FX's upcoming "The Americans" television series (Right wing crap)
Keri Russell is in it. It's all 1980s Cold War bullshit. It's a Republican lovefest. Will people just let go of the Reagan era already? For fuck's sake. The title card has a hammer and sickle in it (Communist symbol).
The show was created by a retired military guy.
The shit written on IMDB's message board is a Republican wankfest.
Tired of seeing the promos.
[quote]Tired of seeing the promos.
Get a DVR.
Is this going to be a Homeland knock off?
The last time I checked, acknowledging the existence of communism and the Soviet Union is hardly a Republican lovefest.
The show is getting good reviews and I will watch it.
Oh this show also has that Straight guy Matt in it! Wonderful
Keri Russell looks a lot like that Jennifer from House.
I thought the first episode was decent. Anyone remember Scarecrow and Mrs. King? The cold war thing was very serious in the 80s
r5, the network is now displaying Reagan in its PR campaign, and the show is made by a Tea Partier.
I thought the pilot was terrific, no matter who wrote it. Very involving with interesting characters and a lot of directions it could go in.
r7 = FX shill/Regeanitte.
I liked it. Whateves
There is no information about the creator being a tea partier. You made that up.
Some of you are so paranoid with regards to the Right, it's like a flip version of the Red Scare.
I watched it last night and was hooked in the first--very intense--ten minutes. Can't wait tto see what direction this might go.
R11 What did you think of the scene with the husband listening to her on the tape cassette? Felicity was so intense and cold I loved it.
NY TIMES review was positive.
R12 LOL. I love that you refer to her as Felicity!
Do they speak in Russian accents in private (the characters?)
Reminds me of the 1980s mini-series Amerika
R14 You know I ain't the only one!
Take your meds, OP, and get some sleep.
If you don't like it, don't watch it.
Oh, and for the record, this statement makes no sense:
" Will people just let go of the Reagan era already? For fuck's sake. The title card has a hammer and sickle in it (Communist symbol)."
R15 they speak with solid American accents to each other in private, but when she meets with a KGB handler they speak in Russian-accented English.
It's an excellent pilot; I hope the series holds up.
R18 Not true. The only time she spoke in Russian-accented English was in the flashback to the '60s where she was still in training (and that guy raped her.) When she met with the guy at the safe house, she spoke the same American English that was spoken throughout the rest of the episode. (Frankly, I think it would've made more sense to have her speak Russian to the guy in the safe house, but I guess there are reasons for her not to do so.)
I'd never seen Matthew Rhys in anything before. I know he's Welsh, but he really looked kind of Russian to me in this episode. Good casting choice.
Great pilot and I'm really looking forward to watching more. The TV critics who have seen episodes 2 and 3 are equally enthusiastic about them. I'm also excited to see Margo Martindale who will appear as Philip and Elizabeth's handler.
Hoping this shows up On Demand soon. Haven't seen this or THE FOLLOWING on the list yet.
Good info, R20. Margo scared the crap out of me when she played Mags on Justified. Really excellent at looking harmless while playing evil.
Tonight's episode was really good. The suspense is great with this show. The only hole is how the FBI agent across the street has fixated on them. He says something about them being different, but they really aren't. And they don't slip, so I have seen nothing that should bring them to his attention. I think it would have been better had he seen just something off a few episodes down the road.
How does it compare to Justified?
I'm glad FX is re-running it immediately after the first showing because it's up against "Nashville" on ABC.
I was kind of confused by tonight's episode-- who exactly is the blonde that Phillip was banging supposed to be?
I'm glad they showed the Russians at the embassy and the KGB office speaking Russian to each other and used subtitles. When they had Elizabeth meeting with her handler last week, they spoke English and I found it somewhat jarring.
The blonde is the wife of a cabinet under secretary. She's bored with her husband and up for some adventure so Philip is pretending to be a Swedish agent and treating her as an asset.
As a sleeper agent Elizabeth has to become completely American and she can't afford any mistakes such as inadvertently slipping into Russian. That means only ever speaking in English, even when dealing with her superiors. It's also why they were instructed never to talk about their past before they entered the program -- a rule she and Philip broke. The Russians in the embassy could speak Russian because they're not active field agents.
It's ironic that Philip and Elizabeth never tasted Russian caviar when they lived in Russia because they couldn't afford it, but as Americans they have the money to indulge in this luxury item.
(R26): Philip didn't buy the Beluga Caviar. It was given to him by the FBI agent/neighbor.
R27 I remember them tasting the caviar the FBI agent seized from the store owner at the neighbor's house, but did they show him actually giving the entire tin to Philip?
Justified takes place in Kentucky among crooked hillbillies in the present. The Americans takes place in DC in 1981 and involves Soviet moles, i.e. a couple placed here in the 60's as spies, who are now becoming more active because of Reagan's stance on the Russians. This does not have the Elmore Leonard fingerprints on it and plays it straight.
My boyfriend was interested in it so we watched and really liked it. Gonna give it a try.
OP, you sound like an unhinged loon who shits and breaths politics every minute of the day.
Take your pills and get a DVR so you're no longer 'forced' to watch anything you don't like.
Please F&F the freeper who's going from thread to thread attempting to shill "Justified", which is some fundie show.
[quote]When they had Elizabeth meeting with her handler last week, they spoke English and I found it somewhat jarring.
Phillip and Elizabeth aren't supposed to speak any Russian anymore, ever.
Really liked it. Loved the tape of Felicity putting a finger up the guy's ass. Will watch ep 2 tonight. I am also digging in a completely different way The Following. Two good dramas in the space of a month. Groovey
R31, you've never seen Justified, otherwise you'd know it's no such thing.
I realize your objection has to do with Rush Limbaugh's endorsement; maybe he likes it because it's about Oxycontin dealers. Who knows? Doesn't mean it's not in fact a great show.
I haven't seen last night's ep yet. What music did they use?
I don't know if I'm completely sold on this series yet, but I'm liking it enough to watch episode three. The preview for next week showed Margo Martindale which bodes well.
I liked Matthew Rhys's character from the beginning, but Keri Russell's character seemed so robotic. I can't tell if it was the fault of Russell's acting or the writing. I get that she is a true believer, but she's been an embedded spy for 15 years - why would she be so stiff? In last night's episode, there seemed to be a little more nuance to her character.
So I'm giving the show the benefit of the doubt for now. Plus, I think Graham Yost is a good producer and wouldn't let it devolve into shit.
On a semi-related note, to the poster who claimed Justified is a Fundie show, it's clear you've never seen a single episode.
In the pilot Elizabeth seduced a government official. This week Philip is sleeping with the wife of the under secretary of defense. Will they ever have Philip have sex with a man in order to blackmail him into working for the Soviets? Gays were deemed a big security risk back then.
Read R5 See what happens to history? The Cold War wasn't just the 80's. and it was more serious than anything we've got going now.
You're right about the cold war, R38. I grew up in the 50s and 60s. The cold war was very active. We had emergency plans (bogus ones, but serious at the time) set up in schools during the Cuban missile crisis.
I have mixed views about whether it was more serious than what we've got going on now. The middle east is a mess and very dangerous if Iran puts bombs together. However, bin Laden really brought a lot of this to a head and we armed him in the 80's to fight the communists who were trying to conquer Afghanistan. So even that is an offshoot of our battles during the cold war.
Chilling episode tonight.
I'm liking this show.
Did anyone think the Soviets were actually going to give Joyce a new identity and relocate her? I like how "Grannie" (Margo Martindale!) was being kind and motherly towards Joyce, but when she closed the door of the van you just knew things weren't going to end well for Robert's wife. I have a very minor nitpick about the last scene where we see Joyce's body in the car. If felt unnecessary. We knew from the scene where the Russians handed the baby over to Robert's parents that they must have killed her. I would have preferred that her fate always remained a mystery to the FBI because that's what often happens in real life.
Keri Russell really came through in her anguished early AM monologue to Philip. And Gregory is hot so I'm not surprised that she's sad to give him up.
I agree with your post R42, but they had to show the FBI that after she was taken, she was killed. I think they knew once they saw her she really didn't OD.
OMG..John Boy is in this ! He still looks young !
I want to see Ben and Noel as guest stars!
So is "Charles Duluth" supposed to be based on a real person or situation?
I saw the pilot two days ago and was very pleasantly surprised. I expected it to be laughable but it was great and credible. Acting is great from everybody.
Does Matthew Rhys show his ass?
Another awesome episode last night.
My experience of the Reagan shooting was so different. We were all rooting for him to die. But then, I was at UC Santa Cruz when it happened. Some bitter jerk was saying the Bush was worse. But if Reagan had died, we would have had only four years of Republican rule in the 80's as opposed to the twelve that followed.
I got a kick out of this episode because of how it focused on Alexander Haig's "I am in control here" press conference. As someone who had yet to be born when the assassination attempt occurred, I once asked my parents what it was like when it happened. They both mentioned Haig's remarks.
It freaked out my father. He thought it possible that Haig - a recently retired four star general - would have the mojo/desire to stage a coup. My mother, on the other hand, thought it was just as laughable as the White House press corps who literally laughed in Haig's face.
It was sort of funny to see those perceptions mirrored in the plot with Elizabeth thinking a coup might be imminent and Phillip seeing it as unlikely.
Sounds like a great show. Don't worry OP, you still have LOGO and Bravo.
[quote]I saw the pilot two days ago and was very pleasantly surprised.
[quote]Sounds like a great show.
It just gets better and better, so nuanced and complex. It saddens me that this is the official thread on the show, with OP's silly title about "right wing crap." It's clearly nothing of the sort: we get to see America in the 80s through the lens of committed socialist ideology.
[quote]Sounds like a great show. Don't worry OP, you still have LOGO and Bravo.
And you have FOX News.
[quote]It just gets better and better, so nuanced and complex. It saddens me that this is the official thread on the show, with OP's silly title about "right wing crap." It's clearly nothing of the sort: we get to see America in the 80s through the lens of committed socialist ideology.
I see all the coke you did in the 80s has fucked up your brain. Also, the show is run by Right wingers. This is a Reagan-was-the-best-president television series. Do your research about those behind it. It's blatant propaganda. It's not shocking that it's on a Murdoch-owned network.
R56, shouldn't you be handing out pamphlets by the escalators at a local college?
[quote]This is a Reagan-was-the-best-president television series.
Nope. This is a Reagan-was-scary television series that draws parallels to the current obsession with Muslims-as-terrorists.
[quote]Do your research about those behind it.
Why won't you tell us whom you're talking about and why you think they're right-wingers?
I saw the episode last night and agree with much of what R52 said. I thought Haig was an idiot, too, but I could see people from other countries who had experienced military dictatorships thinking this might be a coup. There were people I worked with who hoped Reagan would die. I thought he was reprehensible, but was not quite that sanguine about it.
I was in junior high in the 60's and we actually had anti-Communist propaganda in our Social Studies class. The US spent a fortune fighting the cold war as did the Russians. But we had a bigger war chest than they did, so we outlasted them. There will be plenty of story lines for this show directly from history.
Yesterday's episode did a great job showing the fear and paranoia on both sides -- the Americans afraid that the assassination attempt was a prelude to a nuclear strike, while the Soviets saw it as a possible first step as part of a military coup. Reagan's jingoistic anti-Soviet saber rattling amped up the Cold War tensions and so I found last night's story line very plausible.
Matthew Rhys used to be a bit pudgy on B&S, now he is getting too thin. Not a good look for him.
BTW, like the show. Ratings are getting better.
Poor Southland. Great show this week. Better than premiere. Ratings still anemic.
Show was RENEWED today for a second season!
[quote] It just gets better and better, so nuanced and complex. It saddens me that this is the official thread on the show, with OP's silly title about "right wing crap." It's clearly nothing of the sort: we get to see America in the 80s through the lens of committed socialist ideology.
Not just their ideology, but also how they -- like all of us -- filter things through their own experience and history. Read up on Stalin's death and look at the paranoia and conspiracies that followed. There's also the history of the problematic relationship between the Communist party and the military. The show's writers have done a good job of understanding this and reflecting it in the attitude and behavior of the characters.
OP fears dead people.
Great news on the second season pick-up.
For anyone who has missed some of the episodes and wants to catch up FX will be running a marathon of The Americans on March 1.
Elizabeth/Nadezhda killed a security cop in cold blood in the last episode. I wonder what the body count will be by the time this series ends.
I also wonder if Claudia could be a double agent. I'm assuming the ouster of Gabriel will be addressed at some point.
I don't watch FX for anything but The Americans so I've forgotten to watch since the premiere.
R51 I remember some people like you on November 22, 1963. Very few, but they were there.
[quote] I also wonder if Claudia could be a double agent.
Claudia a double agent? I don't see it. If she was feeding the FBI information on the sleeper cells, wouldn't Philip and Elizabeth all ready have been arrested or under surveillance?
I do think Claudia is very good at reading people and saying just the right thing to manipulate them, which is what makes her a good spy and handler.
There was the slightest hesitation on Elizabeth's face when she was ordered to put operation Christopher into play. So Claudia told her the story of how she helped fight the Germans at Stalingrad without any military training. Elizabeth, she assured her, would do well in the (guerrilla) war to come (i.e. operation Christopher) because she had been well-trained. Did Claudia actually fight at Stalingrad? Who knows. But It was a nice "we have to defend the motherland" reminder and pep-talk. The camera stayed on Claudia's face as she walked back to her car and I thought she had a grim "I'll do whatever is necessary" expression on her face.
Of course this could all my imagination. Don't know if anyone else has a take on that scene.
Margo Martindale has been cast in a pilot as somebody's mother and the series would be done in LA. Something tells me Claudia will die in a very nasty way by the season finale.
R69, I think Claudia's look as she walked to her car could be interpreted in many different ways. I think it also could have meant "There goes somebody else buying my bullshit." I think the Stalingrad reveal was a lie and was an appeal to Elizabeth's patriotism for the Motherland and that was it.
[quote] Something tells me Claudia will die in a very nasty way by the season finale.
Mags Bennett: "It was already in the glass."
Interesting that others are questioning Claudia, because during the last episode I said to my partner that I get a creepy and untrustworthy vibe off of her and I noticed that "look," too. I also found myself wondering why Philip and Elizabeth don't assume that *they* are under surveillance by the KGB. I would think that their overlords would have them bugged and listening in on them to make sure that they are toeing the line and don't go rogue.
Her replacing Gabriel so suddenly is questionable and will no doubt be a plot point. Her explanation to Philip was pretty feeble.
I finally saw the episode from two weeks ago (the one that began with the racquetball game and that featured the dead guy's wife and baby.) Did anyone notice that when Philip and his daughter were in the coffee shop, the daughter was reading a teen magazine with DL fave Nancy McKeon dressed as Jo on the cover?
Nice touch, R75.
We spent trillions of dollars to keep Russia from attacking America and 19 guys with box cutters we're able to hit the Pentagon and bring down NYC's tallest buildings.
Thing of all the proxy wars -- Vietnam, Nicaragua, Dominican republic invasion, Angola, Congo, Laos, Cambodia. All of them fought to keep tje communists away from America. And we willing let in the guys who were eventually successful at attacking the US on our own ground.
There was a TV movie like this show.]
Called 'Secrets of the Red Bedroom'
Linda Hamilton and Oscar winner Geena Davis played female spies who would seduce married government officials, and then blackmail them with the video-tape of their sex romp.
Oscar nominee Sally Kellerman played their Russian boss.
So Elizabeth went and shot another poor guy in the head. This is one morally complex drama. I wasn't crazy about the sequence with her jumping from car to car in the garage. It looked phony baloney to me.
The actress who plays Martha is really unattractive and not a very good actress. I hope she gets killed off soon.
Keri is doing a fabulous job.
The one criticism: few 30 something suburban mothers wore their hair that long in the early 80s.
I never saw Keri Russel before, she and the male lead are both riveting actors.
They are a big part of the shows success.
I didn't buy the car crawl. The sound of a truck opening is pretty loud.
Sounds like a hit to me.
Now that Raymond Barry's character was killed off in Justified I hope Graham Yost casts him here. His Arlo Givens was the meanest and toughest old son of a bitch. He'd make a convincing utterly ruthless Soviet spy.
Raymond Barry was a sexy son of a bitch back in the day. And I think he has a Russian background.
R81 - Have you lived in a cave? Or are you under 25?
The suspension of belief in this program doesn't bother me. Real spy successes were pretty rare, and fiction has always exaggerated the stories. Between Dexter, Followers and now this one, I'm wondering what's wrong with me that I'm pulling for the bad guys these days.
Noah Emmerich is basically playing the same character he played on White Collar.
[quote] I also found myself wondering why Philip and Elizabeth don't assume that *they* are under surveillance by the KGB.
Well, that little test the KGB put them through on last night's episode was pretty brutal. It was very satisfying to see Elizabeth wail on Claudia's deserving ass.
Loved how Phillip nonchalantly crashed the car into the tree to explain away their disappearance/bruises.
I really love this show. It's getting better every week. I especially love Keri Russell. You're right, r80, that long hair wasn't the trend among suburbans moms during that period, but that doesn't mean you would never find it.
The person being whaled upon tends to wail.
R89 - She would be trying to fit in, and wouldn't have hair passed her bra strap.
One of the best episodes so far last night!!
[quote] I never saw Keri Russel before, she and the male lead are both riveting actors
You've never seen Felicity?
I don't understand why the kids didn't notice the damage in the house caused by the fight between Elizabeth and her abductors.
Since they were under KGB surveillance, we can assume that some agents got the house back in order so as not to raise anyone's, including the kids', suspicions.
please just say if Matthew has shown his perky Welsh ass.
I think Keri is more attractive now than when she was in her 20s.
Now that Elizabeth has asked Gregory to have his people keep an eye out for watchers, what could they discover?
r68, you're comparing Kennedy to Reagan? You MUST be republican.
Just saw the pilot, didn't like it. Just didn't care about any of it and it bothered me that she had sex with her husband at the end. It didn't seems like Keri's character would so quickly get to that emotional place with him. In time I could see her getting there but it was just too stupid the way they did it. Suddenly she feels all into him because he got angry and killed the guy who "hurt" her. My hero. She melts and fucks him. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
R93 and R85, I think Felicity happened during a time when I was working a lot...I totally missed it but I heard her name in relation to her haircut.
Glad I got to see her in ths vehicle.
You should see Felicity.
[quote] Suddenly she feels all into him because he got angry and killed the guy who "hurt" her. My hero. She melts and fucks him. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
R100 There's much more going on than that. It's not that Philip became her hero when he killed her rapist. Elizabeth could have killed Timoshev herself. Philip was about to defect with Timoshev as his bargaining chip. He gave that up when he killed him, but he demonstrated his loyalty to Elizabeth. Trust, loyalty, and betrayal are among the main themes in The Americans.
If you watch episode 5, you'll see Elizabeth take a beating from a man she had sex with to get information. She could have easily killed him, but didn't in order to maintain her cover. On seeing her injuries white knight Philip was ready to rush out and kill the man, but she stops him. As she says, "If I wanted to deal with him, you don’t think he’d be dealt with?"
And while they're entering a new tentative phase of their marriage, there are many obstacle that still stand in their way of trying to make their marriage a real one.
I'm really digging this show.
Elizabeth: I'm sorry I didn't kill you. That's my apology.
Claudia: Better luck next time.
Just tell me that Margo Martindale didn't send chills down your spine with that line!
Keri was badass there.
The kids did a good job too. I'm glad that they aren't making Paige like Dana on Homeland.
Beneath Elizabeth's cold exterior, there's a lot of rage buried deep. Now that the gloves are off I'm looking forward to more sparring between her and Claudia.
So when do we get the Matthew Rhys naked ass shots?
Anybody else think that Beeman might be getting played by that girl from the rezidentura? I get the feeling all is not what it seems there.
Good guess R108! ...i'm also thinking we haven't seen the last of the Rezident - he no doubt has figured out that Nina had to have been the mole. But *if* so, and even if he can convince his superiors he is innocent, he still has to tread carefully, because he left himself in a vulnerable position by getting sexual favors from her.
And at some point i'm thinking Beeman might spot either Phillip or Elizabeth on one of their assignments...
What a tremendous show!
Yes, R108. Nina may have come clean to the Rezident from the beginning and the whole thing may be a ploy to take down the FBI survelliance by corrupting Beeman.
I thought I detected a shift in Nina's demeanor by the end of the last episode. She seemed to change from scared innocent underling to coolly confident and working him like a pro. I think a trap is being set. I suppose it could also be something non-spy related, like maybe she wants to defect and thinks getting pregnant by Beeman will be just the ticket? Either way, I think she's working an angle.
So the son didn't really exist? Irina made him up to get Philip to run away with her? And couldn't that have been another test of his loyalty?
[quote]So when do we get the Matthew Rhys naked ass shots?
Seriously. They kept promising nudity this week, and all we got was that ugly-ass Polish guy's ugly ass.
"Better luck next time."
This coming from next year's Best Supporting Actress Oscar winner Margo Martindale.
The actress who plays Martha is awful. She's distractingly plain looking (yeah, yeah, I know the character is meant to be that) and makes funny faces which don't cut together in various shots. And Chris is plainly a Hispanic character added to the show so the cast can't be 100% Caucasian. But he brings nothing to it.
A lot of people on othed boards seemed to think the hooker at the bar was Elizabeth at first. If anything she slightly resembled Stan's wife.
R115 The actress who plays Martha is a Brit, like Matthew.
Was it ever made clear how the German guy (the assassin) arranged it so that the hooker in the bar met up with the FBI agent? Was he in the bar at the same time?
Did the KGB set up Irina (knowing she was an old girlfriend) to sleep with Philip and make up the son to see if he would take the bait and defect? Is Irina still with the KGB??
Seems like their trying to create a wedge between Philip and Elizabeth? It may be working.
The "Clark"/Martha relationship seems preposterous to me. Doesn't she wonder why she can't call him, or know where he lives?
I've been an avid fan of the show from the beginning but I did think this week's episode (Mar.20) went 'off the rails' a bit. One sexual encounter after another - almost laughable. The "Clark" and the woman from the FBI --it's getting harder to "buy". Richard Thomas and the FBI scenes a bit comical this time - like the actors are starting to be uncertain where they are taking the series.
Nevertheless, I find it all riveting and it will be unforgivable if Keri Russell and Matthew Rhys aren't major contenders for Emmys this year. And Noah Emmerich and Martindale --both just outstanding.
R117, I think it was totally a trap for Philip and yes, they did use her to drive a wedge between Elizabeth and Philip.
Alison Wright has very little acting experience according to imdb. She had a bit part in The Nanny Diaries and been in a few indies but that was it. They could have done a much better job casting Martha.
I think the actress playing Martha's perfect as the lonely, horny mid-level secretary.
Thanks for that, R122/Alison Wright's agent.
R116, about the KGB assassin setting up the FBI agent after meeting the hooker at the hotel bar... The assassin talked to the hooker, she asked what he was into, and he said he was more kinky than what she said.
My best guess is that he told her he wanted her to hook up with someone else (his kink), and directed her to the FBI agent.
Best. Episode. Ever.
Tonight's show a shocker. Best acted, directed, written drama series on TV this season.
If IMDb is to be believed, Alison Wright does not have an agent.
Great episode and since the 8th one it's clear this is going to culminate in the season's finale. The FBI is coming closer and closer to Phillip and Elisabeth. Still my favourite scene from the last episode is the opening scene with them telling their children they are seperating. Very moving.
Interesting everyone talking about Alison Wright. I think she is excellent in the role and anyone that thinks she isn't doesn't begin to understand the character and how difficult it would be to make the character work.
Martha is so needy and yet she senses she has a certain amount of power without really knowing why she does. The actress brings a certain amount of 'giddiness' to the role and that's just perfect. Really impressed with Wright's work and the character is unlike anything you see in TV series these days --complex, vulnerable, laughable, intriguing. I sense she is going to be very important, plotwise, before it's all over.
r128, I agree. with what you wrote. She is credible as a middle aged, average looking woman who is determined to keep the little spice she has in her life from abandoning her.
I think it is uncomfortable to watch someone so average and un actressy be taken advantage in such a cruel way.
Viewers like r115 don't fully understand their reactions of discomfort and translate the anxyiety generated by seeing a real looking person on the screen being mistreated into "dislike for the character" and tell themselves she makes "funny faces".
r115 is perhaps an average viewer but not the most discerning one.
I'm just glad that we're all in agreement that she's ugly.
Damn, paper bag that bitch!
The scene where Philip was banging her from behind and she was begging him to shoot inside her was actually pretty hot! Of course, her face was pointed down and her hair was draped over it. I'm waiting for the moment when she tears his wig off in the heat of passion.
Oh, please, R128/R129, she's awful. She was cast for her look. They could have cast someone plain looking who could have given a much more vivid performance. She seems hyper aware of the camera and I feel uncomfortable watching her. Her inexperience shows and it doesn't serve the character.
I guess I'm old-fashioned in that I still find it surprising when one of the main characters is killed off so shockingly. After all, on this show there are only six actors billed as regulars (Phil and Liz, the kids, and Chris and Stan.) So when one of them goes so early in the series, it's unexpected. But I guess that this happens more often on modern series than it did in the past. In those days, they'd only kill off a main character if there was an issue with the actor, not as a plot device or to shock the audience. And if they DID kill someone, it was usually well-known before the episode actually aired.
Chris was a fairly minor character. His death was shocking, but it would be like if Granny were killed.
Beeman shooting the kid at the end was more shocking. It had a Of Mice and Men feel to it.
[quote]Chris was a fairly minor character. His death was shocking, but it would be like if Granny were killed.
You missed my point, then. The actor who played Chris was billed as a regular, not a guest star, unlike Margo Martindale.
R135 - ah, that's true. But in terms of story, he's been less than Margo.
I don't identify with the Russians in this show and I can't imagine they really mean for the viewer to do so. They are cold blooded killers and users. If anyone is the audience's hook it is Beeman, but he went pretty dark this week.
Who watches the kids when they go out at night on missions? Being travel agents isn't much of a cover for night work. Where do they work? We've never seen them at the office.
R137 They've shown them at the travel agency several times.
I can identify with Elizabeth and Philip.
When I said up thread it was best episode so far and it was a shocker, I of course meant the shocks were Chris character getting killed and Beeman going 'off the reservation', so to speak, by killing the young man. BUT what was most shocking of all is that you have a good series in which, suddenly, both sides have screwed up big time and now viewers have no specific side to root for and that's rare for a series to sort of "explode" like that and viewers completely unprepared for where the story line is going to go in weeks ahead! I find it exciting and pretty damn brilliant on the part of producer/writer.
R136, I think Chris was killed off because of a plot point but also because the actor simply wasn't working out and didn't add anything to the show. They wanted a regular character who wasn't caucasian to make a gesture at diversity but it simply didn't work.
I was sad when poor Kosygin got bumped off. He was actually quite sweet and seeing that bit of freshly eaten burger pop out of his mouth.
This isn't the first time Beeman's gone "off the reservation".
Despite their attempts to back fill his friendship with Chris mostly through flashbacks -- something that seemed done primarily to give the viewers an obvious motivation -- I didn't really buy that as the sole driving factor behind Stan's sudden switch from "I'm not going to do anything unauthorized" to grabbing a low level agent to exchange for Chris.
Is there something else going on? Something deeper that has to do with Stan's time undercover with the white supremacists? So far the show hasn't touched on that crucial period in his life beyond showing us how emotionally estranged he is from Sandra and more closer emotionally to Nina.
R143 - Do you remember when Beeman went off on the stereo store owner? I think it was the second episode.
R144 You mean the guy he took the caviar from? That kind of intimidation is a long, long ways from snatching a Soviet diplomat without authorization.
R145 - Yes, it's a long ways off from capturing the diplomat, but it showed that Beeman is no boy scout.
The point is Beeman killed an innocent man....who happens to have worked for the Russian embassy ---during the COLD WAR. You paid a price for that kind of mistake back in those days. Phillip losing it when the FBI guy harassed him at the car and then, in defending himself when the man attacked with knife, ends up stabbing him is a whole different thing. Phillip may or may not get caught for his causing Chris' death but will still get out of such a tricky situation. The suspense is how Beeman avoids getting caught and, if so, will the FBI cover for him.
Anybody else notice the right side of Noah Emmerrich's mouth twitching more than a few times in the last episode? I wonder what that's about. I don't think it was a character tic.
That's a good point, R147. Beeman may have need to cover this up. That gives him something in common with Phillip. And with both men having marital problems, they seem to be bonding. He probably bonded with someone when he was undercover investigating the white supremacists. In the next season he will he be reaching out more to Phillip and will they be sharing more secrets about their work than they intend to --and maybe even helping each other to cover things up.
I think the actress who plays Martha is very believable. I was that age back then (or slightly younger) and, R118, I knew women like her. They just don't ask themselves the question. They delude themselves into thinking that the man will finally pull away from whatever is keeping them apart. Her slightly weird look makes her particularly vulnerable and she saw the guy in the office because that was the only choice she had. Then "Clark" came along and she didn't have to settle anymore, or so she thinks. And even if she even connects Clark with the FBI guy's death, she'll push it out of her mind, so long as she thinks she has a chance with Clark.
Emmerich's just a bit too cold of an actor for the role I think. The scene where Nina told him the guy he killed didn't want to be KGB but a doctor could have been much more poignant had you seen the reaction in his eyes more. Same for when he went to Phillip's motel room. He just doesn't play internally conflicted terribly well. The script does a great job of filling it in for him.
I don't sense that Stan is internally conflicted as I think you mean. He's not torn between conflicting needs or desires.
In two years undercover with a white supremacy group, Stan learned to always conceal what he really thought and felt and to bury his emotions deep. Buttoning himself up was the only way he could have survived. However, it's left him damaged. From his wife we know that the Stan of the past was a much more emotionally open and engaged man.
Stan knows he's unable to reconnect with his family and life outside of work in any meaningful way and that he's damaged, but he can't find his way back. Stan's bleak, "I don't see a whole lot of future in my sleep tonight" says it all. Noah Emmerich gets Stan's desolation just right.
The scene between Stan and his wife was terrific. Susan Misner delivered a heartbreaking monologue while Noah Emmerrich beautifully played Stan's sadness at seeing someone he cares about being so deeply hurt.
As good as the actor playing Richard Patterson was I just didn't buy that what Richard said to Elizabeth would cause her to go back on her plan to kill him. I suspect Claudia wanted to kill him herself (as revenge for the murder of her one-time lover Zhukov) but knew she couldn't. So planting the idea in Elizabeth's head would get her to do it and then get sent back to Moscow since it's obvious she's a loose cannon. But the plan backfired.
Oh, Philip. I do love him. Matthew Rhys is fantastic.
I strongly suspect that if the show has any form of a cliffhanger in its season finale in two weeks it'll be that the daughter somehow finds out who her parents really are and next season will partly be about how she copes with this news and struggles to keep the secret from her little brother.
[quote]Emmerich's just a bit too cold of an actor for the role I think. The scene where Nina told him the guy he killed didn't want to be KGB but a doctor could have been much more poignant had you seen the reaction in his eyes more. Same for when he went to Phillip's motel room. He just doesn't play internally conflicted terribly well.
He wouldn't be a very good spy if you could easily read what he was really thinking.
You see this all the time on TV -- people in a situation where they are supposed to be masking their emotions instead look stricken or worried, so the audience will know what they're thinking. Yet the people in the scene with them don't seem to notice.
In fact even in regular, non-espionage life, people's emotions or thoughts are quite often not written all over their faces. Most people become pretty practiced at presenting a neutral facade to the world, especially in a work environment. But in drama, actors signal every emotional shift with their expression.
Give the Emmy to Russell and Rhys already. Best performances in drama series this season. I know Russell did 'Felicity' and whatever else. I saw her perform a few times in the past and always thought she was rather good actress but I wasn't prepared for her work in this series. Powerful!
I agree with R154, the leads are acting the heck out of this show.
Just one plot point from this last episode...
Elizabeth leaves a major hand print on the car in the industrial building.
Right there with you both R154, R155. Great acting.
It's the penultimate episode of the season tonight and I'm excited.
Tonight's episode great as usual.
What's "Nina" up to??? Shocked she told her Russian boss she was the mole. I think she looked in to Beeman's eyes and knows he lied when he says he didn't kill the Russian friend of hers. She's going to kill Stan before the season ends, isn't she.
That's exactly what caused her to confess, learning that Stan killed Vlad simply by the look on his face when she caught him off-guard.
Granny as the mother of "Clark" was too funny.
Way too much of Martha in this episode. And sorry, my dislike of the actress continues. She plays her as more of a caricature than is necessary. They obviously cast Wright simply for her deer in the headlights sort of look. A subtle actress could have caused us to feel sorry for Martha, someone desperate for love whose fake marriage to a man who doesn't give a shit about her can only end badly. I hope he throws her off a balcony in next week's finale.
So much going on in tonight's episode as a set-up for what will surely be a killer season finale.
My favorite moment had to be Elizabeth and Claudia in disguise pretending to be Clark's sister and wife at his wedding to Martha. "I can see the resemblance," says Martha's mother.
I also loved the ongoing verbal sparring between Elizabeth and Claudia first over the PacMan game and then just before the wedding. I don't know if Claudia is going to survive the season finale. Since Margo Martindale has signed onto a CBS pilot the odds are we likely won't see her in season two.
I wasn't surprised by Nina's confession to Arkady. It was clear she was profoundly affected by Vlad's death and she had all ready begun withholding information from Stan. I love the way she caught Stan off guard with the question about whether he killed Vlad just as they were about to have sex. Now she's going to be a double agent feeding misleading information to the Americans.
Give Russell an Emmy already. She has been staggeringly good throughout the season; last week's episode may very well have enough meat in it to win the Emmy tape war with Claire Danes (not just the Zhukov scenes/fallout, but the delicious bar seduction scene, which showed her tremendous range).
Larry from "Three's Company" as Martha's dad (again)?
It definitely was the pitch last night for the hit and, hopefully, home run, that will be the finale next week.
I was surprised that Philip asked Martha to marry him and then got stuck actually going through with it. I guess he thought he had to do that to get her to spy for him and thought he could drag out the engagement. It also brought home that Philip and Elizabeth were never really married and have these 2 children, who are US citizens, but born out of wedlock. If they were ever sent back to Russia, what would happen to those kids and how surprised would they be to find out that their parents are spying for Russia.
I hope they don't kill off Margo. Philip and Elizabeth want her sent back to Russia and, if she leave, hopefully, that will be the case, so if her other pilot doesn't work out, she can come back out of retirement.
Nina and the maid confessing to their people that they'd betrayed their countries was also a surprise. If Stan gets killed off, it will be hard for Nina to be a triple agent.
The sketches of what is meant to be Elizabeth and Phillip -- provided by descriptions by the maid in particular-- a chilling moment. Stan convinced the two different looks are the same people. Very interesting that the sketches really don't look like Elizabeth and Phillip but there is something about Stan's reaction to them--does he already know it's his neighbors? or is it going to take him a long time to figure out it's his neighbors? That whole angle of the plot could go on for weeks next season OR maybe that is going to be the 'cliffhanger' in the final episode next week. Really looking forward to how they end this season next week.
Ahnet actress('Nina'). I think she could emerge as a real star from this series. Sexy, exotic, talented. Anyone ever seen her act before?
Agree on all fronts - this cast will perhaps win the SAG ensemble award. It should.
There was a stunning visual at the church. After the ceremony, Phillip and Elizabeth stand by the doors leading down the aisle, with the altar at the end, between them. Elizabeth says "do you think it would have been different if we had exchanged wedding vows?" He says "I don't know..."
...then he walks away.
Leaving her alone - at the altar!
Powerful. Such good writing. That at the heart of all this spy drama is this relationship / non-relationship, this marriage / non-marriage.
Phillip and Elizabeth don't seem to realize they are the only people they can trust.
R165, Annet Mahendru (Nina) really is stunning, isn't she? Talk about perfect casting. My brother just worked as crew on an NBC pilot named The Blacklist starring James Spader and he said she had a featured role in it-as an FBI employee! He said it could easily turn into a regular role if the pilot gets picked up.
What I wondered is don't Philip and Elizabeth need a marriage certificate to cement their cover? I don't get why they were never actually married.
[quote]What I wondered is don't Philip and Elizabeth need a marriage certificate to cement their cover? I don't get why they were never actually married.
I'm assuming they were provided with a complete packet of all the necessary documents to create their American identities and that they would have all been forgeries.
I think the wedding was also a fake, the minister was probably an operative playing a role. Remember Phillip's conversation with Martha about taking his name and how he insisted the "marriage" needed to remain secret? That's because if she filed the necessary paperwork to change her name the fraud would be exposed, as there would be no record of the marriage or her husband in the government database.
Thanks, R168. I'm sure "the illegals" like Philip and Elizabeth had all kinds of faked documents provided for them by the Motherland.
Did a little reading up on Mahendru-she speaks 6 languages and apparently is Afghan-born with Russian-Indian parentage. Very interesting. I thought that scene in the Embassy last night was sort of heartbreaking when the work colleague told Nina that Vlad never made his feelings for her clear because she was "out of his league." I think Nina was probably thinking "But he wasn't. I could have loved him. He's a good man and not a shithead like so many of the others. We could have had a happy life together." And maybe that's why his murder by Stan made her decide to turn yet again.
Graham Yost, who created one of my other favorite series, "Justified" (also on FX) is the showrunner for "The Americans." Somewhat ironic, since he's Canadian!
R170 - almost as ironic as William Shatner as Captain Kirk being a Canadian.
R170 Graham Yost is one of the executive producers on The Americans, but Joe Weisberg is the creator and showrunner. Here's how Yost described his role on The Americans earlier this year at the TCA back in January.
“I read the outlines and give them notes, I read the scripts and give them notes, I read the cuts and give them notes. Sometimes I’ll weigh in on casting, but basically that’s my involvement”. [Yost] described himself as a good sounding board because of his long relationship with FX.
Thanks R167 and R169 for Nina info. I'm a really big fan now and will look out for her in other things. Yes, I did google and see that she was born in Afghanistan but parents not Afghan. So interesting, her background.
Though I wonder if Nina will kill Stan in revenge, I also neglected to mention up thread that the possibility that Stan will reach a point where he has no choice but to kill Nina can't be discounted. Hey, if the actress has done a pilot it's possible she's ot staying with the series and how else will they get rid of her character!
That was a terrific finale to a great first season...going to miss Claudia terribly if she is sent back to Moscow (I think the scenes between Kerri Russell and Margo Martindale are a highlight of every episode). And Margo has booked a new show, so it does not look good.
And can someone please give Kerri Russell the Emmy already?
Something that bothered me from tonight's episode: When Phillip went to find Elizabeth to tell her to abort the mission, why didn't he just casually pretend he was asking for directions (or some other minor distraction) and then have her continue to stroll down the street like she was just out for a walk? That would have seemed perfectly natural, as opposed to the way he did it, which totally flagged them as guilty!
Susan Misner competes with Susan Misner. On two shows "The Americans" and "Nashville" in the same time slot. How often does that happen?
Could Nina "turn" Stan? That would be a development.
It's a good thing the show was renewed because they didn't wrap up any storylines last night.
Margo killing that guy was chilling.
And the poor guy put his gun in his back pocket when he let her in and it ended up being useless to him.
Claudia is kind of strange, but it's good to see that Lady Bunny still gets work.
Margo is sure to win a Featured Actress Oscar for August: Osage County next year so she will have bigger fish to fry than an FX TV series. I just hope The Americans sends her out with a big finish.
I knew her 20 years ago when she was a struggling NY theater actress who always bemoaned losing every role to Kathy Bates. So very happy for her success....she is a lovely gal!
Margo is waiting to find out about a sitcom pilot she did for CBS playing somebody's mother. So if it gets picked up it won't matter if she wins an Oscar or not, she'll be tied to the series for the foreseeable future. It seems pretty likely Claudia won't be in Season 2 at all.
FWIW, I meant to say I knew Margo 30 years ago....which perhaps explains the Kathy Bates frustration better.
Margo stole the show in the last episode.
I would have loved a two-hander episode with just Katya and Nadezhda-oops, Claudia and Elizabeth.
If she is indeed leaving it would be great if their next handler could be played by Vera Famiga. Can she speak Russian? I could see her drifting into an affair with Misha-oops, Philip.
A long running broadcast network TV series is good steady money. I love Margo, but there aren't a lot of good movie roles for women her age. She's expressed an interest in trying to continue to work on The Americans if the pilot is picked up. The producers would love to have her back and they left the finale open-ended enough that it's possible if her schedule allow it. I think that would give her the best of both worlds -- some financial stability and a great continuing role. We'll have to wait and see.
For anyone who missed the panel with the cast and executive producers of The Americans last week at the Academy of Television Arts and Sciences, here's the link.
Margo seems to have a steady relationship going with the FX network. So far she's had roles in The Riches, Justified, The Americans and probably a few more I haven't seen. I think she's wonderful.
[quote]a Featured Actress Oscar
There's no such thing.
I had the good fortune to meet Margo Martindale at a little theater where I was attending a play last month. She looks MUCH better in person. She was a real sweetie and was almost ready to tell me spoilers about "The Americans" until I stopped her.
I used to live across the street from Martindale on the Upper West Side. Many nights in the late spring/summer/early fall I'd see her and her husband (?) sitting on the stoop of their building with friends. She always seemed like a really cool lady.
Great finale. I'm looking forward to seeing how The Americans does in the Emmy nominations. Keri Russell especially should be a shoo-in.
Martindale is definitely a shoo-in. I love Russell, too, but I'd most like to see Matthew Rhys get nominated. He has to do it all on that show, including comedy. He's wonderful at it all.
Emmerich shouldn't be ignored. He deserves awards too. So does the 'Nina". But yes,I agree Rhys is extraordinary and has a very difficult role to bring off --especially having to do the scenes with Alison Wright --tough scenes for both to do without throwing the show " out of whack".
Let's be honest, Martindale, Russell, so many deserve awards for their work in this series. "Mad Men" is a tiresome bore this season but you can bet it will take up noms that should be filled with 'The Americans" cast. "Downton" the main competition for "Americans"??? I don't follow "Homeland" so I don't know if they always deserve the awards. "Bates Motel" I do watch --maybe Farmiga could be the real competition for Russell?
Is Matthew Rhys still in the closet?
Would love to see this show get a boatload of Emmy nominations. It's in my list of top 5 best shows of this TV season and the Emmy attention would help boost its ratings for season two.
I watched the group interview. Matthew Rhys was hysterically funny. It must be fun to work on the set. Margo was so down-to-earth, but funny also. You'd never guess she does such an amazing job with these characters, the one in this series and the one in Justified.
Turns out the executive producer was in the CIA and was contacted to see if he'd be interested in putting together the show.
I really enjoyed the group interview, too, R197. Rhys was so fucking sexy with that gorgeous Welsh accent. And he does this death stare thing which is incredibly funny as well as hot. Martindale was hilarious, particularly when asked about the research she did for her role and she admitted she didn't knock herself out! Emmerrich seemed very charming and eloquent. The gal who plays Nina was probably nervous so she wasn't terribly interesting. I'd love to know more about her family background. I suspect her Indian father is wealthy, he speaks 8 languages. And she speaks 6.
Annet Mahendru plays Russian spy Nina and Alison Wright portrays FBI secretary Martha on FX‘s series The Americans, which has been renewed for Season 2 and is expected to begin production in the fall. Susan Misner, who plays Sandra Beeman, also has been promoted to regular. Mahendru’s TV credits include 2 Broke Girls, Mike & Molly and Big Time Rush, and she’s been in the features Escape from Tomorrow and Love Gloria. This is UK native Wright’s first TV role, while her film credits include The Nanny Diaries. FX’s Cold War spy drama starring Keri Russell and Matthew Rhys was renewed for a second season in February after just four episodes and just wrapped its freshman run. Former CIA agent and Falling Skies scribe Joe Weisberg created the series and exec produces with Joel Fields, Graham Yost and Amblin TV’s Justin Falvey and Darryl Frank for Fox TV Studios and FX Prods
Sounds like OP never even watched the show before criticizing it. It's not a Republican lovefest and as most of these series go, it has more to do with the characters then politics.
The show hadn't even aired yet when the OP started this thread. He was foaming at the mouth about the promos.
[quote]Something that bothered me from tonight's episode: When Phillip went to find Elizabeth to tell her to abort the mission, why didn't he just casually pretend he was asking for directions (or some other minor distraction) and then have her continue to stroll down the street like she was just out for a walk? That would have seemed perfectly natural, as opposed to the way he did it, which totally flagged them as guilty!
The FBI would have picked them both up for questioning. Too suspicious.
OP, that you felt it necessary to explain that the hammer and sickle was 'a Communist symbol' tells me that the show may have some educational value that might benefit a new generation.
Margo Martindale's series was picked up (she and Beau Bridges play Will Arnett's parents) so I would assume her participation in next season's episodes might be limited, depending on how long the new show lasts.
Shame about Margo. She's awesome as Claudia. Figured something like this happened given how perfunctorily they wrote her out.
[quote]Joseph Weisberg created the show. Weisberg worked in the CIA's directorate of operations from 1990 to 1994. As a former agent, any script written by Weisberg must go in front of the CIA Publications Review Board.
Just watched the series on iTunes. Totally addictive. I was watching episodes two at time, and the final three tonight. Can't wait for next season. There's got to be one. Love every single character.
Not quite as good as Homeland, but very close.
Acting wise, it's better than Homeland.
I watched this each week. I dropped Homeland somewhere in the latter first season.
The story lines were consistently interesting, and the 2 leads and Margo Martindale were just too good to miss.
I hope Annet Mahendru (Nina) gets nominated or otherwise recognized for her performance. I think she's been stellar.
I can't think of any weak acting.
Late to the party here, but I just watched the entire season over the holiday weekend.
Then after reading the comments on this thread many of which praise the overall acting, I checked the Emmy noms to see what the show was recognized for.
The only acting nomination I see is for Margo Martindale as Guest Actress in a Drama. No others, and no noms for writing or direction.
Surprising? I don't know. Thankfully there are several very good dramas on TV these days. But that means the competition has gotta make it tougher to be seen as outstanding.
I don't watch all of the shows that got noms instead of The Americans, so I can't make a fair argument for what should have been left off the list to make room for this show. But I do think Margo managed to sneak out a nomination largely based on her win for Justified.
R212 - Keri was robbed.
This was a great concept for a series. There has been enough time passed since the 80's. Honestly, after WWII, the cold war took a lot of people's attention. I was in jr high in the 60's and we had a big social studies unit on communism. Reagan got elected and that anti-communist hysteria surfaced all over again.
Alex Gansa, the showrunner for Homeland, told a reporter during the Television Critics Association summer tour that he thought that The Americans was snubbed by the Emmys.
I just watched the entire series this weekend on DVD. Loved it. The acting is stellar. Some of it does strain credibility, but not too much that it hampered my enjoyment.
Love seeing Keri Russell play kick ass. She is very underrated. And she has great hair.
New season starts 2/26. Here's an interview with Matthew and Keri from this week's EW.
R216 - Actually, I think she had great hair. She had an amazing mane of curls. She since has been straightening her hair.
Can't wait, R217. Love this show.
Keri looks really attractive in this show, especially when she's kicking ass. Glad she's had career longevity.
If there's anything worse than right wing crap, it's left wing crap and there's a lot more of it.
Reminder: Season two begins tonight! I hope they do some sort of recap since it's been so long since the last episode aired. And some of us are old.
Thanks, R222, and I totally agree!
So I haven't seen the show, but I'm going to start.
I'm curious, after reading this thread through: Keri and Matthew's characters are Russian-born, correct? Does the show explain how they were trained to pass as Americans (accents, etc.)? Do they speak in Russian when they're in private?
R224 - Yeah, they did in flashbacks in season 1.
They went through rigorous training from a young age in the USSR to prepare for their careers. (Sort of like how the Communist countries used to select and prepare athletes for the Olympics.) Their marriage was arranged, although their children are their own biological offspring and were born in the US. They speak English all the time, except perhaps when communicating with their fellow operatives who don't speak it.
What's Russian for 69?
I think Claudia's up to no good. There's something hinky about the way that other couple and their kids were found killed right after they had a discussion where Claudia's name came up and Elizabeth got a worried look on her face. Seems like foreshadowing.
Was the other couple in the first season?
I don''t think Claudia had anything to do with the death of the other couple and their daughter. It was pretty clear by the end of season one that Claudia really does care about the well-being of the agents that she's handling. Even though she couldn't tell Elizabeth, Claudia wanted Arkady to abort the meet with the colonel because she thought that it might be a trap.
Haven't you noticed that Claudia has changed her cover and is now "Carol", married to Beau Bridges and living over at CBS?
Love this show!
[quote]They speak English all the time, except perhaps when communicating with their fellow operatives who don't speak it.
They have no contact with anyone who doesn't speak English. All the Directorate S agents in the field are in character as "Americans" at all times, including their handlers. They don't ever communicate directly with Soviet diplomats.
That said, I wonder if they'll ever meet Nina through Stan.
Stan does not want anyone from his life to meet Nina.
Philip's going to become an alcoholic this season. I hope he drunkenly fucks a dude.
This show is outstanding!!
Actually, it's a good show. And seriously, most 99% of television has a particular point of view, one in a thousand slips in with a slant differing from yours and you bitch about it?
Who you bitching about, R237?
I thought this show would be too cheesey to watch.
But then I sat through True Detective, which turned out to be Kraft American passing itself off as artisanal and Homeland, which was Velveeta.
So I watched an episode and decided I'll go with this cheese. It can't be any worse!
Which episode R239? It's not cheese.
I like Paige and Henry. The kids are good. Dana "Lazaro" Brodie should take note.
Paige and Henry are a lot better than Dana.
So many shows are filmed on location now that I assumed this show was, too. But I would be watching and think, "Hey, that sure looks like Central Park. Hey, I could swear that was Astoria. Hey, that house looks like it's in Whitestone or Bayside, Queens. Is that the Throgs Neck Bridge?"
Then they showed this amusement park that looked familiar. I recognized it as a place where my kid had a couple of birthday parties on Long Island.
So I looked up Homeland to see where that DC-based show is filmed and it's in NC. I guess they don't have proper filming facilities around DC for these shows. I wonder why they don't film The Americans in NC? NY has to be more expensive.
I wish they'd stop showing that guy spitting his food out as he gets shot in the head in the episode recaps at the beginning of the show. It's pretty sickening when you're binge watching.
Part of the reason that they film in NY is that Keri lives in Brooklyn. There's also just more filming in NY than in DC.
[quote] There's also just more filming in NY than in DC.
Yeah, I just wondered why they filmed it in NY and not in NC, like Homeland. I'm sure it doesn't matter where the leads of the show live. I doubt Claire Danes lives in NC. Andrew Lincoln doesn't live in GA, where TWD is filmed.
Also, Sleepy Hollow is filmed in NC as well, even though it's set in NY.
Kind of a blooper in The Americans -- when at the amusement park, the teen boy of the other Russian spy family asks if they can go back to the motel so he can go swimming. Everyone is wearing coats and sweaters. Later, he comes back from a swim and finds the family.
Was it common in 1980 for motels to have indoor pools?
It wasn't a motel,R245; it was a hotel. And, yes, it was pretty common for a nice hotel to have an indoor pool.
The Following was set in DC last season and yet it was entirely shot in areas outside of NYC like Westchester and Long Island. That's probably mostly to do with Kevin Bacon. I'm not sure it's the same situation with The Americans. Actors and crews simply prefer to work and live in NY.
They've filmed several times in my neighborhood (Morningside Heights.) Maybe three times now.
R245 - About Homeland
"The series is filmed in and around Charlotte, North Carolina. The location was chosen because of film tax credits, and the atmosphere matches nearby Virginia and Washington, D.C., where the series takes place. Production claims it is easier to get around the area's smaller city atmosphere rather than in large cities where filming typically occurs. Another frequent setting is nearby Mooresville. Executive producer Michael Cuesta said Mooresville is "played for quite a few rural-type one-stoplight main-street type of towns.""
The Americans does not have to follow Homeland's lead.
[quote] The Americans does not have to follow Homeland's lead.
I never said they had to.
I expressed surprise that they filmed in NY when it's cheaper to film elsewhere. SHO and AMC probably have bigger budgets than FX, but they film in less expensive places.
One show that should have filmed in NC or GA was Royal Pains. They filmed nearly all of their exterior "Hamptons mansions" shots on the Gold Coast of Nassau County, which looks nothing like the Hamptons. There was about one three-second-long visual in each episode that was actually filmed in the Hamptons. Beach scenes and hospital scenes were filmed in CA.
They could've saved a boatload of money if they'd filmed in NC or GA. They've got beaches in those states as well as mansions that don't look anything like Hamptons mansions, (just like Nassau County, but for loads less money)
Louisiana is becoming a less expensive filming alternative, too. Pretty soon when someone says they're flying to LA to film a show, they'll have to specify LA as in Los Angeles or LA as in Louisiana.
I liked the kid playing the marine on last nights episode. This season isn't really grabbing me yet. Too many scenes in the Russian embassy.
I like the scenes in the Russian embassy and the introduction of Oleg. He seems smart and ambitious and I'm interested to see what role he's going to play, especially with regards to Nina.
And while this show has featured lots of honey traps, the mention of the closeted gay Navy Seal and how it made him vulnerable to blackmail by the Soviets made me wonder if we'll ever see The Americans explore that.
Oh, R256, you got there first. I'd LOVE to see Philip finally do the homosex to lure Andrew Larrick to his doom.
[quote[Oh, [R256], you got there first. I'd LOVE to see Philip finally do the homosex to lure Andrew Larrick to his doom.
You'll be happy to know that, as a Method actor, I've been doing a lot of, uh ... let's call it "rehearsing" for this potential upcoming storyline.
"Justified" is set in rural southeastern Kentucky, but they film all of it in L.A. County. I think they do a pretty good job most of the time.
I'm not quite sure who was getting repeatedly slammed with the trunk door by Elizabeth.
I don't trust Granny. Why on earth would Moscow Center not care about who killed their deep cover sleepers? It doesn't make sense.
And why should Stan and John Boy be in big trouble because Stan killed a KGB agent on American soil? The KGB killed 3 FBI agents and an American scientist on American soil and only Elizabeth's mentor in the USSR was killed in retaliation. America had 3 more kills to even the score, Stan killed only one.
I watched this just last night. Keri Russel is hot.
Those last two episodes were great. The couple that attacked our lead actors at the end of the show...they looked like trained Russian sleeper agents.
Are they turned? Or is Mags Bennett using them to kill off Soviet agents? That guy in the embassy seems to be working for the west. Double agents everywhere!
R262 I wonder if they're trained Israeli agents. Historically Israel has spied on the U.S. I wouldn't be surprised if in The Americans the Israelis had agents watching the Jewish scientist because they had either all ready convinced him to pass technological secrets (i.e stealth technology) to them or had plans to do so. Could they also have been behind the deaths of the other two Soviet sleeper agents also?
The actor who played the Russian physicist (Michael Aronov) is hot. I remember him from a great two-part episode of "The Closer."
R263 - In the preview for next week's episode, the agent left behind identifies himself as being Mossad.
Although, are agents supposed to identify who they work for? Might be misdirection.
Stan is a dweeb. His wife is so hot. Before he started banging Nina, I thought he was gay. Why would an ugly, old, pockmarked guy like Stan be completely indifferent to his hot wife who is looking to fuck him?
[quote]And while this show has featured lots of honey traps, the mention of the closeted gay Navy Seal and how it made him vulnerable to blackmail by the Soviets made me wonder if we'll ever see The Americans explore that.
I too have wondered when, if ever, we'd get to see one of them (Philip, please!) have to use sex with someone of the same gender to get whatever it was they needed. The moment they mentioned the gay Navy Seal, I immediately thought maybe that moment has finally arrived (because why mention it if it wasn't going to figure into the story somehow).
Besides, we need more naked Matthew Rhys scenes on this show!
R266 - Stan is damaged. Something happened to him on his prior assignment. I want to see more of his flashbacks.
Is anyone here a native Russian speaker? I feel like the actor who plays Arkady speaks fluent Russian but that he doesn't have a Russian accent when he speaks Russian.
That Mossad agent is one fucking hot daddy.
After last night's episode's reality check Philip will hit the vodka hard.
Who's watching the kids when the parents are out kidnapping people, spending the night with their other spouse, masquerading as a Midwestern Betty buttinsky, attending lectures by soviet dissidents, meet with turncoat colonels, pick up audiotapes from spy cars, guarding the maid of Caspar Weinberger and her son, going to Philly to hang with the black guy who committed suicide by cop...
They're gone more than they're home.
Did travel agents really get around so much in the 1980s?
R258 We know Matthew, we know
Do you think the Israelis will grab back the scientist as soon as the 1500 soviet Jews are allowed to leave? In real life, there's no way Mossad would allow a scientist with the key to stealth technology be traded to the Russians.
Have we seen the gay SEAL yet?
No, R275, we haven't. And I can't wait.
Watching tonight's episode. They had an extended shot of Keri Russell's ass. I was surprised how good it looks. She's so thin, you'd think she has a bony ass, but she doesn't.
Lesbians and ass admirers should tune in to the second showing at 11 pm EDT.
Watch a whole episode?!? That's what tumblr gifs are for!
A little disappointed that Larrick was played by Lee Tergeson. I was hoping for someone more macho and a little less obvious.
Felicity butt naked. What would Sally think?
I'm beginning to suspect that the kid whose family got murdered actually did it himself or he was somehow in on it.
But, R283, we saw him come back to the room...I don't think he was involved.
I do think Claudia knows more than she's letting on.
R284, I think they've gone too far by having the lady who's looking after him say what a wonderful kid he is.
R285, isn't it possible he was "acting" his horror at his family's murder? That hotel room was a public place, after all.
Well OF COURSE they got Tergersen. Meh. I was hoping for someone else.
R286 - it's possible, I will grant you. I just think it's unlikely. It would be an interesting twist but I'm not sure they can sell it (if they were going to make the son the murderer, we should be spending more time with him, I think, getting to know him a bit)
Revealing that he killed his family would kind of be a cheap cop out - in my opinion. That would come really out of left field.
If ppl took issue w/Felicity cutting her hair, well she's giving handy j's, wearing wigs, taking it 'up the duff' and kicking #Bosslady ass!
I luv it...not sure about the author's penchant for seeing is as a Reagan-focused show, though...it is the 80s after all
HIGHly recommend it!
So that's it with the gay Navy SEAL storyline? What a waste. And I agree with R281: Lee Tergeson was too obvious a choice to play that character.
I think Claudia is Elizabeth's mother.
R291 - intriguing thought.
She can't be Elizabeth's mother -- she's Will Arnett's mother on CBS!
So will Chris Meloni be doing a cameo as Lee Tergesen's closeted detective boyfriend?
I love this show, but I hate the title of this thread.
OT, but Jesus, Meloni's "sitcom", "Surviving Jack", really is an abomination...
Renewed for Season 3! So awesome!
[quote] Felicity butt naked
Could have been a stand-in. The butt scenes were filmed from a camera at ceiling height. When her face was being shown, they didn't go full-ass
I could not get through this episode. I tried three times. I know Soviet chick took a lie detector test, she's sleeping with Oleg now; Claudia thinks she (Claudia) may have gotten the other couple killed. The FBI agent said a Soviet chick passed her lie detector test (but did she really?) if she did pass, FBI guy is the biggest stooge ever.
The son broke into a neighbor's house to play with a video game; Elizabeth and Nicaraguan chick hung out in a coffee shop; I can't remember if Nicaraguan chick's stooge bf died last week or this week. Philip is interviewing someone about ARPNET, precursor to the internet.
Was there more?
Every show should have Martha in it. She's so awesome. She does a great American accent. It's so cute that she thinks Philip/Clark is an animal in bed, but Elizabeth thinks Philip is just meh in the sack.
You KNOW Philip is going to start fucking their new handler. He is so annoyed with her because he is attracted to her.
Oh, and "Larrick is a dangerous man" is the "winter is coming" of this show.
The show is a little bit right-wingy. There are references about how Reagan is going to take down the Soviets; that the soviets are going to suffer, "Now that there's a president who really knows how to deal with them," and shit like that. It is annoying and I wish they'd stop.
Last week's episode still isn't On Demand in TWC in NY. I'm pissed. Why the delay?
The show features Soviet spies and is sympathetic to them. The FBI agents don't come off all that well. It's not right wing.
The Americans isn't trying to take a political view. It's interested in showing the personal and emotional lives of the Russian spies and the FBI agents. To that extent, yes, the Soviet agents are show sympathetically.
Although no doubt some people on the left will be upset to learn that the showrunners consulted with Oliver North for next week's story line about the contras.
no show this week?
Yes, there's a new episode tonight. 10-11:11 PM.
So, tonight's ep was called "New Car." I was surprised to find out how literal that title turned out to be!
Could someone please explain who Andrew Larrick is in terms of the plot and why Elizabeth uses a disguise when interacting with him. I'm a bit lost.
I am lost, too. I feel like there was an episode missing in the last week or two, though of course there wasn't. I love the show, but the Russian scenes really are dragging and I do not get the Larrick storyline at all. I hope they clarify a few things this week. I can't be alone (well, R307 and I).
The show ALWAYS refers to Ronald Reagan as the president who "is finally serious about taking down communism!" There are constant images of him talking about the USSR and how our strong military will defeat them; about how his military budget must not be voted down. Characters refer to having a president who is finally getting tough with the soviets.
It tries to paint Reagan as the only serious anti-communist Cold Warrior and as the president who finally defeated the Soviet Union. It's not all that subtle, folks.
It also paints Nicaragua as some kind of well known, just war. It wasn't. Congress voted against it. We violently overturned a government we didn't like because they had the nerve to oust the dictator we'd set up down there. They make it seem like the sandanistas were soviet-supported revolutionary stooges. They weren't. The sandanistas were ordinary Nicaraguans who believed in democracy and had no idea what was going to happen to them via the US media/industrial/military complex. They were Iike the college kids in the US who were idealistic and they were willing to die for Nicaraguan freedom. And die they did.
If you hear about Iran Contra, it will be from the mouths of the soviet agents, who will say it was the wrong thing to do. It *was* the wrong thing to do, but making it come from the mouths of soviet agents will make it sound like it really was the right thing to do because it helped us whoop soviet ass and win the Cold War, woo hoo!
[quote]The show ALWAYS refers to Ronald Reagan as the president who "is finally serious about taking down communism!" There are constant images of him talking about the USSR and how our strong military will defeat them; about how his military budget must not be voted down. Characters refer to having a president who is finally getting tough with the soviets.
You really do seem to be missing the point, R309.
Elizabeth is such a fucking hypocrite saying how our government had been guilty by association with the right-wing Nicaraguan government, resulting in "kids, nuns and journalists" being murdered. Doesn't she know anything about the Stalin regime, for starters?
What was a pre-teen like Henry going on and on sbout being a "good person?" What the fuck was he talking about? Thr scene was well acted but seemed highly unlikely. I disagree with posters on that other board who think his parents will be suspicious of him now-I sense they see a possible agent they can train someday.
I'm glad Lucia got murdered. She was working my last nerve and the actress was uncharacteristially bad casting on the part of the show.
Who is taking care of their damn kids?
The parents out in the middle of the night running around in black clothes kidnapping people, dumping an injured fellow KGB guy at a hospital where he later dies; holding the son of Casper Weinberger's maid hostage; killing policemen outside Weinberger's house; seducing FBI encrypters; getting abducted and tortured by the KGB to find out if they are FBI moles; tracking Polish dissidents; thwarting attempts to kill American scientists; killing the assassin the KGB hired to kill the American scientists; kidnapping and finally killing FBI agent Amador, going to meet black guys in Philadelphia; tracking dissident scientists; kidnapping a CIA guy from a bar and later killing him; getting involved in a car chase with the FBI where Elizabeth gets shot; pretending to be an arms dealer then killing afghans; holing up in warehouses with a captured Mossad agent; meeting with sandanistas; meeting with Larrick; meeting with Claire or the new handler; breaking into senators offices; sleeping over the second wife's house; having sex with some guy so he can be blackmailed; pretending to be a janitor doing something with the Arpanet and a bug the size of a rat; showing up at a factory and threatening to kill a guy if he doesn't give them a propeller they want; pretending to be a social worker; dating a naval guy to get information on Larrick; sleeping over at Martha's house disguised as Clark's sister while Philip spends the night negotiating with the Israelis;
We've seen a babysitter once.
Who was the woman in Nowhere, PA who pretended to be Elizabeth's great aunt? A retired KGB agent?
The kids never ask why they don't have grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins.
What point, R309? The show portrays Reagan as the anti-soviet hero who won the Cold War.
R313 - It shows some on the right saying that. Would you judge All in the Family based on what Archie said?
Good summary, R312. One of the reasons the show is so good is because the two leads are absolutely repulsive people yet are still compelling to watch.
Damn, Matthew Rhys gave an Emmy-worthy performance in last night's episode.
Loved Liz going all Mommy Dearest on that ungrateful ninny of a daughter.
I hated Martha all last season but I actually liked her last night. I genuinely felt sorry for her when Clark played her the tape. Rhys was brilliant at conveying Philip's dual reasons for playing it-out of sheer cruelty stemming from his rage issues along with the need to use it as a way of getting her to turn on the guys at the office.
They killed that Russian mistress/ spy? How did I miss that? Never liked her.
Oops! The wrong girl. I thought it was the mistress who got killed. It was that young girl.
Uhh, not really, R119. It doesn't exactly portray Reagan as a hero.
OK, was I seeing things, or did last night's episode have a "Story by" credit for OLIVER NORTH?
It was only because he gave them input on the Contras/Sandinistas storyline.
I have gotten totally lost as to what is happening on this show.
The people who think this is a right wing show are morons. Beeman is an FBI agent and he is by far the most unstable and morally compromised character on the show.
I don't want to be unkind, but there may be a few people here who are too dumb to be watching this show (which isn't that complicated.)
R325 To be fair, you do really have to pay attention. It's not something you can watch while you're doing something else that requires some concentration.
One of the most emotionally and politically complex shows on tv right now.
[quote]I have gotten totally lost as to what is happening on this show.
This season Phillip and Elizabeth's storyline is complex because they're juggling two different assignments: the official KGB mission-of-the-week handed down by their new handler Kate (repatriating the Jewish scientist, bugging the Arpanet router, stealing propeller plans etc), and the search for the killer of their friends and colleagues Emmet and Leanne at the behest of their former handler Claudia.
Larrick was an operative for Emmet and Leanne; they were blackmailing him because he is gay. Claudia told P & E that he is the most likely suspect in their murders.
I love love love Annet Mahendru and think Nina is the best character on television right now. Also loving the guy who plays Oleg.
I didn't watch this during its first season because I didn't want to relive the Reagan years, and I guess I felt like it might actually be right-wing crap.
But then I binge-watched season 1, based on the stellar reviews I'd read from the reviewer I most respect, and I LOVED it. I've been watching season 2 as it airs, and I think The Americans is right up there with the best of the best dramatic TV out there.
It doesn't take any kind of right-wing or conservative position; if anything, it highlights just how offensive our government behaved in the early 80s. The writing and acting are excellent, the period details are right, and the storylines have so far been engaging, surprising and complex.
I can't wait to see the writers touch on the emergence of the HIV virus and AIDS, although it will surely be tangential to the main focus, which is the spy-vs-spy setup that's so fascinating.
It's too bad that, even though they're set in the same city, "The Americans" and "Scandal" take place in different decades. Otherwise we might get to see a mini-Felicity reunion between Scott Foley's "Jake Ballard" and Elizabeth.
Ah, R328, I actually never caught it that Larrick was being blackmailed by Emmett and Leanne for being gay.
I think that Emmett and Leanne's son is involved with their murders somehow. Maybe he was involved with Larrick.
Matthew Rhys is a great actor, but the series is ridiculously right-wing.
total jerk off material for Bill O"Reilley
Phillip is coming apart because of the lives he has to take in the course of his job. I would hate it if he turned to American-style religion to soothe his conscience and find redemption. I want Phillip and Elizabeth to remain committed socialists at odds with both capitalism and the Motherland.
I think it's been renewed for another season, but if it will last long enough for them to get into the Glasnost/Gorbachev era.
Meant to say "I wonder if it will last ..."
The people who are saying this is "right wing" really do seem very stupid. Read R329 again:
[quote]It doesn't take any kind of right-wing or conservative position
Just because the show has a character stating support for a right wing position, does not mean that the SHOW is supporting that position. All the characters are very grey and complex; no one is shown as being completely clean or completely right. If you think this is supporting some kind of right wing point of view, the show is evidently too sophisticated for you to understand.
The people who are saying this is "right wing" really do seem very stupid. Read R329 again:
[quote]It doesn't take any kind of right-wing or conservative position
Just because the show has a character stating support for a right wing position, does not mean that the SHOW is supporting that position. All the characters are very grey and complex; no one is shown as being completely clean or completely right. If you think this is supporting some kind of right wing point of view, the show is evidently too sophisticated for you to understand.
This series is disgusting Neo-fascist crap
The ones who call it right wing and neo-fascist crap are just being contrarian. Ignore them. This show is fantastic.
Matthew Rhys and Keri Russell's acting on this is up there with the very best. Russell is reminding me more and more of the late, lovely Lee Remick.
R325 - LOL!
It is a complex plot, and the characters are ambiguous.
Most interesting and disturbing was Elisabeth wanting Philip to be Clark when they were having sex.
They are not being contrarian. The show is right wing and neo-fascist crap. They hired Oliver North, for God's sake! What is more fascist than that?
Oliver North is a fascist, but he's not the only person working on the show. You sound just like the right wingers who scream media bias at every opportunity.
Oliver North got credit for supplying background info for this one episode. He's not on the writing staff. Jesus.
This show is fantastic; it haunts me in my dreams. They do capture the period very well (I was a kid then, but nevertheless) and every character has vulnerabilities, which are laid bare despite the horrendous things they do.
I don't get the right wing thing at all. The main characters are sympathetic, maddening...too many shades of gray to call one side or the other.
"Shades of grey" is what this show is all about. It is neither "right wing crap" nor anti-American, even though the protagonists, KGB agents, are treated sympathetically.
The real message I'm getting is just how stupid, costly and morally bankrupt the Cold War was, and how brainwashed people on both sides of such conflicts are.
The show keeps me hooked. And would I be the only one to think that Richard Thomas, strangely enough, is way sexier now than when he played John-Boy Walton decades ago?
"The real message I'm getting is just how stupid, costly and morally bankrupt the Cold War was, and how brainwashed people on both sides of such conflicts are."
I agree R345
I second that, R345. Excellent observation and a really good description as to what this superb show is about.
Great to see all the love for this show! I've loved it since it started.
The credit with "Story by Oliver North" is actually shared. The other writer is a black lesbian separatist playwright who is partnered to a friend of mine.
Last night's scene with Emmett and Leanne's son seemed to hint at his possible involvement with their murders.
The scene in the episode before last where Philip and Elizabeth confront Paige about giving her money to the church, where Philip trashes her bible, was really riveting.
OP trolling? Are you kidding me? It's like a total Commie Festival. It's the Woodstock for us hard core lefties. Daily Kos has given it 10 stars. Clooney and Damon have both praised it, as have Affleck and Sean Penn. Are you watching the same show as me? Oliver Stone uses the opening as his Instagram pic. Definite troll.
R350: I thought the scene was hinting that he knew something was up with his parents.
I think that's what they want you to think, R353. I think there's a twist coming.
Rewatched the last episode and I'm positive the son killed his parents and sister now.
You might be right R355!
What was that all about? Jared knew his parents were spies? Why else would Kate meet with him undisguised and leave a message to get him out?
The poor kids on this show never have friends. They don't have friends over to visit at their houses; they don't visit friends at other houses. They have no grandparents or cousins or aunts or uncles.
Poor Paige finally makes friends and the parents go ballistic.
I KNEW IT!
Told ya so.
Love this show!
Why is Larrick pissed off at the Russians that he's killing the handlers? What friends died? (He mentioned friends last night). In any case, I think Phillip, in some disguise, will end up sleeping with Larrick, and when Larrick is vulnerable, will kill him. That's my guess!
R360 - his friends were the guys at the secret training camp that Philip and Elizabeth infiltrated.
I still don't think Jared killed his parents and sister - maybe Kate did it, at his urging? maybe she was in love with Jared and killed his family so that they could be together?
Only two episodes left. This has been a great season.
There's a major "This is right-wing crap!" troll who is stifling good conversations about this show in this thread.
Fuck off, shit-stirrer at R309/etc.
I don't think Jared killed his parents and sister. This doesn't seem like the kind of show that pulls a stunt out its ass like a deranged son kills his entire family.
I want to know why was Kate visiting Jared? She wasn't in disguise the way Elizabeth was.
[quote] I think Phillip, in some disguise, will end up sleeping with Larrick, and when Larrick is vulnerable, will kill him.
Larrikin knows what Philip looks like. He's seen him in disguise twice. I don't think a different disguise would fool him.
Larick is really annoying me. He's like a superhero. He knows every single aspect of espionage, which is not how it works.
Why doesn't the KGB just follow him and pick him off with a sniper? He's only one guy. Kate knew something was wrong before she stepped into her apartment. Why didn't she slam the door and run?
I'm perplexed at the Jared thing. Did he know his parents were spies? How did he find out, did his mother tell him when he was younger? Did Kate tell him? Why was Kate visiting him undisguised? Did the KGB kill Emmett and Leanne? How is Jared involved?
Jared killed his family. There's no way they would bring him back on-screen unless he did.
I'm assuming there will be a bittersweet moment for Elizabeth when she reveals the contents of Leanne's letter to him before she snaps his neck.
If Jared killed his family, the KGB told him to. Why else would Kate have been meeting him undisguised? Why else would Kate want the Jennings to get him out of the US?
I think maybe Kate thought Larick would be over and done with in Nicaragua. But then the Jennings killed Larick's cohorts and he came back. I think she believed Jared was now in danger from Larick and she met with Jared, told Jared that his parents were spies (but for the CIA, not for the KGB), told him that they were assassinated and that he was in grave danger and that she was going to move him somewhere safer.
She may have been looking to move him somewhere in the US away from Larick, but when she knew she was going to be killed, she decided he had to be sent to Moscow to be safe.
Why is Larrick hot on Jared's trail? The murders of Emmett, Leanne and their daughter were reported by the media. Undoubtedly it was mentioned that their bodies were found by their son. So it's not as if Larrick didn't know Jared existed. He could have hunted him down and killed him any time after the murders. Why now?
How did he get close enough to put a gps in Jared's backpack without being noticed? Larrick knows that the woman who dropped Jared at the train station got away and that she is likely involved in the camp murders, so it's not as if Jared is going to lead him to the people who killed his friend.
Larrick is trying to use Jared to flush out other agents. Remember he met Elizabeth and she let him live...he knows she is part of a team, probably that killed the soldiers. I don't think he was friends with those guys, I think the killing at the base showed him his usefulness was gone to the Ruskies and now he is cleaning up anybody who knows he's a traitor to the US so he won't get caught.
Jared absolutely killed his parents with his poor little sister being collateral damage.
Could Philip and Elizabeth possibly look any more like cat burglars when they go out at night, he in his black beanie, she in her black baseball cap. And all dressed in black clothes.
I'll prove you all wrong tonight. All of you!
I haven't watched the show yet.
Did they choose Phillip and Elizabeth as their names because of Prince Phillip and Queen Elizabeth?
Don't know R374.
Elizabeth, rather than Beth or Liz or Betty, fits Keri's character.
This show always uses the shittiest music. And I can't believe they paid washed-up Pete Townshend for that forgettable pool song.
If I were a non-brain-dead 14 year old, I would wonder why I don't have grandparents. I'd wonder where my parents grew up and why neither one of them has siblings or a high school yearbook or wedding photos or friends. I'd wonder why I don't really have friends, either. And why my little brother only exists every few weeks.
Told ya so.
What did the note say?
[quote]What did the note say?
"Tell Nina I'm sorry."
The fact that it was typed made me think Arkady fabricated it, though. And what about that envelope stuffed full of money that Oleg gave Nina? Wasn't that supposed to be so she could run away?
R283, I owe you a big apology. You were absolutely right!!!
What a great season. Looking forward to the third season already!!!!
Sorry, apologies also to R255/371!!! if you're not the original "Jared did it" person
Heh, apologies accepted. I didn't love that it was all revealed as a "deathbed confession," though. And not once to Philip and Elizabeth seem to take it in that the kid was a psycho. They seem to place the blame squarely on the Center.
Yeah, it was a LOT of exposition to deliver...it wasn't exactly the best-integrated of reveals, if that makes sense.
I did like that in Stan's dream, you see Martha putting files from the mail robot directly into her bag. Nice, subtle touch.
So in the end, it was the KGB who killed Leanne's family. The parents refused to let Jared be recruited so the Center sent Kate to seduce Jared into working for them, knowing this would provoke conflict in the family. I wonder if Kate egged Jared on, like reminding him that his father had a gun. In order to recruit a native-born American to infiltrate the FBI or the CIA, it would be worth it to Moscow to dispense with the rest of the family.
Kind of makes you wonder if the girl who meets Paige on the bus was really coincidental. Maybe the preacher is KGB. It would be a great cover. But it would fuel rightwinger viewers' beliefs that progressive Christians are communists. They already filled up their crazy net sites with comments about the anti nuke movement being linked to the soviets when Paige went with the church to protest nukes and her parents approved of it.
This really is a Reagan lovefest show, though.
It was kind of stupid of Philip to tell Arkady that he and Elizabeth "were finished" if the KGB insisted they recruit Paige. Look what happened to Jared's family. The Center knew (via Kate) that Jared killed his family and never told Philip and Elizabeth what happened.
Common sense should tell Philip that Paige would be more valuable to the KGB than her parents are. He's kind of asking to be killed.
"Clark" is also in danger now that Martha's packing heat. If she finds out anything she doesn't want to hear...
In Beeman's dream...he was aware that Martha was stealing files...that will come up next season.
Very good show!
The KGB will wonder if Philip might defect to keep Paige and Henry from being recruited. Elizabeth voiced doubts to the KGB about Philip's loyalty at the beginning of the series. With Elizabeth agreeing that Paige should be recruited, with Philip stupidly going to Arkady, with Philip being in regular touch with an FBI employee (Martha) to whom he could defect, he's going to be in some serious danger.
I wonder if Jared had a big dick.
R391 For his sake, I sure hope so, because he was as ugly as sin.
Does anyone know if Nina will be back next season? I love her.
R392, the creators/co-writers of the show have said she'll definitely be back for Season 3. Here's what I see happening:
Nina is returned to Moscow to face trial. It's revealed that Oleg is an only child with elderly parents and his mother is dying. Nina discovers she's pregnant. Oleg's father pulls the right strings so that Nina can be released and live with them until the baby is born. The father and, of course, Oleg know that the baby could be Stan's but they never mention it to the mother, who dies having finally seen her grandson being born and having held him in her arms. Oleg and Nina return to DC with the baby, who is actually Stan's. The Center uses this situation to try to turn Stan for good.
I laughed at the Nina Perp Walk. Like they don't have indoor garages at the residentura where she would have been hustled inside of a windowless van. .
Oleg could get me pregnant any time he wants. Well, if I had lady parts anyway.
I hope when they finally end the series (which will likely be well before Glasnost and the fall of the Soviet Union) they have a "Six Feet Under" kind of ending where they show what happened to everyone (at least those who survive.)
R395, it should start with the Berlin Wall coming down.
Finally watched the last episode. Great! Glad to see Margo back even if only for a small scene and for setting up what's sure to be an interesting and provocative 3rd season.
Good job all around!
Frank Langella's joined the cast for Season 3 as a new handler. Should be interesting.
Since the new season premieres in January, I assume they already have a few episodes in the can, and perhaps most of the season either already written, or at least outlined. So I fear that the cancellation of "The Millers" came too late to allow much, if any participation of Margo M. in the new season.
I thought the new season premiers in late February
Two episodes were in the can as of early November. I have a friend who does post production work on the series but haven't talked to him lately.
I've never seen it, is it a lot of right wing bullshit?
R402 Not at all.
Also, I just read about some new British series that has a similar premise, but I can't remember the name.
They're shooting the 4th episode now. They shoot 13 episodes per season. There's plenty of time to write her back in.
One of the best shows on tv. Can't wait for season 3!
Give me an honest answer, is it right wing propaganda?
NO. Great show. Watch a few episodes, r406
OK, I'm trying to believe you.
Why don't you try reading some reviews or other message boards if you're so skeptical?
I'm rewatching it and noticing the Reagan love. Also, I highly doubt the "revolution" in Nicaragua was being directed by the Soviets. Nicaraguans were trying to democratically elect the party they wanted as rulers. It was the US that turned it into an armed conflict.
I'm rewatching it and am noticing some wingnut static.
I'm trying to remember how many KGB people knew the true killer of Leeann and Emmett. Because that means they allowed Elizabeth and Philip to worry about their lives and their children's lives needlessly. Did the KGB use their deaths to get Elizabeth and Philip to kill Larrick?
The original thread was started before season 2 got going apparently. The gay character kicked ass! Hot as hell, and terrified the Soviets. Even had a gay sex scene or two. Sure, there's some rightwing flair, but with the Cold War in the 80s, that was the norm for Dems and Repubs. It was the era of Red Dawn, and better dead than red.
I have to laugh my ass right off at any gay idiot who worries he may get some Ronald Reagan cooties.
If you are concerned, do not watch this very well scripted/performed program. There are lengthy segments showing Reagan speeches and how they tie in with the current episode.
"I have to laugh my ass right off at any gay idiot who worries he may get some Ronald Reagan cooties," said the right-wing closet case fingering his hole to a picture of Rush Limbaugh.
It's interesting to me that this series has it's obvious right wing underpinnings. (Oliver North is credited as co-writer of at least one of the Contra episodes.) But no amount of lipstick can transform the pig that was Ronald Reagan's presidency. Whether they intend to or not they capture a lot of the idiocy of American foreign policy and government in the 80s.
I also love all the Soviet stuff just because this is something I didn't know anything about growing up. It's also part of the reason I enjoy Tom Robb Smith's Child 44 books: that peek "inside" the Soviet culture without the hysterical anti-communist rhetoric that I'm all too familiar with. Love Kerri Russell in this.
R406 It is right wing propaganda and somewhat fascist. Pure rubbish.
How about some examples R414? The characters aren't propaganda cartoons -- they're pretty complex. Even Elizabeth, the communist stalwart, deals with moral and emotional dilemmas that transcend ideology. That's what makes this show so rich and compelling.
I can't help noticing how bad they make Kerri Russell's face look. She looks mean and testy and tired. I can't help but think they deliberately make her up to look a little witchy because she's the real Commie in the family. The makeup and lighting of her is deliberately unflattering, giving her dark circles under her eyes and and other dark shadows on her face, even in a bright room.
They are much kinder to Matthew Rhys's Philip, except when he gets pissed about religion. Then they give him dark face shadows, too.
I have to say, I find it silly the way they make Rhys's character such a softie in so many ways. Like he's agonizing about sending the Jewish guy away from his family. Please, if they'd told him to kill the guy, would he think twice about because he's a "family man"? Philip knows that he might have to kill Martha in a nanosecond and it doesn't phase him. But taking a guy away from his son makes Philip all self-loathing? Pretty messed up priorities, writers.
True left-liberal here, and I enjoy this show a lot. Neither side is portrayed as completely true to its ideology, and the complexities of human relationships and allegiances are central to the series.
Waiting for the next season to start, I'm enjoying the hell out of The Game on BBC America, which is set in 70s Britain and is a little more traditionally spycraft, and very well done. The central character is a fine looking man, as well.
R403, that british series is called "The Game"
It's available on demand on BBC america. That's how I discovered it. I enjoy the game, I think the lead looks like a young Jonathan Ryse Myers.
I also enjoy The Americans. I am looking forward to the new season.
Keri looks fabulous, but she would even better with a few more pounds and if she went back to curls.
At first, we were intrigued by the show's premise but it was hard to find any of the characters actually likeable. As the brutality increased with no apparent point or moral center we got disgusted and just stopped watching.