A full Windows PC and only 2lbs and 0.5" thick... impressive, no matter how you slice it.
I'll be interested to see the reviews when this thing comes out.
So nobody else is interested?
I have the Surface RT, which I like a lot. Its fine for what I use it for which is mostly the web and viewing photos.
The pro costs more than I wanted to spend, but if you need all the functionality of a full powered laptop it's probably a good option as its so portable.
I have a brand new 11.6" Acer laptop with Windows 8 that does all that and has a better keyboard.
I don't see how this is different from the Surface that was intro'd in October (November? whenever).
[quote]I don't see how this is different from the Surface that was intro'd in October (November? whenever).
The Surface that came out last year runs Windows RT, a stripped-down mobile operating system. This new Surface will run Windows 8, the real thing.
It's like the difference between an iPad and a MacBook.
Wait, I thought that Surface ran Windows 8 - that that was a major part of releasing W8 when they did, to coincide with the release of the Surface. My bad.
Eh, I'm happy with my laptop.
[quote]I have a brand new 11.6" Acer laptop with Windows 8 that does all that and has a better keyboard.
The difference is that the Surface Pro is *cheap*.
Surface RT runs on ARM processors (like those in tablets), and cannot run Windows 7 desktop apps. But is otherwise almost exactly like Windows 8 (other differences include the lack of Windows Media Player, inability to join homegroups, or domains, and a few other minor things). Windows RT (the ARM version of Windows 8) also comes with Desktop Office 2013 "built in".
Surface Pro runs on an intel Core i5 processor just like any desktop app, and runs real Windows 8 Professional 64bit. As such, it's totally compatable with all Windows 7 apps, as well as the new Windows 8 apps. It also comes with a pressure-sensitive pen, for note-taking and detailed work. It does NOT come with Office 2013.
As for the keyboard, because it's a full Windows 8 PC, you can use a bluetooth wireless keyboard, or you can plug a USB keyboard in of your own choosing... or choose one of the keyboard covers (touch cover, which is flat... or the type-cover which is an excellent mobile keyboard). You can use any peripheral you use with any ordinary Windows PC... mice, keyboards, trackpads, printers, external drives, whatever.
Another difference: the Surface RT has a 1366x768 display, wile the Surface Pro has a full HD 1920x1080 resolution display. Both are 10.6" diagonal 16:9 screens.
The Surface Pro is a bit thicker, and more than a bit heavier, than the Surface RT. The Surface RT is very competitive in thickness and weight to the iPad 2/3. The Surface RT also has battery life in excess of 8 hours, while the Pro has battery life right around 5 hours.
Does that help, R6?
Um, my laptop was $299 (granted, on sale). Can you get a Surface Pro for that? It's got a 500gb hard drive, 6gb RAM, and a Core i3 processor.
And no, it wasn't refurbished or "gray market" or anything suspicious like that. Just on sale.
The Surface Pro is a "tablet" form factor of an "UltraBook"... it competes more with the MacBook Air and UltraBook Windows PC designs than tablets, but it's shrunk down into a tablet form factor.
That doesn't come cheap. At all.
It comes with either 64 or 128GB SSD, 4GB of RAM, 10-point multi-touch screen at full HD resolution, and pressure sensitive pen input. It has all the sensors of most tablets (two cameras, front and back, accelerometer, gyroscope, compass, ambient light sensor), as well as ports you expect from a laptop (USB 3.0, miniDisplayPort, microSD card slot, headphone jacks, etc).
All in a package that's 2lbs, and about 10.5" x 6.75" x 0.5"
So it's going to run close to a thousand bucks, not anywhere near three hundred... which puts it right into the same price-range as most other ultra-books, and the MacBook Air.
You pay for the cutting edge technology and form-factor.
Honestly, as much as I drool over this thing, I'm probably going to wait until the Surface Pro 2... perhaps by then they'll have GPS/LTE built in, and with the new Intel chips, will have better battery life and such.
I hope it's successful. Not that it'll give the iPad or Android tablets any competition... the Android tablets are successful precisely because they're ultra cheap, and the iPad can't compete on functionality or software or anything, really. It's a LITTLE cheaper, but a WHOLE LOT more limited. But Apple-fans will continue buying them anyway without ever considering a Surface.
Awesome 4 hr battery!
R14, it's 5hours.
Coming next Tuesday...
You like to say "form-factor," don't you?
I get a stiffy when you wonk out with that computer cant of yours.
I am so excited.
As soon as I read this, I put down my Zune and called my neighbor on my Blackberry. He's coming over later to watch my plasma TV so I can't post any more
Thanks for the tip.
They should tout its porn factor.
It's already appearing as a demo model in some Microsoft stores around the country...
Our resident Cher groupie is pulling for a Microsoft comeback;
"She's coming out of retirement with something new! I can't wait!"
The memory on the Surface Pro sucks because of the bloaty OS.
[quote]the base model, advertised as having 64GB of storage space, will have a mere 23GB available for use, as the Windows 8 OS dominates a heavy portion of the device’s internal memory. The 128GB Surface Pro will only ship with 83GB of available storage space, which is a marginal improvement from the 35% available on the base model, but still leaves something to be desired.
The space issue is over-blown. No system alive, whether mac, pc, tablet, phone, external USB drive, USB Flash drive, or MP3 player states "Free space", only "total space".
And Windows 8, with integrated skydrive, music match on Xbox Music, etc., simply doesn't need that much local storage.
Everyone "comes with" 10GB of free SkyDrive storage (7 for Windows 8... every user of Windows 8 gets 7GB of free storage... plus a bonus 3 for buying a Surface). People who buy Office 2013 get an extra 20GB of storage.
Plus it's expandable with cheap microSD cards. Slap in another 64GB easy peasy.
Additionally, if you have Windows 8 on a desktop at home, you can access any file on it (document, music, video, whatever) over the cloud, quickly and easily, nearly as if it were local.
Also note: 8GB of the "bloat" is the recovery partition. If you know what you're doing, you can easily blow away that partition and get back another 8GB of local storage... if you don't feel you need the recovery features that is.
Since it's a full Windows 8 installation, and there are tons of pages out on the web that show you how to delete/remove things you know you don't need or want from Windows, you can probably gain back a lot more than that.
It's a full, real computer. You can get in and do whatever you want to it. This "dismissiveness" over the out-of-the-box free-space is old-style thinking, imho.
I'd love to meet the first person that legitimately runs out of space on a Surface tablet, and for whom this is an actual issue. I'm betting such a person doesn't exist.
It's just another facile way of bashing Microsoft. nothing more.
They're available for preview at Microsoft stores and select Best Buy stores on the 6th. But they're not on sale until the 9th. You can pre-order and reserve one though, effective today.
Pays to download a movie, then has to pay a surcharge on bandwidth to watch it again, as he has to redownload it.
Go back to your ZUNE loser.
Yeah, but the new iPad 128g is available now for the gays!
[quote] They're available for preview at Microsoft stores
There are Microsoft stores?
[quote]Yeah, but the new iPad 128g is available now for the gays!
...and costs nearly as much as a Surface Pro, while lacking a USB port, the ability to run all Windows (or even OS X) applications, a pressure-sensitive digitizing pen, etc., etc.
It's hardly a value, and makes the Surface Pro seem inexpensive by comparison.
iPod = Cool
Zune = Gay
iPad = Winner
Surface = Loser
Windows = Virus
Apple = Safety
R29 = brainwashed fanboy
R29 = sadly stuck in the '90s
Surface Pro = Epic Fail
R32, in what possible way? Given it's not even released yet?
Sheesh. Just because you say something, that doesn't make it true.
I love my iPad but it goes away when surface pro releases. Finally a tablet I can load all my desktop software on instead of having to buy expensive half ass apps from an App Store. Oh and flash you know the thing apple thinks we don't need. The thing I seem to need everyday.
Price is high but what do you expect it offers everything a laptop does in tablet form.
If anyone here had any hopes of getting one, and didn't stand in line early this morning... they're all sold out everywhere, even online.
Even the most well-stocked Microsoft Stores sold out in hours.
R34, you forget that the iPad has 128 GBS.
Please come back! You know you hate Apple gear! You hate everything about that upstart outfit.
MICROSOFT is your one TRUE LOVE. And we love you. (smooch-smooch-smooch)
I will lose my fucking job if this deal craters. My BoD is already chomping on my ass! Mean it!
Come back to the Wonderful World of Windows. We've copied ALL THE STUFF YOU LIKE -- promise!
We won't virus it up or blue screen you!
Trust us LIKE YOU USED TO!!!
I'm actually writing this reply on a Surface Pro using The pen, just writing on the screen. Very cool... the handwriting recognition is fast & accurate. This thing is great for taking notes.
The 128GB model is out of stock again on the Microsoft online store website...
I think the Surface Pro 2 is going to be sweet.
The main problems with the Surface Pro are "too heavy", "too thick", "Battery only lasts 5 or so hours", and "it gets too warm". All of these can be fixed with the new Intel chips already announced. I have a feeling the Surface Pro 2 is going to be thinner, lighter, and with a longer lasting battery, all while running cool.
It's pretty awesome to have a full fledged, full featured Windows PC that is this tiny and portable. It'll be damn impressive when it's even thinner and lighter.