'Reagan Shut Down The Mental Facilities When He Was President'
I've heard this, but can't find actual info about it. Any help?
I thought he did that while governor of CA.
The Dem controlled California legislature reduced funding for the mentally ill in the 1960s. Reagan signed it as it was tucked in a very large spending bill. I guess it's like that stupid cunt Pelosi said about Obama Care. "we have to pass the bill before we know what's in it".
[quote]The Dem controlled California legislature reduced funding for the mentally ill in the 1960s.
OP, it's a lie. Our own Democrats were the ones eh cut funding, Dont believe the crazy rants of people like Bette Midler who keep going on about Reagan and how he's still somehow responsible for current social problems.
This is utter nonsense. Learn some facts.
Shutting down mental health facilities first started with soft-hearted Jimmy Carter, who thought it was cruel to keep crazy people locked up. After all, they should be home with their families.
That's just one reason he's the worst president of the 20th century.
Reagan's social policy is best seen as an abdication. Reagan's economic policy was to adjust government regulation so that it favored business once again, and social policy was merely an outgrowth of this larger issue. While family groups and professi onal groups and patient groups did clamor for respect, the real struggle was between the state and the business community. Reagan worked to lessen the tax load for the rich, and the social policies were meant to match this goal. Business needed a more fav orable corporate climate, and Reagan worked to that end. The coalitions that were necessary for election were either gratified (the elderly) or abandoned (the poor). As for the mentally ill, certain changes that their families and practitioners wanted wer e gained, and the administration pointed this out. Even though these changes came about primarily through state governments and the courts, the Administration would take credit. All in all, business interests were served. Families and doctors were appease d. Patients were forgotten.
more at link.
More Reganites on the DL then I could imagine.
The lie is Reagan:
never raised taxes
never raised the debt ceiling
never restricted the right to own guns
All of those are false yet Reagan freaks think he never did any of that. He even proposed a gun ban, but you dont here any of them mention that little fact. If Obama dose that, all hell breaks loose and he is a socialist, bla bla bla!
Reagan was a moderate conservative. But by today's standards he would not have even been nominated to run for the conservative party.
And by the way, its not a lie about the mental institutions. Its just more complicated then how it's been summed up as. But end result, as governor, he was in change of that to lower taxes.
[quote]That's just one reason he's the worst president of the 20th century.
The ACLU argued for the end of forced institutionalization of harmless insane people, not Ronald Reagan or Jimmy Carter.
And Carter was not the worst president. He was small peanuts, George W Bush, Ronald Reagan were the absolute WORST and we are still paying for their idiocy today.
Look for the information in news reports from 1987.
It was a way to shrink government expenses and agencies.
I was 31 then, working at a restaurant in Oakland, CA. There was a "half-way" house on the same block where crazy people were housed as an alternative to mental institutions.
Our customers had to get through a gauntlet of crazy to get inside the place. One memorable day a fellow had a big hunting knife.
Eventually the funding for the half-way houses lessened, too.
Previous to this federal shut down of mental institutions....crazy people did not run the streets in the same numbers.
It was a different world, kiddos. Government policies matter.
OK R2, by your thinking then Obama Care was done by the Republicans in congress because he only signed it as well.
Reagan was president from 1981-1989.
This is how I rank the presidents of the 20th and 21st centuries, from best to worst:
George H.W. Bush
Warren G. Harding
George W. Bush
The last 7 presidents with full terms are all Republicans, and rightfully so... They have disenfranchised, demoralized, and swindled the average American citizen.
These posters here are unbelievable. They utter hatred for anything or anybody Republican makes them totally blind to the facts. They should stick with dick and Joan Crawford posts and leave the politics to adults.
It started well before Reagan, although he certainly took the ball and ran with it.
To be fair, it seemed like the right thing to do at the time. The horrors of mental institutions were very real, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest was more common than we care to admit, and so many lives were wasted.
When the new drugs came out we thought it was real progress, they worked wonders. Of course, they only worked if the patient took the damn things, and that was the problem, especially when we started cutting the funding for the half-way houses.
R14, I agree with most of your list, but why would you put George H.W.Bush before Jimmy Carter?
[quote]Republican makes them totally blind
Blind rage, it's understandable! Republicans have done this to themselves, they embraced the wing-nuts.
R18 is right. I am a Repulican because of fiscal issues. We need to realize what the president can control vs state issues. I'm libertarian now. Let us marry, legalize pot, etc.
The American Disabilities Act, R17. I'm no fan of George H.W. Bush, but he did at least get that civil rights bill passed. (It's very close between him and Carter - I didn't know whether to value the ADA or the Camp David Accords more. The ADA affects our daily lives more, though, so I ultimately went with that.)
Reagan eliminated general revenue sharing to cities, slashed funding for public service jobs and job training, almost dismantled federally funded legal services for the poor, cut the anti-poverty Community Development Block Grant program and reduced funds for public transit. The only “urban” program that survived the cuts was federal aid for highways – which primarily benefited suburbs, not cities.
These cutbacks had a disastrous effect on cities with high levels of poverty and limited property tax bases, many of which depended on federal aid. In 1980 federal dollars accounted for 22 percent of big city budgets. By the end of Reagan’s second term, federal aid was only 6 percent.
The republicans don't even 'get' the fiscal issues anymore, r19. They are over as a party. We need a new party, and NOT libertarian.
But what about George H.W. Bush's CIA involvement, R20? And his lies about the first Iraq War? And the peripheral connections he has to the JFK assassination, his father Prescott's connection to the Nazi financiers, and his own involvement in Iran-Contra?
[quote]More Reganites on the DL then I could imagine.
It's a single freeper who cleared his cookies. He wanted to get the first word in, and agree with himself to try to make his point look more valid before people start posting actual facts.
Oh, trust me, I think Bush I is basically a failure, R23. I just can't really point to too many successes for Carter, enough to lift him up above the first Bush. Can you think of any? (I'm not asking sarcastically - I really want to know if there are any.)
Let's face it, Reagan was the beginning of the end of the Republican party as it was. It started twirling the toilet then.
Then the Lewinsky magnifier brought all of the moral-outraged schizoids, and here we are...a ruined, broken Republican circus.
[quote] I'm libertarian now. Let us marry
Libertarians don't believe in legalizing gay marriage. They want the government to get rid of marriage in general (which they know will never happen, because marriage exists as a legal institution for purposes of property, inheritance and other rights). They pretend that marriage is a religious or social institution instead of a legal one to deny gays rights. They are also against banning discrimination against gays in the workplace, housing, healthcare, etc.
Libertarians are some of the most prominent and active anti-gay bigots in this country, second only to the tea partiers.
I'm no fan of Ronald Reagan but he was far from one of the worst American presidents and I think will be remembered as being a beloved one.
One of the most failed of modern times, I'm sorry to say, would be Jimmy Carter, followed by Bush II and perhaps Nixon.
R26, I would argue that Nixon was the beginning of the end for the Republicans. Eisenhower was the last good Republican President. Nixon was the next GOP President, and it was all downhill from there.
Well, I don't care who closed them. I just want to know we when we are going to open them back up?
Reagan was a mean, incompetent little boob surrounded by frauds and thieves. Whatever hard right stuff he didn't do was only through laziness, not liberality. He tripled the national debt.
Deinstitutionalizing the mentally ill was actually done because the profession demanded it.
Reagan was blamed for it because he cut mental health funding, which meant the community care programs never really got going. But it would have happened anyway because of the dumbshits in the psychiatric profession. It is still going on (Michigan closed 16 facilities in 2003).
I do firmly believe that Reagan was one of the worst presidents of the twentieth century. Everything that is bad about America today seems to have started with him. Plus, he had one of the most corrupt administrations of all time. And of course, he did nothing to fight AIDS.
r33 is right. YEARS from now he will start to make more frequent appearances on the "worst" presidents list.
For some bizarre reason many people deify him.
[quote]Libertarians don't believe in legalizing gay marriage. They want the government to get rid of marriage in general (which they know will never happen, because marriage exists as a legal institution for purposes of property, inheritance and other rights). They pretend that marriage is a religious or social institution instead of a legal one to deny gays rights.
Not true at all.
They are also against banning discrimination against gays in the workplace, housing, healthcare, etc.
Private employers have the right to hire whomever they want. It's their business. Landlords have the right to rent to whomever they want. It's their property. Doctors in PRIVATE practice have the right to treat whomever they want. As a gay man, I also have the right to hire only gay people or rent only to gay people.
[quote]Libertarians are some of the most prominent and active anti-gay bigots in this country, second only to the tea partiers.
Again, not true at all.
You're a very sad, confused person, aren't you?
Take your anti-gay bullshit elsewhere, R35.
I think the sad and confused is r35.
The last Executive Order JFK signed before leaving for Dallas was one to deinstitutionalize the mentally ill.
Didn't alot of the problems of homelessness in the US have its catalyst with ronnie? Also, is it true that he was already in the early stages of Alzheimer's during his "presidency"? I heard somewhere that he was already shitting himself in the Oval Office. ronnie reegin proved that absolutely ANYONE can be president.
You're full of shit, r38' his last exec order was the Florida railroad Employees thing.
A lot of adult mentally ill folks are not institutionalized - and often homeless -thanks to the efforts of the ACLU.
Yes. Ronnie was the one who cut the funding for medicating the newly released mentally ill.
Well, he did shut down his own mental faculties while president....
What about Geraldo Rivera's WABC documentary about Willow Brook?
On Reagan, take it from Gerald Ford:
"(After his death)Ford wanted it known that he saw Reagan as a superficial...intellectually-lazy showman who didn't do his homework and clung to a naive, unrealistic, and essentially dangerous worldview.
We were there... When you complain about the homeless in SF, give credit where credit was due.
When Ronald Reagan was governor of California he systematically began closing down mental hospitals, later as president he would cut aid for federally-funded community mental health programs. It is not a coincidence that the homeless populations in the state of California grew in the seventies and eighties. The people were put out on the street when mental hospitals started to close all over the state.
? I wonder what the mental facilities refers to and no President has the power to "shut down" health care facilities unrelated to the Federal gov't.
r44, Gerald Ford is no prize either, especially for pardoning Nixon when he had never been tried in the first place; but if he did say that about ronnie I suppose one must give credit where it's due.
Libertarians say they are fine with businesses turning away black people, then seem bewildered when people detest them. They are tone-deaf and blind to the consequences of their proposals.
With all due respect, the ACLU has been against forced incarceration of the mentally ill because it has never not been abused by politicians who want to put away an inconvenient wife or political opponents (see Earl Long). But laws against abuse of involuntary commitment existed all along. The ACLU didn't create them, nor did the enforcement of these laws empty the mental hospitals. The mental hospitals were emptied because psychiatrists thought the mentally ill would do better in the community.
[quote]Libertarians say they are fine with businesses turning away black people
That isn't true. Why do you keep spreading lies?
On the contrary, it is an official libertarian position.
Films like Titticutt Follies and other exposees shut down mental hospitals. The Dems helped. The GOP turned an issue into a problem by not following up with funding for alternative care facilities.
Has the ACLU indicated any flexibility post-Newtown in relaxing its hard-line opposition to the involuntary commitment of those who may be mentally ill, R49?
[quote]On the contrary, it is an official libertarian position.
Certainly not. I really think the movie "One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest" had much to do with it how it played out. This guy was trying to close the hospitals from 1961.
"The struggle for definition is veritably the struggle for life itself. In the typical Western two men fight desperately for the possession of a gun that has been thrown to the ground: whoever reaches the weapon first shoots and lives; his adversary is shot and dies. In ordinary life, the struggle is not for guns but for words; whoever first defines the situation is the victor; his adversary, the victim. For example, in the family, husband and wife, mother and child do not get along; who defines whom as troublesome or mentally sick?...[the one] who first seizes the word imposes reality on the other; [the one] who defines thus dominates and lives; and [the one] who is defined is subjugated and may be killed."
In citing the Libertarian principle of economic liberty; “They’ve taken their despicable ideology and used it a wrecking ball, that they have painted red, white and blue, to smash down every good thing in America.”
“They say they’re Patriots but they hate everybody in America who looks like us. They say they love America but they hate the people, the brown folk, the gays, the lesbians, the people with piercings, ya know ya’ll.”
Hahahaha, OP. I thought your headline said "Reagan Shut Down The Mental Faculties When He Was President." As in his own mental faculties.
[quote]Well, he did shut down his own mental faculties while president....
I thought a lot of this snowballed with ADA. I know a family with a schizophrenic son and they cannot 'force' him to do anything whereas in the past they could have had him locked up, even against his will. Sometimes he just hangs out like a homeless person even though he has an apt, therapy, etc., paid for by the state.
In the 80s there was a lot of dismantling of bigger wards for the mentally ill in favor of halfway houses, etc. I'm in MA and some of these 'hospitals' should have closed, as they did. They were just warehouses. Now all the people we could lock up out of sight have more civil rights than they did.
Much as I hate what Reaganism did, this is one issue where it's oversimplifying to blame him.
Yeah, Reagan didn't do this on his own, but he did exacerbate it by not following through with the necessary help for the released. Reagan was a puppet for the Republican't party, they want all of their ill-gotten money, tax free, without any social responsibility from the people they stole it from.
*for the people they stole it from.
The way I understand it, it was just a product of '60s hippie movement. If you had civil rights for blacks and for women, and the ubiquitous use of drugs and free sex, naturally it extends to those society has quietly locked up and thrown away the keys. Many felt that sanitariums were just relics of the past.
This sort of new way of thinking just allowed certain legislatures to achieve the ultimate goal of dumping the mentally ill on the street.
Reagan, with the backhanded help of the ACLU, cloded down medical wharehousing institutions funded by Medicaid when told to by the SCOTUS. Reagan began his compassionate conservative drumbeat for housing the mentally ill in SROs (single resident households). The, a few months later Reagan announced that medical assistance was going out of the housing business, gave no money to HUD to fund the mass homelessness and for the first time in history we had homelessness as we have come to know it.
Prior to the mid 1980s homelessness was confined to the hard core inner city but afterward it was engrossed to the homeless mentally ill. Now they are everywhere. Unmedicated.
The goal was to help those thrown into sanitariums. However, like many things, unintended consequences and political opportunity led to our current mental health problems.
So, what it boils down to....full circle...Ronnie RayGun (and strings) is(are) to blame.
[quote] The American Disabilities Act, [R17]. I'm no fan of George H.W. Bush, but he did at least get that civil rights bill passed.
That was passed when Clinton was president
r68, it was signed in 1990 during Bush I's presidency.
r10 is correct.
R64 your understanding is correct.
Most homeless people are mentally ill, or have substance abuse issues, or both.
r65 do you believe that mentally ill people should be force-medicated and locked up? Because that's what the situation was before, when homelessness didn't appear to be such a problem.
r41, the situation is not that simple. Many of these institutions were evil and barbaric.
As reporters (Rivera notably) started to expose these horrendous conditions, it was clear the situation was untenable. States were open to lawsuits, and many people were institutionalized who did not need to be there, especially women. (This was obvious as research and medications advanced.)
Because of the institutional system, many generations of North Americans were clueless about the financial impact of integrating seriously mentally ill people into society.
The problem became, as it usually is, money. Many governments were facing budget crises, and mental health care was way, way down the priority list. This is still true to this day-it has nothing to do with the ACLU. If governments made it a priority, practical funding would make a difference.
[quote] do you believe that mentally ill people should be force-medicated and locked up?
How do other countries deal with the mentally ill and homelessness?
Nobody has the mentally ill like the good ol' USA!
[quote] How do other countries deal with the mentally ill and homelessness?
Other Western countries have medically cared for populations and far better social nets than we do here.
Ah some of us were around in the 1980s, it was Reagan. He stopped funding them...so he could give military corporations all of our tax money.
[quote]Most homeless people are mentally ill, or have substance abuse issues, or both.
That's just not true. It was in the 1980s because of the conditions described in this thread, but it is not usually the cause of poverty in this nation which does not create jobs.
Most Americans are so damn dumb, they don't even realize there is such a thing as mental illness. That's exactly why they don't mind giving out guns to every Tom, Dick and Harry.
It's obvious that we need to re-open and build a lot more mental health 24/7 facilities. The drugs don't help people, and sociopaths are out there. They need to be put IN care before they hurt others.
r81 = Nazi
[quote][R65] do you believe that mentally ill people should be force-medicated and locked up? Because that's what the situation was before, when homelessness didn't appear to be such a problem.
Oh, god. Go away.
It was true then, it's true now.
Reagan shut down the U.S. Public Health Hospitals too.
He was a sick bastard with zero empathy.
I know that, R47, I was there. Ford to City: Drop Dead is what I remember him for.
But Ford was not a superficial, intellectually-lazy showman who didn't do his homework.
r72, no I do not. Placing people in MH independent housing was what the ACLU wanted. I think it was a good move.
It was the de-funding of their housing that made all the difference.
During Reagan's years the mental hospitals were closed because they were horrible, horrible places. But they did not replace them with anything.
During the Reagan years, the number of homeless people on America's streets skyrocketed. For example, in 1980 there were less than a half dozen homeless people in all of Atlanta. By the end of the Reagan years, there were thousands of homeless people all over Atlanta.
Connecticut tragedy tied to Reagan releasing mentally ill people from mental hospitals...
America's libraries have truly suffered since Reagan since there is no place else for homeless and mentally ill people to go all day except libraries, which are not able to throw them out until they get violent and threatening to customers or staff. So our libraries have not been the safe havens for kids that they used to be since Reagan fucked up this country.
I am a librarian and can attest to R91 's statement. Homeless people come in and sit on the computer all day. One guy is agressive and unplugs all the computers around him because he doesn't think we know he is looking at porn. But since he doesn't break any laws there is nothing we can do.
r91, can't you have a "code of conduct" like we do here (Canada)?
It's not aimed at the homeless per se, but it really covers them and mentally ill people who disturb other patrons.
If a patron has body odour that could choke a horse s/he can be asked to leave. (That's actually in the document that my PL posted on its walls outside the main entrance.)
If they are doing anything that is disturbing to other patrons, they can be asked to leave.
It passes any legal tests, because it's based on behaviour that affects other people to the point they can't use the library's services.
It's helped quite a bit in our main downtown branch.