What exactly do the gun nuts want?

No one is taking away their hunting rifles and handguns. What exactly do they want? The same firepower as the military and if so why do they support the military? Just get rid of it and then they can go fight overseas with their own weapons. They all sound illogical. They are also dragging in the abortion issue which has zero to do with this subject. "Obama is so concerned with schoolchildren so why isn't he concerned with millions of unborn children?". If I read that one more time maybe I will go on a spree through the nearest redneck neighborhood.

• They basically would want any rules or regulations - completely uncontrolled. It's a similar vein of thinking in the financial industry, where they deride any regulations - which caused our most recent collapse. I don't understand it - I think a gun (or lots of guns) makes them feel powerful and allows them to have a chip on their shoulder or be more confident. Most are not hunters - and there's a huge difference between a hunting rifle and what some of these people have. It's bizarre. However, that's the NRA - a lot of gun owners and NRA members are for reasonable laws. NRA is not and is a big bully (with their guns).

• I think the NRA's new ad is waaaaay out of line. These nuts have been given too much power. Who the hell do they think they are? It's coming to a head. I wouldn't put anything past them. A bunch of psychopaths if you ask me.

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• They want the right to kill people. How is that any different from AIDS infested homos who murdered tens of thousands?

• I don't know what they want but what they need, is a brain.

• What church do you go to, good Christian conservative family-oriented straight male at r3?

• Not enough F&Fs in the world for the cunt at R3.

• The NRA owns this country and they don't want you to forget it.

• They want to go back to the Wild West days of no gun regulations and total lawlessness because they think they have something to prove.

• Pearl-clutchers.

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• [quote]who murdered tens of thousands? Care to back that "murder" statistic up? [quote]Tragically 26 people were killed at Sandyhook due to a crazed gunman. Last year nearly 1 million children were killed by a licensed doctor in an abortion. where is the outrage there? Typical abortion link argument I'm seeing today. Apparently fetuses are more important than already born, breathing human beings.

• They fear race wars. I work with gun nuts, and they are coincidentally trying to get the lone hispanic male fired.

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• to have a much larger penis than their's to hate fuck them. overcompensating bastards.

• "The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation." --- Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf

• The gun nuts think it's a god given right for them to own guns, any type of gun. They'll find a Bible verse to support this belief if they have to. And I don't want to hear how the saintly founding fathers wrote the 2nd amendment and therefore owing guns is some type of scared cow. It's fucking not. Were the founding fathers infallible? Did they not allow slavery in this country? Were not some of them slave owners themselves? Did they exclude women from voting? Did time move on and those wrongs righted? Well time has moved since every white American man owned a musket. And the 2nd amendment should either be abolished or amended or radically re-interpreted for the 21st century. We can't let the wingnuts win this one. We'll be truly fucked if they do. They win this and other fundamental issues over the next few years and I'm going to have beg relatives in Australia and New Zealand to sponsor me for immigration.

• The false equivalency is astounding, r10.

• R11 they fear government. They're arming themselves for an uprising one day. And they should fear the government with ads like that. You don't bring POTUS's children into it. He's probably fuming. There's an old saying...you attract more bees with honey.

• well yes R12. Their guns are an extension of their collective penises.

• R3 certainly typifies what a cesspool DL has become.

• The NRA doesn't give fuck about the living, the unborn or anything else except the selling of killing machines.

• Of course the "right to bear arms" when written consisted on one shot black powder rifles. I don't think it included automatic weapons capable of huge capacity clips.

• R18, R3 is one out of 18 replies prior to this one, but he "typifies" DL? I think you need to look up the definition of the word in a dictionary.

• why is it ok for the President to surround himself with other people's kids on stage today when he signed his new gun regulations, but it's not ok for the opposition to highlight the armed guards at his kid's school? Isnt that a double standard??

• I'm neither a nut, nor a Christian. I'm not against abortion in most cases. I don't even own a gun, but I believe the founding fathers were uber wise in allowing us to keep our weapons to protect ourselves against our government becoming tyrannical. The 2nd amendment is all about giving the rests of our rights teeth to defend themselves from being taken. You people who would disarm us, are just being foolish.

• R16, the gov't fear mongers are stoking the flames themselves. The more the nutters stockpile a military load of weapons and ammo and thumb their noses at the federal government, the more the feds will investigate them. And boom, the war all the nutters all fear but really want so they can play war with all their special guns. That will show the libs how manly and truly patriotic they are...

• [quote]You people who would disarm us, are just being foolish disarm? No, keep your funking rifles and handguns.

• The problem with the commercial is that President Obama's children are treated no differently than any other president's children (well preteen children anyway). It isn't his call. Imaginary yes, but Bartlett had to stop being President because his child was kidnapped and in jeopardy. It isn't that much of a stretch to believe that scenario, regardless of the party in the White House.

• R24 is right, it's what they truly want, isn't it? The gun nuts want a big civil war, it's what they are striving for.

• R22, what types of weapons should civilians have in order to give those teeth some bite? Rocket launchers? Tanks? Landmines? Nuclear weapon? What is enough? Where do we draw the line? Obama's plan doesn't come anywhere close to taking guns away from Americans. It doesn't come anywhere close to doing away with the 2nd amendment. But of course the NRA are all too happy to cynically play on those fears. Sadly, judging by your response, there are plenty who will fall for it. God helps us when you're a bad guy because you do not want millions of military-style weapons in a so-called first world country.

• I'm going to make a bold statement and say that Obama's chances of finishing his second term alive are dwindling.

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• But no one wants to disarm you R23. They just want a few more restrictions. What's wrong with a psych evaluation, longer waiting periods and limits on assault weapons?

• No "child" gets killed in an abortion clinic. Just made this point to a conservacunt filled thread on Facebook. And yes, in the same thread, some nut mentioned the threat of "takeover" by the government as a justification to own an assault rifle. Some of these people are really untreated paranoid personality disordered or paranoid schizophrenics--which I have always suspected.

• [quote] The gun nuts want a big civil war, it's what they are striving for. I say bring it. Those sorry pussies will be wiped out before they even know what hit them.

• My message was meant for R23, R22.

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• Why does the arguement we need our guns to keep the government honest always seem to me to translate as "we are going to start a civil war if that uppity nigger in the Whitehouse steps out of line." Isn't threatening to take arms against the government treason? Why do you need guns to control the government when you have elections? Or do elections only count to gun people when the person they want got elected.

• I love how everyone here is climbing aboard with taking guns away from the public, yet has stood around and said nothing while our military has been slaughtering innocent middle eastern civilians, including children, for 10 years. We are a sick and stupid people who deserve the fascist government coming our way.

• The Founding Fathers, or the heads of the states actually, were afraid of a STANDING FEDERAL ARMY. They didn't want to pay for it and they didn't want that threat hanging over their heads. There was also some thought that a standing army had to have something to do and wars being the best way for them to spend their time..... The 2nd Amendment had ZERO to do with hunting or with arming the people against a tyrannical government. It was about having a military to respond to external threats available without having to pay for it. These facts are clearly shown in the writings of those who put together the Bill of Rights.

• Idiot at R35. As explained no one wants to take your guns away. Innocents always die in wars. Shitty fact of life. Talk to the government. As if it will do any good. If the republicunts are elected then, yes, we will be fascist. Bingo R34. It's all about keeping the negro from getting too uppity.

• Speaking of paranoid schizophrenics....(looking at R35).

• The NRA makes MONEY off of guns sales and have Republicans in their pockets. A ban cuts into profits. They want to revert back to the wild wild west with everyone packing.

• [quote]yet has stood around and said nothing while our military has been slaughtering innocent middle eastern civilians, including children, for 10 years. One of the more popular talking points from freepers I've seen today. "Wah, those poor little children in the ME being slaughtered but evil libs are taking my guns away". As if anyone of them gives a shit about little brown, foreign, MOOSLIM kids being killed.

• [quote]I love how everyone here is climbing aboard with taking guns away from the public nobody is taking guns away from anyone that isn't an unhinged lunatic! Is this why you are so befuddled? You seem borderline.

• True, R40. The "what we REALLY need to talk about is mental illness" vamping didn't work for them, so they have to find something else to point at.

• There is NO reason why the public needs the equivalent to machine guns. It is pure idiocy to suggest otherwise.

• Comparing the armed guards for the presidents children to armed guards at schools is ridiculous. His children are targets not just for wingnuts who hate the president but global terrorist. The truly has nothing to do with guns. We should be focused on the lack of mental health for our children. The people who do these terrible things are disturbed and there has to have been warning signs that parents or teachers or neighbors or doctors could have seen if there was training for treating mental illness. If a determined person wanted to kill a bunch of kids and had no guns, what is to stop them from burning down the school, or poisoning the water, or just running in with a chainsaw and hacking away at people? There are people in this country who do not feel safe, safe in their own home or safe in their own city of safe in their own county. If they need weapons to make them feel safe, the second amendment grants that right. We need to concentrate on the people doing the crimes and spend the money on identifying mental health issues early and getting these kids help.

• Why didn't my previous post show up?

• My dad never cared one bit about guns, but after the Newtown shooting when (not surprisingly!) there was increased talk of gun control, he went out and bought a handgun with an extra large magazine - never mind that the kids that were killed were the same age as his grandsons. I blame Fox news that gins up fear in all these angry old white guys (like my dad) who are mad as hell that they have four more years of the "n%gger" president and on top of that, he's going to take away their precious guns. I think for a lot of people it's their own pitiful way of throwing a fuck you to the government - and Obama. As for the NRA, they feel that they are so powerful that no one dare say no to them.

• The cure for erectile disfunction is not assault weapons!

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• Just Say No, No NRA.

• I asked on the other one of these gun threads and no one answered -- why did the last assault ban only last for ten years? Why didn't they just ban them and be done with it?