I've never been to the U.S. and was wondering what it's like in the U.S. and what you guys think of us. And if there is really a difference culture-wise.
They don't. Say you're a Canadian and it's the same as saying you're from "not far away". It's not at all interesting to them.
I love Canada. It's more like Europe. You have the same gun ownership per capita and almost no violent crime to speak of. The streets are clean, the people are polite and intelligent. I feel like America is more like a Third World country when compared to Canada.
OP if you're Canadian you're really opening up a can of worms here. Why would you do that unless you're a glutton for punishment? This IS Data Lounge after all. Don't expect many serious responses.
Canadians are kind of like us except they're nicer and they live in an arctic climate.
American school children are taught that Canadians are superior pan-dimensional beings, descended directly from angels.
But they are also taught not to mention this to Canadians because they are also smug and it will go to their heads.
I don't think about them too often.
Funny, I heard that Canadians are downright rude.
Canadians are a nice mix of polite and no bullshit. I like them. I lived in Canada as a youngster and my siblings and I enjoyed an excellent public education -- far superior to what was on offer in our hometown, although I realize the reasons for that are complicated.
Canadians are far warmer and polite when you initially meet them. They will look you in the eye on the street.
However, they're a bit more introverted and/or self-protective in getting to know them. It's harder to go past that initial stage of politeness.
I've traveled to Canada several times (Vancouver, Toronto and Quebec) and I think Canadians are nicer and more polite than Americans. I don't have to worry about getting jumped when I'm walking alone down the street late at night, and overall it's a nice atmosphere to be in.
[quote]What do Americans think of Canadians?
Most don't think of them at all, which used to piss off the Cs until maybe 2001 or so.
Montreal Jazz Fest. I'd like to go at some point.
No opinion. I like to judge the individual and not the whole population.
Me too R14.
I used to think they were smarter, wiser and polite. Last I heard they elected some damn right winger into office...so I take all that back.
Canadians are generally just sexier than stupid Americans, less hangups and more real ness, which Americans, gay or straight, just can't handle.
R16, you don't know fuck about shit.
I have a funny feeling that OP is not really Canadian. No Canadian would ever ask Americans on DL if there is really a cultural difference.
That being said, as a Canadian/Italian I would like to say simply that Americans are more open and sometimes crudely so. Canadians are more polite, in general, but indeed more guarded.
I enjoy the American spirit of entitlement and that all around must adapt. Americans are kind of like the cops, they approach every environment as if it is their very own kitchen. They inhabit space and are comfortable even when those around are not. It's cute once you get used to it.
Horrible tippers and demanding tourists with lots of crazy ideas, but I like you guys. My partner, who is from Trinidad is appalled for the most part by Americans, but I try teach him how it goes. We both work in the arts and in America a fair amount, but could never live there, for the uh, um, cultural reasons.
Americans are much better on home turf for the most part, but sweet in their awkwardness and are are not condescending when away. They are bred to not be intimidated, yet of course they are outside of familiar ground. Americans live extremely regional existences regardless of world travel or exposure to cultural difference. All politics are local, eh?
There is a lot more to say of course. Chicago is a greater city than Toronto, and Quebec and the Atlantic Provinces of Canada offer things not to be found anywhere else. Our cities are safer and yeah there is the gun control and healthcare thing, and our constitutional legal marriage for all. We are taxed to death and don't put up much a fight.
The cultural differences are quite large, we all get along a bit better up here, regardless of political affiliation and although we are a capitalist society we are not quite so driven by aquisition alone. Canadians can be tediously PC and are a bit too comfortable sometimes.
Naturally as individuals we have passion and talent and are sexy. Ha.
Access to quality education for anyone capable and healthcare for everyone and the changing but still less violent culture are the main differences. We also are a vast country with only 33 million people, so we tolerate and expect regional differences without so much hate. Geography determines a lot of things still......
R19's partner is blond Thomas from "1 Girl 5 Gays"!
That's all very nice R19 but a tad off topic since OP was asking what Americans think of Canadians;)
Canadians. What state are they from again? Baja Minnesota, or somewhere like that?
I lived there for quite a while. Went to university in Quebec. I love Quebec and everyone I met from Quebec. I loved the Newfies too. I especially loved the Newfies. Especially being screeched in.
The rest are insufferable twats. Especially those from Toronto. I'd get a lecture on the superiority of Canadian culture and how they had to fight the influence of American culture. It would invariably end with a sentence like this: "Oh I got to run. Friends is on and I don't want to be late."
They're whole national identity is "we aren't American".
The joke about they don't really does get to the point. Your average American knows very little about Canada, honestly they know more about the UK than they do Canada. It sort of flies under the radar unless you live in the northern border states.
Those of us who are more familiar with Canada do think you guys tend to be polite and good people and live in a country that has a much better healthcare system than we do (as every western country does) and just in general are more progressive in your politics. I've visited Canada several times and always enjoyed it (also noticed there were a lot less obese people).
I've known many Canadians. The only quirks I've noticed:
-Many of them who DO actually say "oot" and "aboot" deny doing so.
-The shy guys are still somehow very sexually forward.
-They generally laugh less often.
-They generally offer better ice cream than the USA.
R24 at least Canadians know it's their not they're!
[quote] You don't know fuck about shit.
I see Fat Rob Ford and his Waddling Wall of Fat has joined us!
Hi, Rob...how's the football team going?
Canada is a scary place! First the Vancouver hockey riots, then the pig farm killer, then the Toronto shootings.
What's next ...crossing the street against the red light?
I've been to Canada several times, but only to larger, more cosmopolitan areas (Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal, Quebec). I found pretty much everyone to be friendly and polite. I don't know how it is in the other parts of the country.
Gee I thought I was being non confrontational.
One girl and five fags is representative of what is more free about Canadian culture and part is what is wrong with gay men everywhere.
My partner and I don't function that way.
I did not go off topic, it was a polite pre-emptive strike. Very Canadian.
Attack me, GO. Sorry for being overly earnest, I know how it brings out the bitches in some who claim to be men.
Canadians are painfully repressed, and painfully decent
[quote]I don't think about them too often.
And they HATE this about you! Trust me. Canadians' favorite sport is America bashing. Just do a little googling. You'll see what I mean. They've bitched about us for ages, and they still are even though our respective political landscapes have reversed.
I was on a tour a couple of years ago and a woman asked a particularly good question and I told her so. I said, "Excellent question." She turned around and said, "That's because I'm a Canadian."
However, they are way cute. Kinda like Mormons. And just as vague.
I like to bait Canadians. I tell them Canadians should be thankful they sit atop us like a lamprey eel on the Great White Shark that is America. After all, they deserve to be bashed back every once in a while, smug bastards. (Except for the cute ones!)
This is who a majority of Torontonians allowed to waddle into holding office.
Stephen Harper plus this fat load. And we get lectured about our politicians? Fuck THAT.
Lake Michigan=America's vagina.
I love Canada and I love Canadians. I don't understand it,but every trip therefeels a little like a homecoming. Even as i type this I am getting emotional. Why should I care so deeply about a country and a people not my own.? I consider myself to be a deeply patriotic Ameerican, but there is a piece of my heart that is all Canadian.
I find that many Canadians have a chip on their shoulder when it comes to being compared to Americans. The rural ones don't seem to give the U.S. much thought though.
Americans, in general, do not seem to think much of Canada at all. Just another foreign country.
If you go to Puerto Vallarta, they are the fat ones who holler when they cannonball into the pool. They get VERY drunk and obnoxious.
It's the only other country I'd consider living in.
We don't think about Canadians much.
Canadians wear "tooks" and say "eh" a lot and they love hockey and make good beer. They're very polite.
Oh, and they eat gravy on their fries and the name of that national dish reminds me of a slang word for a vagina.
Québécois are hung, hairy bottoms.
I for one, found the gay men in Canada woefully unattractive, especially in Vancouver. The majority of the hot men were hetero. I was also surprised by the amount of homeless in Vancouver as well. I ran into several obnoxiously drunk Canucks who were rude to me and others on the street - they behaved like many people accuse drunk Americans of behaving. I actually liked Halifax - the coastline is lovely and the people were far more friendly there. I was surprised.
Overall though, Canada lacks a truly definitive identity.
You are correct that many Canadians have a "chip" on their shoulder regarding being compared to Americans. Are you so stupid about geography and history to not know why?
Hell no, we do not have much of your heinous past, we have our own. Read my post at r19. Most Canadians look for ways to find common ground with Americans (with some amusement) as we share so fucking much of it.
Canadians travel outside of our country much more than Americans do and who but an obnoxious american, most of whom are not, would refer to their closest neighbour and ally as "just another foreign country."
You do your country a dishonour sir.
They seem to be nice and polite generally speaking. And they order "Caesars" inflight which is a Bloody Mary made with Clamato juice. (Which we don't have onboard)
They act getting a bit uppity now that their "loonie" is worth more than the US dollar.
I don't know much about Canadians, except that bludgeoning baby seals to death with baseball bats is a national pastime.
I love the way you guys say "Oot" and "aboot" and "bean" for "been" and "aGAYnst" for "against".
[quote]Canada - it's like America, but without the guns.
Canada has MORE guns per capita than the US. They just don't shoot each other.
I love Canada and Canadians but I find this thread to be ridiculous, full of the same "Canada nice" myth people have of Mormons.
For one thing, their education system is not better than the Americans'. In fact, it is pretty miserable, and they share the ignorance of most Americans, although they are less assertive about being anti-intellectual. I knew one guy had seven years of French in a standard Canadian school and couldn't speak a word. They had a standardized curriculum on the French model, and it has not served them particularly well. Of course, the USA has benefited from all the military money which has gone to universities, giving them a stronger scientific basis than they would otherwise have. I also don't find the Canadians especially nice or decent. That they are ahead of the USA on social issues like health care, gay rights, and drugs appears to me to be more accidental than directed by serious social forces. That they have a stronger economy and a more viable middle class also seems to be something of an accident, namely that they have not been taken over by a fascist conspiracy like we have. But at the same time they haven't lifted a finger to protect themselves from fascist conpiracy. In the 1980s of course, they were behind us on gay rights etc., and their economy was dominated by rich plutocrats. They didn't really get rid of them, they just managed to capture so much American investment that the role of the plutocrats was necessarily reduced.
You need to remember one difference: every full moon all 300 million of us Americans morph into fire-breathing werewolves and we sacrifice Canadians in Satanic rituals. And eat them, because you guys are so delicious. So you'll want to be careful of that.
Also, down here we only have gravity 12 hours a day, so half the time you'll need to stay indoors and float around the ceiling. I was once caught outside when the gravity shut off and I had to grab onto a tree to keep from floating into space.
I have wondered why so many of the American boys attempted to eat me, and now I know.
The lack of gravity is a problem south of the border, but some of us have heavy soccer/lacrosse/hockey butts and legs that keep me a bit out of the trees. I can get you down from a tree but the ceiling is sometimes a nice place to be. If you promise, I will come.
In NYC and Chicago they always seem to be on their knees around me - must be the reverse gravity fall back.
I would save you regardless. We don't have as many guns here but I am all for satanic rituals. Wiccan, not Christian. Let's not argue, the devil is in the details.
Come to Montreal, we will figure it out. Float.
I hope we can all just get along.....
I'm from Seattle and feel more at home in Vancouver than I do in most American cities. I know we're also regarded as being polite but distant so maybe there's more of a cultural similarity.
As an American I can proudly say I have never attempted to eat a Canadian. Oh sure, I have heard they are delicious, but I refrain. I am not without self-control.
Is South Park correct? Do Canadians have detaching heads that bounce up and down? And square tires on your cars? Just wondering.
Canada's 2 big cities, Toronto and Vancouver, are have become generic international cities, where everyone speaks a different language and there is no real culture (read non Corporate). Culture in Toronto today is a global franchise.
I think a lot of impressions on this thread are of a Canada from a past era.
[quote] almost no violent crime to speak of
It's not that there's no violent crime "to speak of", but it's so rare that when it does happen, it's a huge topic in the forefront of everyone's minds.
The same applies to Canadian soldiers killed in Afghanistan: a single soldier's death leads the news and is a huge story for days. Americans have gotten so used to hearing not a peep about the thousands of soldiers killed that we rarely even think about it anymore.
Aboriginal and First Nations issues always seem to have a place on the front burner of public discourse in Canada as well, frequently leading the news. Here in the States I never, ever think of Native Americans unless reminded of their existence in works of fiction.
Having worked retail in a sunshine state catering to snow birds in the winter I can say it is hard to distinguish a Canadian snow bird from another snow bird from the northern part of the US. If they happen to be French speaking Canadians they can be rude and dismissive.
Do Americans know about the Idle No More movement? It's sort of the Native "Occupy" movement in Canada and currently quite a big deal in the news.
One of my brothers is married to a girl from Canada, Toronto area I think. She seems just like an American to me but drinks a shit load of beer. No wine for her at dinner, it's beer. Other than that she's like everyone else. She's a fanatical Dallas Cowboys fan oddly enough. Other than her family I've never met Canadians or thought about them that much but I'm way down South too.
I had some English friends who went to Calgary for a year to work and they came back and said they didn't like it and preferred Americans. They said the Canadians were not that friendly compared to Americans especially Texans. Maybe it was just Calgary though.
The ones who speak French always are friendly to Haitians but not to me.
When will the snowbirds leave?
Lived in Buffalo NY for years. Made many trips across the border. It used to be we'd say "Americans" and we'd be waved across. Really amazing beach with a mile wide sand bar.
Quebec City is unlike any city in the Americas. Castles, GORGEOUS winding streets, naked guys stretching in front of a window... but we took a bus tour with a lovely girl child who kept saying "Ok" when she described the history of battles, as in "We lost this battle to the British, this one to the Americans," I started rooting for the Quebecois, to no avail.
Toronto in winter is a dark Dickensian wonderland. Nice old bookstores.
Buffalo has a lot of Canadian illegals, but they're white so no one mentions it.
They are defensive if Americans don't know Canadian things, like the capitol of Canada (Ottawa) and don't believe Canadian writers get their due. Please, the greatest living poet on earth is Margaret Atwood. Every year she doesn't get the Nobel is a travesty!
Toronto is the easiest way (shhh!) to get into Havana.
They really are perfectly wonderful neighbors. Rarely have they shot at Americans in the streets and they have good manners.
[quote]Toronto is the easiest way (shhh!) to get into Havana.
It's fun to see the billboards for Cuban vacation destinations along the highways to Canadian airports. Makes me curious to go.
If Americans truly thought of Canadians, they wouldn't call themselves "Americans."
[quote]Quebec City is unlike any city in the Americas. Castles, GORGEOUS winding streets, naked guys stretching in front of a window... but we took a bus tour with a lovely girl child who kept saying "Ok" when she described the history of battles, as in "We lost this battle to the British, this one to the Americans," I started rooting for the Quebecois, to no avail.
The quebecois are racist scumbags. They hate the Canada and want nothing to do with the English speakers. I say fuck them. Let them separate, but don't let them get any more transfer money. Let them make it on their own. We'll see how long it'll take until they keep crawling back.
I live in Michigan, so we get lots of Canadian transplants living here.
They are identical to Americans, except they seem to have a chip on their shoulder. They constantly try to quiz Americans about Canada, presumably, to try to prove to themselves that Americans are more ignorant than Canadians. When you meet a Canadian, prepare to be quizzed on where the capital is, what the national sport is (hint: it's not hockey!), who the prime minister is, asked to name all of the provinces and territories, asked to sing the national anthem, etc. It gets tiresome.
[quote]Toronto is the easiest way (shhh!) to get into Havana.
Only if you want US immigration officers asking you lots of questions on your return. Mexico is the way to go if you don't want a hassle.
[quote]Canada's 2 big cities, Toronto and Vancouver....
Montreal is the second-largest city, much bigger than Vancouver.
Why do they have Canadian flags sewn on their gear when traveling abroad? I know the usual answer is that they don't want to be mistaken for Americans but they seem to be the only nationality who display their national flag en masse abroad.
Fat, pale, no fashion sense, and they talk funny. I have only visited Vancouver and Winnipeg though.
[quote]Why do they have Canadian flags sewn on their gear when traveling abroad? I know the usual answer is that they don't want to be mistaken for Americans
That's precisely the reason.
[quote]Montreal is the second-largest city, much bigger than Vancouver.
For the purposes of that person's post, they're the two largest cities in English Canada that are rapidly becoming allophone.
[quote] and they talk funny.
Their accents are beautiful. It does amuse me that most Canadians insist they don't pronounce the vowel in "out/about" any differently that Americans, which is patently untrue. The onset vowel of their version of the diphthong is neutral, more of a schwa. Americans use the vowel in "cat" as the onset. Thus it sounds to Americans that Canadians are saying "oot", whereas it's really closer to "boat." But it is different.
[quote]For the purposes of that person's post, they're the two largest cities in English Canada that are rapidly becoming allophone.
Are you his spokesman? You're just conflating his "point" with the cities he named to make them make sense, bitch.
Chicago is not greater than Toronto. Quite the reverse. True, Chicago's suburbs make it a bit larger, but Chicago is not a magnet for talent and ambition the way Toronto is.
"They said the Canadians were not that friendly compared to Americans especially Texans. Maybe it was just Calgary though"
Southern Americans are only friendly if you are white and never, ever tell them you are a homosexual.....else, you will see the truth. Northern Americans can be an almost French level of rude.
If you ever find one of these truly friendly and worldly Americans, chances are you met them living abroad, not at a Walmart store in Tennessee.
American and the term friendly is an oxymoron.
[quote]They are identical to Americans, except they seem to have a chip on their shoulder. They constantly try to quiz Americans about Canada, presumably, to try to prove to themselves that Americans are more ignorant than Canadians. When you meet a Canadian, prepare to be quizzed on where the capital is, what the national sport is (hint: it's not hockey!), who the prime minister is, asked to name all of the provinces and territories, asked to sing the national anthem, etc. It gets tiresome.
If true they sound exhausting. Who the fuck cares except them? I know where every country is on the map but I don't necessarily care enough to know the provinces of each one unless I plan on traveling through. I live in TX and I don't know each county in the state.
Not really true R81. I live in TX and most of us are friendly even to brown people. Unless you are running into rednecks you don't know what you are talking about.
The anti-Obama poll numbers and voting patterns argue otherwise R83.
Thank you for using "Not really", it is the first step to you admitting, Texans have a problem.
B.S. R84. Yes, TX votes mainly republican NOW but the hispanics are growing fast and it will turn blue.
That's like me saying every New Yorker is a loudmouthed asshole. Stereotyping is not good for anyone.
Polite is the first word that comes to mind. They're sort of like our mid-westerners, but with slightly different accents.
French Canadians are a different breed. They're loud and tacky, like a Canadian version of Jersey Shore.
I honestly think most Americans don't even know where Canada is.
R87 this is that true.
Many of us know where Canada is positioned on the globe, and many of us consider Canada our best resource for beautiful white people. There a few left if the US, but they're all quite old
Shut the fuck up R89.
I've met East Indians from Canada and they were incredibly rude and egotistical. Normally Immigrants from India are very nice and easy going in America but wow, you must get a different breed up there in Canada.
They were also much uglier than the ones who settle in the states. Is there some village full of fuglies that only emmigrate to Canada?
Yes, R91. It's a legal covenant.
"Normally Immigrants from India are very nice"
YOU got lucky there. That is most definitely NOT the normal.
I met anti-American hysterics in New Zealand and Australia as a tourist, but I never met any in Canada.
No, I don't like them for being nice or well-educated. I like them for a certain intellectual fearlessness they have.
I think the Canadian poster upthread is the same guy who taught me all about pop stars on another thread! I LUV that guy!
And count me as an American (even worse: An Angelino) who enjoys Canada immensely. Montreal is my favorite North American city.
South Park reveals even more secrets about Canada here.
[quote]Is South Park correct? Do Canadians have detaching heads that bounce up and down? And square tires on your cars? Just wondering.
Hey, fuck you buddy.
There are a few kooks in Canada. I remember us discussing one bitch here on DL (her name escapes me) who was antigay and really ugly about some other things too - either anti Muslim or anti Jewish, and she was VERY nasty.
But Canada's extremists are few and far between.
Lighten the fuck up, R98, you paranoid, corn-cob-up-the-ass piece of sniveling shit. I was just having a little silly, cartoonish, South Park fun with the subject. You're a perfect example of an insecure, chip-on-the-shoulder Canadian who gets his panties in a knot over the silliest, ridiculous mutual jokes between our countries. Thank you for proving previous posters correct about Canadian, humorless paranoid insecurity because our American existence makes the tiny dicks of stupid children like you go limp.
Any Canadian who can't handle South Park's bizarre jokes about the subject, fuck you too, crybaby pussies. Too insecure/immature to realize there's a massive difference between silly, playful goofing off and real animosity.
Canada's current Prime Minister hates gays.
Furthermore, I'll bet a sour, party-pooping man-baby like R98 is the type of Canadian whose tiny dick can only get a hard-on if he's bludgeoning baby seals to death.
PETA freak at R103.........
You know that PETA boycotts AIDS research right?
Behind the times. Pleasant but bland. Intelligent. Jealous of Americans for some reason, so have to make fun of us. Sense of superiority that is unattractive and grating. And what's with vinegar on your French fries, ha ha. Seriously, good solid people but many I've met are very condescending to people from the U.S.
R98, shouldn't that be, "Eh, fuck you buddy"?
I wasn't sure which to go with, but you're probably right, R106.
I've never had anything to do with PETA in my entire life, R104. I think they're fringe-fanatics who actually disgrace the concept of humaneness toward animals. So that tells me exactly how intelligent and perceptive you are, you ignorant punk. Jesus, are Canadians who don't have a sense of silly humor normally this stupid?
Bottom line: if you Canadians are too uptight to make playful, ridiculous, cartoon-like jokes about the subject of our rivalry, then fuck you and fuck the inbred British crown whose cunt you legally still lick and never had the balls to get rid of the way the US and Ireland did. You Commonwealth cowards know it's a fact that you are legally English property, pure and simple.
[quote] As an American I can proudly say I have never attempted to eat a Canadian.
I've sucked off a few dozen delicious Canadian men.
Oh, I miss The Barb Wire and Toolbox in Toronto. *le sigh*
[quote]Bottom line: if you Canadians are too uptight to make playful, ridiculous, cartoon-like jokes about the subject of our rivalry, then fuck you and fuck the inbred British crown whose cunt you legally still lick and never had the balls to get rid of the way the US and Ireland did. You Commonwealth cowards know it's a fact that you are legally English property, pure and simple.
Suck my balls, uncle fucker.
Agree with R2.
I think Americans hate everyone who is not American.
So let me get this right. R100 et al is lecturing someone else about overreacting?
A used to work with a consulting firm out of Toronto and, while most of our communication was via phone and email, we would get together a few times a year for meetings either up there of down here (Dallas). They had great personalities, were easy to get along with and were a lot of fun to be around. Really nice people.
Eh, the French ones are short.
Italian Canadian here with a French speaking boyfriend from Trinidad, living in love in Montreal.
We are not short on much.
Come and visit and don't just ride the rides, take a look around......bien venue.
I want to go to Albuquerque. Should we ?
"I want to go to Albuquerque."
No. Take a left there.
I don't know if Canadians are necessarily nicer, because so many Americans seem naturally, effortlessly friendly. I do believe they can be very reserved and not only in comparison.
I believe Canadians were insecure about living next to America til sometime from the mid seventies. As so many things started to haywire in the States, Canadians discovered a sense they were actually a country that had a lot of good things going on.
I suspect the quiz Americans about Canada nowadays not out of insecurity but more to test just how little the Americans know about Canada. In fairness, I suspect it's about as little as most Americans and Canadians really know about France, Belgium or Italy. No one can escape knowing more about America. It's a massive presence.
I do think the long dominance of the UK had a significant effect on the character of the country. It is plain America is much more affected by how that country was founded... revolution, breaking away, the Constitution, all that. The equivalent to the states' rights concept isn't part of Canadian politics in any significant respect.
Canadians 'country folk' have the capacity to be just as ignorant and intolerant of things that are different from the mainstream as people like that from anywhere else. That said, the country seemed to adapt quite easily to the concept of gay marriage, after the initial fuss.
Canada generally doesn't have the levels of poverty and violence that characterize the States. There is no worship of the gun in the culture although there are plenty of guns around.
Canadians seems to have less respect yet less contempt for their politicians, if that's possible.
I knew a Canadian whose lifelong dream was to live and work in America. He was centre right, politically. In the end, he did not like living in America, though he was living there in the darker years (the last ten to fifteen.) His observation was that Americans, in their bones and DNA, have an outlook that is totally based on individual responsibility: if you can't make it on your own, that's tough, whereas Canada, somehow, has an easier time with the concept of the collective. Sure, Canadians gripe about taxes but for the most part they don't have a problem with paying up and letting government deliver services.
"Talking To Americans': an old comedy routine from a Canadian show...
You don't need my approval R118 but you have it for your insightful overview of our historical and present differences. Mutual appreciation and a clear head. The answer to so many problems.
Bonus points for knowing Rick Mercer, our goofier and more controversial Jon Stewart.
We generally think Canada is well-portrayed by "Wheels Ontario." If you are unfamiliar with Canada and Canadians, this should be your bible.
from R122's link: "Every year in this country 300 kids take their own lives"
That's pretty damn good, only 300 kids a year.
R118 the one thing I disagree with: I think Canadians know a lot more about France, Belgium, etc. than Americans do.
But that's just my opinion.
I think Americans are well known to know surprisingly little about other countries, since, in fact, they can travel within the US, and don't "need" to expand their horizons. The same isn't quite true in Canada.
Some of them end up with careers defending the rich against their victims just like in America. Sigh.
Maybe Canadians know more about Belgium and France, but the Americans I know are pretty knowledgable about Ireland, Poland, Italy, Israel, the Philippines, Mexico, Korea. They're all either from there or their parents or grandparents are from there. Or they live in one of those countries part time. My son goes to school with kid's from Norway, Japan, the UK, Ireland, Bosnia, Russia. It's all relative to where you live and who you are. My best friend is Portuguese. I'm a citizen of Ireland and my son is Asian. My sister is married to. a south African, my cousin is married to an Asian from Denmark. Neighbors on my block are from Germany, the UK, Finland, Guatemala, Brazil.
A lot of children of immigrants couldn't care less about their countries of origin. They don't want to go to Greek school or mandarin classes. They do it to please their parents but they are more interested in their lives here. Others travel back and forth easily and slip from one language or identity to another. Some hate their countries of origin and never want to go there.
For the most part, travel has become so easy that people do it all the time. They don't make a pint of studying up on other countries. And kids chat with other kids from all over the world online.
Maybe it's a coastal thing. Internarional travel is faster from the coasts to countries overseas.
No real identity? People all speaking different languages? Well, America, you are founded on a melting pot mentality -- everyone should assimilate and be like everyone else, whereas we are based on a multi-cultural attitude.
I think most Americans like Canadians a lot generally. What irritates some of us is that y'all's most important trait/value/ideal is that you aren't us.
So true, R129! Last year, someone posted a couple of YouTube clips on Canadian commercials in which they compared/contrasted themselves with the US, no matter the product. Their international identity seems to be that they're not American.
[quote] Their international identity seems to be that they're not American.
That's pretty pathetic. Most Americans are proud to not be living in Mexico, but we wouldn't make a national identity oot of it. It's aboot more than not being someone else, more than my hoose is different from your hoose, eh? The US is all aboot the Benjamins. Canada is all about the loonies.
My favorite Canadian, Gabriel Clark (a.k.a. Gabriel Lenfant):
Canadian identity is much more multi faceted than solely not being American. But that's definitely part of it.
The truth is that we ARE North Americans and share a North American culture and lifestyle, unfortunately for us, we share it with a hugely powerful and populated nation. It's somewhat like Belgian Walloons and France. They speak French and to foreigner the accent is much the same, they live a lifestyle that is similar to the northern French.
[quote] Canadian identity is much more multi faceted than solely not being American.
Yah. You spend your loonies on bags of milk. You can get a smoker's license for medicinal cannabis. You can have poutine danse. Abortion is covered by your national health care. Boys wear blouses. And you national symbol is a leaf from a tree. Ok? You call your drunk Indians "First Nations people." You'd rather bash your head than eat what they call bacon in the states, ok?
[quote] You'd rather bash your head than eat what they call bacon in the states, ok?
Actually we generally eat the same bacon. What you call 'Canadian Bacon' we call 'back bacon' and it's not very common.
I LOVE that man, R132. I'm embarrassed to say that, for the longest time, I thought that Gabriel Clark and Gabriel Lenfant were two different guys. I could put up two images side by side and think to myself, "Wow! They could be twins."
I know: *facepalm*
"Oh my God. I'm back. I'm home. All the time, it was... We finally really did it ... You Maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!"
We are switching to the new platform for The DataLounge this weekend. All of our mobile users have been using it for over a week and all first time users have been using it for about a month - which adds up to well over one million users. So we're ready to end this phase of the testing and move everybody to the new site. (more)
And yes, we've changed the look and some of how it operates.
Yes, we know you just *hate* it in well in advance.
Yes, we know we suck.
Yes, we are the biggest suckers that ever sucked.
But it was time for a change and with the huge shift to mobile it was long overdue. We've taken this opportunity not only to update the look but also make major changes under the hood (or "bonnet" if you're either British or pretentious or both). And we have to prepare for 2016 - a presidential election year where we can normally expect to see a 60% jump in traffic (yes, we've seen 5 presidential elections so far…Christ we're old).
The site has a bunch - nay, plethora - of new features which will make the site more usable: better search, the ability to ignore posters and threads, see link previews, to pick up a thread where you left off, spam and malware filtering and more.
If you want you can go explore and see for yourself, Click here.
And while running the tests we've noticed two interesting reactions to the new system - people are spending more time on the site and more people that come stay around longer and look at more stuff. Both good things. Yay!
Possibly we've not slain all the dragons and there will be issues that come up during the switchover. There's a help button in the lower right hand corner of the page which you can use to send us bug reports.
Please include as much information about the hardware (PC, Mac, Tablet, Phone etc), operating system (Windows, Mac OS, Android, iOS etc) and browser (Chrome, Safari, Opera, Internet Explorer etc) that you are using as possible to help us replicate and fix the problem.
Please note that complaints about colors, fonts, icons and the like are not "bugs" - they are design choices that we've made and we expect one or two cases of world-class bitching. But they won't actually cause headaches, scurvy, heart attacks, Restless Leg Syndrome, Morgellon's Disease or the vapors (but have your smelling salts at hand just in case).
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