Restaurant Owner in North Carolina Waits for Lesbian Couple to Pay Tab, Then Hands Them Letter Condemning Homosexuality‏

A married lesbian couple say they had just finished enjoying a meal at The Stingray Café in New Bern, North Carolina, when they were approached by the owner and handed a letter riddled with spelling errors telling them their homosexuality was hurting everyone around them. The full letter is transcribed below (sic throughout): God said in the last days that man and women would be lover of self, more then the lover of God. That man and woman would have unnatural effection for one another. Then, the coming of the Son of Man, who is Jesus. So please, look at your life. See how it hurt every one around you. And ask the Lord to open your eye before it to late. The Love of Christ P.S. my daughter also was gay. It destroy her life and my grandson. Reached for comment by NewsChannel 12, Ed McGovern confirmed the incident as described by Ariel and Shawnee McPhail. He told the station that the letter was an act of "love," and that this wasn't his first time handing such a letter to a lesbian couple. He also claimed that he was spurred by the sight of Ariel and Shawnee kissing outside his cafe. The McPhails deny any PDA — "we don't kiss in public. We were holding hands" — but say it doesn't matter either way. "If I did kiss my wife in public, what married couple would you go to and say, 'how dare you. You cannot hold hands and you cannot kiss in public therefore you deserve my judgement," Shawnee said. Added Ariel: "If we're experiencing it, then other people are too and that's not fair."

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• It's time to unleash on this asshole Restaurant Owner. Drive him out of business.

• [quote]It's time to unleash on this asshole Restaurant Owner. Drive him out of business. This is North Carolina we're talking about. If anything, this stunt will bring in more business.

• not anymore

• Of course it destroyed her life when her father is a total bigot.

• His restaurant is open on the Sabbath [italic]and[/italic] serves shellfish. For shame! On a more serious note, somebody posted at Yelp that he's also gotten complaints for allegedly giving black customers poor service.

  http://www.yelp.com/biz/sting-ray-cafe-new-bern

• I remember pulling into a motel in NC and the desk clerk asked me where we (BF and I) were from. It was late at night and it was just him and an old biddy working the switchboard. "Where ya from?" he asked me. "San Francisco," I replied. He laughed and the biddy snorted. "Well, y'all are in God's country now." I mean, come on! Uneducated people rely on religion and bigotry. In most cases, it's all they got.

• I would have told him ALL country is God's country, even those places the desk clerk doesn't like. Imagine that, and thank the good Goddess Isis for that.

• He gets a few points for not denying it

• This is a typical North Carolina resident. I don't think many people have even been there.

• He was stupid enough to do it, it figures he would be too stupid to even think he did anything wrong. Hence, no denial. I'm not giving him credit for being stupid.

• These old people are all going to die off soon enough, and in the meantime they have very little influence left. They should have smiled very warmly and said "We appreciate your concern for us", and just left, never to return. If it was a chain like Chickenshit Fillets, then that is another matter.

• We've got many many many new immigrants to take up the slack when these people die.

• The owner hands a letter to lesbians and a couple of well-placed punches to gay men.

  Fericito

• I love the reviews on Yelp!!

• Stupid old coot. That's not how you get invited to a threesome that your wife won't do.

• I will never live in any of those hell hole states- ever.

  charlie

• Well, Charlie, I think we will probably get along without you here in Texas.

• R15 has a great point--don't most normal, heterosexual men love lesbians? Isn't a threesome their greatest fantasy? I question supposedly hetero men who condemn lesbians. They seem to be closeted homos themselves, fighting the urges. And I feel very sorry for the wife--any man who behaves this way is a dud in the bedroom and is NO FUCKING FUN.

• They weren't "hot", r18.

• what kind of self loathing gay person would live in North Carolina or Texas?

• How do you know, r19?

• What a perfectly ignorant statement, R20.

• Those Teabagger assholes are all on their way out, thank god. This will be a much better country when they're six feet under.

• They are HOT, r19.

• He seems well intentioned. It's not like he kicked them out.

• hot:

  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/11/arielle-and-shawnee-mcphail-lesbian-couple-anti-gay-letter-restaurant-owner_n_2456093.html

• No letter condemning their obesity and mannish haircuts?

• R8 ves people points for proudly affirming their hateful bigotry and then calling it an act of love. You're a douchebag. Therte's something to be said for a bigot who, at the very least, knows that bigotry is shameful.

• Including Texas! Why would I go to a state by choice where the policy of its gov't and governor is to marginalize and discriminate against me? Now if you are there by circumstance, well, I guess you can find people who will treat you with respect. But choose to live in TX, or KT, or NC or... ? Never.

  charlie

• McPhail? Lol

• Hot? Gross. They look like they'd have dirty feet.

• isn't there a blurb in the bible that states judge not lest ye be judged? why dont these religious asswipes adhere to that? they pick and choose what parts of the bible they are going to follow. and why are they so g-d obsessed with other people's sex life? there's something deviantly wrong with these religious nuts.

• They are hot, and I have noticed that southern women tend to be very pretty. There's usually a weight issue at some point but even then they retain their pretty faces.

• Oh why do people question nature? Stop telling the planet how to run things. It's a safety check set up by nature so the population doesn't explode. A percentage of the population is supposed to be homosexual. People who can't accept that are fighting a losing battle. Guess he doesn't have real hobbies or interests. The church doesn't count. Grow a set and join a real organization as a volunteer and be of service to society. There's so many pressing issues that need tackling.

• [quote]He seems well intentioned. It's not like he kicked them out. How very big of him!

• R32, what new and interesting thoughts you have.

• R34- hypocrite

• Unclutch, r28, and kindly learn to proofread.

• To answer my own question, I think that in the south being "pretty" is highly valued, moreso than on the west coast. On the left coast, fitness and an athletic body is highly prized and the face, not so much. The money spent there is moreso on gyms and the upkeep of a fit body. I'm guessing hair salons and makeup lessons are prominent in the southern states, with an obvious lack of attention to athleticism. The midwest seems to downplay both extremes and settles into a more natural look, although it would lean towards athletic if anything. The east coast is obviously more into clothing and image, with fake faces, hair and a 'moneied' look being popular.

  stylist to the librarians

• I've been to New Bern. It is fearfully redneck. But if you want to retire to a warm place on the water, I can't think of anywhere that gives better value for the money.

• [quote]Why would I go to a state by choice where the policy of its gov't and governor is to marginalize and discriminate against me? Bitch please. This, and especially other comments on this thread, smack of looking down on gay and lesbian residents of these states, who have myriad reasons (and every right) to live exactly where they do. Sorry, but I place the blame on prejudice (which if I recall correctly doesn't seem to stop at particular state lines) not on regions. And if you're aiming your disguist at gays and lesbians in states with retrogade laws, you'd also have to include residents of LA and SF (and until very recently NY) all of which had--or in the case of Cali, still have--no ssm. It only very recently and narrowly passed in NY, and Cali voters passed an anti-gay amendmenment so I'd like it if those posters just take their attitude and shove it up their cunts. PLace the blame on prejudice, not regions, and certainly don't denigrate the gays and lesbians who live in those states. Sorry, but that is some queeny-ass, faggoty bullshit. Imagine if M LK and other civil rights workers had taken that wueeny attitude. Ew, why are you living THERE?!? Stop. Just stop.

• R18 I think more and more men are starting to realize that lesbians really don't want to partake in their fantasy (shocking). It's the bisexuals that they should target.

• There cute and they make a cute couple.

• *their

• R41- I said by choice- get it, by choice. I realize many gay men and lesbians live in these rabid red states by circumstance- employment, family obligation you name it. But by choice, if given a choice? Never.

  charlie

• Many gay and lesbian people live in red states by choice, you ditzy queen. Get your head out of your ghettoized ass and you'd see that. Choose exactly what you like for yourself, but the way you and others are expressing yourselves is denigrating to other gay and lesbian people, not to prejudice. IMHO you're not interested in confronting prejudice, you're interested in acting queenily superior to other regions. It's the type of unmitigated flaming faggotry I absolutely DESPISE.

• Don't think we don't appreciate the favor, Charlie.

• I love R41!

• Very nice r46! You realize you are emphasizing the obvious, yet stooping to the name calling that is typical of homophobes?

• And if you only visit or live in states with no anti-gay laws and where no homophobic thing has happened ever, that would leave you with no place to visit or live. Sick of it. Aim your anger at prejudice and bigoted people, not at regions. It's simplistic, queeny, denigrating and deconstructive imho. And moreover, we're still waiting for your big California boycott btw.

• [quote] stooping to the name calling that is typical of homophobes? Perhaps. But I'm calling out stupid queeny attitudes among gays for what they are. I am NOT trying to arbitrarily denigrate an entire group or deprive them of civil equality, which is quite different. From one queen to another: Sorry for the names. This pisses the shit out of me, and I trust my points still stand regardless.

• I know it's wrong but in the case of those two particular lesbians? They prolly deserved it.

• [quote]I've been to New Bern. It is fearfully redneck. But if you want to retire to a warm place on the water, I can't think of anywhere that gives better value for the money. For this very reason, it is slowly being filled with transplants from the DC area, so it is getting more liberal. I was joking about their hotness, and hadn't seen their photo, so I stand corrected - not that it mattered anyway.

  r19

• Why, r52, because they are women and DL hates women?

• r6 must be an ElderGay. Motels haven't had biddies on cord switchboards at the front desk since the early 70s.

  Ernestine

• I don't live in Texas. I live in Austin.

• Notice how there is ALWAYS drama when dy lesbians are involved.

• Nice editing-out of the word "dyke" there, R57.

• Do I know you, R56.

• New Bern. North Carolina show in the link, where yokels from New Bern go to visit Bern, Switzerland and are amazed by everything they see.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DSHNh04_oKJk

• Unlikely, R59.

• [quote]I will never live in any of those hell hole states- ever. Says the biggest self-absorbed jackass in DL history. We all know you come from money, mingle in rarefied social circles and live the high life in Manhattan, since you never miss a chance to tell us about it, Charlie. You might want to consider that not everyone was born with a silver spoon and connections. Some of us have little choice in where we live and aren't lucky enough to have been born like you.

• R39 pegged it. Weather and climate has a definite impact. R60, it isn't fair to compare anywhere with Switzerland!

• [quote]He seems well intentioned. It's not like he kicked them out. No, he just took their money and waited til they were leaving to humiliate, insult and degrade them. On what fucking planet is this "well intentioned", R25? Of course trolldar reveals you to be a rather unoriginal troll throughout this thread, but I can't believe this comment wasn't challenged more.

• We're on a bridge, Charlie!

• bigotry is never "well intentioned"

• I would have whipped out a pen, claimed "Oh dear" just like our grammar troll here and admonish this hick by grading his "paper". Circling all of the mistakes, crossing out misspelled words and finally a big fat F right on the top!

• Sorry. Exclaimed? Grammar troll, can you correct my post please?

• Actually New Bern looks kind of pretty.

  http://www.google.com/search%3Fclient%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den%26q%3Dnew+bern%26oe%3DUTF-8%26um%3D1%26ie%3DUTF-8%26hl%3Den%26tbm%3Disch%26source%3Dog%26sa%3DN%26tab%3Dwi%26ei%3DD4PwUNr4GJKI9gSWtoCABw%26biw%3D1436%26bih%3D721%26sei%3DEYPwUOLlAZSW8gSruYF4

• "It's the type of unmitigated flaming faggotry I absolutely DESPISE." Oh I think we have a homohobic gay person here... By choice, by choice. If you live in TX by choice, family, work, etc, OK- out of love for Rick Perry and his wonderful policies? I've been to TX many many times and while I have certainly met nice people etc, not any city or community would make me want to live there- given the policies of the state gov't which are appalling. I know I am overstating, but why would you want to live in a community where you get treated like crap in a local restaurant, where you may get killed if you go to an abortion clinic and where bias crimes are willfully ignored and where your children will be "educated" on creationism? You know I grew up summers on Nantucket (that will make the poster who slammed me because he thinks I come from an affluent background, and "rarified" social circles in NYC even more upset). I go to Nantucket at this stage of my life out of circumstance- not choice. My family owns property there- I have to take care of it while my parents are still alive (they no longer can because they are very frail). But as soon as both my parents are deceased my siblings and I will sell our property, and I for one, probably will never return. Why? Because Nantucket is full of Republicans- and yes they are antisemetic and homophobic- not all, but too many. And that party in 2013 is just about the most backward political party I have experience in my lifetime. So you could say I would never have a home on Nantucket by choice- and when I no longer do, I'll keep my childhood memories and leave the plutocrats to their enclaves. To those of you who are happy in North Carolina, and TX, more power to you. Not for me- not AZ either. OK, flame away. I'm safe and sound in my NYC bubble of tolerance and progressive politics and glad of it.

  charlie

• Outside of Philly, Pennsylvania is pretty bad too.

• Charlie, lets go to Candy Mountain!

• In North Carolina, Asheville is very gay-friendly, as is the Research Triangle (Chapel Hill, Durham & Raleigh).

  Tarheel

• R31 = pri$$ pot alert!!!

• I was surprised to hear this happened in New Bern. New Bern is nice. The eastern part of the state is home to a lot of northern retirees. My folks (from Long Island) lived in Washington (not far away) and it was lovely. But I only visited.

• Austin is Texas, honey. Or at least it's what Texas should be - multicultural, liberal cowboy heaven.

  Texan

• please, r71. Bucks County is probably the highest concentration of gays in any county in PA.

• [quote] Oh I think we have a homohobic gay person here... Don't be so sure, R70. Quite a few pretenders today, on other threads, who think claiming to be gay will add credibilty to their posts. Caught one on trolldar also claiming to be a straight woman.

• charlie. you grew up in new england, did you not? the cape? boston? so stfu you overly-privileged sex addict.

• Safe in NYC? I suggest you don't stand too close to the subway tracks.

• DL's favorite he-man author, Nicholas Sparks, lives in the Trent Woods subdivision.

• [quote]In North Carolina, Asheville is very gay-friendly, as is the Research Triangle (Chapel Hill, Durham & Raleigh). A colleague of mine who works remotely lives in Asheville and loves it. She's a self-proclaimed lesbian separatist who makes Nan Michiganwomyn look like Phyllis Schlafly.

• [quote], not any city or community would make me want to live there Nobody is dying to have you there. Please stay out. They don't need MORE stupid people in red states, that's for sure. This isn't some argument to convince you to move. It's pointing out your stupid attitudes about other gay people who don't live in the gay ghetto, Not everybody does or wants to. [quote]why would you want to live in a community where you get treated like crap I suppose someone from the Netherlands might ask someone who lives in San Francisco--where there are bias crimes and homophobic attacks and there is an anti-gay amendment to the constitution--the exact same thing. And the rest of your post is unrecognizable to most progressive people who live in red states. It all must look very odd from up your ass in your little NY bubble. I guess as a New Yorker you're dodging bullets every moment when you're not pushing people onto the subway tracks or cavorting down Wall Street with your stolen millions? You really need to get your head out of your ass and see gay people in their wide diversity and understand that we are everywhere. We want--and have every right--to live in all sorts of places. Not everyone wants to live in your precious, ghettoized gay existence, and it's ludicrous, easy queenery to look down your nose at them. Absolutely disgusting of you. [quote]My family owns property there The fact that you feel the need to mention this when it's SO unwarranted in this discussion in any way says the rest of what I need to know about you. You're a thoroughly revolting person. Be gone.

• And yeah I realize there are communities within even rabid red states that are gay friendly...

  charlie

• R79, NYC and Nabtucket MA

  charlie

• Not many charlie. A few.

  Hillsborough%20Hetty

• R27= the DL equivalent of te Phelps family.

• Christ people, get off Charlie's junk and focus on the story. If you want to bash Charlie, make a thread on it. Focus!

• Of course charlie can't recognize a troll post. Because he's the king of trolls. How I wish the paino bar were open earlier in the day so that charlie were too busy singing the score of "South Pacific" to post here. Upper class snobby twit with a penchant for thinking he's the smartest girl in the secretarial pool, when he's really just a malignant tumor that won't respond to chemotherapy.

• You haters have issues.

• It's a fucking note for God's sake. The man is entitled to his opinion. It's not like a hate crime. Get over it.

• r91 YOU are the one who needs to get over it. It's incredibly offensive. It's the work of an addled brain. It should be publicized if only to shine light on it to watch the roaches scurry away.

• Who cares R78? If you're not going to have hobbies at least tidy up your area a bit. There's so much more you could be doing.

• Honestly, I can't believe I'm saying this, but I see charlie's point. Regardless of how jealous of or annoyed people are about him, it seems a pretty basic point: If you are fortunate enough to have a choice, why would you not consider how GLBT friendly a place is before you decide to live there? It reads like some of you are responding more to the poster than the position.

• [quote] If you are fortunate enough to have a choice, why would you not consider how GLBT friendly a place is before you decide to live there? Because if everyone flees an area, you're basically handing it over to bigots. On a wider scale you're just leaving certain states to be taken in by right wing bigotry and voting republican forever. And you're also depriving whole areas of some sense of community or some role models for kids and teenagers growing up gay who don't have a choice about where they live.

• Some of the Yelp reviews are hilarious! My favorites so far: "I didn't want to order shellfish, because the Bible strictly forbids eating any of that, but the whole entire menu is filled with Satan's Crustaceans!" "Come for the crab cakes! Stay for the intolerance and poor spelling!" "Cunt."

  Crabs%20Cake

• ferchristsake people! You stick your finger down your throat and start thrashing around on the floor of the restaurant screaming you've been poisoned!! Try to get some on the owner's shoes,if possible. It'll cost the restaurant more for cleaning than what the meal cost after they made sure you'd paid with your filthy gay dollars. Carry your upchucking on out into the street the more thrashing and retching the better.

• Good idea, r97!

  Spoon%20in%20pocket

• To be fair, the owner DID deliver the message as passively-aggressively as possible. A method with which lesbians are quite familiar...

  maybe%20he%27s%20into%20lesbian%20drama

• There is no "fair" in what the asshole did. Period.

• [quote]I will never live in any of those hell hole states- ever. Didn't Charlie grow up in a state that had sodomy laws on the books? Didn't Charlie grow up in a state that didn't have marriage equality for gays for many, many decades of his life? Didn't Charlie grow up in an area where gay bars were raided by police on a regular basis? Maybe he's getting senile and can't remember what it was like.

• r41, Martin Luther King? Really? When gay people in Texas start forcing legal change by protest then you can compare yourself to Dr. King. And for the record, for all of the civil rights protests, the South had to be integrated by force, from the North. And while you dismiss the civil rights advances on other states, for gay people New York and California were transformed by people moving to those states to shift the political balance and make change.

• A whole gaggle of gays should go in there and hand him a note... Jesus loves you, but everyone else thinks you're an asshole.

• They have a delish buffet served on Sundays all you can eat $3.69 I always double up on the fried hush puppies and sneak a napkin full in my jacket

• I'm guessing that bread pudding isn't on the menu.

• [bold]Christ is the Cure for Your Being Gay[/bold] You're gay. We get it. But it doesn't have to be. Just accept Jesus Christ into your life. He will cure you of being gay. If you accept Jesus Christ, go to church, accept indoctrination, we will help rid you of this gay thing you need to get over and you will realize, that all along, Jesus Christ has been your lord and savior. He is [italic]our[/italic] lord and savior. Believe. That's all you had to do.

• Is r106 for real? If so, you're a moron!

• Jesus doesn't give a fuck if someone is gay. Period.

• Um r102, I'm not comparing myself to MLK. I'm comparing queeny snits who look down their nose at gays who live in red states to civil rights workers who took a broader, more intelligent view. Hint: you come up short, It really shows how shallow and retarded you're being, so it's understandable why you'd want to shift the focus in such a specious way. In short: We're very fortunate that those in the civil rights movement, North and South, were much smarter than you. And implying that the civil rights movement had nothing to do with the protests in the South (but happened due to the well-meaning North) is ahistorical, revolting and EXTREMELY problematic. Read "Eyes on the Prize" or any book, really, and then get back to me. [quote]And for the record, for all of the civil rights protests, the South had to be integrated by force, from the North. The South had to be integrated, not by the North, but by the federal government, (as did schools in Boston and elsewhere, for the record). I despise discrimination. I don't participate in your queeny regional snobbery. It's a bore. And, um, assuming what an INDIVIDUAL thinks based on arbitrary things like the color of their skin, their religion, where they live is, well, you know, PREJUDICE. And change is not happening in NY and being resisted in Texas because gay people in NY are so wonderful at protesting, and Texas gays are so clumsy . That's just retarded. I guess Uganda gays are REALLY inept, huh? And just because you're unaware of the organization happening in red states doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Your queenery is quite transparent to me. Your interest is not in stigmatizing prejudice, You want to stigmatize gays who don't live where you think they should. It's queeny snobbery. Weak. I've explained this enough times. Either get it or please die.

• Here cunts have at her

  http://www.thestingraycafenewbern.com/

• [quote]Because if everyone flees an area, you're basically handing it over to bigots. True. And what if people in the civil rights movement had just stuck their queeny little noses in the air and said "Ew, why don't they just move?! Why would anyone live THERE?!?" People live in all sorts of places for all sorts of reasons. There were black millionaires in the south at the time of the civil rights movement who had every opportunity to leave but didn't and SHOULDN'T have if they didn't want to. That was their home and they had every right to be there, every right to love it even. You're just acting out some faggy snobbery. I wish there were a nicer way to put it, and you can accuse me of using homophobic language if you like but you know I speak the truth.

• And before we hit the loop button again... No one is trying to convince you to move. Red states have enough stupid people as it is. Stay where you are, thanks. The point is not to try to convince you to move but to show your idiotic, shallow, easy snobbery for what it is.

• As a gay man I find lesbianism appalling too. Just not for the same reason as these religiou nuts.

• Why would they pay to eat clams when they have their own?

• They look pretty and normal. Glad some lesbians like this is in the news, even if they are complaining. Frankly the guy deserves to get called out. I have noticed when I've traveled to the coastal areas of NC (I'm from the triangle) I have met some ignorant people. I've met tons of wonderful people there too, but it just stood out compared to the rest of NC. Too bad, because it's a beautiful, affordable place to vacation.

• I wonder how being a lesbian supposed "ruined" his daughter's life? He phrases it like it made her join a lesbian gang and got killed in the crossfire (stray bread pudding?). But my suspicion is it means she's alive and well, just not talking to her dumbass father.

• R112, I was with you for awhile, but your obnoxious name calling makes you nothing more than an illiterate, faggoty cunt. See what I did there? NOW SHUT THE FUCK UP.

• Just how did they know it was a lesbian couple? A lot of women go out to lunch together. Did they just make a lucky guess or something?

  Anonymous

• R118, apparently he caught them kissing after they exited. They say they just held hands. Either way, the fact that they did it after they left (outside the restaurant) makes it worse, he may have suspected from the way they interacted in the restaurant they were gay, and followed them out. Creepy.

• [quote] P.S. my daughter also was gay. It destroy her life and my grandson. Judging from his arrogance, I truly believe HE destroyed his own daughter's life and his grandson's.

• [quote]See what I did there? Yeah. Someone pissed you off enough that you started calling some names, r117. Meh. It happens. Sometimes it's justified, other times it's not. In the case of gays looking down their noses at other gay and lesbian people for arbitrary reasons of facile, regional snobbery, I think it's justified...or if not justifiable, at least understandable. If the names bother you so much, start by not using them yourself. I'll try to do the same. You're probably right, thx.

• [quote] I think we will probably get along without you here in Texas. I think there's no question we feel the same way about states like TX given the opportunity, though I wouldn't describe it as "getting along," but more like cured of a cancerous brain tumor.

  Blue%20States

• Damn

• With a $3.99 All-You-Can-Eat Buffet you'd think he'd be quite accustomed to seeing herds of lesbians trundling through his restaurant on a daily basis.

• r95, I'm not talking about it as a political statement, but a lifestyle choice. Charlie seems to be taking it to an extreme political position (as is his right). Every GLBT person is different; what they've been through, how they came out, where they are in their lives. Some of the replies here indicated which areas are gay-friendly prove the point: obviously they've had to think about it. When an area is that anti-tolerance in general, it just makes sense that some people would decide that they can't or don't want to face the kind of discrimination described in the article. As to the role model issue, I think the internet has changed the outlook for queer teens a lot. I'm certainly not looking down at any minority who decides to live there, but that doesn't mean I'm not curious about the reasons.

• What he needs to be handed is a good swift kick in the sack.

• R113, buys into gay and lesbian stereotypes HE must be a flaming fa g

• True fact, but no Southerner will believe it. In 1963, Yankees were 2.6 times more likely to support integration than Southerners.

• And yet, r128, there were STILL Southerners who supported equality and Northerners who didn't. If you were interested in stigmatizing prejudice, and not just in perpetuating regional snobbery, you'd know that. A pic from the noble North:

  http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gk7fX5caubA/Ta26Vk-0niI/AAAAAAAAAAw/nXTFKYtuS74/s1600/boston+busing+crisis.jpg

• Nobody argued that all Southerners were evil R129, so that's a straw man.

• Er, hardly a strawman if you say "no Southerner will believe it.." Most Southerners are quite aware of the nation's racist past, and the region's role in it. Judging from the comments on this thread--protests in the South had nothing to do with the civil rights movement? it was all well-meaning whites from the North who fought the battles of the civil rights movement?--one might reasonably wonder if they know MORE. I've certainly never heard progressive Southerners try to exculpate their history or doff racism off on another region, as if that;s the only place racism resides, and "progressive" Northerners make it a habit without thought. Revolting.

  http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4narr3.html

• Yeah i know R101, but it ain't like that now Blanch! There is choice. And in 1975 I started a gay student union at my college in the Northeast that is flour flourishing today. Do tell me about it! By the way- no coincidence why most Fortune 500 companies are not headquartered in the South. They like to maximize human potential by not excluding large part of the talent pool. This too R101 is a phenomenon of the last 20 years. States like NC and TX hurt themselves with their regressive politics.

  charlie

• Oh, dipshit, charlie. Fortune 500 companies are quite happy to exploit workers in slavelike conditions in third world shitholes with political climates that make the reign of Saddam Hussein look like a boyscout campfire singalong. If a lot of corporations are in regions outside the south, it has to do with the historic patterns of urbanization and industrialization in our country, not corporate bosses' love of equality and their desire for everyone to join hands and sing kumbaya. Holy shit, you're a ditz.

• [quote]a phenomenon of the last 20 years And sun-belt states like NC and TX have actually seen enormous growth over the past 20 years btw, so your argument doesn't even make sense.

• charlie, in this thread you are losing.

• More?

• What's the best thing about North Carolina? The road out of it!

  God, collecting His hat, coat and cat

• How can we spread the word about this? Vacation time is approaching, and this business owner needs to experience the negative economic repercussions his blatant bigotry deserves.

• At least he said "gay." in SC, he would have said "sinners."

• Now see, she should have refused their business, if that's the way she felt...they don't have public accomodations laws in North Carolina, so there wasn't a legal problem.

• The owner is male.