- Patty Duke 3 time Emmy and Oscar winning actress.
Angela Lansbury 3 time Oscar Loser and 18 time Emmy Loser.
- Has it really come to this Datalounge?
- R1, listing awards doesn't answer the question at hand.
Why do you think winning awards is the only measure of success anyway?
But if you are going to list awards, why did you leave out Angela's 5 Tony Awards and 6 Golden Globe Awards (one of which was for 'The Manchurian Candidate' in which she beat Patty Duke?)
OP
- It's just this one insane Angela Lansbury troll. She was foaming at the mouth on the Oscars Live Feed thread because she said that Lansbury deserved the Best Supporting Actress back in the day for "The Manchurian Candidate" instead of Patty Duke (who won it for "The Miracle Worker").
No one would agree with her assertion that Duke's performance will be entirely forgotten in years to come, and so she went completely nuts and started this poll.
- R4, yes, I like Angela Lansbury, but you are being a bit of a drama queen with the rest of your post. As I explained above, many people think Angela Lansbury should have won the Oscar for "The Manchurian Candidate" (did you know she beat Patty Duke for the Golden Globe?)
But that's only a small part of the story. The point is that outside of DL and certain film buff circles, most people are more familiar with Lansbury than Duke and that Lansbury has had a far longer and broader career.
OP
- LOL r2
One is a five time Tony winning actress and three time Oscar nominee with one of the most successful TV series of all time, who radiates talent and that little something extra....let's call her a STAR.
The other is Patty Duke.
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- Lansbury, by a slim margin. Both are only known now for their TV work, and since Angela's is more recent, she wins by a hair.
- [quote] The other is Patty Duke.
Who has three Emmys and an Oscar on her shelf.
The other is a 3 time Oscar loser and 18 time Emmy loser.
- [quote]The other is a 3 time Oscar loser and 18 time Emmy loser.
1. Awards are largely irrelevant to this question.
2. If you want to make awards a part of the discussion, why do you keep leaving out Lansbury's 5 Tony Awards and 6 Golden Globe Awards?
OP
- You guys are just repeating the same posts over and over. Often word for word. What is the point?
- [quote] It's just this one insane Angela Lansbury troll.
Who lost her shit when no one agreed with her.
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- You cannot have it both ways.
On the one hand extolling the virtues of Angie's 5 Tonys
Then on the other hand say Awards are largely irrelevant when it is pointed out that she is a 3 time Oscar loser and 18 time Emmy loser.
Pick one consistent narrative and stick with it!
- OP, if you're going to ask us to consider Dame Angela's Golden Globe awards, perhaps you should also ask us to consider her People's Choice Awards too.
- [quote] You guys are just repeating the same posts over and over. Often word for word.
You have just summarized all there is to summarize about Datalounge.
- Well if you had asked, "Which one starred in the best instructional self-pleasuring video for elderly women?" there could be only one answer.
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- [quote] Dame Angela
Actually Angie is not and never will be a Dame because she gave up her British citizenship.
Angie said one role she would have killed for was Notes on a Scandal.
- "It's a bit like... prancing!"
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- R12, I am being consistent. I was saying that if the pro-Patty Duke supporter wants to keep listing awards, then Angela's full awards bio should be listed, too.
But the point is that it didn't matter that Angela Lansbury didn't win the Oscar for 'The Manchurian Candidate' because she went on to have a very long and successful career without it and has largely eclipsed Patty Duke in the eyes of the public and film history.
Angela Lansbury kind of made this point herself when she was interviewed on Larry King in 2004 - she said in some ways it was just as well she didn't win the Oscar and become too identified with only playing villains. That is why she ended up turning down the role of Nurse Ratched in "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest". She didn't want to be associated with playing only those type of roles.
She made the right decision and in the 1980's and 90's had one of the top-rated shows on t.v. Then she went on to sing the Oscar-winning song for "Beauty and the Beast" and recently won another Tony Award.
OP
- If she is more famous OP why did she lose the screen version of Mame to Lucy?
- Clearly you all haven't seen Angela's latest:
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- Btw, I will now step back from commenting on this thread for a while and allow others to evaluate the various arguments.
Thank-you to those who have participated in the poll. : )
OP
- Angela Landsbury is Susan Lucci! WTF?
- This thread is pretty ridiculous, even by meager DL standards.
- [quote]That is why she ended up turning down the role of Nurse Ratched in "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest".
Uh, that was a HUGE miscalculation.
- [quote]Lansbury has had a far longer and broader career.
Of course she's had a longer career. She is 21 years older than Patty Duke.
- I'm grateful for the existence of this silly thread, R23, because it removes a massive hijack from the Oscars thread.
Thank you, everyone who has posted here!
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- How would MAME have played if PATTY DUKE had gotten the lead instead of LUCY?
- Did Patty ever appear on MSW? I think not.
- Did Angela ever appear on The Patty Duke Show?
I think not.
- Some may say MSW was a haunting ground for has beens.
- My 7 ye old nephews know Angela Lansbury from "Bedknobs & Broomsticks" on dvd and as "Mrs Potts" in Beauty & the Beast"
Patty Duke? One that is was the name of some dog in a cartoon (Marmaduke?)..the other started laughing because I said `potty`
Says a lot about lasting future fame.
- [quote]Patty Duke? One that is was the name of some dog in a cartoon (Marmaduke?)..the other started laughing because I said `potty`
[quote]Says a lot about lasting future fame.
Says even more about drinking heavily while typing.
What sort of example are you setting for your children?
- At least my nephews aren`t fans of a crazy washed up has been like Potty Duke. They know who Angela Lansbury is and watch her quite often
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- My 5 year old niece knows who Barney is but doesn't have a clue who Meryl Streep is ....
- Angela's 18 years on Murder She Wrote and five Tony Awards give her the edge. Patty hasn't done anything that kept her in people's living rooms once a week in decades.
- R34, your niece is a stupid little cunt.
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- DL has hit bottom. OP, they must need to keep you busier in the Macy's ribbon department.
- Wonderful question.
Tune in next week when OP asks:
Pia Zadora vs. Lola Falana?
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Lola Falana, of course, but I will wait for the post..
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- R35, I daresay that what Ms. Duke did in people's living rooms in the 60's as television's iconic cousins Patty & Cathy has endeared her to worldwide audiences far more than Ms. Lansbury's entire more-than-respectable oeuvre. Not to mention that Ms. Duke is considered by her peers to be a real "actor's actor" having also been elected the president of SAG. Her Oscar for The Miracle Worker is considered the finest performance by a teenaged actress ever committed to film and her three Emmy wins, especially My Sweet Charlie, are considered benchmark work in the television medium. Not to mention her turn as Neely O'Hara in Valley of the Dolls making her especially beloved by the gay community. She deserves another shot at film stardom (the Streep August:Osage casting being an especially bitter pill to swallow). Ms. Duke seemed poised for a movie comeback a few years ago with a featured role in Prelude to a Kiss and there was some buzz about a Supporting Actress nomination, but the film performed poorly and she reigned for years as the queen of TV movies. I only hope that some prescient fim producer gives her another opportunity.
- This is such a strange post/poll and I can't believe I am taking part in it, but, oh dear, here I am ...
Angela Lansbury ensured her place in the mainstream media with Murder, She Wrote. It's shown all over the world. There's a parody-aspect to it now that ensures its longevity.
- Lansbury is definitely better known.
THE MIRACLE WORKER is fondly remembered, but that's basically her whole legacy. Lansbury is a legendary Broadway star, had a long-running hit TV show with MURDER SHE WROTE, and has been in several fondly remembered and popular movies: THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE, GASLIGHT, BEAUTY & THE BEAST.
Lansbury's legacy is a lot of different things, Duke's legacy is one single film.
- Duke in MySweet Charlie is just as good as Angie in MC. Duke has done great things on Tv.
- Doesn't matter that Duke has done great things on TV. Lansbury was in people's homes once a week for nearly two decades. She's better known.
Patty, on the other hand, has the most fuckable son (MacKenzie).
- Thanks to all who have participated in the poll.
I have just taken a look at the current results and they show a pretty clear lead for one of the ladies. ; )
OP
- It was a stupid poll, OP. It had nothing to do with your two points on the Oscars Live feed thread, which were (a) that Angela Lansbury deserved the Best Supporting Actress over Patty Duke, who won it, and that (b) THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE would be remembered longer than THE MIRACLE WORKER.
No one agreed with you regarding those two points. So you made up a third question that had nothing to do with them so you could now pretend to yourself you won those other two debates.
- R46, I think you are overreacting and reading too much into it. And a lot of people agreed with me on those two points, anyway. The Manchurian Candidate is better-remembered than The Miracle Worker. For one thing, it has already been re-made because it was so popular. On top of that the phrase 'Manchurian Candidate' has become part of popular culture and political lore.
The issue of who deserved to win is more subjective, and I never said everyone agrees one way or another. But there are many people who think Lansbury should have won, and since she beat Duke at the Golden Globes, those voters obviously thought she was better too!
If you prefer Patty Duke there is nothing wrong with that - so much of these things are subjective and come down to personal preferences. But this poll showed what I said all along - Lansbury is far better known and has had a much greater impact on the world of entertainment.
OP
- Being famous or well known means nothing. Paris Hilton is famous. The quality of work that matters...
- "And a lot of people agreed with me on those two points, anyway."
No, that's not true. Look back at the thread.
- R49, I'm talking about in general - not just on that thread. There are discussions that have taken place outside that thread, you know. We've had them here on DL in the past, and you can find them all over the Internet, too.
OP
- [quote]There are discussions that have taken place outside that thread, you know. We've had them here on DL in the past,
Anegla Lansbury vs. Patty Duke? I think not.
[quote] and you can find them all over the Internet, too.
Cop-out!
I call shenanigans.
- R51, why would you think I would make that up?
Below please find a link to a discussion held here on this topic from September 2012:
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OP
- r50, I'm afraid your pants are indeed ablaze.
I've been on DL for more than ten years, and there has never to my knowledge been a Patty Duke vs. Angela Lansbury debate before. I would have remembered it had there been, given how bizarre the comparison is (as others on this thread have commented).
- And here is a blog discussing the Angela Lansbury vs. Patty Duke contest for the Oscar, with the blog arguing in Ms. Lansbury's favor as the most deserving winner:
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OP
- R53, I just posted it above. I assume you posted at the same time as I did and haven't seen it yet?
So I told the truth. : )
OP
- Angela : "Tale as old as time..."
Patty: " Wa-wa."
- more like... A hot dog makes her lodr control
- [quote]The Manchurian Candidate is better-remembered than The Miracle Worker. For one thing, it has already been re-made because it was so popular.
"The Miracle Worker" has been remade at least twice that I can recall.
- Patty Duke had her 15 minutes in 1962.
Angela Lansbury has been a star from 1942 up until today.
End of story.
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- Thanks, Streep Troll. That's a good summation. : )
I don't want to take personal shots at Patty Duke, but I am surprised that some people didn't know that there have been previous threads & discussions on this subject (as I backed up above with links.)
OP
- Oh, geezus. Streep Troll and Lansbury Troll are flattering each other.
IT PUTS THE LOTION ON ITSELF!
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- The thing is, most supporting actress winners are forgotten after a few years, unless they are big names like Meryl Streep or Jessica Lange.
And from that same time period... who remembers Miyoshi Umeki, Jo Van Fleet, Shirley Jones, or Lila Kedrova?
Nobody will remember Octavia Spencer or Jennifer Connelly in 50 years from now.
Patty Duke is no exception to that rule. The film may me remembered to some extent, because it is about Helen Keller. Keller is a name - Patty Duke is not.
Angela Lansbury was a massive television star, and truly FAMOUS. She will remain famous, as long as there are re-runs of her show.
Duke doesn't stand a chance against her.
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- [quote]The Manchurian Candidate is better-remembered than The Miracle Worker. For one thing, it has already been re-made because it was so popular. On top of that the phrase 'Manchurian Candidate' has become part of popular culture and political lore.
You have no idea what you are talking about. "The Manchurian Candidate" is all but forgotten today. The remake was a flop, despite starring Denzel Washington & Meryl Streep. "The Miracle Worker" is considered a classic and has two Academy Award winning performances and is in regular rotation on Turner Classic Movies.
And please don't use Angela as a Broadway star either. She has won Tonys for the simple fact that she is Angela Lansbury and has endured and not for her craft. She lost the leads in the films of her two most successful shows "Mame" and "Sweeney Todd".
- [quote]Patty Duke is no exception to that rule. The film may me remembered to some extent, because it is about Helen Keller. Keller is a name - Patty Duke is not.
Angela Lansbury was a massive television star, and truly FAMOUS. She will remain famous, as long as there are re-runs of her show.
"The Patty Duke Show" is rerun all the world too and is available on DVD. The theme song is in the TV Theme Song lexicon. Patty Duke is also a Best Selling author and mental health advocate. They have both had fabulous careers and both should be appreciated.
- r64 totally agree, these are two different woman and I don't really understand the need to compare them.
OP get over it, Patty Duke won the Oscar she deserved it and the acting community agreed.
As far as the "The Manchurian Candidate" vs "The Miracle Worker", OP you have to be out of the loop all Junior High Schools in the USA show "The Miracle Worker" in their English classes.
R40 I agree Patty should have been given the role in "August: Osage County" and hopefully one day she will be given that role that adults and teenagers and even young nieces and nephews will know who Patty Duke is :-)
- Now OP if you want to do a Sally Field vs Patty Duke poll that would be comparing apple to apples, not apples to oranges, like your Angela vs. Patty poll
- R63 & R65, you are mistaken, as the above poll demonstrates and as other websites demonstrate. Lansbury is much better-known than Duke. Don't take it personally. Lansbury has just had a much longer and more lasting impact on film and television than Duke. That happens sometimes.
Lansbury easily won this poll, and you should respect the verdict of the voters.
OP
- OP But the bottom line is that Patty Duke has the Oscar that Angela Lansbury wanted.....and as I said the academy members voted for Patty and NOT Angela....
- R68, so what? Oscars aren't everything. Lansbury has had the more successful career on the whole and will be better-remembered. And both ladies have gotten over their rivalry and moved on - you seem to be the one who is having trouble letting it go.
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- no OP I think that everyone reading and posting on this thread think that it is YOU who wont get over the fact that Patty won.
And at no time was there a rivalry that I remembered between the two women. But it is funny that Angela never had Patty on her show????
- I would LOVE to eat Patty's shit. Think of all the meds in it!
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- R70, the poll is nearly 90% in favor of Angela. It's Duke fans that are having trouble accepting it.
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- Funny OP you ONLY address the parts of post that you want to comment on when there are other parts of the post you ignore......
- Come to think of it, I already eat Meryl's shit!
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- This is ridicules. The only thing Ms. Lansbury and Ms. Duke have in common is that they were up for the same award 50 years ago. Otherwise they are completely different.
