- They would be billed together, but Meryl's name would be raised slightly higher than Daniel's, who would come before hers - left to right.
- I don't care. I'm so tired of the "DDL method" bullshit. Would only answer to Mr. President on the set, stayed in character for months, etc. Any 'good' actor could do that. A great actor has the ability to work whenever it's required and be personable and respectful when the cameras are off. I know DDL will win another Oscar, but he certainly isn't anywhere near the caliber of Ms. Streep. Fuck him.
- You mean how they did it on Laverne and Shirley?
- DDL because he's a guy.
- What does Julia Roberts have to do with "Shakespeare in Love"?
- [quote] DDL because he's a guy.
That is DDL way of thinking, which is why he turned down a 'Julia Roberts' film.
He doesn't accept second billing to anyone.
- R3 Which is similar to Ted Danson/Shelley Long on "Cheers" and the current incarnation of "2.5 Men" with Kutcher and Cryer.
- [quote] What does Julia Roberts have to do with "Shakespeare in Love"?
She was actually suppose to star in Shakespeare in Love, back in 1990s.
She had a fling with DDL, while they met to discuss the film. However DDL didn't want to put his career on the line to be involved in a 'Julia Roberts' movie and bowed out.
Julia and Jason Patric had a huge blow-out in front of Jasmine Guy's house
Jason screamed "I know you fucked him"
To which Julia replied "I can fuck anyone I want!"
Later Jason had an affair with DDL ex Isabelle Hubert, so they both could commiserate with being cheated on by Julia and DDL
- They had a huge problem with this for the film OUTRSGEOUS FORTUNE. Neither Shelley Long nor Bette Midler would agree to second billing.
That set must have been a nightmare. Those were two of the most ego-driven, insecure women in Hollywood, at the height of their careers.
These days, of course, Long is thankful to accept "Special Guest Star" billing... when she can even get it!
- Daniel would get top billing
Meryl is a very accomplished actress but I do not get the sense that she has a huge over inflated ego. She comes across as very humble if not a bit loopy in all of the interviews I have seen.
I would suspect that Meryl would gladly give Daniel top billing to keep everyone happy and the opportunity to work with him.
Meryl has accomplished so much, I doubt she would let her pride get in the way of her craft. She truly is an actor first and a multi-award wining celebrity second.
- I think Meryl is more of a top.
Where's the Meryl Loon?
- [quote]in front of Jasmine Guy's house
I'm so grateful you included that detail.
- I'm waiting for Streep Troll to weigh in.
- [quote] in front of Jasmine Guy's house
That was a DL legend being in front of Jasmine Guy's house.
- R1 is right.
- [quote] They would be billed together, but Meryl's name would be raised slightly higher than Daniel's, who would come before hers - left to right.
How would they handle the end credits. Somebody's name has to go first?
- They'd both be billed below Anne Hathaway, even if she isn't in the movie.
- Has Meryl ever been a dick over billing?
Streep Troll, make yourself useful!
- In DEATH BECOMES HER, Meryl was billed THIRD!!!! I bet they didn't tell her that when they got her to sign the contract!
- Meryl desperately wanted to play Miss Keaton in Remains of the Day. I think she would have even accepted second billing to Anthony Hopkins.
But alas Emma Thompson was white hot back then and got the part and not Meryl.
Meryl was pretty pissed and fired her agents as a result.
- I voted for Meryl because she's an actual box office star and DDL has never opened a movie on his own name. However, people are probably correct that Meryl would take second billing if his highness insisted on taking top billing. What an ass.
- Hopkins would've been first billed in RotD no matter what.
WHERE ARE YOU???????
- I am sure that Meryl wouldn't give a flying fuck about top billing if she were surrounded by professionals and had a decent script to work from.
That is why I voted for Daniel Day Lewis in the poll.
- Billing should read:
Click Click Click
Click Click Click CLICK
(Insert title of major motion picture)
- What if Justin Bieber were in the same movie?
- I can guarantee you that Meryl would be more than happy to have Daniel Day Lewis on top of her.
- Sally Field should have had top billing for Lincoln!
- This is a weird coincidence. I was going to start a similar thread about who would get top billing if Meryl Streep and Shane Klingensmith did a movie together.
- Is that the rubber face? You know, Sophie Julia Thatcher Kramer something?
She can go first.
- Coming soon to theaters everywhere:
"Death Becomes Him"
- Trick question. Daniel Day-Lewis does movies directed by people like Scorsese, Spielberg and P.T. Anderson.
Streep prefers to work with people like David Frankel, Phyllida Lloyd and Nancy Meyers.
You'll see Quentin Tarantino and Spike Lee team up on a buddy comedy before Streep and Day-Lewis agree on project.
- [quote]Meryl... comes across as very humble if not a bit loopy in all of the interviews I have seen.
It's called acting, dear.
- Meryl first. Daniel Day Lewis doesn't have that type of acclaim nor power. He would give his left nut to work with the best actress alive. She looks good on a resume.
- I think it depends on whether Adam Sandler is in the film.
- [quote]Meryl... comes across as very humble if not a bit loopy in all of the interviews I have seen.
She is the sweetest woman you could ever meet. I know people who went up to her who were fans. One wanted a photo with her, and Meryl wouldn't leave them until she saw the photo to make sure they both were in frame together. I honestly think the woman would have taken the photo with her own camera if my friend's wasn't working, and would mail the shot to her.
I saw a very young girl (a fan) go up to her and burst into tears. Meryl took her aside, bent down and calmed her down. This was a year ago. It was at a film premiere. After the film there was an after party. The girl was there, and Meryl went up to her. They spoke for more than a half hour. She gives off a warm motherly vibe.
Meryl knows how talented she is. She doesn't give a shit. Remember, this is a woman who has done films that were beneath her. "She-Devil" anyone? Even a film like "Death Becomes Her" was risky. She was already an Oscar-winner. She likes what she likes.
Her BFF for 30 years is Tracey Ullman. Nuff said.
- I highly doubt Daniel Day Lewis is worried about what will look good on his "resume."
- Meryl has taken billing below other stars, at least male ones, when their parts were more significant. So it would prob. depend on whose role was most significant.
However, it really bugged the shit out of me when Meryl and Leo each got higher billing than Diane Keaton in Marvin's Room. Keaton was the star.
- Well, you all summoned me, and HERE I AM!
Several posters have already given the right answer: Meryl has box office clout, and can open a film. DDL can't, unless it's a Spielberg film, and let's be honest, not even the Spielberg name opened 'Lincoln'. Abraham Lincoln himself opened that film.
Meryl Streep would be billed FIRST, Daniel Day-Lewis second. Even DDL knows Meryl is in a different league entirely, both for talent AND iconic status within the industry, and the world at large.
He would know his place. This being said, I don't think he would do a film with her. I don't dislike him, and I agree he is very talented; but I get the feeling he is a bit territorial. Insecure. He treated Adjani like shit, and generally seems to have an odd relationship with women. He seems indifferent to strong or talented women. Has he ever done an interesting film with a strong woman role opposite his? His female costars were Cameron Diaz, Winona Ryder, Madeleine Stowe. And he agreed to do 'Nine'... that tells you all you need to know.
Secondly, as for the billing thing, let's not forget: Goldie Hawn is a close friend of Meryl's. The reason Meryl agreed to third billing in 'Death Becomes Her' may well have to do with that.
She is not close friends with DDL, though.
As for Meryl being difficult: has only happened twice, with 'Remains of the Day' and during production of 'It's Complicated', where she had the cinematographer fired.
Finally, r39: Streep was as much the star of that film as Diane Keaton. As for overall fame, she's long eclipsed Keaton, so I don't know what you're talking about.
In any case, aren't we all looking forward to MERYL STREEP handing DDL his third Oscar in a few weeks' time? Yes, we are!
History in the making, with Meryl front and center, as it should be. ALWAYS.
- [quote] I highly doubt Daniel Day Lewis is worried about what will look good on his "resume."
Then why did he turn down Shakespeare in Love opposite Julia Roberts?
- Because r41 Julia Roberts can't act AND it was 15 years ago. A lot has happened for him since then.
- It doesn't matter who gets top billing. First billing and second billing are exactly the same. No difference.
- [quote]In DEATH BECOMES HER, Meryl was billed THIRD!!!! I bet they didn't tell her that when they got her to sign the contract!
That's not true. Streep was billed first, from left to right. You could argue that second billing was between Hawn and Willis. Hawn's name was on the same level as Streep's, but Willis was betwixt them albeit on a lower level.
- I'm pretty sure M was billed first on the movie POSTER, but last during the actual opening credits...but I could be wrong. Their way of making things "equitable" between M and Goldie.
- I think Day Lewis would be billed first. In Hollywood, much like real life, "it's a man's world." (with no disrespect to the Street troll, whose "entrance" is the best thing so far about this thread!)
I am reminded of an amusing anecdote in Garson Kanin's (who?? yes, I'm old) book "Tracy and Hepburn." Can't remember the anecdote word for word but something like, Kanin chided his friend Spencer Tracy about the billing for "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner", asking why Tracy was billed first before his close personal friend Katherine Hepburn. When asked, Tracy stared blankly. Kanin repeated the question, saying, "well, she's a woman: "'Ladies first'", right?
And Tracy said (something like) "this is a movie, chowderhead. Not a lifeboat."
Hee-hee! I've always remembered that quote. Of course, a lot has come out since that book?(70s?) about Tracy, hasn't it?)
Would appreciate if any other oldsters remember more of this anecdote/opinions, TIA.
- R2, what is your problem? Why do you care how he works, or Streep for that matter? More important, what do you really know. Free floating anger?
- They are the two best actors of the last 30 years and will have 3 Oscars apiece. They are both professions and generous.
They don't give a shit. Why would you?
- I love the "they wouldn't give a shit" troll !
It's the same kind of troll who insisted Meryl 'gives no shit about winning', last year. Turns out she DID give a shit, hon.
She NEVER wanted Viola to win.
Your 'peace out' attitude is very misplaced.
Meryl is the Hillary Clinton to DDL's Obama, in terms of seniority.
Why is it always assumed women 'don't really want it'... they are 'cool with taking the back seat'?
Meryl has got 17 nominations under her belt, DDL has 5. Meryl has been a box office juggernaut, DDL has not.
Why ever should she agree to second billing?
And r46, you are wrong: it's a man's world, but not a monolithic obe. It's a world that pats itself on the back by making rare allowances for uniquely powerful women. Meryl is not Jessica Lange. She is the reigning Queen of Hollywood, with a very unusual trajectory, and she can demand first billing any time she wants - and expect implementation.
- Meryl Streep, in her Protestant way, is stuck on words; she flashes clever accents as a mask for her deeper failures. (And she cannot deliver a Jewish line; she destroyed Nora Ephron’s snappy dialogue in Hearburn.) Streep’s work doesn’t travel. Try dubbing her for movie houses in India: there’d be nothing left, just that bony, earnest horse face moving its lips. Imagine, on the other hand, lesser technicians like Hedy Lammarr, Rita Hayworth, Lana Turner: these women have an international and universal appeal, crossing the centuries. They would have been beautiful in Egypt, Greece, Rome, medieval Burgundy, or eighteenth-century Paris. Susan Hayward played Bathsheba. Try to picture Streep in a Bible epic! Streep is incapable of playing the great legendary or mythological roles. She has no elemental power, no smouldering sensuality.
- I agree that Meryl is all cerebral. She's like a cloying character actor, the scientist's idea of what art should be. All technique, no mystery, not art, no magic.
- Meryl would because she's older. Seniority rules.
- Why did she have the cinematographer fired? Shouldn't that have been the director's call?
- Nice try, r50.
Is that why she is revered in France & Germany, where they dub actors?
She's a living legend across the globe, has been for decades now.
And she was sensual in Out of Africa, Death Becomes Her, and French Lieutenant's Woman, each time displaying a different type of sensuality.
She really can do it all. Needless to say, freakshows such as you cannot handle a woman being this capable, respected, and powerful.
But what else is new.
- r53, because she has got some clout.
She's not the first superstar who's had a cinematographer fired. He was not compatible with what they/she had in mind, so he was let go.
- Bless you, Meryl Loon. :)
- [quote]And she was sensual in Out of Africa, Death Becomes Her, and French Lieutenant's Woman, each time displaying a different type of sensuality.
Is that you Meryl? Only you could talk about there being 'different' types of sensuality. Spoken like a truly artless technician.
- I loathe Meryl Streep. She was good in Silkwood, but she began to take herself very seriously. I'm reacting to the horrendous overpraise she has received. She is a calculated actress, a victim of her own WASP culture. I find her totally unconvincing. She has no passion. She has no deep elemental vibration.
- Speak for yourself, r58.
- Streep troll R59! Sign your posts!
- Their names appear simultaneously, above the title. Day-Lewis is listed first, alphabetically. This neatly side-steps his refusal to be second-billed, without insulting Streep.
- [quote] They don't give a shit. Why would you?
Actually DDL does give a shit.
He turned down Shakespeare in Love because he refused to be billed second to Julia Roberts.
He doesn't take any role where he doesn't receive top billing.
- R61 then what about the end credits.
Someone has to go first
The credits on imdb are taken directly from the end credits on films.
- Isn't it interesting how effusive Meryl is in this article about what soundfs like the one and only DP on the film, John Toil. Who was fired?
- The Streep troll what do you know about went down with Meryl on Remains of the Day
She wound up firing her agents over that film, and she had a falling out with Mike Nichols (who produced the film)
BTW Meryl got top billing on Death Becomes Her
Whoever said she got third billing is wrong. Goldie was billed third, not Meryl.
- R52: In a "civilian" (real world) union shop, mainly. In Hollywood: not so much. Meryl Streep would probably be the first to tell you that roles dry up for women over 45, much less 50, much less 60. She's very lucky - and of course, very good.
Jobs for writers dry up in Hollywood when the writers, even men, get older. There may have been a threatened suit about this.
Jobs behind the scenes dry up, too; I used to be friends with a woman who at 43 was starting to see location manager, etc., jobs start drying up.
Sad but true. I do admit that Meryl Streep is famous and a great actress. Perhaps such a hypothetical billing situation as OP posited will depend if Day Lewis wins another Oscar.
- Day Lewis followed by Streep in the end credits. It's alphabetical. You do remember your ABCs, R63?
Yes, someone must go first. That when you resort to alphabetical listing. It's how ensemble casts are usually rendered, another example where multiple actors are considered equal.
- R67 if they go the alphabetical route, then the entire cast has to be listed in alphabetical order.
Can you name a movie where the two main stars where listed in alphabetical order?
- r66, those rules don't apply to Meryl. Because she is - Meryl. No woman has gone where she is going. And this 'man's world' KNOWS it, promotes it, and wants it that way. THEY TOO are in awe of her, and want to be a part of her story. Don't forget that.
r65: they chose Emma Thompson for the role,even though Streep wanted it. Thompson, of course, was white-hot at the time.
It was one of the very few times Meryl made a stink.
As for the DP of 'It's Complicated': I don't remember the details. It was a Brit, and he was let go very early during the production.
- Streep Troll we already know that. Do you know why, even with Mike Nichols producing, Meryl lost the part in Remains of the Day?
How long did the falling out last?
- There's a big difference between being billed second to Julia Roberts as opposed to Meryl Streep.
And no, I'm not a troll or a Meryl loon. I never even saw "The Help".
- Again, r70: Thompson was the hot new commodity in Hollywood, and was seen as a better fit, her being English and all.
Don't know how long their falling-out lasted, but obviously she worked with him again for 'Angels in America'. Co-starring Emma Thompson, btw.
- [quote]I'm pretty sure M was billed first on the movie POSTER, but last during the actual opening credits...but I could be wrong. Their way of making things "equitable" between M and Goldie.
OMG, you're right.
- R73 that list is based on 'Order of Appearance'
Goldie and Bruce had the first scenes in the movie, Meryl was featured about 10 minutes late.
- The first shot is Meryl's face in the discarded Playbill outside the theater and then her performance in Songbird! They cut to Goldie and Bruce's reactions later.
- Not true, R74. Did you watch the clip? Streep was first. After the "Broadway 1978" intro with the camera zooming onto a discarded Playbill of SONGBIRD, then we get a close-up of Streep in the production, as she begins singing "I See Me." Not until well into the song does the camera pan into the audience and we see Hawn and Willis.
- Why are people saying DDL won't ever take second billing? He received second billing after Leo for Gangs of New York.
- Where is the 'Who gives a fuck about these two giant egos and who goes on top' selection?
- Well, who is getting top billing in the film of August: Osage County? Meryl or Julia?
- [quote]Well, who is getting top billing in the film of August: Osage County? Meryl or Julia?
Isn't that what entertainment attorneys spend their careers fighting about?
- Thompson got the part in Remains because she was better suited to it. Thompson can give the same performance over and over, and recycle the same mannerisms, but if there was one time she was ideally, perfectly cast, that was it.
Streep wouldn't have been good at all. Really dodged a bullet there. We would have been treated to her usual showboating and accent-flaunting instead of the emotional depth and resonance the part needed. Never in a million years could she have played the scene where Thompson tries to pry the book out of Hopkins' hands as well as Thompson.
- This thread is a strange one.
Day Lewis didn't do the Julia Roberts movie because while she might be a diverting one night stand, she's a shitty actress. He's weird but he's no fool when it comes to his work.
Despite Streep's disappointment, Thompson was probably a better choice than for RotD. That in no way implies that Streep would have fucked it up - which she never does and would not have then.
Taste differs, people may like Streep's work or not but I think it's bullshit to attack her as a "bad" actress. She's a remarkably good actress.
First billing in the imaginary Streep/Day Lewis flick goes to Streep. She's a Hollywood star and Hollywood (for good or ill) rules the movie business. If Day Lewis didn't want to settle for second, he would then be free to fuck off back to his cobbler's bench. I like the man's work but in terms of *power* which is what the billing fights are always about - Streep wins.
- Quit invoking The Streep Troll! I'd suggest we move to discussing Bette Midler but a few bitter queens always drag it down with "cunt cunt cunt" almost immediately.
Someone else, please! A Dianne Wiest thread? A "what really happened with Mia Farrow/Dory Previn" discussion, or even "if Butterfly McQueen was alive now, what TV show would she be great in?"
STOP THE STREEP DISCUSSIONS NOW!
- [quote]Daniel Day Lewis does not accept second billing for any movie.
I'm pretty sure he accepted it for "Gangs of New York" because Leonardo DiCaprio is a much bigger name and you'll notice that Leo rarely accepts second billing for any movie. Check any movie Leo did post-Titanic, and unless it was in a supporting role, his name comes first.
- Leo was billed third for Django, wasn't he? Golden boy's slipping.
- [quote][R67] if they go the alphabetical route, then the entire cast has to be listed in alphabetical order.
- GANGS OF NEW YORK poster
Note that DiCaprio comes before Day-Lewis.
- This is such an inane thread. People wasting precious minutes of life arguing about who is credited where and what it must mean. My god, has datalounge come to THIS?!!!
- R85, isn't Leo a supporting player in that movie? I think the OP's question refers to what happens when you have two LEAD parts in a movie and who comes first a in a situation like that.
- Whose shit should I eat first Meryl's or DDL's?
- Thank you, r82.
- I have nothing but respect for an actor who refused to work with Julia Roberts in "Shakespeare in Love". She would have been terrible in the part, she can't do accents or historical roles, and even then she would have been unbelievable as a youthful virgin.
And if the producers insisted on giving Roberts top billing, that might be a sign than it was due to become a Julia Roberts Vehicle - and therefore a disaster. Since he's willing to accept second billing when appropriate, I think we should give him a pass for this one. If he'd played nice, "SOL" would have been a disaster.
- [quote] Meryl is the Hillary Clinton to DDL's Obama, in terms of seniority.
Hmmm, strange comparison if you're trying to elevate Streep over Day Lewis. Hillary Clinton works FOR Barack Obama, who kicked her ass in the 2008 primaries.
- I would rather see Meryl Streep work with Robert Downey, Jr. or Emma Stone. Do you know what Meryl's next project is, Streep troll?
- who cares? really should have been an option.
- [quote]Hillary Clinton works FOR Barack Obama, who kicked her ass in the 2008 primaries.
He edged her out by a small margin actually, but let's not rehash that again.
- Re: who gives a fuck, 'the narcissism of small differences' at such prominent levels is amusing.
Seem to recall reading about such niceties concerning big movies in the Seventies: McQueen and Newman, Newman and Redford, Redford and Hoffman.
Days, weeks, spent in negotiating credit placement. Like it was the difference between winning gold or silver.
- Streep Troll
Would Meryl have been better than Emma Thompson in Remains of the Day?
This might be one role where someone else would have been better at a part than Saint Meryl!
- "Gangs of New York" of an exception. That was DDL first film after a five year absence.
That is probably the first and last time he would ever take second billing. He might take second billing to a man, in certain circumstances, but never to a woman!
Hence DDL being billed BEFORE Cameron Diaz!
- But he had to take second billing to Leo, R99. Leo rarely takes second billing to anyone.
- R99, Orville the taxidermied cat-copter should get billed over Cameron Diaz.
- Meryl Streep, of course
What a question
- When a movie has two more or less equal leads played by two major stars, one has to come first. I'm sure if the right project of this type came along for Day-Lewis and Streep they wouldn't give a shit.
Because they are serious professionals. Among the very best in their industry. They don't sit home and worry about shit like this. Why would they?
- R103, maybe they do and maybe they don't. You don't know whether they do. The OP is right that these arguments do occur in Hollywood though, and there have been some famous examples over the years.
Jamie Foxx demanded that his name come before Colin Farrell's on "Miami Vice" even though they were co-leads and originally Farrell's was going to come first for alphabetical reasons. After Foxx won the Oscar, he said he felt entitled to come first.
And back in the old days Cary Grant reached a point where he would no longer allowed Katharine Hepburn to have first billing in their films together. He started out allowing it, but when he became a bigger star, he put a stop to it.
- r98, Meryl would have been different but equally good.
Really, there is no need to bash her, and call her 'Saint Meryl' so mockingly. What is wrong with revering a talented woman?
It is her perfect right to go after interesting parts.
In any case, Emma Thompson was exquisite in the film. And Meryl obviously agreed, for she made up with Nichols, and then co-starred with Thompson in his 'Angels of America' - earning raves for her rabbi & Ethel Rosenberg.
- On CDAN, people are guessing Meryl as the A++ actress who has slept with most of her male co-stars.
- Do they realize that Meryl has been married to the same man for the past 35 years, R106?
- I loathe the Streep Troll and I'm not a Meryl fan (which means I've loved many of her performances but not all).
But honestly? Streep would get too billing. DDL would be too much of a gentleman to contest that. She's been a movie star way way longer than he has, and she's an iconic American actor - we don't have many of those, actors who are iconic for the quality of their work. (Britain has many many more).
- R106, that's probably the very reason she has slept with all her costars.
- [quote]She's been a movie star way way longer than he has
Are you kidding? I guess you don't know much about film. DDL has been a big star since the 1980's. Meryl only became a big star in the late 70's and early 80's. She only has a few extra years on him in terms of prominence.
- OP/r8 You're making me more and more confused--first, by saying that Julia Roberts was in "Shakespeare In Love", and now by claiming Isabelle Huppert was DDL's ex (it was Isabelle Adjani). But which Isabelle did Jason Patrick have an affair with?!
- I would like to think they would flip a coin, all things being equal. Of the two, I think DDL is probably more high-maintenance since he works less and is Mr. Method actor. And I too am hoping MS returns to top directors. They tend, however, to build films around a male character, since they are men.
- r110 couldn't be more wrong.
DDL wasn't high-profile until his Oscar win in 1990. And he'd never carried a hit movie until 'The Last of the Mohicans' came out in 1992.
His highly respected supporting turns in the 80s were just that - highly respected. But he was absolutely not a star in those days.
Meryl Streep has a full 12 years of star seniority over DDL. She became a celebrity and icon in 1979.
Consider yourself corrected.
- R113, I agree with you on many things and have defended Meryl on other threads. This isn't about Meryl vs. Daniel. The reality is that DDL has been high-profile since at least 1986 when he was in "The Remains of the Day".
Meanwhile, Meryl was not really on the national radar until "Sophie's Choice" in 1982.
- Total bullshit, r114.
'Kramer vs. Kramer' was a hit movie, and the talk of that year. And Meryl its breakout star.
Fewer people saw 'Sophie's Choice' than 'KvK'.
And secondly: 'The Remains of the Day' is NOT from 1986. Nor was DDL ever in it.
If you mean 'A Room With A View': he was in it, but only had a supporting role. Which did NOT make him a star. Not even 'Unbearable Lightness of Being' made him a household name.
DDL became a household name with his Oscar win in 1990, but not a popular star before 1992.
And he's never been a box office magnet the way Meryl has been with 'Out of Africa', 'Prada' and 'Mamma Mia'. Those three films together eclipse DDL's combined box office. Decisively.
She is the much bigger star.
- Whoops - meant to say "A Room With a View".
I had just been talking about the other movie on another thread.
- r114 Are you fucking with us?
1. "The Remains of the Day" was released in 1993
2. Daniel Day Lewis wasn't in it;
3. Meryl Streep was put on the national radar when she starred in "Holocaust" and "The Deer Hunter" in 1978.
- 'Room with a View' and 'Unberable Lightness' are arthouse films. So is 'My Left Foot'.
Those kind of films don't make you a household name. Never. Not even if they are successful within their parameters.
Without his Oscar, 'My Left Foot' on its own would have changed nothing for DDL.
Only Oscar and 'Mohicans' turned him into a star.
End of story.
- DDL has been an acting icon for those in the know ever since his performances in My Beautiful Laundrette and A Room with a View came out back to back.
- R117, I've already acknowledged I typed the wrong film. Give me a break. I was obviously referring to "A Room With A View". I had been talking about the other film on another thread.
- Yes, r119. But we are not discussing 'those in the know'.
We're discussing the unwashed masses.
Do keep up, or we'll file you under 'unwashed' yourself.
- (R2) So funny, in spite of the ridiculousness. Rebecca miller must be exceptionally tolerant. DDL sounds so self involved. Snore.
- My oh my, Streep troll. It's obvious why so many here think you're a festering cooze.
- Oh, but I've also got my supporters on DL.
Free speech is a drag, is it not?
- R111 I stand corrected. Jason Patric hooked up with Isabelle Adjani.
I got the Isabelle's mixed up.
- Streep Troll when I said 'Saint Meryl' I meant it as a compliment, not a dig.
- Free speech can be a necessary challenge, yes. Your unbridled mental illness, on the other hand...
- (R19) lol!
- [quote]Jason Patric hooked up with Isabelle Adjani.
How so? Is there proof?
- [quote] Jason Patric hooked up with Isabelle Adjani. How so? Is there proof?
From the book Julia her Life
After Julia dumped Jason Patric
Patric almost immediately began an affair with the lovely french actress Isabelle Adjani, who had just come out of a five year relationship with Day-Lewis. She had borne him a son, earlier in the year and complained that Day-Lewis was with Julia when their son was born.
- btw does Daniel Day-Lewis owe Jasmine Guy an apology for being partly responsible for the huge blow-up between Julia and Jason in front of her house?
The gal needs her sleep, she doesn't need to be exposed to that type of arguing.
- When DDL wins his third best actor in a leading role Oscar in February, 60 percent of his nominations will have resulted in a win.
Meryl has won two best actress in a leading role Oscars and one best actress in a supporting role Oscar, and has been nominated 17 times.
DDL is eight years younger than Meryl.
- R132, I'm glad you mentioned that. People forget that Meryl has only won 2 Lead Actress Oscars.
She's got a long way to go before she beats the all-time record of 4 Lead Actress Oscars.
- Izzy should've made Danny put a ring on it before she popped out a kid.
- I would. I'd just pretend to hear the ghost of Daniel's father and the poor weak boy would disintegrate again just like when he did Hamlet. He's a very sensitive boy.
- Daniel: "Age before beauty."
Meryl: "Pearls before swine."
- I love the Towering Inferno poster - Steve McQueen is first, Paul Newman is second but higher, William Holden is third but lower than Steve McQueen and Faye Dunaway is fourth but lower than William Holden.
All above title of course.
- r137 it supposedly drove McQueen crazy that Newman ended up with the better role once things where finished.
- Eating shit makes me happier though!
The Streep troll (tm). Eating feces makes me happy!
- [quote] Only Oscar and 'Mohicans' turned him into a star.
Just when I think I have a handle on the Streep Troll's delusions, the bottomless pit of its fuckery reveals itself to be far deeper than I could ever guess, and I am completely surprised.
- If DDL does not accept second billing for any movie, OP has answered his own question.
- But he has, r141.
- R141, did you not see the billing and poster above for "Gangs of New York"? I made that bitch take second billing!
- Leo is correct but could that just be because it was an obvious Leo vehicle?
- Leo was a much bigger star than DDL at that time, and probably still is. Frankly, Cameron Diaz was also a bigger star, but I don't know why Scorcese cast her. Maybe it was pressure from the studio to help recoup the budget.
- Meryl first.
I wouldn't be really interested in seeing a Daniel Day Lewis film. I'm probably the only one who thinks this way too.
- based on last night, Daniel first
- Honestly, who would take top billing over Leo? Streep, DDL, DeNiro, Joaquin Phoenix are actors. Brad Pitt, Tammy, Will Smith, Angelina Jolie, Julia and Clooney are movie stars. Leo is the only star who somehow manages (rightly or wrongly) to be considered both a serious actor and an A-list movie superstar at the same time. He's put in movies to deliver box office as well as gravitas. If he plays lead, he'll get top billing over every single, single, actor on earth. He appeals to and can deliver tweens, teens, fraus, men, oldies, gays, minorities, international … everyone.
- Still laughing at the idea of Di Craprio being considered a serious actor and being hired to deliver "gravitas."
- But you know its true, r149. He's both movie star and actor.
- Not a male, has no box office hits she's responsible for to speak of and winner of two Oscars (along with 2 Emmys, 5 Golden Globes and 1 SAG), Jessica Lange would be top billed even if she weren't in the movie.
Jessica Lange Troll
- Leo and Diane Keaton haggled over second billing on Marvin's Room (Meryl being billed first)
Producers thought Diane would only be to happy to be in a movie!
When the dust settled Leo got second billing and Diane was reduced to third billing.
- [quote]However DDL didn't want to put his career on the line to be involved in a 'Julia Roberts' movie and bowed out.
Then he truly is a genius. She's a fucking hag.
- You're all talking like Remains of the Day was a Nichols picture. It was a Merchant Ivory film that Nichols was a co-producer on. Thompson was already part of the MI team on Howard's End, for which she won the Oscar. Meryl was fresh off She Devil, LOL, it was a different time and I can easily see how it happened. Thompson was absolutely the right choice, she is exceptional in the film. Streep probably just saw another chance for an Oscar win.
- r154, Meryl was fresh off a ten year run unlike any other in Hollywood history. Get some sleep, hon.
The reason why she lost out on the part is because Nichols made Jeremy Irons and Meryl read scenes, and decided they wouldn't have the right chemistry together. Yes, Irons and Streep were pencilled in for those two roles, and Nichols was supposed to direct, not just produce.
I believe he wanted to keep Streep for the part, but later on he abandoned his plans of being the director, and the project went to James Ivory instead, who brought Thompson along.
Thompson had NOT won her Oscar at that point, but Ivory wanted her anyway.
And the rest is history.
- Could someone please shit in my mouth?
The Streep troll (tm)
- We could do the Hugh and Deb story!!!
- This is a bit off topic but amusing. Years ago we were showing "Good Will Hunting" on the airplane. Our inflight announcements used to always list 2 featured actors in the film, it didn't matter if there were 5 major stars, only 2 names were listed. Anyway, the purser announced the movie title featuring Ben Affleck and Matt Damon, not realizing Minnie Driver was on the flight. Well, Miss Driver didn't take it well and began making a scene, "I'm in that movie, too!" Most celebs try to be incognito and would be uncomfortable if one of their films was being shown but not Minnie.
- Is Meryl recovering from another subtle facelift? She has been MIA since November. I am not one to gossip, this is merely concern and she does not return my calls.
- Daniel isgracious and would be a gentleman and insist Meryl get top billing. He would then get "compensated" financially for his chivalrous gesture.
- didn't M attend her gay son-in-law's nude opening on Bway?
- I don't remember reading that M was there.
- Talking about Julia she took second billing BEHIND Meryl.
That has never happened, her second female billing to another female.