So now the "in" thing is for straight kids to come out as gay, because being gay is cool.

I overheard these two ostensibly straight teen guys chatting on the gym floor last night. They were talking about one of their male classmates who is straight but who has decided to proclaim that he's gay because the really cool lead singer in some indie rock band that he worships is gay. I was flabbergasted. The classmate is apparently straight and has no desire for cock, but is saying he's gay in order to identify with this singer. They went on to say that they heard about some other straight teenage guys and chicks they know who "came out" because they think it's cool to identify as gay. Is this something new? I've never heard of this before? Do you find this the least bit insulting? Real gay kids go through so much crap, and for some straight kid to say he's gay just because it's cool to be gay is totally insulting. Your feelings on the matter?

• This never happened.

• um, yes it did, hon.

  OP

• Bi was the thing when my niece (now 24) came out as bi 8 years ago.

• [quote] The classmate is apparently straight and has no desire for cock Now, THIS never happened.

• This, indeed, never happened. If it did, it happened in a different way than presented here.

• Sounds like a complete fantasy

• For the last time, yes this did happen. These guys were teens and were discussing it. They also wondered if he was gay, but then mentioned that he dates chicks. Is it trendy to be gay? Maybe he's in denial, but I'd think a kid in denial would do just the opposite and steer clear of everything and anything gay.

  OP

• I think the kid you overheard the teens talking about IS gay. It's the first step in a trial run of coming out for him.

• Why would a straight male teenager proclaim an identity that would prevent him from getting attention from girls? It would never happen. If the story is true, then obviously the kid is actually gay and this is just his clumsy way of coming out.

• My feeling is this story is fiction.

• What an Exciting Sensational Tale!

• I knew a few girls in middle school and high school (in the 90s) who claimed they were lesbians in order to be seen as edgy or unique. I've never heard of a guy doing it, though.

• Only idiots and infants would copy their idol in that manner.

• Name the band or this never happened.

• Oh you guys :-> This really did happen. Staying with my mom this week in suburban NJ while she recovers from the flu, so I went to a gym in her area. Maybe it's some kind of suburban rebellion thing. Or maybe the kids were making it up, but I heard what I heard. Just wanted to share and get your thoughts or see if anyone has heard of this phenomenon.

  OP

• .01/10. Another gayling thread confusing ridiculous fantasies for provocative discussion.

• It truly did happen! Then I fanned my muumuu on the way to the changing room and one of the boys followed me!

  OP

• Kids do and say all sorts of weird things. They're kids. That's no reason to call OP a liar. I vote that the kid really is gay, wants to come out, and told his friends some half-assed story to get their reaction.

• I thought it would make for an interesting discussion about sexual identity and labels. I guess the endless Anne Hathaway and "let's post pictures of guys presenting..." threads are more condusive to intelligent discussion. My bad.

  OP

• This is a homophobic fantasy. The rumour is probably making the rounds, but it is not really happening. Straight children are not seduced into the gay lifestyle against their better judgement.

• Why do most of you not believe the Op? I can believe this happened. I, too, think it's quite insulting to those kids at the school who are actually gay. Like someone else said upthread, I've heard of girls doing this sort of thing, but never guys.

• I could imagine some straight kids thinking the gay students are getting too much attention if a school is openly supportive of coming out and embracing diversity. I could also imagine a clever horny straight boy figuring he can get closer to girls by saying he's gay. Their guards are then down and many times they fall for their gay friends anyway so he can say he's never felt this way about a girl and wants to explore his sexuality. Haven't college guys pulled this ruse?

• [quote]So now the "in" thing is for straight kids to come out as gay, because being gay is cool. I remember Bowie causing the same reaction among many of my straight contemporaries in high school. In college, such a reaction gave us the first LUGs.

• I believe Op heard this exchange...but I don't think for a second that being gay is the new 'in' thing for straight kids. Moronic thing to say.

• Wishful thinking to a new extreme.

• [quote]Is this something..? No. It's something very rare, if it even happened at all. Being gay is still very much disfavored. We are still legally and culturally unequal and as the most openly disparaged minority, we're still the very bottom of the totem pole. "Gay" still means uncool, stupid, awful, in young people's slang. Try substituting any other minority in that construction. Every few years since the 90s, probably since the early 70s really, someone has seen fit to announce that being gay is the new cool thing and that the next generation is fine with it. Though things certainly have steadily improved, most gay people--even the younger ones-- still face minority stress, legal inequality, discrimination, even violence, for being gay. Fact. If this thing happened at all, they're an unusual group of kids.

• [quote]overheard these two ostensibly straight teen guys chatting on the gym floor last night. They were talking about one of their male classmates who is straight but who has decided to proclaim that he's gay No. No, you didn't.

  BeGone%2C%20troll

• E xtremely S ensational T ale

• A straight dude is never falsely gonna claim to be gay or even bi, sorry ain't gonna happen. Because being a gay or bi male is NEVER EVER gonna be considered cool or trendy in this culture as apposed to being a bi or lesbian female which is considered hot hip or trendy. The main reason is thanks to flaming gay men, gay male culture is SYNONYMOUS with feminity and a loss of masculinity. We can thank all the girly, feminine gay men for this. They ruin it for everyone else.

  anonymous%20

• My 17 year old niece just decided she was a lesbian.

• What R22 said only happens in movies.

• I think it is quite possible that OP overheard this conversation. Rumours fly in HS, about everything, and most of them are false. I doubt it is true that a boy has said he's gay in order to identify with a band singer. I think this is a made up story, but not by OP. By the high schoolers.

• [quote]We can thank all the girly, feminine gay men for this. Oh, go fuck yourself, r29. i guess a violent, reactionary culture has nothing to do with it. The horrible discrimination gay men face is all because they're so... swishy, Hater, please die. Thx.

• They might have been speculating that a guy they know is only "acting gay" to be like some singer. But no straight guy has ever pretended to be gay. That only happens in cheerleaders locker rooms in sitcoms.

• This never happened.

• NO [R29] Your parents ruined it for everyone else when they had you.

• This is something that I could logically see happening , I mean if we achieve a society where gay discrimination becomes rare and taboo it isn't surprising that shit like this might happen. Some dumb kid pretending to be gay for a while to fuck with people? Stop the presses! This is not something I see happening in highschools today. Even if you did hear this, they were probably just joking around. You can't think every comment you overhear is meant to be taken seriously.

• R29,nails it !

• If by "it" you mean "sounding like a bitter self-hating eldergay dumbass," then, yeah, r38, he sure nailed it.

• Receipts, please!

• Sadly r29 is correct. I know many masculine young gay men who feel like they can't relate to femmintes

• R39 dude I'm in my 20's and PROUD of my natural masculinity as well as my homosexuality, they can coexist. The truth hurts.

  R29

• Strangely enough, we had an after-dinner conversation about just this topic last weekend. And this is the first time I have seen this thread - days later. A friend of ours stated that his cousin (who is a middle school teacher here in Miami) said that students are claiming to be gay in order to be cool - it's the "in" thing. While I did not give it much thought except to think it was silly, now I am beginning to realize something is up now that I see this thread. This is really bizarre!

  Anonymous

• R42, you are helping young masculine gay guys a lot

• Oh for crap fuck's sake. Gay people of any gender can be masculine or feminine - be what you feel good at being and don't be threatened by those who idenitify the other way. This isn't rocket science. It's obvious some of us are born more femme and some are born more butch and We ALL have shades of grey (or lavendar, if you will) in between. The point is no one, NO ONE has the right to judge someone else's gender expression or make them feel less for it. NO ONE. It's really not that hard to be compassionate and make room for people unlike yourself. Who wants to hang around a bunch of clones anyway? Diversify your people portfolio. Learn new things. Meet new people. Don't be intimidated by "those" ones over there, go over and join them and laugh and love. Lighten up people. Your world will be better for it.

• R44 thanks sometimes I feel like the only one. I'm also sick of telling people that I'm gay and people asking me if I'm joking or fucking with them. Just the other day some chick in my job, one of about 4 women that work there, told me that she never met a gay man like me before. That I'm more masculine then most straight guys she knows and that I must be bi, cause I couldn't possibly be 100% gay.

  anonymous%20

• Homophobes like r29 - and yes this IS internalized homophobia, bitch- are simply mimicking misogyny. You scared little uber-mach femme hating boyes could learn a thing or two from the women's movement. If you think your macho airs are protecting you from being treated as an outsider when the time comes -you're wrong. And it's not our gay sisters and brothers who are bring the shit down on your head. It's the same rich old straight white guy who will tolerate you to a point, make you feel like your just equal enough so you don't complain too much, and then DUMP your ass by the side of the road when it really matters. Don't fool yourself honey. You may be "naturally" macho, (LOL at the idea of anyone being naturally uber-anything- it's all roles we play) but you have no business knocking people for being who they are either.

• I believe it, OP

• R47,call the fire department because u is f laming

• R47 just because you failed at life at being a man don't take it out on the rest of us. Is it your time of month or something? Don't hate on my because I'm both proud of my masculinity as well as being proud to be openly gay.

  anonymous%20

• Masculinity? It's all an opinion and you know what opinions are ...

• This happened in that movie where Kevin Klein is gay and all the school kids (and his mother Ddbbie Reynolds) stand up and announce that they're gay.

• R47 gay men don't need to learn shit from the women's movement The entire women's movement is anti male and is designed to keep the gay man down. The women's movement was started by radical lesbians to further their lesbian cause and to bash on men, even gay men.

  anonymous%20

• Not for one minute do I believe that ANY straight teenager would "come out" as gay just to appear "cool." Considering how much shit gay teenagers have to take, no staight kid in his right mind would ever do such a thing. And that crap about "the really cool lead singer in some indie rock band that he worships is gay" and how the classmate is "apparently straight and has no desire for cock, but is saying he's gay in order to identify with this singer." Can't the OP come up with anything even remotely more plausible than that? This whole tale is pure horseshit.

• So wrong r53 -- the feminist movement might have had some lesbians at the beginning, but Gloria Steinem and her friends purged them in the early 70s. As with Gloria's friends in the NY "socialist" crowd, they were not interested in freedom and civil rights, only that they would be given a table at the country club -- that was their real goal all along, and they threw anyone under the bus to get it.

• Thanks r45 and r47. r46 obviously trolling and egging but it's still nice to read words like yours

• "Why do most of you not believe the Op?" Because his story is too ridiculous to be believed. That's why.

• "I could also imagine a clever horny straight boy figuring he can get closer to girls by saying he's gay." How is he going to relieve his "horniness" if he tells the girls he's gay? Does he think if he tells them he's gay they'll try to "cure" him? That sound like something out of a tv sitcom.

• Rumors like this probably start by some foaming at the mouth closet case preacher implying that all gay kids are really just straight kids who thought it was cool to be gay, seduced by the evil of peer pressure. Some kid heard it and tried to apply it to kids of their acquaintance. Parents believed it because they couldn't believe there are so many gay kids among the youth, not the 1 to 3% they'd been led to believe. But the only place you would normally see this behavior is the fourth and fifth grade when the opposite sex is still "icky."

• [quote] I know many masculine young gay men who feel like they can't relate to femmintes Uh, that's your problem. Relate to whomever you relate to. Don't to those you don't. No skin off my ass. Just stop trying to blame other people for your problems. (And surely someone else's effeminacy doesn't prevent you from learning to spell. Perhaps the problem is you're just dumb?) If it helps you to imagine that there are thousands upon thousands of hot straight guys who would be just DYING to sleep with you if not for those pesky [childish epithet posted by a bigoted tool] gay men, well, carry on, r29 and others. It just seems SUPER pathetic, not to mention irksome. That's all. Grow a pair, man up, and stop blaming other people for your "problems".

• R60 I know for a fact that a lot of these hot straight guys, some ofy best friends, would NEVER hook up with me because they're fucking straight! Unlike most gay men I'm not delusional about straight guys and I know that they would kill for pussy. Just like gay guys would kill for some dick. And it's always the flamers who hit on, and don't respect the sexual orientation of others, straight guys. And then they cry homophobia like a little bitch when they're rejected.

  anonymous%20

• I'm not sure why you guys think OP is an EST or at all unlikely. Kids claiming to be "bi" or "gay" just to seem edgy was all the rage around here about two to three years ago, but it was mostly teen girls. Hell, my nieces both declared themselves "bisexual", and said most of their girl-friends were, too. Fastforward to 3 years later, and I ask both of them at dinner how's school, how's dating, do they have girlfriends? And I just get this massive eye-roll from both of them: "Uncle, we're straight and have boyfriends. Bisexuality is SO 3 years ago."

• Hearing about this once or twice does not make it the new "in" thing. My younger brother has claimed to be straight, gay, and bi at different points. I'm still not sure if he was just trying to be shocking or if he came out, didn't like the reaction he got, then decided to say he's straight.

• R12 that's because dudes will want to fuck them even more. being lesbian doesn't prevent you from getting dick - it actually makes you more interesting. doesn't really work the other way round, does it?

• R62 it's OK for girls because guys think it's hot and there are advantages to it for girls to say they are bi, society accepts it, hell society encourages it. But for a dude, HELL NO! Ever notice how all the gay teens that kill themselves are gay boys? Because society still HATES gay men. Mostly due to flamboyant, annoying, gendered disordered gay guys who think it's OK to be disrespectful to straight by hitting on them. THEY DON'T WANT YOU! Be a man or get a sex change

  anonymous%20

• R65, cool it, if you need to vent there are more appropriate targets. Even a timid church mouse of a femme guy meets with hostility. There is gender policing + homophobia + misogyny at play.

• Well, then, what about the 10, 11, 12 year olds I read about who are claiming to be transgender? This has really popped up in the past few years and completely mystifies me.

• r65, rocks!!

• r53, bulldykes ruined the feminist movement. They not only hate men, but they hate anything feminine

• R68 thanks bro, it's good to see other people who get it. Some people can't handle the truth. I especially hate when flamboyant gay men say that I must be self hating. WTF? I am a proud masculine gay man. I would never change being gay because it's part of who I am, nor would I ever change my masculinity, which is a beautiful thing to me.

  R65

• Please die, r65. If gay boys kill themselves it is because of horrid discrimination and minority stress that gay youth face, not because of fem gay men. The most picked on and bullied gay youths are those who are not gender normative, you fuckwad. Really: just fuck off and die, you self-hating jackass. If you hate gay men so much, don't hang around them, don't hang around gay message boards. Share your super-straight-acting awesomely butch self with straights only, and please, please never look back. Go.

• r71, lisps!

• Same experience as r62 with my niece (except for her it was SO 6 years ago). She's 24, living in Williamsburg, NY and married now. Got married in a club with all her kid club friends in attendance. No relatives.

  No gifts from me either

• [quote]nor would I ever change my masculinity eyeroll. We'll believe in your "masculinity" when we see it. Til then, it's a chimera you're tacitly begging others to accept on an anonymous gay message board. THAT'S the super queeniest, flamingest irony of them all.

  Alannis

• R71 dude I never said I hated gay men, I'm fucking gay myself. I hate the way how certain flamboyant gay men act. They got the gay part down, but they forgot the man part. You're a gay MAN, come over to the masculine side because being an alpha male is awesome bro.

  anonymous%20

• r72 thinks she's butch!

• r65/r71 peppering his posts with "bro" and "dude" shows a queen trying too hard.

• [quote]You're a gay MAN, come over to the masculine side because being an alpha male is awesome bro. See my post at r74. As a real man, I don't feel the need to constantly prove my masculinity to anyone, and certainly not by using words like "awesome" or "bro."

  snicker

• R77 sorry that's how I normally talk and I know girls who say dude all the time so what's your point? Isn't the so called gay rights movement all about gay men being themselves and not changing for anyone?

  flamers%20are%20always%20on%20the%20rag

• Elaborate fake story

• The manly troll (r42, r46, r50, r53 et al) is not fooling anyone, no matter how much he peppers his posts with "dude" and "bro". That's the dead giveaway. He's at best a porn writer, with exaggerated MANnerisms. I can see him in overtly contrived masculine clothes (open shirt, t-shit underneath, "ungroomed" in the most calculated of ways, etc), calling everyone dude or bro, thinking himself masculine. Trust me, it comes accross more affected than the biggest parrot-tree owning, Louis Vitton carrying lisping queen you can come up with. If that weren't the case, he wouldnt be in this thread yapping about how masculine he is. Masculine men don't yap, they ARE.

• [quote]sorry that's how I normally talk and I know girls who say dude all the time so what's your point? It's just that most people, even straight men and women, don't write like that. You read contrived.

• Anybody who uses the word "bro" or "dude", straight or gay, past the age of 22 is a serious douchebag or an insecure manchild.

• Why do people on here think it is self-loathing to dislike femmy dudes? Self loathing means disliking yourself, and if you are masculine, your dislike of male effeminacy cannot be self-loathing. Not saying it is right, but it is not self loathing. It is just loathing.

• exactly r84, same for femme lesbians who like the same

• R81 you have a point and I almost never go on about being masculine. What I said was if you're masculine you should be proud of it. For the record I don't consider myself extremely masculine but plenty of people have told me I am my whole life, even telling me that they know I'm joking wjen I tell them I'm gay. I once asked my mom if she knew I'd be gay when I was a kid and she said no that I was all boy and obsssed (still am) with baseball and dirtbikes. And most straight dudes ain't that masculine themselves as soon as they get a steady girl, they all get pussy whipped. That's why I hate when masculine gay guys say they're straight acting. Most straight guys are pussy's if you're masculine so you're masculne and how straight acting are you if you're sucking dick?

  the%20manly%20troll

• [quote]overtly contrived masculine clothes Not even. At this point, I'm seeing the proverbial troll in a muumuu in his parents' basement, deciding to have a bit of a laugh by stirring up shit that's known to irk posters here. Ignore her and she'll go away.

• "bro" should only be used with one's brother or perhaps with a very close friend as a term of endearment; "man" is acceptable when referring to anyone (male or female) not in these categories. "Dude" should not be used at any time by anyone over 22.

• IMHO guys who are genuinely and securely masculine--gay or straight--don't give a shit how normative someone else is. Obsessing about masculinity in yourself and other people is a sign of insecurity.

• I find this refreshing.

• My cousins 15 year old son came out as gay, had a boyfriend and was seeking out other boys on the internet....cut to a year later, he no longer claims he is gay, has an older girlfriend who he is sleeping with. Maybe there is something to this "gay is now cool" thing.

• R87 how the fuck am I stirring up shit? I'm just being honest with my truth. I love being an out masculine gay man. A lot of my straight buds have even told me that I changed their perception of gay men and that I'm a good role model. I don't bully anybody, I fight for what I believe in, I've even had gay guys' back who were being pickd on and even got into a number of fights for the gay rights cause. Some gay guys are masculine, or what most people would define as masculine, while a HUGE majority is feminine.

  the%20manly%20troll

• Agree, r89. The masculine vs effete has it's own brand of homophobia.

• [quote]Why do people on here think it is self-loathing to dislike femmy dudes? Self loathing means disliking yourself, and if you are masculine, your dislike of male effeminacy cannot be self-loathing. Not saying it is right, but it is not self loathing. It is just loathing. Holy shit. This is the biggest piece of cognitive dissonance I've seen in a long time. 1) the lotahing of another person's gender expression is almost always gered towards perceptions of 'feminine'. be it a someone who loathes men who act too "girly" or a someone who loathes a woman for not being "girly" enough. 2) The depth of outward dislike and loathing that drives a person to rant vocally about it or openly loath and deride, ridicule any man or woman who doesn't this desired binary type - is rooted in the absolute DESPERTE NEED to distance THEMSELVES from being percieved and "THAT TYPE" hence making fun of nelly boys and butch women is essentially about own's OWN insecurities. It always is. if someon were truley secure in their own gender expression, they wouldn't give one god damn about how other's express themselves, let alone feel the need to loathe them, or openly mock them. It is only the smallest, most insecure self-loathing type who feels the need to state such a distinction again and again and again and then mock and deride those who dare not to fit their desired perceptions of gender. Get real people, this is basic psychology 101.

• In other words, what r89 said. Simply put and basic.

• [quote]That's why I hate when masculine gay guys say they're straight acting. Most straight guys are pussy's if you're masculine so you're masculne and how straight acting are you if you're sucking dick? I have to say I agree with this. Still, why do you feel the need to confirm your masculinity on a board? I know, you're proud of it. My point is, just BE it, and your pride will shine. Talking it, especially with all the buds, bros, mans, and dudes, makes you sound insecure or like a scripted character from "Happy Endings." One question: Would you be prone to get in a fight defending a very femenine guy?* Also, glad to see you have enough of a sense of humor to own "the manly troll" nickname I bestowed on you with less than best intentions.

  *Answering yes may create a collective sigh from femmes all over

• [quote]My cousins 15 year old son came out as gay, had a boyfriend and was seeking out other boys on the internet....cut to a year later, he no longer claims he is gay, has an older girlfriend who he is sleeping with....Maybe there is something to this "gay is now cool" thing. Or.... could it be that boys are now feeling some of the freedom girls have been allowed to experiment with their sexuality. Teen Girls experiment openly. Teen boys do it privately. (Consider boarding schools) Maybe not those little 'dirty' secrets' aren't being perceived as dirty anymore. I have always said that men can be just as liberal and open in their sexuality as women, it's only society that conditions them to think that if they ever tried "anything gay" they would be stuck in that definition. This unhealthy perception of anything gay or bi as "permanent evil" leads young men to shut down any experimentation and vent in gay-bashing or closeted antics. Bisexuality happens and real sexuality is somewhat fluid for many people - especially hyper-sexed teens.

• R94 by you're logic than most straight guys must be closeted self hating flamers. Because a lot of them have a problem with flamers, I can't tell you how many times a straight dude said to me your a cool gay guy because you act normal, but I can't stans those flamers. To which I reply that they can be annoying but that their way of being themselves and that gay men are all different

  the%20manly%20troll

• Please FF the "Be a man or get a sex change" troll .

• Another vote for "This never happened."

• A 15 year old Oregon teen killed himself for being gay and bullied and was taken off life support. I said it before and I'll say it again, being a gay or bi male will never be condidered cool or trendy, until gay men grow some balls, quit playing the victim, get in touch with their male side and fucking fight back! If this kid beat the piss out of just ONE of his bullies, I guarantee you everyone else would stop fucking with him and he would still be alive today.

  the%20manly%20troll

• R1 and his thread-bashing ilk -- are they stupid or are they jealous someone may start off a thread that could become a classic? Maybe they're shut-ins and don't even know that the world has changed since first moving into their mother's basement. [quote]What an Exciting Sensational Tale! This is why you and your ilk are hated r11 and r28.

• R79, it's a good thing you adore yourself so much, because I bet you're the only one. Seriously, you're vile and the many, many people who loathe you do so not because you're gay but because you're mean and small and ugly. In every way. There's hope for you; you're young. But right now, you're just plain vile.

  Not%20a%20guy%2C%20not%20flaming%2C%20so%20don%27t%20bother

• R103 you never met me before and a lot of people don't hate me, in fact I have plenty of friends of all different minority groups and sexual orientations. And you never met me before and I'm hardly small, vile and ugly, in fact I'm quit tall and handsome (so I'm told) with a built and athletic body. And if you're a woman YOY DONT BELONG IN A THREAD ABOUT MALE HOMOSEXUALITY.

  the%20manly%20troll

• I'm not sure why you guys think OP is an EST or at all unlikely. Kids claiming to be "bi" or "gay" just to seem edgy was all the rage around here about two to three years ago, but it was mostly teen girls. Hell, my nieces both declared themselves "bisexual", and said most of their girl-friends were, too. Fastforward to 3 years later, and I ask both of them at dinner how's school, how's dating, do they have girlfriends? And I just get this massive eye-roll from both of them: "Uncle, we're straight and have boyfriends. Bisexuality is SO 3 years ago." "Around here?" Where's that? And you're saying that it was "all the rage" to say you're gay two or three years ago, but it was "mostly teen girls?" That sounds like a load of bullshit. I've never heard of teenagers pretending to be gay as "all the rage" anywhere, like it was a fashion trend. I don't believe any straight teenage boy would ever pretend to be gay. I don't think any girl was wasn't a lesbian/bi would want to be labeled as one just to be trendy, although I can picture girls who want to show off their sexuality by making out with other girls for the benefit of idiot males. "Uncle", your tale sounds as horseshit as the OP's.

• "Because a lot of them have a problem with flamers, I can't tell you how many times a straight dude said to me your a cool gay guy because you act normal, but I can't stans those flamers." I have had the same reactions from straight women

  femme%20sane%20les

• Not true r105, i too have a niece who declared herself bi a few years ago and is now married

• Oooooohhhhhh. Look at many man r104 trying to tell the woman where to go. You're misogyny is peeking out, darling, and it too is very, very small.

• Way to blame the victim r101. No go fuck yourself.

• R108 I'm being misogynistic by pointing out that women shouldn't have an opinion on MALE homosexuality? I also agree that men shouldn't have an opinion on FEMALE homosexuality and how the female brain(which is different then the male) works Male and female homo/bisexuality are 2 completely different things and are looked at by straight society as being completely different. Until more gay men realize that and become stronger then nothing will ever change.

  the%20manly%20troll

• "i too have a niece who declared herself bi a few years ago and is now married" So what? If you're bi, you like both sexes, so it's no big deal that she married a man. But it's far-fetched for someone to say they're gay or bi just because it's "in" to be homosexual.

• Manly Troll, you still haven't answered R96's question as to whether or not you would be willing to get in a fight to defend a feminine gay guy?

• R112 I almost got fired at work a couple of months ago for defending a fem gay guy I worked with. He had repeatedly hit on a straight guy and the straight got the fem guy in the parking lot and told him he would be the shit out of him if he doesn't leave him alone. I was getting in my car and I heard the arguing I walked over to see what was going on and the straight guy had the fen guy by the collar of his shirt. I went in and broke it up, the straight guy threatened me and I threatened him back and told him we could hamdle this like men, off of work property so we don't get fired. Anyway the stupid ass fem who I was defending decided to RUN BACK INTO OUR JOB from the parking lot and report the scuffle! All 3 of us were called in the office the next day and written up. Neither the straight guy nor the fem dude knew I was gay

  the%20manly%20troll

• This is R113 continuing. Now the fem gay won't leave me the fuck alone and has starting harassing me. He tells me all the time that I'm every gay guys dream because I'm just like a straight guy except I'm gay (whatever the hell that means). I try to avoid him as much as I can, I say hi to him and am cool with him, but that's it. He made this big fucking spectacle one day when we were playing touch football on our break, by running outside and telling all the guys that he was a cheerleader for us and then he started cheering my now out loud and kicking his legs up, it was so fucking embarrassing. I went up to him and was like dude were cool with each other but can't you just tone it down a bit?

  the%20manly%20troll

• Me too, r106.

• Jack Tripper did it way back in the 1970's. I remember that it was en vogue for people to talk about being bisexual back then, while proclaiming, of course, that their strongest desire was heterosexual. It was often said that variety was the spice of life. Then the AIDS epidemic happened, along with Reaganism and the rise of the moral majorettes.

• I've met guys like you before, manly troll - guys who positively reeked of desperation to prove themselves more masculine than the rest of us gays. They all expected every homo in the place to want them because they were sooo ripped and macho, and a couple of them tried extra hard to impress me (probably because I clearly wasn't buying what they were trying to sell). None of them were very bright and their behaviour didn't so much give them an air of confidence in themselves as massive insecurity, just as your posts do. Stop telling gay men how they need to act or fuck off and find some other meathead with massive hangups to butch out with, and spare the rest of us your bullshit.

• R117 wow I'm just being myself, why does that bother you so much? I also stuck my neck out for a fellow gay, who was in the wrong for repeatedly hitting on a straight guy and not respecting his different sexuality, and he almost got his as beat as a result. I know dude I'm such a horrible, bad person. How dare I love being a guy, but also love being gay.

  the%20manly%20troll

• Being gay has always been "in" -- in fact it's always been the innest of the In things to be. Think about it. Life is about creativity. The most creative people are gay. From Michelangelo to Warhol and back again. Gay people move society forward in so many ways. I don't know if gay is in, but gay bigotry is finally out. And I'm glad I got to see it in my lifetime. The ignorant are always out there. I might spend the rest of my life without feeling safe holding hands with my boyfriend in public. But now I have the law to back me up. I would stand up for a femme guy or a transgender person in danger. You might not think so looking at me, but I would. And there are others who would be willing to physically stand up for themselves and others as well. It really depends on a person's nature.

• You being yourself doesn't bother me at all - you telling others how they ought to be is what bothers me. You have a very, VERY limited understanding of what "being a guy" is. This world would be fucking dull if every guy was as hung up on insisting that gay men should act in a particular way as you seem to be. I don't think you even understand why you're being called self-loathing. I'd suggest you read some Judith Butler but I suspect there'd be too many big words for you.

• R120 whoa buddy, all I said was the flaming gays set off a stereotype that ALK gay men are like that, which isn't true. I've never once went up to a fem gay guy and told them to stop acting girly. Who the fuck am I to judge? But just yesterday on this board I was being attacked by insecure flamers and was told to stop using words like dude or bro. How ridiculous is that? It would never occur to me to post on a gay message board and tell flamers to stop using words like adore, or fabulous etc. Because that's the way certain people talk and why should I care. And who the hell is Judith Butler? Don't tell me she's some chick writing about the gay male experience. No woman should ever be writing about the gay male experience. That's like some white dude writing about the black experience in America.

  the%20manly%20troll

• R121, you've said in this very thread that gay men wouldn't be victimised if they'd just 'man up' and fight back. Guess what, bro? The wider world thinks you're [childish epithet posted by a bigoted tool] if you're a guy who likes dick, no matter how many times you say 'dude'.

• As usual, a potentially interesting thread has evolved into masc vs femme. Lame.

• Goodnight Nurse!

  A.%20Bunker

• [quote]As usual, a potentially interesting thread has evolved into masc vs femme. Lame. I agree. For what it's worth, the most popular boy in my class, for all of high school, was a scrawny fashion queen. He didn't come out then, but he was invited to every cool party in every grade and had a pretty diverse core group of friends...though all of them were wealthy.

• R122 I said man up as fight back against bullies, a gay guy has every right to be as flamy as they wish, but if their being bullied the NATURAL thing to do is to defend yourself and fight back instead of playing the victim and a lot of gays don't do that. My boyfriend and I have talked about this numerous times and he agrees with me. All it takes is for one of the bullied, feminine gay kids to beat the piss out of someone fuckng with them and all the other bullies would back off. And the flaming gay kid could be as out and flamy as he wishes without anybody else fucking with him Of course I've never been in the bullied kids position so I'm probably not the best person to hand out advice, as I dated girls in HS and was a star baseball player.

  the%20manly%20troll

• Okay, r126, if you're so non-judgemental, what exactly did you mean when you wrote "be a man or get a sex change"? Asshole.

• They need martial arts or other self-defense training from an early age to have the confidence to fight back. When they are brought up by single women who constantly teach them to be pacificist and passive, telling them to just run away from trouble and all of that, then they are who they are.

• My mom taught me to hit back.

• R122 I don't think saying words like dude or bro make me masculine, that's just how I normally talk. It probably annoys a lot of people that I use those 2 words over and over, it's a force of habit. Masculinity is something that's inherently internal, it's how a man thinks, carry's himself, and reacts and responds to a situation. If you're a gay man who identifies with men you're masculine if you're a gay man who identifies with females you're feminine(not that there's anything wrong with that). When I was single I've met gay guys who seemed masculine, but once you got to know them and their reactions to things they came across as feminine. Being masculine is about having confidence and dominance, it's about walking into a room and receiving respect from fellow alpha males. It's about being competitive in everything from sports to farting and burping. It's about never crying or showing any weakness and to always be the leader and do the right thing and defend the people you care about.

  the%20manly%20troll

• Thanks for proving my point, r130. Your views on gender are simplistic, misguided, and the very things that establish a false hierarchy of masc vs femme. You're entitled to your opinions, of course, but they're massively ignorant. Being so concerned with having others perceive you as 'alpha male' seems more insecure than confident to me.

• R127 dude I was obviously joking, I joke around like that with my straight buds all the time. If they act less than manly I'll say something like "suddenly I smell pussy in here" or "quit being a little bitch". It's all good. I know I'm immature, I own up to it.

  the%20manly%20troll

• I'll leave you alone now, Mr Manly. All I know is I'm glad I'm not you.

• I know of some gay indie singers, but none of them are "cool."

• Confidence and a domineering nature are not "masculine traits" they are just traits. I know plenty of super feminine guys who are also super aggressive, domineering, confident and competitive. Look at EVERY SINGLE CONTESTANT on RuPaul's Drag Race. Those Queens are ALPHA.

• Nothing is more sexy than a masculine gay man

• High School gossip is by nature ridiculous. I'm sure OP heard these two guys tell this story, but I would not use an overheard discussion between 2 high school guys as an accurate window into the reality of life for the younger generation. Part of the shitty culture of high school is the ridiculous slander and rumours that are spread by malicious kids. A girl at my school was rumored to have a penchant for fucking herself with frozen hot dogs. Many others were rumored to be prostitues and porn stars. Guys were alleged to be gay. Just because these guys are telling this story does not mean that it is true

• I've heard tales like the OP's story for 20 years and I suspect there have been ON RARE OCASSIONS straight kids who've entertained the thought of saying they're gay... for a few days. But there has never been a large number of kids anywhere who do this. 99.99999999% of all gay kids still suffer nonstop hate and harrassment from their classmates.

• Didn't David Bowie do this? Anyway, back in the 90s in liberal arts colleges among male students it was sometimes done, although usually taking the bi label. Most of those boys ended up married to.women. In fact pretty much all.

• R135 I don't watch that minstrel show crap. Another trait of masculinity is when you have a problem with someone, or vice versa, you go to that person and confront them one on one get everything out in the open and if you have to resort to violence than so be it. Then the next day you're cool with each other again, because that's how men handle things. The feminine way would be to gossip about that person, complain, resort to catty remarks, accept no responsibility and hold a grudge for years, because that's what females do.

  the%20manly%20troll

• Where are you writing from, r140? The 1950s? You're way too dimwitted to be schooling us on gender and sexuality. Can't you find some other bros to talk to? Then you can pat yourselves on the back for how alpha you all are, and we don't have to listen to the garbage you put forward as truth. Seriously, there are entire fields of study devoted to the development of the psyche and gender, and you think boys = no bullshit leaders vs girls = complicated gossips. Boys don't cry? Really? Your stupidity is making me angry. You're trolling aren't you? If a student really is claiming to be gay because they idolise some singer, then maybe he is actually gay/curious and it's a pathway he's using to come out.

• R141, he is telling you in his user name that he is just a troll trying to get you to put effort into a response to his ignorance. You are just giving him the attention he wants.

• R141 this is my opinion on things, why does my opinion piss you off? That's the way I carry myself and deal with life's problems It's the way how my dad raised me. When I told my Dad I was gay he yelled back at me that he raised me to be a man and he wouldn't talk to me for a week. A week later he calls me, and tells me he's surprised but cool with it. He also asked me about my girlfriends I brought home and asked me if I fucked them and I said a couple. He said I must be bi then and I said no Dad I'm definitely gay.

  the%20manly%20troll

• It pisses me off because opinions like yours are the same opinions that motivate the victimisation of women, gays, and anyone who isn't seen as alpha. How you deal with life is your business but when you're telling non-masc guys to "man up or get a sex change" and that they're victimised because they're not masculine enough, I just gotta call you out for the dumb fuck you clearly are. Your dad raised a moron.

• R142 yesterday a poster referred to me as the manly troll, so I decided to take the name and go with it as a joke. But I'm not trolling, these are my experiences and how I feel on this topic. And for the record, I've never considered extremely masculine, but my whole life EVERYBODY (gay and straight) have told me that I am. I especially hate when people say good one like I'm joking when I tell them I'm gay. Or girls usually tell me that I'm too masculine to be gay but I'm probably bi. It sucks having to constantly come out over and over again and then not have people believe you. I have am Aunt and Uncle who swear I'm not really gay, because I'm too much of a guy, they think I must have been molested when I was a child, because I never appeared gay to them.

  the%20manly%20troll

• I'm trying to tell you, R144, he is trying to piss you off. You are giving him what he wants.

• And yet you have the very same attitudes as them, r145, when you say femme gay guys are the reason we get treated badly. Doesn't the fact you don't fit people's expectations of gay maleness make you think that the rest of the gender rules we're told to live by might be bullshit too? Do you really believe men shouldn't cry and crap like that? Masculinity is nothing more than a culturally specific set of rules that we're pressured into conforming to. I learned a long time ago those rules are bullshit and do not reflect the diversity of people.

• R147 men can cry on certain occasions like a parent dying or their child being born but that's about it. In general men should never cry in public because you end up showing weakness and men should always be strong and be a leader. Be the Quarterback so to speak. Men should always exude confidence and have a plan for everything and not show fear. Men can show emotions like anger and courage. But should never show weak emotions or even appear to be too happy and smily.

  the%20manly%20troll

• Maybe my opinions are wrong, but that's how I was raises. My dad raised me from about 9 on after my parents divorce. He was a jarhead Marine who looked a lot like Sam Elliot (so everyone told him). He was definitely sexist but a lot of straight men who are around 50 are.

  the%20manly%20troll

• Gosh you sure do have a lot of rules about what men should and shouldn't do if they want to be real men. I was raised to be a sexist homophobe as well, but where we differ is that I questioned and rejected those bullshit attitudes and the lies they're based on. I guess I'll just never be manly :( oh well, I probably smile way too much anyway.

• Manly Troll jumped the shark at R114 with that stupid cheerleader story,

  The%20%22less%20is%20more%22%20troll

• The Manly Troll has read Fight Club one too many times. He sounds like a robot, and not a very bright one at that.

• R105, you sound deranged and old as dirt. "Around here" is L.A., and yes, believe it or not, there was (is?) definitely a trend of teens claiming to be "bi". at least a few years ago. I don't know how old you must be or what backswamp sticks you must live in to find this so impossible to believe. That you think kids pretending to be gay/bi (as a trend) is an impossibility only shows just how out of touch you are with today's youth's sensibilities.

• [quote]men can cry on certain occasions like a parent dying or their child being born but that's about it. You forgot watching Brian's Song, The Longest Yard, or Rudy when their team loses the World Series (especially if a Red Sox fan) in a drunken stupor when reminiscing about high school glories

• [quote]he is telling you in his user name that he is just a troll No he's not. He adopted a name I made up for him ... which shows he at least has a sense of humor - evident in many posts - and which angry activists seem to fail to capture. I do not agree with some of what he says and especially with how he says it, but I do get his jokes, and I respect his right to an opinion, just like many of you like to be respected and heard for yours. I agree that by giving him an identity I may have created a little monster with an obviously large enough ego to run with it (he is after all, ALL MAN) and for that I'm sorry to those who find him offensive. I find him entertaining. I was also the one who asked him about defending femmes and have to agree with the poster who says he jumped the shark, as his story sounded embellished if not fictional (too many improbabilities, like walking in on a bullying scenario straight out of Reader's Digest), but still a good read... So to those who were hoping for a classic thread and think it got derailed - can't you recognize a real classic thread when you read one? There are some stories and arguments here already that could be quoted elsewhere for years to come, so I think this one is on its way. Chill and enjoy the ride!

• ... move over Cheryl, mhb, and Kirker. A new DL character we love to hate is born. How much more classic than that can you get?

• R155 unfortunately the story with the flaming gay running outside when we were playing football on our work break and cheerleading my name really did happen. It was really embarassing, I can't believe some guys act like. I work on the loading docks at a warehouse and he works up front as one of the secretaries. What's worse is all my work buds starting joking with me saying I got a new stalker and all this shit. But I can't be mean to him, gay men have to stick together even if some act ridiculous By the way the Fight Club

  the%20manly%20troll

• This is R157 continuing The Fight Club is one of my favorite movies and I wanted to get a FC started at work to get out our agressions when we were stressed but there's no way personnel would allow it. I had no idea it was a book though were you being seriou when you said it was a book too?

  the%20manly%20troll

• [quote]I work on the loading docks at a warehouse and he works up front as one of the secretaries. Of course.

  Dear Honcho

• R154 dude are you from Boston? My best bud is from Boston, and I'm gonna be the best man at his wedding. He's also smoking hot but is straight as an arrow and I respect his sexual preference. He told me he never thought his best friend would be a gay guy. And that me and him were exactly alike, our personalities and sense of humor and competitiveness (we both pride ourselves on being the best farters around, but I gotta give props to him, that dude can really rip). Even though his fiance is a bitch. I was glad when the Red Sox won 2004 World Series after a nearly 100 year drought I was also glad they won again in 2007 and how awesome Curt Schilling's pitching was. That dude is definitely going to the Hall of Fame. I hate the Patriots though and was glad when they lost the SuperBowl to the Giants last year and were eliminated from the playoffs this year. Tom Brady is a little punk and I hate how they fucking protect his ass on the field. But he is fucking hot ,

  the%20manly%20troll

• [quote]But he is fucking hot Agree with that Most of the rest, you lost me with - except for the Giants beating the Patriots, as I was still living in New York for that ... and many other big moments, like the Subway Series and, yes, 9/11. That answers your question re Boston. I'm not from there but I have family who lives there and many friends who went to school there and stayed. I also have a straight friend who considers me his best friend. He's the one I've seen cry in those movies :)

• Bi is considered cool in many settings and subgroups. But almost never is self-identifying with the term gay considered cool. Dudes will acknowledge their attraction to dudes, but the overwhelming majority go to great lengths to avoid associating with the gay label. The word "gay" is still not considered cool.

• R162 exactly because of the feminine stigma that is attached with the gay label. I can't tell you how many girls have told me that I'm bi, not gay and that bi guys are hot. They also seem to think that if a guy is masculine and likes guys he has to be bi, not completely gay. Same thing with a woman if she's feminine and likes girls she has to be bi, she's not a REAL lesbian, because real lesbians are manly. There's a LOT of stupid straight girls who actually believe this shit.

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• "The "less is more" troll"- lol,r151! I'd, however, put the jumping moment at r94. It took me awhile to realize the manly troll is parodying self-identifying "Straight acting" gay males. Well played.

  Della

• R164 I'm not parodying anything, I'm just sharing my opinion. And I hate that phrase "straight acting". What the fuck does that mean? Most straight guys are pussy's and act like bitches themselves. If you're a masculine gay say you're masculine, there is nothing straight acting if you're hooking up with dudes.

  the%20manly%20troll

• Oops, sorry, r94. I was mistaken when I identified your excellent and accurate post as one written by the manly troll.

  Della

• R166 if you're a woman, than no disrespect, you have no business joining a conversation on MALE homosexuality. It's not your fight or cause and you'll never know how the male brain works.

  the%20manly%20troll

• She can join any "conversation" she wants to, R167. Apart from that, this thread was originally about straight kids. Maybe *you* shouldn't be joining the conversation.

• Yup, everyone in your life adores, admires, and/or adulates you. No one believes you're gay, but everyone wishes all gay men were more like you. You stand up for the pathetic flaming gay guy (who, by the way, humiliates and endangers himself by repeatedly hitting on the tough straight guy), and he falls in love with you and acts out a scene from a bad straight rom-com. You're the hero of every scenario. You're the prince (although you sound more like a princess). You should stop posting. Your stuff is worse than a 12-year-old girl's first try at fanfiction. That's called a Mary-Sue, and never has that name been more apt.

• R169 seeiously the defensiveness on this board. Certain gay people's bitchy, judgmental, jealous reaction to me is the EXACT reason why more masculine gay/bi males won't come out. I never said the flaming guy was in love with me, I said he has a thing for me. I find him annoying not because he's feminine but because he's annoying and diarepectful to people. I know feminine gay guys who I'm cool with and good friends with. Why would you repeatedly hit on a straight guy and sexually harass him who's not remotely into you. Then when you're about to get you're ass beat, the masculine guy has to step in to defend you and risk losing his job and having a write up on his file.

  the%20manly%20troll

• The Manly troll is correct that people will try to talk a masculine same-sex oriented guy from identifying as "gay." I have witnessed people try to talk guys who are very masculine from calling themselves gay by saying stuff like "but you act like a normal dude," "I see you ending up a chick, not a dude," "you can't be gay, you act like a cool normal dude." There is an expectation that guys who call themselves "gay" or not very masculine or mainstream, that they live a subculture existence of obsessing about female music artists, not watching ESPN, inability to throw a football, and a refusal to call people "dude" or "bro" or to say "wassup" or "sup" a lot. The term "gay" definitely has strong cultural assumptions about masculinity. Consequently, a lot of guys eschew the term in an effort to communicate that they have not sacrificed any of their mainstream masculinity because of their interest in dudes.

• The funny thing is the feminine gays who have a problem with me expressing my opinion would be all over my ass if they seen me out in a gay bar, that's the fucked up part. I was at one gay bar about a year ago to meet my boyfriend. I couldn't find him downstairs so I went to the upstairs bar and he wasn't there either, then he texted me telling me he just arrived downstairs when I went back down to meet him some 50 something gay, jumped out and smacked my ass telling me I'm really cute. I just smiled and walkd away towards the entrance to meet my boyfriend them this old queen started causing a scene saying I'm sorty if I made Mr. MACHO feel uncomfortable. Then talking shit on me and my boyfried, saying that we think were better because we're butch. Seriously dude, if he wasn't so old, drunk and pathetic I would have knocked him the fuck out. Nothing pisses an annoying, feminine gay guy off more than a confident, good looking, strong and masculine gay guy who doesn't give them the time of day. Why are they so bitter? I thought all gay men were supposed to stick together, have each others back, and treat each other with respect?

  the%20manly%20troll

• The "manly troll" has got to be a joke, or an experiment, right?

• Manly Troll, where do you live? What are your favorite tv shows, dude?

• This is getting good. Time to pop some corn.

• r175, if you were a real man, you'd shuck the corn firsr.

• R171 you have a lot of good points, but I have noticed that a lot of my straight buds like the occasional female artist. This one kid I hang with loves Beyonce and Rihanna and thinks their really hot. And my one straight bud, who goes through women like crazy, and is a fitness trainer at a big college loves Kylie Minogue. I, the gay guy can talk endlessly about sports and probably know more sports stats than anyone I know. I'm going to my first hockey game of the, abbreviated 48 game season, Saturday night and I'm really stoked, the highlight of my week. Stereotypes are stereotypes

  the%20manly%20troll

• How I wish the manly troll would post a pic so we can laugh until we cry.

• All the scenarios read straight from "In Hand" tales from the 70's. Who the fuck pats ass in a gay bar anymore? Sounds like something from the underground days of mob-run gay bars where men of all walks of life, from the street hustler to the ascot-wearing old femme aristocrat, - all with pent up sexual energy and no outlet to express themselves - would finally let off some steam by groping anonymously in some half dark or overdecorated bar. C'mon manly troll, you can do better than that! It's the 21st century. I'm on your corner and thoroughly enjoying your posts, but step it up...dude (there, I said the "d" word).

  Looking forward to more stories

• I think it's refreshing to see a guy cry every once in a while. I don't think it's a sign of weakness. It shows he's sensitive and caring, which I'm sure this manly troll would consider negative traits.

• [quote]the manly troll Mary!

• It's interesting how this "manly troll" seems to find time throughout the ENTIRE FUCKING DAY to post (late at night and first thing in the morning). You almost convinced me--for a brief moment--that you were real, but now I know you're definitely a troll. Go do something useful, like getting a REAL boyfriend, or maybe actually going to work, instead of actually posting on DL the entire day about how "masculine" you are. Pathetic.

  The%20Reality%20Check%20Troll

• The manly troll has my heart all a-flutter. He has not only proved his red-blooded he-manliness beyond question with his impressive recitation of the outcomes of American sports games finals and his bawdy accounts of farting contests with his best straight male friend, but his name alone asserts that beyond question he is the real deal.

• Oooh r182 may be on to something. Are the docks closed today? Is manly troll on vacation? Have they automated the docks to include internet access for employees? Does manly troll post from his cell phone in between cargo/shipment arrivals? We want answers!

  The guy who coined "the manly troll" name

• I'm on vacation from work this week. I won't post again until tonight, because I'm heading over to my (unemployed for now) boyfriends house and then were hitting the gym. I can assure you guys, everything I have posted is real and is how I feel. The poster who said that the guy who patted my ass was out of the '70's and people don't do that anymore is right. But yoy gotta take into account that the dude was at least in his mid '50's, at least 30 years older than me. Take care, wish everyone well, no hate and maybe one day we can have an INTELLIGENT conversation with this issue I really didn't mean to piss people off with my opinion, I've just discovered Datalounge this week The point I was trying to make was if their wasn't this huge negative, feminine stigma against male homosexuality a lot of masculine guys would be open and indentify as gay or bi or curious. The stigma kills it.

  the%20manly%20troll

• [quote]the dude was at least in his mid '50's, at least 30 years older than me. Of course. Anyway, I have enjoyed your presence here thoroughly, manly troll. Agreeing on some things and disagreeing on others, it's been fun. Don't be a stranger.

  The guy who coined "the manly troll"

• Can someone with sports knowledge post a sports trivia quiz for Manly Troll to answer? He says he knows more about sports than anyone he's ever met.

• [quote]A girl at my school was rumored to have a penchant for fucking herself with frozen hot dogs a Popsicle for the vagine on a summer day

• Come back to see us again soon, Manly Troll.

• now, r187, that would be kind of fruitless, don't you think, since he can quickly find the answer online.

• Let's get this out of the way, me being a huge sports junkie doesn't make me masculine, that's ridiculous. One of my good, feminine gay friends is a huge Football fan, and I got my love of sports not from my Dad but from my Mom, every year she's goes to Florida for spring training. Another reason I hate the term straight acting, is because it implies that alk straight dudes are masculine and manly, which is a fuvking joke. I know straight guys who don't work have their wives and girlfriends support them and refuse to get a job. They're are also straight guys who have different babies with different women and refuse to support their kids, that's the most unmanly, cowardly thing a man can do. So masculine gays stop using the phrase straight acting, I actually have more respect for flaming gays(even though they can be annoying) than these losers. And true masculinity is something that's not outwardly but inwardly. It's how you respond to a situation

  the%20manly%20troll

• R191 continuing it's how you're wired and how you look at the world. Everytime a problem arises I think to myself how would my dad, my biggest role model, handle this. I look to him aa a masculine role model and always did the right thing and supprted his family. My dad passed away a few years back and people always telk me I remind them of him and I'm honored to hear that because my dad was a great man. He was very much a guys guy, but I never heard one homophobic slur come out of his mouth. I remember being a teenager and working for his construction company with him then going to college and him telling me he was proud of me.

  the%20manly%20troll%20

• Manly Troll, why do you work on a loading dock if you are a college grad?

• R193 I went to college for 2 years and got my associates, but didn't go back for bachelors. I make decent money at the warehouse. But don't wanna go back to work on Monday, discovering the DataLounge was too much fun this week. Some gay men are really sensitive like females.

  the%20manly%20troll%20

• We've been on Primetime blockout for the last day - hence the drop in posts/responses. This does not affect those who pay the $18 annual membership fee. The block has just been lifted (though I'm not a hundred percent sure if it happened a bit earlier and I just did not refresh). Since you posted earlier this morning, are you a Datalounge paid member? So you discovered Datalounge last week and immediately paid the $18 membership? That's not very manly :).

• R195 dude I tried posting last night and the block came up, and there was no wayI was gonna pay $18dollars to post, so I posted again this morning and no blocks have been coming up.

  the%20manly%20troll

• So you ARE manly. The real deal.

  The guy who inadvertently baptized you

• Dude! Dude.

• The point I was trying to make was if their wasn't this huge negative, feminine stigma against male homosexuality a lot of masculine guys would be open and indentify as gay or bi or curious. The stigma kills it." Same for gay women- sigh

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• I remember hearing some Howard Stern radio interview; he was talking to some woman who was talking about a sexual encounter she had with another woman. Howard said "so when did you decide to become a lesbian?" The woman shrieked "I'm NOT a lesbian!" Just like all those "straight" guys you hear about on Datalounge who love a good blowjob from another guy whenever the opportunity presents itself.

• An entire message board of manly trolls:

  http://www.reddit.com/r/gaybros

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• I side by the "Manly Troll". Dude you fucking rock! Anywho, back to the subject!!! Being "Gay" is not even a trend. Whoever would purposefully use their sexuality as a way to fit into social means would be fucking stupid. But then again I work at a place where people ask me why our elevators run slow? I can see this supposed "trend" being attempted by girls. But I don't think the average straight guy would claim to be gay just because he thinks he'll get some type of social applause or acceptance. OP you're fucking dumb for Trying It with this post. I think you real just wish that straight guys who dress a little fashionable were gay. But believe it or not. Just like there are masculine gay men, there are feminine straight men.

  22%20Gay%20%26%20Scruffy

• R200 speaks the truth.

• [quote]Whoever would purposefully use their sexuality as a way to fit into social means would be fucking stupid. Worked for white suburban kids who wanted to be black...and acted "black".

• Im 15 and a REAL gay, people say its a young age i saw, its my life, my decision, I do find this offending, true or not, people in my school also say they are gay because girls want to be your gay best friend, this is a chance to get close to girls... I also find this revoulting and offencive, its bad enough to be bullied, but being take the mik of and then people pretending... Harsh world!

  Anonymous

• When my son was on his early teens he had a grind Jonathan who said that he was pretending to be gay because girls liked hanging out with the gays. Johnathan always had a cadre of girls around too. As it turned out johnathan was not pretending.

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• OP, I believe you. Completely. And maybe I'm a naive Pollyanna (but old,BTW), but wouldn't this be wonderful? Even if this incident described by OP is, at this point, rare? I am perfectly willing to believe that some teenage boys are impressed that their favorite singer came out, and thus gay becomes "cool". Kids have been imitating favorite singers/actors/idols for a while now (well,more than "a while" - years and years), right? Maybe this is a tiny, teensy, nascent "baby step" in the right direction - wouldn't it be wonderful??! I realize in my age range (50's), older, younger: most of us had a hideous time in high school; continues into adulthood, family, etc., if one is unlucky. But I actually was cheered, excited, made less depressed-than-usual! by OP's story. It COULD be so...

  Optimist, cock-eyed

• There's a lot of truth to what OP wrote.

• Yes, r210. Just as there's a lot of truth to Narnia and Hogwarts.

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• I think its cool if only because it will cause the bible humpers to really have a meltdown.

• OP made it all up.