My BF and I were out for dinner last night. We were waiting for our table when a group of four (three men and one woman) came in after us. Right away I could tell there was something strange about them. They looked normal enough and were clean and dressed nicely. They weren't behaving badly but there were subtle clues that something was off. The woman wasn't smiling or looking particularly happy. She just had this strangely vacant look on her face. She wasn't out of it. She was very much present and in the moment. But there was a sadness about her.
The men were more relaxed and were smiling and talking with each other. But again, there was something slightly weird about them.
They ended up sitting at the table next to us. It felt weird just to have them that close. I don't see auras or anything hippy dippy like that but I do feel energies. And I definitely felt a strange energy around them. A darkness. An unhappiness. Definitely something bad and weird.
I couldn't wait to finish dinner and get away from them.
My BF said it was probably just that they were on drugs and that they all had "that look" whatever that means.
People on benzos have a certain look that can be very easy to spot, but, generally speaking, I don't think it makes them radiate a negative energy. From your description it doesn't sound like these people were on uppers, either. I think you may have been projecting.
It depends on the drug.
[quote]I think you may have been projecting.
I think so too, R1.
Projecting your own negative energy, OP.
I went to grad school (social work) with a cohort of 17 ... 15 of whom were on SSRIs. All had a flat affect. Professors would lecture about terrible social injustices and most of the class would just stare blankly. In retrospect, the whole experience was oddly like being in an asylum.
There's no such thing as "negative energy," that's New Age religious bullshit. If they're high, their brain is working in a different manner than the sober majority, so they stick out. Kind of like if one individual is high on the drug alcohol in the midst of a sober group, you can probably tell something is off, but if he is with a bunch of other people high on alcohol, he seems normal, it's like this with other drugs as well.
I disagree with your "no such thing as "negative energy,"" assertion, but whatever.
This was in a pub/restaurant where almost everyone was drinking. I had two beers (enough to make me tipsy) and I still felt there was something bad about that foursome.
Even the waitstaff was giving them strange looks.
R6, sounds like my cohorts in law school.
R9, I teach now and I can spot the students on SSRIs.
I think you should worry about your own life, OP.
[quote]I think you should worry about your own life, OP.
But it's so much easier to worry about everyone else's!
[quote]I think you should worry about your own life, OP.
Really? Why? What's wrong with my life? I just happen to be an observant and curious sort of fellow. That's a bad thing, is it?
They might be worse if they weren't, R10.
OP I "feel" you. Children and horses sense things about people - perhaps using body language and other not so conscious clues. Some sensitive adults (humans) don't grow out of this I think. You may be one of them.
Or maybe he's a horse.
They were probably tripping face.
People who are active in their addiction can emit a very sad, desperate, angry energy. Combine that with a mood disorder and they can often be toxic to be around.
Maybe OP is hung like a horse
Humans absolutely have a radar about other people.
My favorite example is the huge lobby of Grand Central Station. Every day, thousands of people walk through it in directions of mass chaos, with people very rarely bumping into each other.
The only explanation for this is that people have a natural sense of the energies of other people.
And, R20, the phenomenon of knowing when you are being stared at (even from behind).
OMG, people who don't "believe" in negative energy (or positive energy) are strange birds.
People don't know what they don't know. There is more to life than meets the eye. And we all get to believe what we want so this is not up for debate.
Anyone who is paying attention will sometimes get "feelings" about people, intuitive senses about people/experiences/places. "Gut" feelings. Have you never met someone and thought "He creeps me out" but you didn't exactly know why or "I don't know, there is just something about him that is not right?" Or taken an instant like OR dislike to someone? Ever walk in somewhere and think "I feel like I have been here before?" How about "She never said one word directly TO me but I felt uncomfortable being around her?"
My intuition is never wrong. Ever. Once I learned to trust it.
Cops can read that energy -- often not well, but they still make use of it. They call them "hunches."
Doctors use it too -- mine can just look at me and know where I am having problems.
[quote]The only explanation for this is that people have a natural sense of the energies of other people.
Or herd dynamics are reinforced daily. People from small towns will bump into people, people who live in big cities used to moving around from place to place in big crowds like cattle don't bump into people.
It has nothing to do with "energy." Drop the religious bullshit.
[quote] Drop the religious bullshit.
Stop telling people what to do and believe. Bully.
[quote]Anyone who is paying attention will sometimes get "feelings" about people, intuitive senses about people/experiences/places. "Gut" feelings. Have you never met someone and thought "He creeps me out" but you didn't exactly know why or "I don't know, there is just something about him that is not right?"
I'm not seeing anything related to "energy" in this. Based on past experiences with people, you learn to judge people from their behavior and appearance. It's learning about people, not "sensing energy." This is also why it's so easy to misjudge people in different cultures who have different mannerisms and take offense to things that were not meant to be offensive.
Wake up, stop drinking the Kool-Aid.
R25 must also believe that legalizing gay marriage is a form of religious persecution and that calling out anti-gay crusaders as bigots is a form of bullying.
[quote] R25 must also believe that legalizing gay marriage is a form of religious persecution and that calling out anti-gay crusaders as bigots is a form of bullying.
Not at all. In fact, I'm Canadian where we've had gay marriage for years. My Bf and I aren't married, but we've talked about it.
But what does that have to do with what we're talking about?
I take exception to people belittling others for what they believe and telling them to believe something else. As though we all have to think exactly the same way and toe the party line.
Believe what you want! Think what you want!
It's possible to have an actual discussion about things and to express your views without being a cunt about it. Yes, even on Datalounge. Strange but true.
Maybe the group dynamic was negative as a whole. Maybe the people were at this place out of a sense of obligation and were resentful, thus trying to hide their anger with their flat affect?
Wow, R24, I didn't realize that there was something religious about the word "energy." Brilliant.
Is everyone on this thread too dense to realize that they're all talking about the same phenomenon using different words and concepts?
Well, first I also agree. There is definitely a such thing as negative energy. But OP, for some reason, albeit subconscious, I think you felt threatened by these people. Or maybe you were picking up that the woman felt threatened.
In any event,while there was something about them that put you off, it may not have anything to do with drugs, but maybe the woman had just had a row with one of the men. Or maybe she didn't want to be there.
Clearly she is the one who affected you most. You sensed a vulnerability in her and perhaps a sense of danger. All I can say is, watch the news reports of grisley murders over the next month.
I agree with R30.
Old people have been dropping like flies over the last three months. Perhaps they'd gathered after a visitation and you picked up on their grieving.
There was a time when you were allowed to mourn for a year. Now, you're supposed to obtain closure within an hour with time for commercial breaks.
r26 is the kind of person who would have dated Lee Harvey Oswald in high school.
[quote]Based on past experiences with people, you learn to judge people from their behavior and appearance.
But as I pointed out their outward appearance and behaviour was perfectly fine. But there was something else going on with them that I couldn't quite put my finger on. Subtle clues (energy, body language, whatever) that something darker was was happening.
[quote]Wow, R24, I didn't realize that there was something religious about the word "energy." Brilliant.
OP and his defenders here have a strong belief in something that has no basis in reality, and become furious when someone has the nerve to disagree with them. One definition of religious is "scrupulously and conscientiously faithful." OP's beliefs require faith, because evidence does not support them, and he gets angry at people for having different opinions. Sounds pretty religious to me.
OP=Judgmental new age dyke.
She probably feels negative energy wherever she goes. Hallmark of a pretentious, judgmental, easily offended dyke.
[quote]Perhaps they'd gathered after a visitation and you picked up on their grieving.
This was my first thought, too. I can remember times when friends and family gathered together when there was a death and we probably went around looking like a bunch of sadsack zombies, too. Sometimes in order to not cry, you get kind of stoic and flat.
r21, that phenomenon was scientifically debunked.
All of you people should read "The Invisible Gorilla".
It goes through 6(I think) fallacies of belief/perception of mind.
"Based on past experiences with people, you learn to judge people from their behavior and appearance. It's learning about people, not "sensing energy.""
IMHO that is how the human brain picks up "energy". Yes, you can pick up bad vibes from people without knowing them, or knowing how or why you percieve the bad vibes. Call it "experience", call it "energy", the human brain has perceptions that the conscious mind does not understand.
I can't say I'm particularly good at paying attention to my unconscious perceptions, but there have been a few. Like the time I had a strong feeling that I was about die, and called an ambulance even though my symptoms didn't seem that severe. As it happened, I was actually about to die, even though my symptoms didn't seem severe, and I'm alive because I paid attention to feelings I didn't fully understand.
There is much more information around us than we're able to process, and not all information that is processed is processed consciously.
Body language and facial expressions are fluid and we simply can't stop frame everything, so we sum up the overall impression of the information we're getting as "energy," or "a hunch," or a "feeling." Whatever.
Without drugs? I would kill you.
Like living? Shut your fucking mouth and pretend you were in the driver seat all along.
There is nothing religious about anyone's concept of "energy", much less anything else, unless a person makes it so. Those of you who say otherwise are saying the exact same thing that "fundies" assume about energy (which they also hate). R30 said it well.
Everything, as far as we know=matter vibrating. Even thoughts. "Auras" aren't religious, either. Everything can easily be science. While plenty of people write bogus things about unseen information, that doesn't mean it's not there. Whatever OP interprets is what he interprets. Just let him be interested in it.