Was William Shatner always such an egomaniacal buffoon?
I understand he became truly insufferable once Star Trek re-runs went into syndication and he became perceived internationally as a larger-than-life figure--he completely bought into his own hype then.
But what was he like before then? I know he was a big player during his years shooting Star Trek and was fucking every single beautiful female guest star. Was he more normal despite being an enormous pussyhound? And what was he like before Star Trek?
William Fucking Shatner
His reputation goes back a long ways, my guess is he was an egomaniacal asshole before success.
He always had an ego.
The weirdest thing about him is that he's a classically trained Shakespearean actor and Sir Tyrone Guthrie thought he was brilliantly talented/
Yes, he was considered a very talented and promising young actor back in the late 1950s when he was transitioning from Broadway to Hollywood.
Check him out in the big screen epic version of The Brothers Karamazov with Lee J. Cobb and Maria Schell as the youngest, most serious Karamazov brother.
Maria Schell played the youngest, most serious Karamazov brother? That must be some movie!
Yes he's always been an egomaniacal buffoon and an exceptionally hammy actor. I started disliking him when George Takei didn't invited him to his wedding, saying Shatner had been a selfish prima donna on the show. Shatner tried to make it look like Takei was just being overly sensitive about his sexuality "so what if you're gay, no one cares." Takei had never accused Shatner of being homophobic, he didn't even hint at it, so Shatner was being a douchebag by dragging that into it.
Then Shatner briefly had a talk-show and one of his guest was Rush Limbaugh, who he gushed over and repeatedly called a "gem", "you're such a gem." I had thought he was probably a liberal, now I doubt it.
He seems to have mellowed out and in on the joke now. Loved his characters in Miss Congeniality and Boston Legal.
I love the Shat. He was my first celeb crush when I was a gayling watching him in those skintight black pants on Star Trek, with that perfect bulge prominently displayed and that gorgeous ass. He's supposedly an ass in person, but I think he's hilarious and I've thought he was awesome for the last forty-plus years, from Star Trek the series to the Star Trek feature films to Boston Legal.
But isn't/wasn't shatner bisexual?
So what if he has a healthy ego? He's a fine actor, so I would assume his self-esteem is quite high.
Most importantly, he is an honorable man. He risked ruining a perfectly good wig when he dove in to drag his dead wife up from the bottom of the pool.
Granted, he needed to be instructed to do so from the 911 dispatcher, but he bravely went in just the same.
R11 I don't know if he was gay or bi, but I sure would have loved sampling his "goody basket" back in the day. I can just imagine laying him on his back, removing his clothes, oiling up his body and massaging him with a soft, purring tribble. Then, well, I'll leave the rest to my imaginiation....
Ever since childhood, I have love the Star Trek episode "Charlie X", for one reason. Shatner in those skin-tight red spandex exercise pants in the ship's gym when he's wrestling with Charlie and the security crewman. There was nothing left to the imagination there. Very fucking hot.
The Tholian Web
His wife drowned under very mysterious circumstances. There was fight about divorce the night before.
It's been many years, but when I was a Trekkie, I read all of the bios from the original cast and I seem to recall they all in one way or another said he was a major pain in the ass and an egomaniac. I seem to recall Nichelle Nichols really eviscerated him, but still loved him or some bull.
Not fair R15. Nerrine Shatner was an alcoholic. Leonard Nimoy(a recovering alcoholic) brought her to AA meetings in an attempt to help her. The accident was fueled by alcohol. Shatner was out of town.
I always loved Shatner in the classic "Twilight Zone" episode "Nightmare at 20,000 Ft.". That episode reigns as one of the greatest TV episodes ever, in my book. Great suspense, and Shatner was dead on perfect in it.
Way back before the interwebs, there used to be photocopied fan fiction going around that shipped Spock and Kirk as a couple.
I thought he actually looked very handsome in the first Star Trek movie despite the mediocre hair piece.
"Check him out in the big screen epic version of The Brothers Karamazov "
Oh, he was terrible! He was playing a character who was supposed to be too sweet and saintly to be real, and he was so hammy and smug that he single-handedly ruined the movie. Which was kind of a pity, as Yul Brynner was rather good as the eldest, hottest brother.
I had to read "The Brothers Karamazov" in college. Pity me.
Who cares, they guy looks great, I hope I look that good at his age!
He really was a hot piece back in his Star Trek days.
I went to one of the first Star Trek conventions when I was a kid. He was there in a large room with a couple thousand people to hear him speak and ask questions.
OMG it was insane. The room was full of women giggling at every joke ready to pull their panties off and throw them on sage. So much for getting to meat my idol, bitches. Frous were not into Star Trek at all, kept asking why people were dressed up like aliens.
That is not drama R24, he is Tweaking!
Check out "Incubus," a horror film Shatner made in 1966. The actors are speaking in Esperanto. (English subtitles.)
Esperanto? how old are you R27? That concept died in the 70s. The world went with Ebonics.
How very herbal of them, r25...
My own experience of the Shat - very eccentric, but very nice man who is very much into his own thing (and controls his own environment) - but that is now he is 80...
As a young man, he must have been INSUFFERABLE...
And I also had to deal with Spike "MOTHERFUCKER" Milligan...
"Esperanto? how old are you [R27]?"
What does it matter "how old" r27 is? - the damn film was, is and forever will be "made in Esperanto"
It's not like r27 translated it...
He worked it R29. His striking good looks and his sort of bad boy attitude made him very interesting to want to be around. I am sure he got a lot of green pussy. Too bad he was not gay. I would so have tapped that ass.
At the Star Trek and autograph conventions, he charges $80 for a signature and another $80 if you want to take a picture with him.
>> with that perfect bulge prominently displayed and that gorgeous ass.
Amen to that. FINE piece of ass, back in his early days. And, I confess, even hotter - in a sort of gritty, filthpig sort of way - in the 70s. Down to the polyester and toupee'.
R17 is correct. LOL, R25.
R17 ABSOLUTELY TRUE. THANK YOU.
About fifteen years ago, I met a guy whose father was part of the camera crew on Star Trek. He told me a story about Shatner being a real jerk to a young actress; he kept insisting a scene be shot repeatedly so she would have to kiss him over and over.
By the time they took a break, the young woman was in tears. The crew felt sorry for her and knew Shatner was just being major asshole.
Before shooting resumed, the crew guys got some fish hooks and taped them to a microphone boom. When Shatner insisted doing the kissing scene again, they lowered the boom behind him and lifted his wig off.
He was mortified and furious, but he got the message and stopped harassing the actress.
Not sure what Tyrone Guthrie saw in him, but he was never a good actor. He's dreadful in THE BROTHERS KARAMAZOV. I also saw him in a low-budget Roger Corman film from the early 60's called THE STRANGER, where he plays a racist who comes to town to stir up trouble when the local schools become integrated.
It was a nervy film to make at the time, but Shatner managed to ham it up there too.
He's clearly one of those people who feels that he had all this promise and had to lower himself to television to make a living.
I will love Shatner and Nimoy until the day I die (and beyond). They were my first heroes in childhood on Star Trek. I thought they were both sexy as hell (I loved Deforest Kelley on the show too, but never thought he was sexy). I respect both men and the careers they have made for themselves outside of the Star Trek universe. Shatner does have an inflated ego and can be a bit of an ass, but I would still bone that 81 year old fucker. And yes, I agree with the person who pointed out Shatner's awesome bulge and ass on Star Trek. Damn. He looked FINE in those tight pants. Another thought: My opinion is that Shatner and George Takei are really not as estranged as they pretend to be. I have always thought their feud reeked of a publicity stunt. It is funny to hear them go back and forth though.
Spock's Beard in "Mirror, Mirror"
He's from Montreal. They are all like that.
R37 - I always thought the spat between Shat and Takei was a case of unrequited sexual attraction between the two. 40+ years of mutual attraction and frustration. If Takei finally got the chance to slam that hot Japanese pipe up that Shat ass, I think they would end up as BFF's and all would peaceful aboard the Starship Enterprise from then on.
Walter Koenig and Nichelle Nichols
I loved Shatner in "Airplane 2: The Sequel". I thought he was hysterical. Of course, "Airplane 2" was no "Airplane!", but I thought Shatner made the movie.
R13, of course YOU wouldn't know. The bi info was in a book and Howard Stern asked Shatner on his old TV show.
Young William Shatner and my father look like brothers. It's bizarre.
Shatner is actually very funny. He's a great comedic actor.
He doesn't take himself so seriously in interviews and not above taking shots at himself. Very refreshing.
I have never understood the people who call Shatner a bad actor. True, he has a tendency to be "hammy", but I think he was the PERFECT Captain Kirk. Compare Jeffrey Hunter as the Enterprise Captain (Pike) in "The Cage"/"The Menagerie" episodes. Hunter was a good actor, but Shatner swept the floor with him. Shatner exuded so much personality and sexuality as the Captain of the Enterprise. He was always believable as the man who could make green Orion Slave Girls fall madly in bed with him and who could save the entire Starfleet with his intellect. I thought Shatner was extraordinary in Star Trek II and III, when dealing with the death and resurrection of Spock. I think he was also the perfect choice to play Denny Crane in Boston Legal. No one else on Earth could have played that part as effectively. Shatner is a Canadian-American treasure.
OP, in order:
1. Yes, he was.
2. He was a "serious" actor who embarrassed himself with a lack of talent for serious work but because of chutzpah and looks and ambition he kept getting work. Remember that he was first considered a Shakespearean actor, with training to prove it, and his staginess and lack of real connection with others on stage was seen as "classical." He arrived in BROTHERS KARAMAZOV, for heaven's sake. But he'd do anything - his rendition of a sad and Chinese sailor-killer in NAKED CITY is a must-see for anyone collecting memories of the absurdity of this jambon's career.
3. He was a pussyhound because straight men who were snub-nosed Canadian Jews with a boundless ego and "lust" for life usually behaved that way at the time. As did big-nosed Italians and Catholic Welsh with crooked noses. Shatner was popular because he never stepped on the wrong toes, kissed up to power, and - again - did EVERYTHING asked of him. He had no expectations of ever making it big, and by the time STAR TREK hit he was five years into relative penury.
4. See responses.
I've heard that William Shatner has had experience with the casting couch in his very early years to get ahead -male and female.
There's no way Shatner is gay or bi. He's straight
He was called bi in this long list of stars' sexualities, it was originally published on gawker. Sandra Bullock and Farrah Fawcett made numerous gay mentions about him at his Roast as well.
I never thought I'd say this, but... R29, please tell me more about Spike Milligan?
Anyway, I agree that he was a better Captain than Jeffrey Hunter; he was a ham, but he was a ham who was having fun. His Captain Joie De Vive turned out to play beautifully against the repressed Mr. Spock and the cynical McCoy.
He also made Kirk's horndoggery plausible, he was a man who relieved the loneliness of command by jumping at any available woman, and never an unavailable one. Kirk may have been lonely and horny, but he did keep his hands off his crew.
But Spock is my True Love
R50 - I always had a major hard-on for Spock too. I always thought Nimoy was a sexy geek. I thought he was even sexier as Paris on Mission: Impossible right after Star Trek went off the air.
Pon Farr with Spocky
No love for Dr. McCoy? I actually thought his character was the best acted during the series.
By the late 80's he was a little long in the tooth for the movies.
I never heard any friction between Shatner/Kelly.
[quote]He was a pussyhound because straight men who were snub-nosed Canadian Jews with a boundless ego and "lust" for life usually behaved that way at the time. As did big-nosed Italians and Catholic Welsh with crooked noses.
Shatner has a very big weiner.
R52 I loved Deforest Kelley. You are right, he was the best actor of the bunch. From everything I have read, he was a pretty cool guy too. Very modest and very kind. Star Trek V: The Final Frontier was one of the weaker Trek movies, but Deforest turned in a powerhouse performance in the scene where he was reliving his father's death. Amazing work. It's a shame the rest of the movie couldn't have been as good as that scene. He was a class act and a half.
I don't know R17. I thought she wouldn't give him a divorce. So yea, they were fighting. He may have tried to help her but I think he also tired of her in the end. I also don't think he was out of town. Wasn't he at some dinner party? I mean she's fine then the few hours he's gone she ends up dead. No staff were on that night either. Maybe I'm wrong but that's what I recall.
R41 Richard Simmons was always such a big crybaby. I never could stomach him. He always seemed so fucking fake. Crying for the fat ladies with no tears in his eyes.
The Ghost of Charles Nelson Reilly
R56 I think the word "divorce" is regular dinner conversation in hollywood marriages..so it is a total possibility that it was talked about the day before.
Shatner/Nimoy did try and help her. The actual chain of events --we will never know.
Shatner is hilarious in the new Priceline commercial - the one where he is picking his daughter up...
He's given careers to Takei, Koenig, Nichols, Doohan (RIP). Kelly and Nimoy had careers before and to some extent after.
Plus countless other behind the scenes folks, comedians (yes you Kevin Pollack).
He's the best.
It's only been since Shatner was diagnosed with Alzheimer's. He only talks about himself because that's all he can remember. He's 82.
R60, Shat does not have Alzheimer's. His character, Denny Crane on Boston Legal, had Alzheimer's. I think Shatner just has a raging case of space-herpes that may have gone untreated and went to the brain. I love Shatner. He will be missed when he finally beams up to that big starship in the sky.
I always loved his version of Elton's "Rocket Man". He recently did an 'interesting' cover of Black Sabbath's "Iron Man", as well. Great for a laugh.
Leonard Nimoy & Bilbo Baggins
[quote]He's given careers to Takei, Koenig, Nichols, Doohan (RIP). Kelly and Nimoy had careers before and to some extent after.
You're right, but I might quibble about Nimoy. I've caught him guest starring on a few old pre-Star Trek TV shows, and I think he had real talent. At the very least you're drawn to him whenever he's on screen.
He was guested an episode of Gunsmoke playing an Indian and just stole it.
Nimoy had a solid career after Star Trek ended in 1969. He went straight from Star Trek to Mission: Impossible (which was filmed in the same studio) for two years, as the character Paris. He hosted the excellent TV series "In Search of..." in the '70s/early '80s and was great in the 1978 remake of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers". He then revisited the Spock character in the feature films and eventually became a respected director (Star Trek III, Star Trek IV, Three Men and a Baby, among others). Very good actor with great screen charisma. I have loved Nimoy since I was a child. Those pointed ears really drew me in.
Major Nimoy Fan since age 4
R64 Nimoy's agent? And why is Leonard being mentioned on MY thread? He can get his own thread.
William "I AM CAPTAIN KIRK!" Shatner
R65: Fuck you, Bill. Right up your fat, shaved ass!
That little Wheaton bastard hasn't commented on here yet, has he? Oh, shit. He feels so persecuted by me. I just realized he was the first to comment.
Bill aka The Shat
[quote]thought she wouldn't give him a divorce. So yea, they were fighting.
California is a no fault state so it wasn't her choice not to give him one. Maybe there were financial issues...
Yes. Nimoy and Kelley had and continued to have careers pre and post Star Trek.
Shatner has continued to re invent himself and have steady work and projects for over 50 years! TV, Movies, Social Media...everything. He even has his own app.
The cast of Star Trek HATED him. He was constantly blowing takes by making bad jokes and puns, and they'd end up shooting late into the night. He virtually lived on the set, at one point, while he and his then wife were getting divorced. He drove everyone crazy.
R70, Now, Nichelle. HATE is a strong word.
They may have hated him...but not those paychecks they cashed and continue to cash!
Gene Roddenberry reportedly hated Shatner with a passion, as well.
Everybody hates The Shat...yet..he's GOLD when it comes to making money...FACT. Not only for him...but for his typecast co-stars.
Nimoy does not hate Shatner by the way...they are good friends if not best friends.
he went to the elementary school down the street from me. fascinating, i know.
[quote]He's given careers to Takei, Koenig, Nichols, Doohan (RIP).
That's not true at all. Gene Roddenberry gave them careers, not Shatner.
The show would still have been a cultural landmark had someone else (like Jeffrey Hunter) had been the lead. To say it depended entirely on Shatner is something only the Shat himself would claim.
he liked me to strap a dildo on and fuck him
R76 I disagree about Jeffrey Hunter. The reason Shatner was so successful and necessary is because of his charisma and residual value.
I mean Jeffrey Hunter died in 1969 (RIP)...so that would have been a problem. Also - with Shatner there is so much other material like his delivery and mannerisms that comedians have lived off of for some time. I don't see that with Hunter.
Although, Hunter could have taken the series in a totally different/successful direction. It's only guessing at this point.
Shatner's popularity has make money for his co-stars..thier is no denying it.
[quote]Shatner's popularity has make money for his co-stars..thier is no denying it.
But I did deny it. And I still do.
Right. THERE IS NO DENYING IT...my mistake!
So tell me what plum roles Walter Keonig had dropped in his lap...none I can recall...or Doohan..?
What's the big deal? If I was his co-star, I'd be riding the Shat all they way to the bank myself.
R80 Correct. Of the supporting players, Nichelle Nichols was a very good actress, James Doohan could act under the right conditions, Walter Koenig seemed like a nice man but was not a gifted actor. I love George Takei, but the man is one of the worst actors in Hollywood history. Majel Barrett was quite wooden, but still likeable and Grace Lee Whitney deserved a better career than she ended up with, she could really act.
The main players: Shatner, Nimoy and Kelley were perfect for their parts and entirely irreplaceable (sorry, JJ Abrams, but it is true).
The Gamesters of Triskelion
I always hated how the supporting players bitched and moaned about how they were kept in the shadows on Trek. What part of "SUPPORTING PLAYERS" did they not understand when they signed on? Shatner, Leonard and DeForrest were the leads.
Yeah, mother-fuckers, I would have loved seeing James fucking Doohan or Walter fucking fight the fucking Gorn! That would've been over rather quickly. They couldn't have won a fight with a fucking Tribble.
Didn't his wife die under suspicous circumstances?
[quote]If I was his co-star,
Well, you're having so much trouble with spelling and grammar I'd say you'd be far better off as his co-star than as a writer.
"If I [italic]were[/italic] his editor..."
R82 doesn't understand "ensemble". That cast is beloved for a reason, Shatner. Nice try.
You're a tool R85.
Alone much? I believe the answer to that is YES YES YES YES!
Shatner is a legend and keeps his supporting cast employed and earning money to pay bills.
Are they going to get office jobs now? Nope...ridin' the Shatner gravy train.
Did Shatner win any emmys? He must have. The question is how many?
R89 I know there were lots of nominations over the years. One win I remember was a Golden Globe for Boston Legal a few years back. He's won a shitload of Sci-fi awards too.
Years ago, I got on an elevator to go up to my hotel room on a family vacation, and just as the door was closing, a man stuck his hand in the door and opened it. It was William Shatner. I was in shock. I was 14 and a huge Star Trek fan (this was a few months before Star Trek-The Motion Picture opened). I nodded and said, "Hello." He nodded and said, "Hello, and how are you?" Quite friendly. I responded, but I didn't ask for an autograph or say anything more because I had always heard he had an attitude toward fans, and I decided to leave it at that. A fun memory though.
An actress friend of mine, Geraldine Court, told me that she did summer stock with Shatner in the early-mid 1960's. She said he was, of course, great looking but somewhat dim. One day when she was in a rehearsal studios hallway going over her lines she saw him walking into a rehearsal hall and then soon heard beautiful piano music wafting out. She thought it was a huge turn-on thinking this gorgeous young man was playing the music. He asked her out one more time later that day (after attempting to date her numerous times since they'd begun rehearsals) and she said yes. At the end of their date she asked him to play the piano for her in the living room at her residence but he told her he didn't know how. She let him kiss her on the cheek and that was it.
I was totally in love with him during his Star Trek days - very handsome, charismatic and, in the good episodes - say Miri, City on the Edge of Forever, he was very very good.
Ok I will admit it, he is so my type I date guys that have his look when he was in his 30s.
It makes me sad to think that William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy are so old now and won't be with us much longer. They both turn 82 in March.
I met Shatner about a year ago. He must have mellowed with age because he was a total sweetheart. Generous and gracious.
I agree R95. Thank goodness they are still going strong. So many original cast members have passes away already.
It makes me quite happy that Shatner and Nimoy have lived long and prospered. May they continue to do so for many years to come.
Deforest Kelley, Deceased
R98. I totally miss DeForrest Kelly. I loved Bones and his interaction with Spock especially.
I know Shatner had a bad reputation back in the day.
He is the only Captain Kirk (Admiral Kirk) in my book. Chris Pine is good but he has a long way to go.
In the mid-60s (I was quite a young person at the time but quite familiar with him from even before Star Trek--from Twilight Zone and other TV shows) I saw Shatner and what appeared to be the wife in a little restaurant in Laurel Canyon. He was not really a cult figure yet I think. He was NOT wearing a hair piece and had an extremely bald pate. I was only a few feet away. He was fairly young at the time I guess and probably could go out without the rug so he wouldn't be recognized. He most have gone bald at a very young age.
R99 Definitely. The interaction between Shatner, Nimoy & Kelley WAS Star Trek. I thought J.J. Abrams Trek was okay, but they got the chemistry all wrong between Kirk, Spock and McCoy. Abrams' Trek focused on the trio of Kirk/Spock/Uhura, it seemed. You're right about Pine, he's good but he's no Shat. Quinto is pretty good as Spock, but I prefer Nimoy. Deforest Kelley can never be duplicated. He was a true original.
I meant DeForest Kelly.
R98. Question. In the JJ Abrams Trek, I didn't mind the Uhura/Spock relationship at first, but towards the end of the movie it was really starting to bug me.
Abrams' Spock was so by the book and quoted regulations so often, the relationship seemed ridiculous and annoying.
R103 - Not to mention that they threw the whole "Vulcans mating only every seven years" and "Pon Farr" right out the window (so Spock could conveniently bang Miss Uhura). I guess changing the time line also changed thousands of years of Vulcan biology in the wink of an eye.
Sarek & the newly dead Amanda through R98
103. EXACTLY. The alternate reality wiped the slate clean on everything I knew.
I loved the character of Amanda. The one person you felt Spock had love for was his mother. I guess that now is transferred to Uhura.
I do think Karl Urban was a good McCoy in the Abrams' Trek. He was the closest in personality to the original of the three (Kirk, Slick, McCoy) but I agree Kelly was an original.
Yikes. Kirk Spock McCoy. This spell checker is a pain.
Star Trek V wasn't a great movie - but I didn't think it was as bad as the critics said.
I found the concept interesting..and some pretty memorable lines and performances.
William Shatner is a Satanist and homosexual. There is quite a significant amount of evidence to support this fact. [click thru to see the evidence] Shatner made a movie in 1965 called Incubus in an unknown language. [Incubus full movie watch here]
- Also suspicious circumstances surrounding William Shatner's 3rd wife death. Some people do believe Shatner, our beloved Capt Kirk, killed his 3rd wife. She wanted a divorce and comments were made on how expensive divorce was. She mysteriously drowns. They suspect she was dead after our beloved Kirk called the police.
- Thirdly and this is very strange, Incubus, the 1965 black and white horror film starring William Shatner, was the second movie ever released in the artificial language Esperanto. Many more details, see URL. Thank you Sandra Bullock and Jamie Jones
Uh-oh! Everyone get out your tin-hat. We're in for a bumpy ride. R108 is on the case. I would LOVE to find our that the Shat is homosexual. That would be awesome. I had many a fantasy about him when I was a kid back in the '70s. As for the Satanist shit, I sincerely doubt that.
I don't know R108, but I could have had a devil of a gay old time with Shatner circa the '60s/'70s. He was one hot mother fucker back in the day. I would have fucked the shit out of his cute little ass back in the day. That's for damn sure!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY Captain Kirk
I love the Shat. He fucking rocks. I only hope I'm half as upbeat and fun as he is as 82. I love me some Captain/Admiral/Captain Kirk!
He was a thing of beauty back in the Star Trek (original series) days. Yum Yum Gimme Some!
From Dlisted. I did not recognize him until I read the name.
Unbelievably bad--tried to screw me on a 10 minute break win the
church holding room during a commercial shoot. Found out he had been married 2 weeks before.
What a JERK which is putting it nicely.
My mom watched [italic]Star Trek[/italic] because she had a crush on him. She never watched any of the others.
He was a poor man's Martin Milner
Sometime in the 80s William Shatner seems to have decided that no one was going to laugh harder at "William Shatner" than, well...William Shatner. He's made a nice living at it ever since.
Slightly OT, but mentioning JJ Abrams: Jesus, that first Star Trek reboot was painful. One of the worst parts of it was lens flares, lens flares fucking EVERYwhere.
I know JJ has said he's over that little fetish, but this movie will exist for all time.
Also, De Kelley was the fuckin' MAN. Maybe not as pretty as Shat, but he will always have a place in my heart.