What's Germany like? I'm think my summer vacation there.
Diligent, humorless, beer-soaked and haunted.
'I think my vacation there.' Hmmmm. Maybe you should spend some time taking an English class in summer school.
Germany is lovely in the summer. Sunrise (in the North) sets at 10PM, rises again at 4AM. They do love their beer. "Haunted"? Oh please.
I can tell you as of 2012 Berlin is a remarkably cheap city filled with remarkably young people. Tons of art everywhere (some of it admittedly pretty bad). A bit too easy to get into a eternal party mode.
Tons of theatre, opera, museums, etc. if that's your sort of thing. Personally not into blondes that much, but that's just me.
Ask a member of the military that has lived there. Both good and bad, can be expensive
Germany is one of the nicest places to live in the world. Especially the west part.
When in the summer. As is the case with a lot of Europe, Germany goes on one mass vacation in August. On the other hand, it is loaded with tourists. It is not the best time to get an idea of the real Germany.
What do you want to do? What are your interests? Germany is a fairly large country. The artist colonies along the Baltic Sea are quite different from the fairytale towns of the Romantic Road, which is different from the urban life in Berlin. There is no one Germany.
What R6 said.
I loved it when I was there several years ago. I spent time in Hamburg, Hanover, Heidelberg, Rotenberg-ob-der-Tauber, and Munich. I regret that I skipped Berlin which was really coming back into its own at that time.
I'd go back in a heartbeat.
German men are some of the most beautiful in the world. Some of them left me speechless, they were so good-looking.
R16 Tell more. Are straight guys willing to experiment there? Are they known for being good in bed?
Clean, orderly, active. Spend vacay in Baden- Baden, that sexy spa town and then train it to Berlin for debauchery.
Germany is still very homophobic. Be particularly careful when traveling outside of the cities or in the South.
Equal marriage is not even being discussed and laws for basic tax equality are still being shot down by Germanys current leader, Frau: Angela Merkel, who then always mentions that she still allows a living homosexual to exist in her cabinet.
It is interesting how extreme Germany is beginning to look now that France, Spain and the UK have full equality and Germany doesn't even allow civil partnerships. It makes German look very bad. Reminds people of Germanys murderous anti-LGBT history.
Koeln is just about the gayest city on the planet.
It sounds like Gays are permitted to exist in Germany and in public, providing they accept their second class citizenship status.
Went to Berlin last year. I was not looking forward to it since I'm biracial. I was so pleasantly surprised by the city. Lotsa great restaurants, clubs, beer gardens of course, and really fun, open, and interesting people. It was also very cheap when compared with other major european cities. I loved it. You should definitely go!!
Civil partnerships are allowed since 2001. Tax and adoption is still handled differently with homosexual couples. Germany is pretty gay friendly. Has an openly gay foreign minister and an openly gay mayor of Berlin, which is the capital city. Gay couples being affectionate with each other in public is quite common, esp in the big cities.
The real question for Berlin, is will it ever become the European hot spot for the "jet set", it apparently was in the 1930s. Germany still appears to be a very isolated country from the outside. People from around the world don't seem to want to go an hang out in Germany or Berlin these days. Prague - yes. London - yes. Amsterdam - yes.
Germans feeling the emotional need to convince themselves, Germany is OK for gays, is one of the main reasons why Germany has fallen so far behind most other western countries.
You people need to stop defending Germany's abysmal record and get angry with the German government.
Yes, there is still lingering anti-gay sentiment left of from the Nazi era, yes the Vatican is controlling German Catholics like little hate-puppets. 70% of the German population is suppose to be for full gay equality, but they are doing nothing real about it and many are starting to wonder if this 70% figure is a blatant propaganda driven lie.
Conservatives are trying to destroy Germany and German prosperity along with their hatred of gays. In Germany, as everywhere else, Conservatives are a blight.
Merkle is a blight.
I went to Berlin last summer, and while I liked it, I didn't find it to be the huge gay haven that people always claim it is. In fact, the gay "scene" seemed pretty lame - all of the so-called popular bars were boring and had old ugly guys in it. Maybe I just went to the wrong places, but I was definitely disappointed. London's gay scene is WAY better.
London seems to attract all of Euorpe's younger gay men. Berlin holds its own though.
Maybe if Germany improved its abysmal LGBT equality record, more younger gays would visit.
Nobody wants to vacation as a second class personage, even though they are paying a first class fare.
The 'Germany is anti-gay' troll makes Janbot look Cartesian in her arguments.
And the flyover coach-class tourist posters probably couldn't even wait on line at Berghain, much less get in.
Germany is awesome, OP. Especially if you're a slut. Go!
Why don't the gays in Germany fight harder for gay marriage? And why is Germany (specifically Berlin and Cologne) considered to be some sort of fun place for gays when it doesn't seem any different from any other country?
Only for leather sluts over 50 who think great means no longer rounded up and murdered in concentrations camps R34. But for gay people under 50, Germany is creepy.
The bohemian 'live for today for who knows what tomorrow may bring' attitude which infects Berlin and hasn't changed since Isherwood is very very attractive -- especially if you've been raised with bourgeois attitudes. I knew someone who ran a backpacking hostel and was exposed to a far greater number of straight young men than I might otherwise be. The Berlin straight boys were very free and easy: open to experimentation and didn't really give a fuck about who they fucked or indeed a lot else. Germans do love their piss/shit sex: there's a level of fetishism there that only the Japanese, an equally fascist society, can match. Most are as plain as porridge, but the very handsome do indeed resemble. until they hit 35, God or Hitler's driven angels.
Ironic how the World War 2 Axis powers are the same countries who reject gays today.
I want to do a tour of the active concentration camps. Where can I find them?
Rumor has it Angela Merkel is retrofitting Dachau, about 16 Km north of Munich, R39.
The Catholic presence surprised me. Munich is nice, atmospheric, Bavarian. The countryside in the south east around Munich is very pretty.
People have to understand that Catholic is Italian.
Why are Germans obeying Italians? Doesn't that piss Germans off a little?
I might be going there again this year OP. This will be my 4th time there in 5 years, depending on business.
I would move there in a heartbeat but I like where I live. I like the orderliness of German society, the rules. I like Germans but I don't find them very attractive. They all seem to have a jutting chin or jutting jawline.
The trains run on time and are clean. It's safe at night for people. I love it.
I also love German food. I don't drink so don't know about German beer, which they love. I love walking everywhere and being able to get anywhere via public transportation.
There's no a/c so in August you're going to sweat profusely, IDK if it's poosible but see if you can get a hotel with a/c. I haven't found one yet but I'm sure there's got to be one there.
Also the Mayor of Frankfurt is Jewish and gay.
[quote]There's no a/c so in August you're going to sweat profusely
Yes! WTF is the deal with that? I was there last August and there was no air conditioning ANYWHERE, even when it was 90+ degrees! The only places that had it were a few department stores and even then it was on so low that you could barely feel it.
Why can't Europeans embrace air conditioning? It was made for a reason!
It is the fact that all these supposedly gay German politicians continue to be fine with their second class citizen status, which really freaks me out.
One of the roadblocks to Gay marriage in Germany is Germany's pro-family social engineering. The German government spend an enormous amount of money each year on trying to promote the traditional family: husband, stay-at-home wife,children, marriage. The program has been an abysmal failure, with many Germans having children without marriage, or not having children at all. (Germany has one of the lowest birth rates in the EU.) However, if Gays and Lesbians win the right to marriage, then they will have the right to that money. The additional cost would kill Germany. Of course the answer is to get rid of the programs that do not work anyway, but nooooooo...
[quote]People have to understand that Catholic is Italian.
You poor, poor thing. However do you get through life with six surviving brain cells?
Late for your 7 year old boy party R47?
Sorry to hijack. Thinking about visiting for the first time. Probably in early September. Is it worth it to visit Berlin and Munich? Would you suggest flying to save time?
R49, where would you be traveling from? What would the alternatives to flying be?
NYC, R50. I meant flying from one city to the other opposed to taking the train, which I think is about 6 hours...
Does Germany have separation of Religion and State laws?
R52 Did you fall asleep 500 years ago and just woke up?
[quote]Also the Mayor of Frankfurt is Jewish and gay.
He is Jewish, but not gay.
[quote]It is the fact that all these supposedly gay German politicians continue to be fine with their second class citizen status, which really freaks me out.
I find this disturbing as well.
Get rid of Angela Merkel and much of the anti-gay sentiment in Germany would disappear too.
The gay rights movement must be really lazy in Germany. You never hear about them fighting for gay marriage.
Japan does not reject gays.
Japan has this confusion between gay and transgendered. Most think the 2 are the same. Everything else is just sex, it has nothing to do with sexual orientation. Kind of a weird Japanese thing.
The tight relationship between Catholics and Nazis was centered in Bavaria (which is often compared to the US Deep South) since after WW1, the communists were trying to take over the area (and would have done away with the church) and Hitler's guys kept that from happening.
Pius XII was Cardinal of Munich at the time, and was Pope during WW2, so his actions are still being studied by concerned Catholics who note that Dachau was in his former archdiocese.
Ach! An Aryan paradise!
R61, not to divert the thread, but Pius XII aka Eugenio Pacelli, was never cardinal of Munich. He was papal nuncio, an ambassador. He did not run the Munich Archdiocese. He was never the Archbishop of Munich or any other diocese in Germany. He was made a cardinal at about the same time he was made Vatican Secretary of State in 1930. Dachau was set up in 1933, at which time Cardinal Pacelli was at the Vatican and had been for several years.
[quote]But for gay people under 50, Germany is creepy.
You're just making it painfully obvious you've never been to Germany R36. I suspect you don't even own a passport like most the US. Please don't embarrass yourself further.
[quote]It is interesting how extreme Germany is beginning to look now that France, Spain and the UK have full equality and Germany doesn't even allow civil partnerships.
Germany has civil partnerships since 2001.
[bold]R22 is too stupid to google?[/bold]
[quote]Koeln is just about the gayest city on the planet.
Yes, along with Berlin.
Germany really is pretty fabulous. But for the RULES! Excruciating order, red tape, obedience.
They are pretty blunt, and their language sounds mean, even when they are saying perfectly nice things.
But that bluntness -- geez...
R67 Well, I am German and i like to be blunt, especially to Americans:-)
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