user community,
At the opposite end of the spectrum was Kramer who, God love him, loved to scream. If he hadn't, nothing would have happened. But it's also true that he wasn't skilled at politics or at working with people he felt - justifiably - angry with. We need people like Kramer, of course. If it hadn't been for him, nothing would have happened. But thank goodness there were also activists who were better equipped to work with the establishment - once the establishment started to respond..
Koch showed cowardice at a time when the city needed to be at the forefront of providing information and services. And it is a great tragic lesson that his closetedness was a probable major factor.
Funny Ed Koch story:
When the subject of female "circumcision" in Africa was a hot topic in the early 1990s, Ed Koch didn't get it. On his WABC radio show, he stated that the US should not interfere with the customs of other countries. He compared female circumcision to Jewish male circumcision. He said he had heard that uncircumcised females enjoy sexual intercourse more than the circumcised. (LOL).
Many men of Koch's age do not know anything about the clitoris, but Koch's homosexuality doubled his ignorance.
A week later, Koch changed his tune on the subject. He shrieked IT'S AN OUTRAGE! and all of those Kochisms.
Someone had clued him in on what female circumcision really was.
"What were Reagan and Koch supposed to do?"
The exact opposite of what they did: which was do nothing for an inexcusable amount of time. That point is so lost on you, you must be a simpleton. But please. Continue to bring up your stupid, over-the-top hypotheticals to illustrate how helpless and innocent they were at mobilizing awareness.
r46, I can assure you my point of view is "authentic." Do you think I borrowed it from someone ELSE? What does that even mean?
And I have not been anywhere near a closet in many years. And I was around during the AIDS crisis years. And I had friends die. And I am no fan of Ronald Reagan. But I stand by my point that, although Mayor Ed Koch and President Reagan could have done a much better job handling the crisis, that neither man was the "gay Anti-Christ." It was a medical problem, an illness, a disease. And the entire country was not dying. As HORRIBLE as it was, the % of those who were "dropping like flies," who were affected and/or INfected, was a tiny number in terms of total population. This doesn't excuse the lack of attention but it does provide some perspective, along with the fact that no one knew what the fuck was going on with it, HOW to deal with it or what to do. (as other posters have stated). Koch and Reagan (and MANY other politicians) would not touch the AIDS issue for far too long. But not JUST because of homophobia. Do you really think that if this had been a white, heterosexual male disease that the government intervention would have been appreciably different, at least at first?
He did a fabulous cameo in Sex and the City!
What OTHER illnesses or epidemics have politicians brought "awareness" to, other than perhaps breast cancer?
R47 I didn't complain about him not doing anything! He didn't close the hetty places at first and that's why he came across as being a self hating queen. It was almost as if he was punishing gays for going out and having sex whereas their hetty counterparts were still able to indulge themselves.
BTW you sound like a right wing asshole. I hope you enjoy your life in the log cabin,you freeper queen!
"that neither man was the "gay Anti-Christ."
again, where are you getting this? no one used those words.
you can't even address what everyone else here is actually saying, can you?
"Do you really think that if this had been a white, heterosexual male disease that the government intervention would have been appreciably different, at least at first?"
Really? Are you that daft?
*smacks palm on forehead"
Snatch it up...8,000 square feet of closet space now available on the UWS.
The Reagan/Koch apologist needs to give his meds back.
If you honestly, authentically believe that men of this character and agenda would do anything to save your life, you are a fool.
Lots of us were there, some of us survived. Stop trying to give these men and their ilk a walk.
Vile homophobe who took wayyyyy too long to die.
Larry Kramer outlived him.
I knew this thread was going to be full of nasty posts gleeful over someone's death. Koch did a lot of good for NYC in general. He did not respond fast enough to the HIV edidemic, he made some big mistakes with the black community, and he did not police his administration very well. But he did put NYC back on its feet. I was also not thrilled with his later life neocon postitions. And he most certainly was a closeted gay man as were virtually all successful gay men of his generation. If you want to know something of how hard it was to even hold a job prior to 1990 in the US if you were out, read Stonewall the Other Side of Silence before you throw stones.
DL really is full of truly angry nasty gay men. What is that all about?
...and Larry Kramer has been threatening to drop dead for decades.
" I'M JAN BREWER'S GUNT MASSUES! "
r62 Look in a mirror and ask yourself.
"He did some great things for this city, despite being a racist, classist, homophobic hypocrite."
Gone to soon.
He truly was the People's Princess.
[quote]But I stand by my point that, although Mayor Ed Koch and President Reagan could have done a much better job handling the crisis, that neither man was the "gay Anti-Christ."
DO you realize that you basically agree with all the people you think you're arguing with? All anyone here is saying is that Koch and Reagan did a poor job of handling the crisis. Some people are just more pissed off about that than others. NOBODY is claiming that Koch and Reagan were gay anti-christs, were happy to see gay men die, felt that gay men deserved AIDS, or any of the other shit you are making up here.
[quote]Do you really think that if this had been a white, heterosexual male disease that the government intervention would have been appreciably different, at least at first?
God, yes. You're naive and delusional if you think otherwise. I don't believe that either Koch or Reagan *wanted* gay men to die--in fact, I'm sure both would have been thrilled if AIDS had just gone away—but that doesn't mean they were comfortable having to deal with the gay community, and it certainly doesn't mean that they responded to the AIDS crisis with the same speed and alacrity that they would have responded to a disease affecting a mainstream, majority demographic.
He gleefully presided over the fall of NYC. Thousands of homicides every year, muggings were an every day expectation when you walked out onto the street, homelessness was made worse by Koch's insistence that there was nothing the city could do about it if crazy people wanted to live on the street in shit on the sidewalk. He was the worst mayor NYC ever had. The worst.
I heart r66.
He was also one of the most prolific Mayors in office. RIP...
Thank you R62. A voice of reason. Because, you know, a person's total worth and life legacy is ONLY about how he dealt with homosexuals.
He became a Republican towards the end. He did a radio spot every week with former Sen. Al D'Amato where they both trashed Obama and the Democrats relentlessly.
[quote]And what, pray tell, is a "quisling?" Is that some sort of bird?
I know it's intimidating, but technology is your friend.
[quote] But he did put NYC back on its feet.
He did nothing of the sort.
I hate Rudolph Giuliani with the heat of a thousand suns, but one day the squeegee men weren't hassling us at traffic lights, the aggressive "homeless" panhandlers weren't on every street corner and crazy people were put in homeless shelters whether they liked it or not. Ed Koch could have done all of these things but he didn't because all he thought about was himself. I have to give credit where it is due. Giuliani put NYC back on its feet. He was also a racist asshole, a union hater and first class narcissist, but at least he did something for NYC. Koch did nothing but call attention to himself.
" I LAP UP MICHELE BACHMANN'S QWEEF SPLATTER! "
***BREAKING*** Rev. Al Sharpton to hold a press conference remembering Ed Kock.
R73, I know what the fuck a quisling is. I was being sardonic, satirical and sarcastic.
Your attempt at snark is, at best, ironic. At worst, predictable.
r71 I'd venture that how a politician chooses to deal with the welfare of his constituents is a fairly important factor in determining his character and performance.
[quote][R73], I know what the fuck a quisling is.
Which must explain why you asked what it meant.
R68 Spot on. The streets smelled like piss even more back then.The homeless ruled the street. It was no picnic. Koch had so many corrupt cronies it was insane.He did balance the budget but I wonder how much corruption went into his friend's pockets.Was he a Quisling? I always thought he was a collaborator/quasi-moderate when he was congressman. When he was mayor it became more obvious when he shut down the fabulous sex clubs.
Maybe Abe Beame was worse but his reign of terror was short lived whereas Empress Edwina ruled for over a decade.
Sad to see these apologists for indifferent politicians like Koch and Reagan. Next up they'll start defending the indifference of the German people for letting the holocaust happening.
That Koch and to a larger extent Reagan didn't consider gay people and gay Americans a part of their community or worth saving in response to a public health crisis is crime enough. That Koch was closeted and distanced himself further to protect himself is sickening.
People who think 7 or 8 years of total silence and inactivity is somehow excusable make me sick.
[quote] People who think 7 or 8 years of total silence and inactivity is somehow excusable make me sick.
Oh I don't know r72, he was a major Hillary fan.
He went in and out of dementia.
He was a real mixed bag as mayor. He had a great first term after the city had been nearly run into the ground during the disastrous Abe Beame years, but he later terms were marked too much by corruption and cronyism, and Koch was incredibly deaf to his black constituencies.
He did nothing during the AIDS crisis, and whether that had to do with his own closetedness or simply ignorance or unsureness what to do, that does not excuse him. When thousands of your constituents are dying during a plague (any plague), as mayor of a large city you are required to do [italic]something.[/italic] Certainly he did not behave outwardly homophobically during the crisis (the way William F. Buckley and Abe Rosenthal did), but his inactivity was still inexcusable.
David Ehrenstein goes ALL CAPS in a comment on the Gawker story about Koch's death, revealing the Mayor's alleged lover's name. Scroll down for his comment.
[quote]And what, pray tell, is a "quisling?" Is that some sort of bird?
Vidkun Quisling was a Norwegian politician who collaborated with the Nazis so he could be the leader of his country when it fell to Hitler. A "quisling" is a traitor or collaborator with the enemy. It was a widely-known term in the decades immediately following World War Two.
A "dodo" is some kind of bird but that is not the only meaning of the term.
r87, his name and photo are in r83/84 links.
[quote]David Ehrenstein goes ALL CAPS in a comment on the Gawker story about Koch's death, revealing the Mayor's alleged lover's name. Scroll down for his comment.
Well, knowing DE, he's just starting his weekend bender a few hours early.
The Voice of the Night
The smurfs are finally safe!
r58, as an adult Ed lived in the Village. At 2 Fifth Avenue when he died.
R87, are you the David Ehrenstein cheerleader? Please STOP.
I'm nobody's cheerleader, R93. I thought some DL readers might be interested that Ehrenstein's crazy as ever, as VOTN pointed out.
He's fine! He sends his love!
[quote]after the city had been nearly run into the ground during the disastrous Abe Beame years
I hope people don't think Abe Beame was the cause of those years. He did a pretty damn good job a fixing a mess he didn't make, and laid the foundation for recovery.
[quote] David Ehrenstein goes ALL CAPS in a comment on the Gawker story about Koch's death, revealing the Mayor's alleged lover's name. Scroll down for his comment.
OK, whichever one of you bitches went onto Gawker and replied to his comment with "Why are straight me so stupid?" gets a fucking gold star.
Hats off to you, bitch!
He had a flabby wrinkled ass, but I guess he didn't live forever.
I have to agree with Ehrenstein this one time. I'm glad he spoke up about Koch.
[quote]And what, pray tell, is a "quisling?" Is that some sort of bird?
If only there were some way to find these things on the internet...
"Bess Myerson, the first Jewish Miss America"
First Jewish Miss America?!? The ONLY Jewish Miss America in 90-something years. Perhaps even the only Jewish contestant!
Btw, WEHT Bess Myerson? Has she commented on Ed's death?
I missed the Ehrenstein meltdown years at DL, and I can see from the comment he's probably one hot mess.
However, good on him for putting it out there.
"[R73], I know what the fuck a quisling is."
Then why would you have asked what the word meant and guess that it was a bird?
I was getting mad at the covering for Reagan and Koch and then the "what is a quisling" line....so I assume that rant was facetious?
"Btw, WEHT Bess Myerson?"
Bess moved to Florida after she went nuts in the "Bess Mess," became suicidal, broke her leg very badly, had cancer, then decided to resign from being a public spectacle.
Don't expect a comment.
The death of any of the Koch brothers is reason to celebrate.
Pat Thaler, Ed's sister was interviewed on television. Who knew he had siblings!
When anyone know Richard Nathan and when did he die?
Dick Nathan was cast aside like some stranger. What a dick Koch was. The city was still a shitty place when he was mayor. What a hypocritical cunt.
His fake relationship with Bess Myerson was more comical than the Gest/Minelli union.When Bess and The Closet Queen held hands it looked like Koch was squirming.
I can play him in the HBO biopic!
LOL! SSTerri replied to David E on r87's link. Good stuff.
I think when Ed heard that Jim Nabors was off the market, it just sent him over the edge.
[quote]LOL! SSTerri replied to David E on [R87]'s link. Good stuff
And someone else asked him his signature DL classic blooper - "why are straight me so stupid?"
David E's comment on gawker:
[quote]So glad you're noting his was a vicious closet queen. The only ting you failed to mention was that IN ORDER TO FURTHER HIS POLITICAL CAREER HE DROVE HIS LOVER RICHARD NATHAN OUT OF THE CITY AND WHEN NATHAN SEROCONVERTED LEFT HIM TO DIE OF AIDS ALONE.
"his wasa vicious closet queen"? "ting"? ROTFL!
I'm delighted to know that even though he's long gone from Datalounge, he still is three sheets to the wind early on a Friday morning.
The HUGE NY Times obituary had one passing reference to aids and they had to revise the obituary.
The following comment resulted:
"Boy, the GLBT has really hijacked the topic of this man's death for their own political agenda eh? The body is not even cool yet. Phht, what a nerve!"
[quote] As HORRIBLE as it was, the % of those who were "dropping like flies," who were affected and/or INfected, was a tiny number in terms of total population. This doesn't excuse the lack of attention but it does provide some perspective,
You want some perspective? 20,000 Americans were dead from AIDS before Reagan uttered the word. Compare that to the US government's response to 911.
[quote]Do you really think that if this had been a white, heterosexual male disease that the government intervention would have been appreciably different, at least at first?
Are you fucking serious? There's no need to speculate. Look up the government's response to the first outbreak of legionella.
Bump it with a trumpet!
I was reminded today (on the Internet of course) that a bunch of people really blamed AIDS on gay men. Bummed out.
I wasn't old enough to get Koch's mayorship but glad at least he did a few positive things for gay rights in his later years.
[quote]but glad at least he did a few positive things for gay rights in his later years.
Such as... ?
Great.. Now I'm getting it from both sides. He came out in support of gay marriage in 2009. According to this HuffPo article, while in office he "introduced several anti-discrimination bills, elevated openly gay staffers and created the city’s Office of Gay and Lesbian Health Concerns." Maybe that's all I got.
Kind of interesting the AP story (featured on Al Jazeera, fox, Boston Herald, LATimes, etc) includes the line:
"Koch was a champion of gay rights, taking on the Roman Catholic Church and scores of political leaders"
Well did he?
More about the boyfriend who died alone, please.
Where is d.e. when you need him?
And here we are 30 years later with barebacking rampant and teens and 20 somethings still getting infected.
And some of you are mad at Koch? Who are you blaming right here, right now in 2013?
You are so, so right to scold all the other posters, r126. Why, you would think they were under the mistaken assumption that this thread is actually [italic]about[/italic] Ed Koch and his legacy!
Lifelong New Yorker here. I would say, hands-down, Ed Koch was the best mayor of NYC in my lifetime. OK, considering what crap all the others who came after him were, it makes my first statement faint praise indeed. But I will add that Mayor Koch accomplished one thing that I consider somewhat of a miracle: he practically eliminated graffiti in the subways.
Koch called Donald Trump piggie.
I don't expect Donald to make any remarks about Koch's death.
Also a lifetime New Yorker, and i would say Koch was the worst mayor of my lifetime--except perhaps Beame. Besides fighting the gays all his terms, and doing nothing for AIDS, he was an unmitigated economic disaster. A silly man who was all about posing and nothing about the grit of the city. Just a closeted fool.
Was Richard Nathan a graphic designer whose brother was also a graphic designer?
[quote]He became a Republican towards the end. He did a radio spot every week with former Sen. Al D'Amato where they both trashed Obama and the Democrats relentlessly.
Only because he was a neo con and Likudnik dirtbag who felt Obama wasn't groveling enough before Israel. He made that quite clear, so any asshole who says otherwise is full of shit.
He eventually supported Obama (like anyone should give a shit who that fugly gargoyle supports) because of some "rah-rah" Israel speech given by Obama. Heaven forbid his endorsement should be based on DOMESTIC issues.
R130 amen to that. I remember how bad Beame was. An absolute disaster BUT Ed Koch was highly ineffectual. What a vain,vapid and closeted man he was. And a shitty mayor to boot.
R127, my point was that no matter what Koch would have said or done, the course of history for HIV/AIDS would not have changed at all. There was no magic wand for him to wave that would have prevented any deaths or eradicated the disease. People are still getting infected and dying.
Has Larry Kramer made a statement yet?
R134, have you ever heard the phrase "damn him with faint praise?"
For more on Dick Nathan, the boyfriend that Koch forced to leave the city, look at the film Outrage posted at R84 and R85.
the world is a vampire, but the blood is tainted, the leeches will die by the sword. its a tragic end to a history that evolved into nothingness. and era of internet, video games and addictive drugs distracts while illuminati set the stage for the final act. God help us all!!
Aids...gay population control? it never worked. they r working on the next one..
He was a jerk, let's just admit it. Not a person we could be proud of.
R130, you don't remember Lindsay?
While you guys verbaly assault each other from your pro-Koch & anti-Koch camps, I would like to add some perspective.
Like him or not, Koch was the last "good" mayor, and by good I mean that he left the city in better shape than he inhereted it. Since Kock we had four miserable years under Dinkins and then a complete sterilization and stripping of New York's soul under Giuliani. Giuliani set the table for Bloomberg, who has simply moved forward with a global money-centric vision of New York akin to Hong Kong or Beijing.
Koch had his faults; I lived smack in the center of the West Village in the 80's so I am well aware of the AIDS crisis, but still he was a mayor that believed in allowing New York's diversity and individuality some breathing room. He did not organize Gestapo-like sweeps of the village like Giuliani did. He did not sweep the freaks and the marginal under the rug to make room for corporate money and big business. He did not ban smoking in parks like Bloomberg.
Then again, he was a product of his times. There was no 9/11 there was no Disney on 42nd Street, there was no Williamsburg mecca. There was no $3000 rent. The GW wasn't $12. I'm not sure how he would handle New York today. I only know he was the last good mayor New York has seen.
"Oh my God. I'm back. I'm home. All the time, it was... We finally really did it ... You Maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!"
We are switching to the new platform for The DataLounge this weekend. All of our mobile users have been using it for over a week and all first time users have been using it for about a month - which adds up to well over one million users. So we're ready to end this phase of the testing and move everybody to the new site. (more)
And yes, we've changed the look and some of how it operates.
Yes, we know you just *hate* it in well in advance.
Yes, we know we suck.
Yes, we are the biggest suckers that ever sucked.
But it was time for a change and with the huge shift to mobile it was long overdue. We've taken this opportunity not only to update the look but also make major changes under the hood (or "bonnet" if you're either British or pretentious or both). And we have to prepare for 2016 - a presidential election year where we can normally expect to see a 60% jump in traffic (yes, we've seen 5 presidential elections so far…Christ we're old).
The site has a bunch - nay, plethora - of new features which will make the site more usable: better search, the ability to ignore posters and threads, see link previews, to pick up a thread where you left off, spam and malware filtering and more.
If you want you can go explore and see for yourself, Click here.
And while running the tests we've noticed two interesting reactions to the new system - people are spending more time on the site and more people that come stay around longer and look at more stuff. Both good things. Yay!
Possibly we've not slain all the dragons and there will be issues that come up during the switchover. There's a help button in the lower right hand corner of the page which you can use to send us bug reports.
Please include as much information about the hardware (PC, Mac, Tablet, Phone etc), operating system (Windows, Mac OS, Android, iOS etc) and browser (Chrome, Safari, Opera, Internet Explorer etc) that you are using as possible to help us replicate and fix the problem.
Please note that complaints about colors, fonts, icons and the like are not "bugs" - they are design choices that we've made and we expect one or two cases of world-class bitching. But they won't actually cause headaches, scurvy, heart attacks, Restless Leg Syndrome, Morgellon's Disease or the vapors (but have your smelling salts at hand just in case).
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