There's a freak in the Andrew Rannells thread who says that a majority of gay men have had sex with a woman. Let's see if it's true.
Nope. Never have, never will. No desire to.
Are you kidding? I bathe in pussy.
No, and don't intend to.
Well, gay men are clearly united in their opposition to the pussy...
BREAKING: Gay men don't actively seek out vagine!
I let my female friends suck my dick if they are horny for me. I can't get hard to fuck them in the pussy. I do enjoy playing with titties, male or female, and I like to fondle and explore the pussy, I just can't get erect for fucking because that is not my orientation. If I have had a few drinks, it lowers my inhibitions and the women can get more from me than if I am stone cold sober.
I'm bisexual but prettend to be gay. Girls love gay.
Once. It was when I finally realized and accepted I was gay. My dick literally went numb. However, I will disclose it was a situation I was pressured into by my asshole father, so that probably was a factor too.
The Andrew Rannells freak is nowhere to be found... He's been proven wrong.
R6, LOL, no one believes that bullshit. What you wrote indicates you've never been sexually within 10 miles of a woman.
I experimented with women in high school and college. It was a farce. I've always preferred the company of a man, society really can screw-up a young mind. This is why equality and acceptance is so important for the youth today. So much precious time is wasted.
I was to fat in high school so no girls wanted anything to do with me during my "trying not to be gay" phase.
I tried it with several prostitutes before I accepted the fact that I am homosexual. It didn't work because my cock would not stay hard enough for penetration. I thought that if I achieved coitus just one time, then I would have the confidence to do it for life. I could go ahead and get married and live as heterosexual, have babies, be normal, even if I might actually be a little light in the loafers. I always made a point of being very religious, from seventh grade on, and of course only dating girls who were also very religious. Some of them wanted to have sex with me in spite of our religiosity against it, but I had that built in abstinence excuse.
Twice, with huge difficulty, at a time when I was still wrestling with my sexuality. I'm grateful to the woman, who was amazingly understanding (we remained fast friends); but the whole thing helped me realize that I was exclusively gay. Never looked back.
I tried, but no woman would have me.
Proud gold star gay. Gay men who have sex with women are losers who are still battling some shame issues.
Considering that it's nearly 40% who have had sex with a woman according to this poll, bisexuality amongst gay men is a lot more common than folks on DL like to admit.
I notice that most of the posters in the actual thread, though, are defending the purity of their gold-starriness. Reads like defensiveness to an onlooker.
No. No interest, no curiosity, no questioning of what I prefer...
You aren't bi if you can't get hard enough to sit in the canoe.
Well one has to be defensive, when gay men are pressured into straight sex by the bi and self-loathing gay community, all under the disguise of liberation and experimentation. I was constantly told I was some sorta half man for not having straight sex or getting into some MMF 3some. I was told I was boring, a prude and an uptight fag.
So take your muff diving face and shove it up your hole.
I have had sex with a number of women. Most of the time it was fucking a woman with another man.
[quote] bisexuality amongst gay men is a lot more common than folks on DL like to admit.
It's not bisexuality if you're closing your eyes and pretending you're with a man.
[quote]Considering that it's nearly 40% who have had sex with a woman according to this poll, bisexuality amongst gay men is a lot more common than folks on DL like to admit.
Stupid frau.. gay men have sex with women because it's what is expected of them. It's societal norms. If you actually read this thread most gays who had sex with women said they didn't enjoy it, and some even said they couldn't go through with it. Even if you do have sex with women before you come out, that doesn't necessarily mean you're bi. You're still gay. Gay men even get married and have children. Yes, it's possible, and no.. they were never bisexual, just in denial, deeply closeted and self hating.
No. Never. 100% gay at 50.
I wonder how many of the gay men who've fucked a woman are also tops in their gay life. I bet most.
I wonder how many straight men would be physically turned on enough to have the ability to stay hard and screw a man.
I have many times. Vaginas feel better on my cock. Assholes may be tighter but they do little more than squeeze my dick. A vag feels like my dick is getting a warm wet hug.
Thanks for answering my musings, r28. That really says it all!
I also went through a period of confusion in HS and college.
I thought, if I don't taste lobster, how do I know I don't like it?
But there's no particular reason to be "proud" of being a virgin with women. That's just silly.
WTF is a Gold Star Gay?
r6 If you're lying back and having your dick sucked with your eyes closed and can't get hard, you need some help. It's very easy to be with a woman and just do oral. I've done it plenty of times. I lick pussy but that does not excite me. I have never stuck my dick into a vagina, however, closing my eyes and getting sucked by a female always makes me hard since I'm basically fantasizing about a hot guy doing it.
Really, R29? Most of the gay men I know who've been with women are tops or top/versatile. And most of the bottoms I know haven't been near a vagine.
Not necessarily, R26.
I've fucked two girls. One a good friend of mine when we were 19. Mmany times. We were both young, horny, I hadn't totally accepted the fact that I might be gay and we were just having fun. It wasn't an awful time by any stretch, too. I wasn't physically repulsed by what we were doing. The other girl was once in college. She threw herself at me all night long at a party so I finally relented let her blow me up a tree. Then we went back to my dorm room and I fucked her. She only told me, right beforehand, that she was a virgin. So...that happened. And it was really bad sex.
Then I finally wised up, got fucked for the first time by a guy and never looked back. It was the most amazing thing I had ever experienced. After bottoming for the first time, when the top was finished, I immediately asked him to do it again.
So, not all guys who experiment with girls turn into huge tops. I didn't.
I was small, geeky and had acne in a small town H.S. I was also a bullied outcast, so the idea of dating or 'experimenting' with anyone but my hand was light years away.
By the time I moved to the big city in my early twenties, I was still a virgin. But 110% certain I was gay. Though this was before porn was widely available, so I didn't have a clue what you did with a man.
I would stipulate that vaginas are particularly suitable for penises to fuck--mechanically, very serviceable. Been there. Done that.
But as a gay man, there's nothing like a sexy, male body and hard dick and bubble butt to fire me up. Also, I understand exactly how to make another guy feel good. Women's orgasms are always a little mysterious. You never can tell if or when they're ever finished, and you know you'll never really understand first-hand what's happening with them sexually, because it's a whole different set of things for them. You might think it's over, but is never really over 'til the fat lady sings, or something like that.
Yes. Once. Big mistake. Unpleasant, unfulfilling, sad and resulted in a weirdness of ownership. (It wasn't my idea, I was young and manipulated.)
R37 you are pathetic. 'Manipulated' my ass
Boring, R17. Try and stir up outrage again later.
59% of gay men said 'no' to societal pressure. Nice.
Only slept with women in college, a total of six girls. It wasn't as bad as most gay guys would think. Last time I was with a girl, I went down on her. No shit, she had a yeast infection, and that was the last time I was with a girl
Guys only for the past 20 years. Not going back either.
You are gay, you can't love a woman. You lose.
I'm another who has no problem getting hard if someone wants to suck me off, but I am not able to penetrate. This is the same whether male or female, but I am much more strongly attracted to other men. Goodlooking, handsome, pretty, sexy, studly, masculine men. I don't mind letting a woman suck me off, and I don't mind letting a fat or fem man have a go at it, either. But as much as I want to experience everything, and get a piece of pussy to see what that is like, my cock just does not do it. And the same with anal. I want to be a top so bad that is all I fantasize about when I jerk off, and almost all the men that I've ever been with sexually want it, but my cock just won't. Does anybody know what might cause this? I am embarrassed to go to a sex therapist and say "Look I want to fuck a hunk in the ass, but I can't."
R43? It means you're a bottom.
DL bitches seem to have problems understanding that straight men don't all want cock, and gay men don't want vag.
I think it's probably easier for gay men to have sex with women than for straight men to have sex with men, simply because man + woman has been the dominant evolutionary principle and sexual orientation since the dawn of time, and the sex organs were designed to merge, too.
No. Vagina honestly disgusts me. I can see the attractiveness in women but boobs and vagina are huge no-goes.
Bisexuality among gay men [R17]? Most of the guys who have said they've been with women more or less said they did it to prove to themselves they're gay or out of pressure, and couldn't even get hard to fuck. Which, magically, is the story for the overwhelming majority of gay men.
With that being said, there is nothing wrong with bisexuality or experimentation. At all. Sex is sex, sex is fun, so have fun with it, as long as it's safe (physically/emotionally) for the parties involved.
Yes. It was pleasurable. It was not for me though. I have no fear of the pussy and can see why others find it as hot as I find cock.
I consider anyone who isn't a gold star gay to be bisexual. Same goes for straight guys.
Yes. I grew up in a small Texas town and dated girls all through high school in the early 80s. I had sex with seven different girls during that time. The sex was more like masturbation, just something to do to get off. I was never attracted to females sexually but it was much easier to have sex with them, plus it served as a cover for my closeted feelings in a very conservative little town. During the time, I already knew I was gay. I was having a secret relationship with one of my best buddies. I graduated from high school in May of 1983 and went off to college that fall. I dated one girl in college for a few months before giving them up for good. I have not been with a female since.
Yes, in college before I came out at 20 years old. I guess it was pleasant enough. I remember the first time I finally did it with a girl we stayed overnight with friends and I had to hurry to work he next morning. I kept smelling pussy on my finger, even after I washed it. It was kind of gross and a turn on at the same time.
Fucked around with a few girls after that until I finally understood the sweet mystery of life on the Fourth of July, 1983. Bottomed a few times but am definitely a top by nature. Don't even like to suck cock that much...play with it, yes. But sucking dries out my mouth and makes my jaw hurt.
Do enjoy a clean ass though.
I am a lesbian. I know many more gay men who have never had an opposite-sex experience than women. The reason is that men pressure women to have sex with them in a very hard-core way in the young years (especially in the time and place where I grew up). With a few gold star exceptions, dykes have generally tried men more than gay men have tried women.
Sampled the fellas...very sexy and fun until the actual act takes place...at which point it gets boring.
[R-47] The body parts were designed to be dichotomous and incongruent and with totally distinct functions. Hence the reason that straight men have to get sexually aroused with body parts that they are totally unrelated to.
A man getting sexually aroused with body parts that are not the same ones that his body is made up,is simply faking sexual belonging and trying too hard to belong sexually to a person with a different body more than he actually does to someone of the same form and shape as himself.
Exchanging masculine body traits such as penis,scrotum,male nipples,testicles etc for women's sexually dimorphic body parts, with distinct physical dimensions and functions, such as vagina,clitoris,boobs, uterine secretions etc, is what hermaphroditized males know how to do best.
The exchange of unequal body parts for the purpose of sexual arousal is a very severe type of androgynous inclination at the same level of transsexualism,and cross-dressing.Mild effeminate body gestures and voice is nothing compared to the hermaphroditizing undergone by many so called macho men.Those are the very ones who can spend years and years part taking and co-having feminine body parts with the opposite sex that they don't belong sexually to.
Human society since the beginning of time has used all kinds of philosophical gimmicks such as religion,taboos,myth,morality and ethics in order to conceal the cost and impact of getting sexually aroused with strange body parts that are totally distinct in shape and functions from the ones we've got.The natural cost of sexual reproduction is extremely high. Only the most androgynous,sexually receptive and passive of the males can actually adopt body parts that they were not born with as legit sexual organs.
NOT THAT DEEP. Its easier for dudes to be gay because they can get more ass from another ugly male than a good looking chick. less work more fukking. all mutts wanna do is fukk. and we can do a lot more of it with other mutts addicted to the same thing
and that gay voice thing is 99 times fake. guys pretending to be gay do that voice so other gay guys will know their ass is open for business
and a mutt is a mutt. no such thing as a special mutt who only fukss certain holes. mutts fuck anything and everything. most guys calling themselves gay still do chicks on the side and dont tell you.
they'd get kicked out of the so called "gay" club if they did
[quote]I wonder how many of the gay men who've fucked a woman are also tops in their gay life. I bet most.
It's been years since I've had sex with a woman, but not so long since I've made out with a woman (and, yes, I got aroused).
I do like looking at male-female porn sometimes as well as male-male (though male-male is the default).
And I'm a top when I have sex with men -- the few times I've tried bottoming or being submissive feels less natural than it does being with a woman.
I don't know if I'm bi or gay-with-tendencies or what, but it doesn't really matter.
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A majority of gay men have NOT had sex with women. Let this be remembered for future threads.
I didn't answer the poll question because I'm bi with a general preference for men. Has anyone posted a Kinsey Scale poll on DL recently? I'd be curious to see separate ones for males and females (with numbers 0 through 6 as the poll options). I'd say I'm about a 4.
I lost my virginity to Eartha Kitt. Once was ENOUGH for me!
Yes, quite a few times. I never craved cock, but was attracted to guys. I am gay. Coupled. But you would never find me sucking off dudes.
I love to fuck. Pussy is nice. Some women are sexy to me still.
But my heart and my dick are married to one fine ass guy. His dick I suck. I like it.
We are all different and sexuality is on a continuum for many as much as many gay guys want to say otherwise. Except of course when there is a "straight" guy that they lust for and think has tendencies.....
Pussies are prettier than cocks to me, but I am gay and happily so.
Sorry to be contrary.
R65 your honesty is refreshing.
once i helped myself to some tittys while "enjoying" mutual masturbation with a second womyn. it was 19 and wasted at the time. i didn't even think of putting my peen inside. i don't like womyn like that. enough said!
Please don't bash me for asking this question in good faith. I know that ED is a factor for men at one time or another, but it doesn't seem to be much of a problem for men in their 20's unless they are really loaded on cocaine or alcohol.
So, having said that, if a woman is extremely attractive and is in no way encouraging a man to "take it there" but he wants to anyway, and then once in bed he cannot get an erection, would you feel safe to say that there is a good chance he is gay, but still having an internal struggle with himself? It happened with two different guys over a 5 year period, and they were very good looking and groomed to the max from head to toe. In other words, they were a little more suspicious than say, a couple of beer stained frat clods with dirty sheets. ???
[quote] if a woman is extremely attractive and is in no way encouraging a man to "take it there" but he wants to anyway, and then once in bed he cannot get an erection, would you feel safe to say that there is a good chance he is gay, but still having an internal struggle with himself?
Let us judge your attractiveness.
In all seriousness - maybe. But it could be a million other things too. Someone upthread mentioned not being able to remain hard for penetration with men or women.
I heard that too R20. Sort of old school, I don't think I have heard it in a long time. But ya, other gays would sort of imply that you were a prude if you didn't try women.
I never listened to their bullshit. It's like they wanted to to make the same mistakes they made so they can feel better about them self.
Gold Star Gay here and proud of it.
I think the numbers are a little skewed. I would bet if you broke that down by age it would be about 70% elder gays have sex with women and more like 30% of younger gays.
The 20 or 30 something gays have not had the same kind of pressure to be straight as in the past so why eat sushi. The 80s called, they want their closed self hating gays back.
Oh, for fuck's sake! I am a 43 year old woman and I have had one yeast infection in my entire life. I am SO sick of idiots on this site citing this as why they found sex with women revolting. IT IS RARE!!! So please STFU about this crap already!
If you're gay and you found sex with a woman unfulfilling for that reason - great, say that, but stop with the moronic shit. Yeast infections are NOT that common.
My one and only encounter with a woman was with a young lady whose last name was Dick. That alone should have told me something...I
R65, you are the strangest anomaly of a "gay man" that I've ever heard. A gay man finding a pussy more attractive than a cock?! You are less common than 4-leaf clover. Or just actually bisexual, leaning-towards-women.
I had a few girlfriends - I never thought I was bisexual, but I never thought having sex with women was all that gross. Certainly nothing like being with a man, obviously.
Nope. Never have, never will. I'm from Generation-Y, so most of us never felt as pressured to "make" ourselves straight like past generations.
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every time i read this post i get so sad and more insecure than i already am, all i ever wanted was to be ina serious relationship with another man without having to worry about him leaving me for a girl, but it seems i have all the reason to worry, i cant believe you guys let women and sex n society manipulate you to betray our gay society, in tears.
I was born a thoroughbred and I'll die a thoroughbred!
[quote]a couple of beer stained frat clods with dirty sheets.
Now you're talking!
Do F2Ms count?
How long ago was that, mhb? Like 5 years ago? Obsessed much? Just get a girlfriend why don't you.
I think what R55 is confusedly trying to say is that guys who build up their pecs and butt to attract other males are essentially enacting a female role. I agree. I like flat chested, flat ass guys!
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Just because you like sex and can get hard with a woman does not mean you are bi. Gay is gay. If you prefer men, you are gay.
I've had sex with at least 25 women. No joke.
I've played with hundreds of men but only had anal sex with about 70 (rough guess).
God, your cock must smell, R86.
[quote]Just because you like sex and can get hard with a woman does not mean you are bi. Gay is gay. If you prefer men, you are gay.
Mate, if you like having sex with women you are not gay, you are bisexual. If you prefer men that makes you a bisexual who prefers men, it does not make you gay. I'm always confused by other people's confusion on this matter. Gay/homosexual is exclusive sexual/romantic attraction to
the same gender, str8/hetero is the opposite of this, anything in-between is bisexuality (which can have varying degrees). Why are people so insistent on changing the meaning of words?
Anyway, as to the poll, I'm another gay man who has never been with a woman. I also want to add that I am not grossed out by women and I think it's odd when some gay men make comments like this. I can appreciate beauty in a woman, I just have no sexual/physical/romantic attraction to women.
Things change. Often day to day.
I found sex with women entirely enjoyable.
But sex with men is fucking mind blowing.
There's eating a granola bar, and then the finest cheesecake in the world. That doesn't mean you're anything - you just want to fucking chow down on the food that tastes fantastic.
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The poll is tainted, I meant to click "yes" and somehow my mouse slipped and I entered a "no". So adjust accordingly.
Once. In high school. Did nothing for me.
The only thing that got me through it was knowing that my boyfriend at the time was also fucking this same girl. I couldn't 'get off' until I reminded myself that his cock had been in the same hole that my cock was currently plowing.
R89 writes like the corpse of Heinlein. Granola and cheesecake?
One answer is unlikely to change the results much at this point, R91. You can breathe easy.
R26 R29 R33 I used to fuck women and now that i am gay i am a top. And yeah I've found what R33 says to be generally true
Most closeted/married men are bottoms.
Bi lady here, and a guy I dated in my late teens slept with me, and THEN decided he was gay. It's happened a few times after too. I think I'm The Converter ..
As far as pussy goes, I'm like 7-Up:
Never had it, never will.
Well, I'm gay myself and I've had sex with women and I actually thought most gay guys went though the same, the results on this so far are intereting
Are you in your 40's, R98? Many younger gays have never felt pressure to have sex with women.
no!!! You get cancer from those dirty things.
I have always wondered about this and found this thread fascinating. Back in college I had a couple of friends/crushes who I now know (20 years later) are full-out of the closet gay. One was pretty obvious even back then, but he was just incredibly sexy, was known to fool around with girls, and frankly I just didn't care. We made out one night and he was so smooth, a fantastic kisser. The other was a guy I had a mad crush on...had NO CLUE that he could be gay, I mean not even a sniff. We made out on a few occasions and he always was in relationships with girls. I took him to a sorority formal and later that night he tried to get me to have sex with him; I wouldn't do it, because I was fishing for a relationship first. I have always wondered why, if he was gay (and had to know it at 21,) did he want to have sex with me...I still don't get it.
When you say "with," do you mean "alongside"? Then yes.
I am a lesbian, but I slept with a gay guy friend once because he was curious. We are both definitely gay.
The high number (48% said 'yes') is because this site skews ancient. The fortysomethings and fiftysomethings all had to screw girls in their youth to get by.
R101 can't read and doesn't know when no one wants her around (IRL and on DL).
No. Wouldnt mimd trying at least once one day just to see how it is...
R105, a poll is for people for people that have answers that are directly applicable to the question. The reply function is for others to comment on the subject, or give an answer that varies from the poll choices. Thanks for your amazing contribution to the discussion, though.
Once I realized I was gay at the age of 5, I had zero interest in girls. In fact, it wasn't until I was in my 30s that I completely understood a woman's monthly cycle or what the purpose of tampons were.
So, no, I have never had sex with a girl.
Total virgin when it comes to females. I can appreciate female beauty, but only intellectually. Have never been aroused at the sight of a female. I LIKE women, just don't wanna' fuck 'em.
I knew I was gay before I knew there was such a thing as "gay" - had a huge crush on my male best friend at age 6, and a ton of other boys growing up. Then I had a crush on a girl when I was 11. Then it was back to boys.
When I was 22 - between boyfriends - I had a 3-month fling with a girl and we had lots of sex. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't great. She, like everyone else, knew I was gay. I was totally out to all my friends and family.
Then it went back to guys and that was that. What's the big fucking deal?
I have had sex with a girl before, though I am gay.
You actually sound pretty defensive, R111. That's a long post to excuse a 3-month fling.
Goldstar gays are winning!
Ok, I know that I'm going to be called an EST but here goes.
I was married to a woman for a long time, came out and got divorced.
I have been with my partner for five years. We occasionally have sex with other people.
We went to a nude beach last week. We hung out in the straight section. We met a male/female couple who were very, very good-looking. We also met two other guys. We started drinking beer about 1pm. By 5pm we were all pretty trashed.
Ended up bringing the party back to our hotel and had a bisexual orgy. It was the first time I had sex with a woman in 10 years.
One guy was really more than a little bi. The other two, less so but still had fun.
Only once... I met a couple where the wife got off on watching her bi husband with another man. We'd usually get together while she watched, but one night he asked me to close my eyes and she started to ride me while he was fucking me! It was great, but when I tried later without him, I couldn't keep it hard.
Great experience though!
Been with and lived with women growing up through my "I'm not gay, rage, self loathing time". 50yo now and still a bit closeted (discreet) but like the dick 100%
[quote]No. No interest, no curiosity, no questioning of what I prefer...
[quote]No, and don't intend to.
[quote]yes. Once. Big mistake. Unpleasant, unfulfilling, sad and resulted in a weirdness of ownership. (It wasn't my idea, I was young and manipulated.)
No imagine those EXACT same words coming out of some hot STRAIGHT guy if asked if he ever had sex with a man...
Picture these straight guys saying those exact same words, with the same honesty you all answered with.
What is the first thought to cross your mind?
Curious about the mechanics of that, R116. What position was everyone in?
I was 17 and she was 15. And it was really hot.
When I was younger (late teens), I felt I could not rule out the possibility of being with women (or a woman), though I had a pretty good idea of where my orientation lay by that time. It wasn't an attempt to be "normal": I simply needed to play the field and not just blithely dismiss the female sex. I lost my virginity to a woman, proceeded to have an affair with her and, eventually, we moved in together. I was seriously considering proposing to her when she told me she had taken another man into my bed (while I was out of town on business for an extended period of time) and was leaving me. I was so shattered, so unprepared, so devoid of ego resources, it sent me into analysis for the next five years. At the time, I felt I was living in hell but in hindsight, thirty years later, it was the best thing that could have happened to me. I discovered something about myself and developed some cojones in the process. After several years, having survived the experience, I started dating men and have now been happily married for over twenty years.
Never -- women's bodies do absolutely nothing for me. I have female friends that I love like family, but I don't see them as attractive in any kind of sexual way.
What's this "Gold Star" bullshit?
Methinks the ladies doth protest too much.
I don't understand the concept of pride in not doing something that you have no interest in doing.
Yay for you!
[quote]There's a freak in the Andrew Rannells thread who says that a majority of gay men have had sex with a woman.
Maybe gay men of a certain age have tried it before since they came from a time when being gay was just awful and they were desperate to try to make themselves straight, but most gay men from Generation Y don't feel the need to try to make themselves be straight and know that they have no desire to have sex with women, so they don't bother.
I bedded quite a few girls in my younger years and actually lived with a hot, intelligent (MBA 4.0)Italian girl and for 2 years. I was happy and content although I still looked at men pics online.
Once while making love on the dining room table I started fascinating that what I was pounding was a hairy mans ass then I opened my eyes to my girl laying there crying. You see we started doing it on the table because I could funk her and stimulate her clit with my finger at the same time. She cried because it put her in ecstasy.
That was 20 years ago and I've been a cock sucker ever since.