She didn't seem that deranged, actually. I was expecting tales of coke-fueled partying and insane fights with Dina. She just seems kind of sad, lost, and tired.
Lots of interesting stuff in there. Implied that she's doing drugs between different scenes, but overall a very sympathetic portrait. The hanging out with Gaga is new.
She may not seem deranged but she has 0 concept of professionalism and maturity. She is a hopeless case and completely delusional. You can't even call her a liar, she is delusional.
Most former child stars say they would never let a child of theirs go into show business as a child because it robs you of any semblance of a normal childhood.
Hard to imagine she could get insured on a conventional film.
This was by far a very interesting article and did Lohan no favors. She is lucky that she still can get employment, of course after this article that may dry up completely.
She's a self-entitled chronic thief and drunk driver.
I'm wondering if she is of Irish Traveler heritage.
She's certainly more intriguing and glamorous (despite her facial fillers and hair adventures) than her contemporaries such as Hilary Duff, Megan Fox and Raven Symone.
isn't she Irish & Italian? Love the way she busts on the porn star Deen about being very unprofessional and disrespectful to the director...pot meet kettle.
Schrader knew what he was getting into...and the scene where he took off all his clothes to get her to do the nude scene shows he's not quite playing with a full deck either. Kind of made me feel sorry for Mary Beth Hurt, but I guess she's the one who's stayed married to him for this long.
Lohan definitely has something to her that holds our attention. She has a gift. She used to use it as an effective actress, now she's using it as a train wreck. If there weren't something magnetic about her, we wouldn't be as fascinated with her downward spiral as we are; there are plenty of other previously successful actors who have fallen off the rails, but she's the one the world is obsessed with. She's got that it factor. I really believe the only way she can recover her career is to do theater. It will show that it's acting she loves, and shows that can she can be professional and be on time every night for the length of her run, and hit her marks. It will also give her acting credibility. i don't think there's any other way she can recover her career.
I thought the piece fawned over Lohan -- her beauty, her innate talent, her magnetism.
Right now, she couldn't make a curtain every night if she did theater. She needs a long sting in a real rehab, a boatload of therapy, and at the end of it, maybe she wouldn't even want to be in show business; though since she didnt' have anything resembling a normal education or training, it's hard to say what she could do.
Did she fuck James Deen?
she loves to party and have sex.
the thing is acting or for that matter any "profession" in the entertainment arts field is not good thing for an addict.
because its so "not normal and stable"
I'm bored! I'm so bored!
She's a horrible actress. I think people are fascinated by watching her get breaks and second chances left and right and throwing them all away.
The article was fascinating to me not just because of Lohan but more because of Schrader. He comes off as just as delusional.
Lindsay Lohan is an actress and she is playing a role. You are all being played.
Does anyone else remember how great Mary Beth Hurt was? I saw her on Bdwy in Trelawny of the Wells, Crimes of the Heart, and Benefactors, but think of her best from the movies. She was the only authentic thing in Woody Allen's most pretentious film, Interiors. She and John Heard were great -- funny, annoying, believable -- as unhappy lovers in Joan Micklin Silver's underrated adaptation of Ann Beattie's good novel Chilly Scenes of Winter, one of the most entertaining romantic movies of the late seventies and early eighties. I miss her. Comparisons are odious, but at the time I liked her more than Meryl Streep -- less mannered, less click-click-click.
Speaking of Streep, I came across a quote about her from Jean Arthur, who taught drama at Vassar when Streep was there. Arthur said that watching her on stage as a student was like watching a movie star. I think she meant it flatteringly, but Jean Arthur was very smart and very sly and valued a lot of qualities more than glamour, so I wonder. It's odd they knew each other, no?
R20 knows what's up.
agree on Chilly
The article makes me more interested in seeing The Canyons, actually.
And, I agree, that R20 may be onto something.
Didn't Jane Fonda bad mouth Linds when they made a movie together?
Has Schrader ever directed a good movie?
Thank you for sharing that about Jean Arthur, R21. So little is really known about her, so I appreciate any information.
I actually am pulling for Lindsay to get real help. I think once an opinion or fondness is developed for anyone it is harder to break from it, even as the person begins to differ from who they previously were, or who we projected them to be.
We saw her publicly as cute and talented, seemingly far different from the untalented, non-working likes of the Hiltons or Richies. What we really didn't know was how completely unstable and unhealthy her private life was.
Her dysfunctional beginnings with such horrible parents and home life had already been laid out in her life like a ticking time bomb. Combine those parents with hangers on and myriad Hollywood pressures, I don't know what child would still be standing.
I realize she has had abundant chances that many never have, but there is something in her that some of us want her to get true professional help.
We shall see if anyone or anything reaches her.
How could Mary Beth be married to William Hurt AND Schraeder?
Agreed with all before. What makes it truly sad is that she was (is?) extraordinarily talented as an actress in a way that almost no one in her age group is. She's younger than jessica chastain, but I do wonder what a healthy Lohan could've done with the myriad of roles thrown chastain's way.
Use to root for her, but I have now completely given up on her.
She's just too dumb to turn it around.
R25 I believe Jane said something like "sweet girl but you want to shake some sense into her".
This rag tag production would make Ed Wood proud.
I would not want to be drunk if James Deen was going to fuck me.....I'd want to feel and remember everything!!!
I rooted for her for years, but now that she's taken up professional grifting, I've started rooting for the justice system.
Enough slaps on the wrist already!
She's not that talented
I remember reading an article about her I think in Vanity Fair before she really went down hill. She never wanted to stay home. Always afraid she was going to miss something. They said it was weird, she was considered A list at the time and wanted to hang out with the D list Hilton and Kardashians.
The author actually thought LL was the best part of Prairie Home Companion?
I love him.
Please, R20. The court dates, potential prison sentences, legal woes, etc. are not the figment of a publicist's imagination.
Those are real problems with concrete and frightening consequences.
Lohan may like the attention, but this downward spiral is real.
Thanks R39. I love cheese. And that looks like cheez from a can. Love it.
She seems to prefer negative attention to any positive attention she ever received from acting, even if it's a subconscious thing. My guess is that it probably feels more "right" to her due to her fucked up upbringing.
It's all so fucking sad, and yet I'm completely guilty of not being able to look away.
So, is the sex in the film simulated or real?
[quote] So, is the sex in the film simulated or real?
As the article says several times IT'S REAL SEX.
When James Deen, a fucking porn star, seems like Sir John Geilgud in terms of professionalism in comparison, then it's time to put away your acting manuals and find other work to do. But what other work *can* she do?
Really r43? I didnt see that at all. It just said she was contractually obligated to do a sex scene. I doubt it was real.
I stole your voice, looks, and p.r.machine, right out from under you.
That's why you say " Bitch stole my career "......and I'm loving it !
It seems Ellis won, at least as far as the trailer looks: a campy, noir thriller.
Oh, I guess you're right Emma. Never thought about that before.
Wow, she really sounds like a nightmare....
she blew it
Great article, really worth the read. Thanks, OP.
Lohan is beyond redemption at this point I think. It would be a hell of a second act if she confounded us all and cleaned the fuck up and got a career.
I'm bored, I'm so bored!
I only had time to skim the article at work. I just reread it and was shocked at how poignant it was.
[quote]Schrader thought Lohan’s weakness wasn’t drugs — although he counseled her on the math of when to take sleep aids — but fear of being alone. She needed people and chaos around her 24/7. The idea of being by herself scared the hell out of her.
The whole article contains passages that illuminate Lohan's issues much more than the usual tabloid-type reporting on her. The writer did point out her fuck-ups (staying up partying with Lady Gaga until ,5:30 am when she was due on the set at 6 am.) But he was also fair about her general professionalism and fine, albeit Methodish, approach to emotional scenes.
It's worth reading, particularly if you're a fan of Schrader's work.
The thing that got me was when she went out to lunch. They got to the gate and she and her publicist made a break for it. Who does this? WTF??!!
Celebrities are so coddled. What would they do if they were forced to live in the real world?
I thought it was actually a very poignant piece not only about Lohan, but about the lengths and depths guys like Schrader and Ellis (to a lesser extent, because Ellis is such a douche) have been driven to in hard times.
I'd like to believe Lindsay can someday get it together after reading that, but I think this kind of failure, dysfunction and obviously fear is so hardwired into her makeup. She does all this other shit so she doesn't ever have to face life with the sound turned down. She doesn't know what it is not to be on.
Bitch is so delusional.
I agree that the poignancy extended to Schrader, and even Ellis. They all come across like characters from "Less Than Zero"...Ellis wrote his future there.
I'd like Schrader to end on something he believed in, as opposed to a shitty remake of "The Exorcist."
I'm one of the few fans of the badly-edited film "The Informers" but if Canyons turns out half as well, Ellis should be grateful.
Schrader's Exorcist film was actually a prequel, not a reboot. It had a good cast but was dreadful. Looked it was made for about 500 bucks, at least as low-budget as The Canyons.
Geeks took up the Schrader cause when he was fired off the film in favor of Renny Harlin's brainless version, which led to the studio releasing Schrader's cut on DVD. Both movies are bad, but Harlin's actually looks like a movie.
Notice the reference to the middle aged man with gifts. You're a whore darlin!
You guys need to go see Paul S's resume of great movies, also Lohan's. He has written and directed some great work that will stand the test of tie. And as for Lohan, she was chosen and praised my Robert Altman no less, for god's sake, and he was no dummy. She has something special and when did an actress using drugs, booze and sex compulsively not to mention also having an abhorrence of being alone offend the Datalounge crowd?! Judy G was no day at the beach ya know.
I wondered about that r58. Mysterious old dude with gifts. Also I never realized how physically repulsive Ellis is.
According to the article BEE "spent all his capital getting his man cast. Also, his condo is under water." And he only put up $30,000.
Is BEE broke? If so, why?
LiLo is less of a mess than some of the posters here. And I'm not being a bitch.
I guess I don't get it. The NYT article indicates she's somewhat better. Am I a gayling? Is she our new Judy/Liz/Marilyn?
I honestly feel for her. It's so easy to attack her. Why kick when she's down?
The article was a brilliant, subtle hatchet job of Schrader, not Lohan.
As it should have been.
I was very, very disturbed by this. How many times have we heard that she has been whored out by her mother? How many times has it been obvious she is keeping afloat financially by whoring to rich foreigners?
Now two misogynist has-beens (by their own making), are using her for publicity. Anyone who hires her at this point is in it for nothing else.
I realize that she has to take responsibility for herself, but I also feel for her.
I believe the mother as pimp allegations are true. I also think the father did more than knock her around.
Schrader is a delusional narcissist if he thinks he's getting back into Hollywood via the director's chair.
Even David O Russell, whose disturbing behaviour got him blacklisted, was smart enough to write his way back.
The writer putting the Scott anecdote in was brilliant, and a subtle way of making the point.
Lindsay Lohan is not really all that talented my friends. Move along..
Did James Deen fuck her and smack her around?
Is this the recap of an episode of Drugs Inc?
Wish she'd just be horribly murdered already. And painfully too. She's that much of a monster to me and her end can't come soon enough.
Schrader was into the homosex in the 70s and 80s and may still be, especially when coked up.
"Now two misogynist has-beens (by their own making), are using her for publicity. Anyone who hires her at this point is in it for nothing else."
My thoughts exactly.
[quote]As the article says several times IT'S REAL SEX
Where does it say that? I read the entire thing, and don't recall it stating that at all.
I could be wrong, though
Who gives a fuck about Lindsay Lohen? She's just another former child star train wreck. She's not the first and she won't be the last.
I think Paul Schrader is the real tragedy. He's done some pretty exceptional work. He wrote or co-wrote the screenplays for "Raging Bull" and "Taxi Driver." His films include "Hardcore", Auto Focus", "Mishima: A Life in Four Chapters" and "Affliction." He, unlike Lohen, actually had talent. What the fuck happened to him that he's now reduced to making a movie starring Lindsay Lohen and a porn star? Did he ruin himself with drugs and alcohol and bad behavior so that no one wants to finance his movies anymore? I think it's his downfall that is the real tragedy.
[quote]According to the article BEE "spent all his capital getting his man cast.
$$ is not the sort of capital being referred to here.
R70, the article didn't say that. I have no idea why the poster would write that, since this is plenty salacious as written.
WTF is wrong with Mary Beth Hurt?
Julia Phillips tells some hilarious anecdotes about Paul Schrader in You'll Never Dine in This Town Again.
"She's a vulgarian!!"
"For chrissakes, BE CAREFUL!"
mary beth in "Interiors" about Maureen Stapleton
one example, r75?
He tried to make out with her while at the Moonshadows parking lot, almost causing her to get into an accident.
He was obsessed with guns.
all of which compels me to ask again: wtf is wrong with Mary Beth Hurt?!
She's a dyke, no? She's lez-lez in "Slaves of N.Y."
mary beth, not lindsay
[quote]She's lez-lez in "Slaves of N.Y."
Then she must be in real life, too!
My point was if it walks like a duck....and Schrader's rumoured to be gay as well. May be a marriage of convenience. They're both ugly as shit.
I always loved Mary Beth Hurt. I had no idea she was married to Schrader. I saw her in many plays, including The Day Room, one of the best plays I've ever seen, at the MTC.
My favorite quote is the one that refers to Dina as a 'failed dancer'. Imagine the tantrum White Oprah threw when she saw that one.
'I was a Rockette!'
[quote]Is BEE broke? If so, why?
Couldn't happen to a nicer asshole.
Jail, rehab, interview, pose nude, repeat.
[quote]Didn't Jane Fonda bad mouth Linds when they made a movie together?
Not viciously. More in a maternal, shaking-her-head sort of way.
That was the beginning of the long, long slide. Lindsay was making a movie with, essentially, 3 characters and the other two were both Oscar winners. Unfortunately her antics caused the producer to call her out publicly on it--a bad idea since it hurt the film's BO.
Granted, it was a "little film" that never would have been a smash hit but it could have garnered some critical acclaim for all involved if it weren't for the public drama.
Even as released, "Georgia Rule" isn't a bad movie at all and Lohan is very good in it, IMO. It was not that she couldn't act, it was a matter of getting her on the set. Actually, I'd recommend the film to those who claim she can't act in adult roles. If you've only seen her neurasthentic performance in "Liz & Dick," check out "Georgia Rule."
Schrader is a nasty piece of work. He promised Natassia Kinski he wouldn't shoot her vag in "Cat People" and there are a bunch of zoom-in shots which upset NK very much.
He was bothered that Margot Kidder wouldn't sleep with him in the early '70's (Margot was cheerfully promiscuous but she still had standards.)
It's incredible that Schrader turned down Soderbergh's offer to edit - talk about shooting yourself in the foot!
R85, I can't find any verification of that story. LiLo isn't in court until the 15th.
The Georgia Rule producer wrote an open letter to her during filming that was published everywhere. He said it worked. She didn't show up late again.
Did the letter really hurt the box office? It was written during the filming.
I especially love the image of White Opera in disguise ina booth at the Chateau eavesdropping on her daughters conversation with Schrader and the producer. $100 a day! Whoo hoo! Momma needs her cut!
Lindsay's life reads like an episode of Intervention.
Has it really come to this? Four ways with porn stars?
[quote]It will show that it's acting she loves, and shows that can she can be professional and be on time every night for the length of her run, and hit her marks.
Good luck with that fantasy.
It's partying she loves, period.
I have to agree - Lohan on stage would be even more fucked up than Lohan on set.
Great for the understudy but that's about it.
The Lady Gaga Flu. LOL
[quote]Schrader goes over some ground rules; no trailers on set and one contractually obligated, four-way sex scene. Oh, another thing, Schrader adds: he will not try to sleep with her. This was probably a more relevant point in 1982, but no matter.
Oh, I love this writer.
Who is the middle-aged man bearing a stack of gifts for Lindsay? He appears in the restaurant at the opening of the article and leaves with her and her mother. So mysterious.
I don't like Lohan, but that James Deen is a true piece of shit. So smug for someone who can't act and who's only talent is for abusing women on film and shooting loads on cue.
I don't get the description of "gentle" for James Deen? Has the author ever seen him in action. It's like an endurance test for his partner, seriously he degrades and abuses them.
I thought he was just a run of the mill porn star.
Is he doing S/M porn?
Hasn't a lot of straight porn devolved into S&M?
"Who is the middle-aged man bearing a stack of gifts for Lindsay? He appears in the restaurant at the opening of the article and leaves with her and her mother. So mysterious."
He's the ASS MASTAH!
Margaret Cho's Mother
Who is watching little Cody Lohan while Momma is eavesdropping at le Marmont?
Liz & Dick is playing on LMN right now.
[quote]Who is the middle-aged man bearing a stack of gifts for Lindsay? He appears in the restaurant at the opening of the article and leaves with her and her mother. So mysterious.
Seriously, *everyone* I know has been talking about this article all weekend. We're frankly just shocked at some of the shit they allowed in there, particularly the tidbit above (which VERY strongly implies what we've all suspected for a long time, that LiLo has various older "sugardaddies" who fund her lifestyle in exchange for sex). And then there's this:
[quote]After dinner, Lohan emerged changed — wobbly and happy, a playful smile on her face.
The only two things that turn you "wobbly and happy" that quickly are booze (a lot of it) and heroin. Guesses which one LiLo was on?
Will this be as good as I know who killed me? God I hope so.
[quote]We're frankly just shocked at some of the shit they allowed in there, particularly the tidbit above (which VERY strongly implies what we've all suspected for a long time, that LiLo has various older "sugardaddies" who fund her lifestyle in exchange for sex)
I'm not sure why you're shocked this was included. The author described what was a very bizarre industry meeting. He'd be remiss to leave it out.
Isn't that so Hollywood? A number of middle-aged, fat and balding male vultures circling around a fucked up young woman.
[quote] She cut an album that went platinum
Really? I have never heard one of her songs
[quote] I eventually want to direct, so maybe when I’m not filming, I can be directing something because I learned so much from the people that I worked with.”
She wants to direct? How hilarious is that?
I like that she admitted she knew she has a triple chin.
Schrader and BEE sound like such sleazy has-beens. Selling script consultations and personal trainer sessions on Kickstarter says it all about the prospects for this movie.
Other than his work for Scorsese, Schrader hasn't done much worth screaming about, but he has this inflated sense of his own worth.
[quote]It's like an endurance test for his partner, seriously he degrades and abuses them.
I think it depends on the role. I've only seen in him in "scenes" online, never a feature-length movie. After he was cast in The Canyons, I got curious about what made him special.
From what I've seen, his stuff is somewhat different from mainstream porn. (Of course, I don't know that much about the current trends in straight porn, either...)
In some of them, he was fairly female-friendly and did seem to enjoy going down on his partner.
In at least two of the films, there were prolonged scenes of girls rimming him. In one, she sucked his toes before rimming him. That's not unusual for gay porn--is it considered "degrading" in straight porn?
In another film, the tone was more "gay panic" about his activities. He was wearing a Santa Claus hat that covered his eyes, jacking off. The camera man led him by hand to a couch and made him bend over it--using care not to touch the hand he'd been masturbating. Then an actress began rimming him but he was acting like he really didn't want to do it. She was given instructions (by the camera dude) that she couldn't call him a bitch or insert anything into his anus other than her tongue. Odd shit.
I've seen him in a clip with Asa Akiro she is a top porn star. It was definitely abusive/submissive stuff.
James Deen does lots and LOTS of double-anal and double vaginal scenes; the ones I've seen have been with Mr. Pete. He's definitely not inhibited or squeamish about his cock touching another man's.
Sounds hot (but painful) R117
Deen looks too cute to be totally straight and most pornies aren't. This movie could be a total bore, however, I just saw "Touch" Paul Schaeder's 90s flick with Bridget Fonda, Breckin Meyer - so dull....
NY Post reporting "The Canyons" rejected for Sundance Film Festival.
Uh, R120, you didn't read the NY Times piece did you?
Her career is really over, isn't it? No one wants her.
I'm feeling a bit bad for LiLo since she's getting all the blame for the film being rejeccted from two film festivals.
The South by Southwest (SXSW) festival just rejected it, claiming it had an ugliness and deadness about it.
What a shock. It was written by BEE and directed by Paul Schrader. According to the producer, he did receive an apology from SXSW:
[quote]Regarding SXSW, as an alum of the festival, having produced two films that premiered there, I received an email from the head of the fest apologizing for their lack of professionalism in talking to the press," Pope told MTV News.
It's hilarious that Sundance rejected this, considering some of the shit being shown this year, including not one but two James Franco films.
It can't be the sexuality that scared them off, either. Franco has an S/M movie playing and Two Mothers stars Naomi Watts and Robin Wright as two MILFs fucking each other's sons.
But once Sundance said no, it's a sure bet no other US festival will touch it.
I feel bad for LiLo but I secretly happy that this will probably destroy the chance of James Deen getting any mainstream work hereon out.
R125 Yeah he kind of creeps me out too. The porn thing which does not bother me. He just seems off.
[quote]It can't be the sexuality that scared them off, either. Franco has an S/M movie playing and Two Mothers stars Naomi Watts and Robin Wright as two MILFs fucking each other's sons.
Sundance also showed "Lovelace" which must have been upsetting to Lindsay since she was supposed to play Linda Lovelace (another LL, LOL), albeit in a different production.
The Canyons has found a distributor.
[quote]"The Canyons" will premiere in theaters, on DVD and on digital platforms in early summer in conjunction with a Special Presentation at Lincoln Center, where the film will be screened and followed by a conversation with Schrader and Kent Jones, Director of Programming of the New York Film Festival.