Seems that most critics, actors, etc., all agree that the show is shit when it comes to its writing, but they still enjoy watching it. Is it crap in your opinion? For starters, it is a complete rip-off.
Sorry, OP, I adore it. Critics say it's soapy, no one calls it crap.
And let's face it, it's a world-wide phenomenon at the moment. Does that bother you? Is that why you started this thread?
And let's face it, the show it's supposedly ripping off had its own chance at an update, and failed.
It is a soap but I still love it. I love period dramas.
It IS terribly written, but I still enjoy it. It's a guilty pleasure. Yes, it's a soap opera, but that doesn't mean it can't be quality -- the problem here is the ham-handed plotting. I enjoy it for period eye candy and the acting.
Only on DL could we start tearing Downton Abbey apart. I sometimes wonder what of any value the tearers have contributed to the world. DA is perfection in every department, including the writing. Move on.
We get it, OP. You hate the show. You've been in all the DA threads bitching about it. Why don't you find another show to target your OCD hate?
It's great. I can get lost in its world for an hour and enjoy it immensely. It is well acted, even if some of the story lines get a bit boring. I also loved its true predecessor Gosford Park. Just watched it again last week.
[quote]Only on DL could we start tearing Downton Abbey apart.
[quote]We get it, OP. You hate the show. You've been in all the DA threads bitching about it.
Explain, in detail, why it is terribly written, OP, and give examples. Then post your own manuscript rejection letters online so that we can paste them to a wall.
r9, it's not my opinion, but the general consensus. As for your last bit, grow the fuck up.
Actor David Mitchell made me laugh saying how horrible the show actually is, but he'd still love to be on it.
I don't care. I still want Tom in me quite s deeply.
This thread isn't going exactly the way you wanted it to, is it, OP?
You think you hate it now, wait til my 3-episode guest appearance as Cora's musically gifted niece in Season 4!
What does that mean R5. We post about things we hate all the time. Why would a tv show be off limits. I tried watching it but I don't care for it. I don't care if you and others love it, so why care if some don't? It's just not something I can't get into.
I think the first season and this third season, at least so far, are very well written. The second season wasn't so interesting until the Christmas special, which was so great it almost made up for the whole lack-luster season.
Then why Di you troll threads about it, r14?
[quote]DA is perfection in every department, including the writing.
I think we're hypercritical of the show because we love it and just want it to be better and it began with such promise.
It's distressing to see how it's deteriorated so quickly.
It IS terribly written but it's not about the writing. It's about the sets, the costumes, the estate, and the times. The writing is no better or worse than any day time soap. The production values are fabulous.
I think the first season was very well written. The second season, however, took a huge nosedive; it was totally soapy and awful. Season 3 is better, so far.
DA is not that bad. If you want to see B-A-D from the same writer, watch the Titanic mini-series that came out last year. Awful.
R16, I have never trolled threads about DA. The show is not my cup of tea. That shouldn't piss you off. It's just a tv show. Some like it and some don't. No big deal.
I love it!
It's so much fucking better than most of the US soap operas.
So tired of the UK drawing room dramas. Like watching paint dry.
It's pure camp. There's nothing realistic about it.
Elizabeth McGovern doesn't get many lines anymore, does she? I'm always surprised when Edith call her Mama because I forget she is supposed to be her daughter. Cora ignores poor Edith terribly. Not one of the pretty ones.
I think the show has a killer opening. It's one of the best opening credit songs in years -- probably since The Sopranos. The piano is urgent and tremulous, strong but hesitant. It's genius music. Genius show opening visuals as well. It's not only what draws you into the show, it also draws you into the show's spoofs as well.
If you continue beyond the opening credits, you have to look at it as camp. It's filled with anachchronistic attitudes and behavior (loved Uptown Downstairs Abbey's version of Sybil --"Really cool to meet you," was perfect for her character's anachronistic chatter).
I don't see any reason why people can't watch it and make fun of it as well. You don't have to worship a television show. Where would we be without tv shows that give us drinking games? We'd be sober and that would be no good at all.
[quote]Actor David Mitchell made me laugh saying how horrible the show actually is, but he'd still love to be on it.
I had to Google this. I thought he had something to do with the show. He doesn't. He's just a two bit actor/writer with a resume full of crap, as he is. Doesn't take much to make you laugh R10, or were you high?
R32 is off her meds again.
It's terrific. What does the OP feel is so much better on television?
How is it that the state of audiences is at the ebb where posters and say they "love period dramas" and excuse this contrived, confused, chaotic, poorly developed and intolerably unrealistic privy of crap because - why? their nethers get tingly and they fantasize swirling in the costumes (that are not cut to swirl)?
Every episode the leaden and unintelligent characters (Smith alone achieving redemption over the idiocy because Fellowes' loves her and writes carefully for her) traipse through ridiculous plot twists and get precisely nowhere. Cardboard dress dolls. No smart dialogue, no revelatory moments of change, no practical reflections on how the noble and servant relationships actually played out - yes, well into the 1930s. The mouthy liberties, incompetence and petty cruelties are outrageous.
"Well, I love it and that's that." Yes, dears, you love it. But that fact indicates how low your brows go. One assumes you need toothpicks propped strategically on your faces just to keep your eyes focused on the screen.
And just wait until Missy dies in childbirth and her IRA widower nabs the baby and open a pub nearby TO SPITE the family, as Cora blames her husband for the death, and the motor car finishes off the prig, and Thomas feels up the new boy but they become friends when Thomas saves him in a fight. Jesus Christ.
The problem with the show is that there is no consistency with the characters (Bates goes from being a socialist to a raging capitalist without any thought) and they're too one dimensional. And the plots are far too contrived to be even remotely believable.
R35 you over-analyze things. Some people like the show and that's okay. If you don't, then that's okay too. No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing it on you.
I generally avoid threads with subject matters I don't care for such as Broadway theater.
R37 is just the type of "everything's equal" twat that neither respects or expects artistic integrity nor comprehends the utility of social criticism.
Quit bleating at me and go eat some grass, R37.
For anyone else, "Dallas," "Everybody Loves Raymond," and even "NCIS" have more integrity than "Downton Abbey." If you enjoy it, fine. But at least try to see what that tells you about yourself so you can withhold nattering about how it makes you feel pretty and how you avoid discussing things that either appall or challenge you.
I like it. But liking it has come to meant settling for archly delivered lines and high-camp Drama Moments -- in the absence of a more realistic development of character and plot. The show does contain holes in which life with the Crawley family departs from anything remotely resembling actual British gentry life in 1920. The holes are big enough to drive a period piece motorcar through them -- and they are growing even larger in Season 3.
So I accept that and I keep watching, because the archly delivered lines and the high-camp Drama Moments are quite good. But the show could have been much less ridiculous, and much more solid, than it is.
R35, it clearly pisses you off that millions of people don't agree with you.
Did you get turned down by Julian Fellowes for a part in something?
You've expressed your opinion, dear, and that' fine. You must admit, it's a minority opinion.
The American soaps that eldergay DL-ers worship - Dynasty, Knot's Landing, Falcon Crest - were all critically reviled in the day. It didn't matter, they ran for over a decade.
I noticed they misspelled honor as honour and organization as organisation in the scripts. They also mispronounce herb all the time. Don't anyone catch those mistakes?
The script is so bad I can barely bring myself to match it week after week.
Give me Judge Judy and Cops anyday.
R35/38 you have way too much invested in disliking DA.
Not at all, pretentious and presumptuous R43. It's just sad it's a lost opportunity for real quality, given the budgets and talent they have at their disposal.
But I do enjoy nitwits such as you snarking their opinions. Which are, of course, off-track and miss the entire point.
Give me a good episode of House Hunters any day. Now that's writing - awesome scripts week after week.
R35/38/44 you are the one throwing unnecessary insults around and acting childish. As I said no one is forcing you to watch it.
[quote]It's just sad it's a lost opportunity for real quality, given the budgets and talent they have at their disposal.
Sweetie, once again, it's not Masterpiece Theater, it's Masterpiece Classic. It is not a documentary. It is and has always been a big old fashioned soap opera. It's Knot's Landing in a mansion. It IS quality and it is fabulous. Unclench, relax and enjoy or move on. Simple as that.
But it could be so much better.
That's what frustrating.
I wonder how many writers are on staff. Or does Julian write all of it? If so, he's quite overwhelmed.
R37 apparently did not read the title of the thread.
Gosh, Jean Marsh is really working overtime on this thread.
What a silly thing to say, R50.
[quote] I had to Google this. I thought he had something to do with the show. He doesn't. He's just a two bit actor/writer with a resume full of crap, as he is
David Mitchell is a comedy writer and a comic actor. They're also called "comedians." Some of us laugh at those people. Other people need to relax their sphicters. DA is only a tv show.
If the quality of the writing is any indicator I predict the series will be a flop!
[quote]How is it that the state of audiences is at the ebb where posters and say they "love period dramas" and excuse this contrived, confused, chaotic, poorly developed and intolerably unrealistic privy of crap because - why?
I think your statement is more contrived, confused, and chaotic than your subject matter.