Completely finish (If you finish it, that means you complete it.)
Basic fundamentals (Fundamentals are basic.)
Final outcome (An outcome is final.)
Terrible tragedy (Tragedy means something terrible.)
Past history (History is what happened in the past)
Free gift (A gift is free.)
Future plans (Plans can only be for the future.)
True facts (If it's a fact, it is true.)
Various different (A meaning of different is various.)
Personal beliefs (A belief is personal.)
Continue on (Continue means to go on.)
Can you think of more?
"Personal beliefs" - gotta disagree slightly, not always redundant; sometimes beliefs are cultural, group-specific.
"My whole entire life!"
Very unique - it drives me mad.
Regularly, all the time!
wherever your final destination might be
5:00 AM in the morning.
"Completely finish (If you finish it, that means you complete it.)"
Actually one can -and usually does - complete anything in parts. Therefore, one can - and usually does - finish one part of something before completely finishing the whole. (I have just finished this paragraph).
Therefore, completely finishing something is not a redundancy. (I have just completely finished this post).
and same to 'final outcome' as R10 points out.
We see this all the time in real estate ads:
"hot water heater"
"Terrible tragedy (Tragedy means something terrible.)"
Not exactly. Terrible means causing terror. Not all tragedies cause terror.
On the other hand, terrible is often used to qualify tragedy in another way, to enhance how tragic the tragedy. When that is the case, it is, in a sense, redundant.
If you want to talk about stages, you should specify that by qualifying:
"The first stage should be completed next week -- the entire project should be completed by the end of the month".
As with "ultimate goal". If your goal is to to lose 100 pounds in 20 months, then you have 20 "interim goals" of 5 pounds each, but only 1 unqualified "goal" of 100 pounds.
Is that perfectly clear? Or only somewhat clear (which means "not yet clear")?
Many of these phrases are not meaningless in their supposed redundancy.
"Personal beliefs (A belief is personal.)"
In that phrase personal differentiates the belief from those which are, as the case may be, communal, universal or held by others than oneself.
One can have a variety of things belonging to the same subset or a variety of unrelated things. In the former case "various different" is not illogical. If one is working in a factory which produces five different brands of something, and among each brand are multiple defective items, one might say "various different" items are defective.
"Between she and I"
"If I was"
[quote] Top priority.
Hot water heater.
The outcome of the year-long treatment and observation of X on Asian patients was satisfactory at 88% success rate.
The outcome of the year-long treatment and observation of X on North American patients was satisfactory at 78% success rate.
The outcome of the year-long treatment and observation of X on African patients was satisfactory at 80% success rate.
The outcome of the year-long treatment and observation of X on Australian patients was significantly low at 28% success rate.
The final outcome of the year-long treatment and observation of X on human patients showed a marked disparity in one group, rendering the study inconclusive and subject to methodology review.
Extra added bonus.
Pre-approved (the prefix pre is unnecessary and with most pre words you could remove it and not change the meaning of the word)
I disagree about "future plans." It might be grammatically redundant, but when someone says it they are usually referring to long term plans and goals, whereas simply saying "plans" usually refers to short term plans, i.e. what someone is doing later that night, or that weekend, or for an upcoming holiday, etc.
Any item in a list of priorities is still a priority. The one that supersedes them all is the top priority.
r25, when was the last time you made plans today for something that happened last week?
R18, "pretty ugly" is an oxymoron.
At this point and time...
'At this point' already covers the time.
Not all facts are true.
"Very unique" is annoying, but it is not a redundancy. It's an improper modification of an absolute concept.
most certainly will
Whether or not.
Brutally raped. Brutally murdered. As opposed to the kinder, fun types of rape and murder.
Terrible tragedy (Tragedy means something terrible.)
it is redundant but a tragedy does NOT mean something terrible. this irks me. tragedy, at least in its original use, was something transformative, something (to use greek, where the word tragedy almost comes from) Cathartic. Something terrible could be forgetting your lunch, or your car keys. Tragedy is a mother of three getting run over by a bus.
Various different (A meaning of different is various.)
not only have I never encountered this, I can't make heads or tails of it
that isn't redundant.
[quote] As opposed to the kinder, fun types of rape
hey, last saturday was pretty fun, I'll admit
For the baseball challenged this translates to Runs Batted Ins.
Not redundant. Statutory rape is not necessarily brutal.
That's not the point, r28. The point is that adding the word "future" in front of the word "plans" is usually intended to make it take on a slightly more specific meaning in contemporary American English dialect, you fucking genius.
r31, isn't it 'at this point IN time'? well, that what I use.
r36, I disagree. 'Brutally' indicates the degree of violence that came/enabled with the rape, ex. an unconscious party girl raped vs a woman punch black and blue before being raped vs the infamous tragic Indian bus rape.
lol sorry for the loads of typo on 45
Deja vu all over again.
[quote]At this point and time...
This might be redundant if that were the phrase, but the actual phrase is "At this point in time."
Brutally murdered always bothers me. I could see if it the media restricted its use to those who were bludgeoned to death, but it seems to be universal. All murder has become brutal in the media for dramatic impact.
Teal green is not redundant because teal is not always green; the name comes from the vivid colors on teal ducks. Green-winged teals are greener and blue-winged teals are bluer. I think of the color teal as being blue with a lot of green added in but I see it used for what I would call jade green.
"Between she and I" is not redundant, but it's terrible grammar. Ditto for "if I was."
Refer back to
I hate when someone says "two twins"...
Admittedly I was off-track [R30], [R39], and [R40]. My flight of ideas went from 'redundant expressions' to 'redundant expressions I dislike' to 'anything I hear often and dislike' all in the span of twenty seconds. Would you please pass the ritalin?
I realize teal, the color, is named for teal, the varifeathered duck, but I've never heard of anything but that particular bluish green called teal. I think chocolate brown is redundant, and nobody ever asks "milk or dark chocolate?" by way of clarification. They sound awful said aloud.
[quote]tragedy, at least in its original use, was something transformative, something (to use greek, where the word tragedy almost comes from) Cathartic. Something terrible could be forgetting your lunch, or your car keys. Tragedy is a mother of three getting run over by a bus.
Thank you, R37. My eighth grade lit teacher smacked this concept into our heads.
Since when are facts true?
there is some real geek-dom going on in this thread
I love you grammar queens.
hot water heater
gradually over time
AIDS infected homosexual.
If something is destroyed, then it's complete.
I don't know if I agree R61. If something has more than one part that make up the whole of it, like a computer, and one part is destroyed (the keyboard, let's say), but the other two parts are still viable (the screen and hard drive), the item as a whole is only partially destroyed. However, if all parts of the item, the hard drive, the screen and the keyboard, were no longer viable due to the destruction, the item would be completely destroyed.
As opposed to the kinder, fun types of rape and murder.
Well, I did hear of a case of someone who was killed by a clown. Apparently drowning someone with a seltzer bottle gets some laughs.
Consensus of opinion.
Blue in color.
maybe its not redundant, but repeated for added emphasis. you know like a rhetorical device. fucking idiots.
[quote] deja vu all over again
That one kills me, r47. I have heard that this was popularized because Yogi Berra said it. Unfortunately it's become way too prevalent now. I actually heard a news anchor say it once. People have debated and said it's not redundant, but here's my take:
"Deja Vu" literally means, "This has happened before". One would assume that in order to say that, the same thing would be currently happening, otherwise what would trigger a person to say it?
6 different colors.
[quote]"Deja Vu" literally means, "This has happened before".
Actually, deja vu literally means: "already seen."
And deja vu refers to the feeling that something has happened before, even when it hasn't btw.
You might walk into a house that's new to you but seems familiar for a reason you can't explain. That's deja vu. (If you walk into another house the next day and the same thing happens, that would be deja vu all over again btw).
People began using it to refer to events that happened more than once--a football player drops a ball twice in the game and the second gets a joking response of "Deja vu!" from viewers.
But the phrase itself refers to the dreamlike sense of familiarity that new events or places can sometimes have.
I think is some cases you are all being too literal. In some cases the "redundant" word is acting as an intensifier. Yes, "completely destroyed" can indicate the difference between destroyed, but possibly rebuilt, and leveled to the ground. But it can also be be used to intensify the notion of destroyed as in, "After Jim dumped her for another man, Jill was completely destroyed."
I hope you didn't, R65. You were right the first time.
"Reconfirm" could almost always be shortened to "confirm," unless you've confirmed once and now you're truly reconfirming.
R22, doesn't it hurt to write that way? It hurts to read it.
free gift - by its very nature a gift is free
partially nude - should be partially CLOTHED
Delicious, authentic Italian food from the Olive Garden.
That's not redundant, bread isn't baked sliced, idiot
R89 - it's the "PRE" that's in question. Bread that is sold as a loaf of slices is "sliced" bread.
He is a male model (nurse, etc.)
[quote] An outcome is final
You an do math problems and come up with outcomes that are false. There's Ben a mistake made. So you go back and do it again.
Outcomes aren't necessarily final. Lots are temporary.
[quote] Free gift (A gift is free.)
Not necessarily. You can get a gift in exchange for something. Or you get a gift for having given a gift. If I gave you a Christmas gift and you now feel obliged to get me a gift, then my gift isn't "free," it's payback. Also, when you get a gift from the bank for opening an account (a mid century occurrence), you couldn't get the gift if you didn't open the account.
A "gift exchange" or "secret Santa" involves gifts, but you have to give one in order to get one. Not free, but still gifts
[quote] If something is destroyed, then it's complete.
Lots of houses were partially destroyed in hurricane sandy. If my bedrooms and bathrooms were completely wrecked to the studs but my living room and second story are ok, my house is partially destroyed.
[quote] [R89] - it's the "PRE" that's in question. Bread that is sold as a loaf of slices is "sliced" bread.
But if you go to the bake shop and buy bread and ask them to slice it for you, the bread was not pre-sliced prior to sale. But if it is sliced on a supermarket shelf, it is pre sliced prior to sale.
Your house was partially damaged, R95.
[quote] agricultural crops
Not really. They are different from hydroponic crops. Also, rearing animals is included in agriculture. You don't call steak, eggs, fried chicken and hot dogs a crop. But they are agricultural products.
Not if the other rooms were damaged. My living room and bathroom were destroyed. My basement destroyed. My den and bathrooms were damaged.
My house is partially destroyed
again and again
over and over
[quote] Personal beliefs (A belief is personal)
No. A state religion is a belief. But it's not personal. A cultural belief would be that all citizens must be warriors and weak babies or weak children must be put to death. But the parents and the weak children may not believe this personally.
Part of your house was destroyed R95. The house as a whole is either destroyed or not destroyed.
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Pre-plan or plan in advance or prepare in advance.