Is there a blog or aggreator of these types of stories? They would be nice responses to the FB ammosexual's constant postings of 12 year old girls shooting intruders stories that are so popular these days.
This kind of story is news and comes to our attention. What doesn't become news and to our collective attention when the many more times the presence of firearms prevents harm. Makes a Second Amendment defense harder to make but one we, as nuanced beings, can grasp.
"What doesn't become news and to our collective attention when the many more times the presence of firearms prevents harm"
Typical NRA "logic"
R11, I'm not an NRA member nor do I own a firearm. But I do live in the real world and can appreciate the deterrence effect of guns. If you allow yourself to think for yourself and not blindly follow others, you may realize the world is not as black and white as it is in your cartoon existence.
"If you allow yourself to think for yourself and not blindly follow others, you may realize the world is not as black and white as it is in your cartoon existence."
Funny, since you are the one who is not thinking for yourself and is blindly following others! You're just repeating NRA/conservative talking points.
You're the one who is living in black and white if you think a gun will always protect you. Gotta love conservatives who lecture liberals about black and white thinking when conservatives are the ones who are guilty of that kind of thinking.
[quote]Is there a blog or aggreator of these types of stories?
Jim Romanesko's Obscure Store often features Darwin worthy stories such as this one. It's the very type of story he'd feature.
Well, used to. I just checked out his site and he stopped maintaining it a year ago.
R13, the paucity of your argument is revealed by the fact that you are compelled to misrepresent my position. I never contended that guns will ALWAYS protect you. I only made the reasonable point that guns can have some deterrent effect. If you actually disagree, it IS you who are the dogmatic one living in a black & white cartoon world.
Did a search for "gun" on Obscure Store and sure enough, there are loads of stories about gun fatalities under odd circumstances. I don't know if I would call this one a "favorite" but it does capture the insanity. 8 year old kid fatally shoots himself with machine gun at a gun show.
[quote]What doesn't become news and to our collective attention when the many more times the presence of firearms prevents harm.
Please back up your claim with some statistics from a reputable agency.
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R18, is the Sandy Hook example recent enough for you?
Robert Lanza didn't just stop his onslaught & direct his arsensal against himself
without prompting. It was only the presence of competing firearms that he took his own life, rather than even more innocent lives at the school.
Who the hell is Robert Lanza and what does the police or an organized military bearing weapons on their job have to do with this?
Generally, the population does't have problems with it. Just moron yahoos who yap about the second amendment as though it is the very definition and guarantee of safety.
"is the Sandy Hook example recent enough for you?"
So, what you are saying is that all you have is anecdotal evidence and not statistics? Okay, then. And Adam Lanza probably planned to kill himself all along, anyway. And firearms certainly didn't help Nancy Lanza protect herself against her own son!
"the paucity of your argument is revealed by the fact that you are compelled to misrepresent my position."
The paucity of your argument is revealed by the fact that you misrepresented my posts. Studies show that social conservative views are linked to low IQ. That explains your stupid posts. You can't even tell the difference between anecdotal evidence and statistics, you moronic redneck.
Nice to see someone taking the high road. You might want to adjust your meds, r22. And by all means stay away from sharp objects.
Arguments made by people such as R10 are very easily countered by the fact that the rates of intentional homicides per 100,000 of population are much, much lower in countries with strict gun laws like the UK.
If you have an ideological attachment to gun ownership and the 2nd Amendment, that's one thing, but no one should attempt to argue that widespread gun ownership keeps the population safer, because it simply isn't true.
Comparing the US and any other country in this context is like comparing apples and cindar blocks. The US culture, as well as its heterogeneity, is very different from the rest of the world.
British society, certainly in urban areas, has become highly heterogenous.
Hard to quarrel wih this analysis:
"[T]he policy makers want to focus on mass shooters and not every day shooters. They want to focus on rifles and not handguns. Rifles, interestingly enough, contribute to far fewer murders than knives, hands, feet, clubs, or hammers.
But the discussion will not move to handguns because handguns are pretty popular in this country. *** [H]andguns are used in vastly more crimes.
It is not, however, just handguns that must be discussed when discussing gun violence. This gets to why we cannot have a meaningful conversation in this country and never will. To do so will get you branded a racist.
“Blacks were disproportionately represented as both homicide victims and offenders. The victimization rate for blacks (27.8 per 100,000) was 6 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000). The offending rate for blacks (34.4 per 100,000) was almost 8 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000).” ***
Don Lemon on CNN had a discussion with *** David Sirota on whether we should profile young white males because pretty much every mass shooting incident has involved young white males with mental health issues. But, again, these are far less likely to happen than a gang related drive by shooting. ***
The profile of the typical murderer with a gun is a black male in a city under the age of 25. This is not to suggest we should profile young black men. We should not. But we should, if we really want to curb gun violence in the United States, start our conversation looking at this phenomenon. Interestingly enough, the DOJ report notes of murders by poison, 80.6% were by white offenders and just 16.8% were by black offenders. Murders by gun were 41.2% by white offenders and 56.9% by black offenders.
Gun violence in the United States is, over all, on a steady decline, something the chattering class and policy makers tend to ignore. Again, from the Department of Justice:
In 2008, black males age 18 to 24 years-old had the highest homicide victimization rate (91.1 homicides per 100,000). That rate was more than double the rate for black males age 25 or older (38.4 homicides per 100,000) and almost triple the rate for black males age 14 to 17 (31.4 homicides per 100,000).
Among black males age 18 to 24, the homicide victimization rate was much lower in 2008 (91.1 homicides per 100,000) than in the late 1980s and early 1990s, when it reached a high of 195.9 homicides per 100,000 in 1993.
Between 1980 and 2008, young adult black males had the highest homicide offending rate compared to offenders in other racial and sex categories.
The offending rate for black male teens peaked in 1993 at 246.9 offenders per 100,000 before declining. In recent years, the black male teen offending rate has increased from 54.3 offenders per 100,000 in 2002 to 64.8 offenders per 100,000 in 2008.
These are terrible statistics. In our urban areas — and gun violence happens much more in urban areas than anywhere else — young black men, often in broken families, are joining gangs and committing acts of violence against each other. There have been 24 people murdered with guns in Chicago since the Newtown tragedy (see here and here). Just look at the most violent neighborhood in Chicago with 202 murders since 2007. Look at the ages.
Banning guns tomorrow will not stop this. Focusing on handguns instead of rifles or with rifles will not stop this. *** Until we figure out how to fix the family instability and educational problems within the inner-city (because the problem is ultimately about poverty more than anything else), any solution proposed in Washington will be a Potemkin village solution masking the real gun conversation we should be having.
But, because the issue is tinged with race and often viewed as lacking a solution, policy makers and the media often don’t want to make eye contact with the problem. Instead, they’ll be consumed by the headline tragedy urge to “just do something”."
[quote] black & white cartoon world.
Cartoons haven't been black and white for some time.
r12, guns are not a deterrent to someone committing a crime.
They are another obstacle to be considered and overcome by a dedicated criminal.
The outcome is escalation.