Has anyone noticed this? People tend to be nicer to people with good looks than to people who are homely looking. Life's unfair. We can't really do anything about our looks.
There was a survey in France about this. Where they found on average a good looking person will get a better job than their plain looking counterpart.
What have your experiences on being judged based on your looks been like?
Took me gaining some weight and losing some of my hair due a health issue (now resolved, thankfully) to know that this is TOTALLY TRUE. So unfair.
So do taller men.
Of course it's true. Good-looking people are constantly socially and materially rewarded for being so pretty. They get more friends, jobs, lovers, and better service at restaurants.
Until they get older, and have to face life as an ordinary person. Hur hur hur.
R3 is correct, I got some completely unjustified preferential treatment when I was young and hot. Now, not so much and that's life.
The world has always been this way, it will continue to be this way. There's no point in getting all bent out of shape about it.
You could try being pleasant, OP.
At least where I work, I see that apply to women more than men. Men will be judged more often than not on their competence in the job. For women, it's more a combination of looks and talent. Some hot women who really aren't that good at their jobs get treated better than they should.
In life in general, though, yes, attractive people usually get preferential treatment.
Ive experienced it, but not the negative experience. I'm over 6 feet tall and have what some would say are above average looks. When I was in college, I went with two of my roommates to apply for jobs at the Hyatt that was downtown. I was offered a job at the front desk. My roomies, who were shorter, kind of dumpy and one had bad skin, were told the only other positions available for those with no prior experience was in housekeeping. As you needed to know Spanish for that, they were not hired. When I showed up for the orientation a few days later, I met several people who were hired at the same time for front of house positions. These were positions that were available when we applied, none of them required prior experience but they were not offered to my roomies. They instead went to people who were good looking.
And in other shocking news, people who can sing tend to get cast in Broadway musicals!
Several years ago, I read an article that I wish I had saved. It talked about this very subject, but went into specific detail about measurements of nose to overall face, forehead width, etc. For example, people with noses that were in proportion to their face got better treatment than those whose nose was not in proportion.
OP, were you born yesterday?
[quote] And in other shocking news, people who can sing tend to get cast in Broadway musicals!
[quote]And in other shocking news, people who can sing tend to get cast in Broadway musicals!
Bad example r9
All of life's doors are open for attractive people, and being attractive forgives a multitude of personality sins.
People are going to love you and seek your company no matter how shitty you treat them.
My friend was tall and gorgeous and dumb as a box of rocks. He has gone from one CFO job to another whereas I never made it past the job just below vice-president. He can't do any of the jobs he's been hired for, but he sure looks easy on the eyes. So no, it is not only women. It is also men.
If only someone would do an episode of 30 Rock about this observation!
if you think the US is bad, this is perfectly acceptable behavior in other countries.
They were talking about this on the radio. It's true. I'm tall with above-average (now aging) looks and I've noticed it with me. People want to put me out front, to have me deal with their clients, generally, to be seen. And I have no greater skills or schooling than anyone else. But I think I have good social skills as well, and I think that makes a big difference. A nice looking guy with attitude will come in for more grief than an average looking person with a so-so personality. You're expected to be the total package.
I think this depends on the situaton and context. For example, aren't most women instantly jealous and catty toward hot women, especially if the formers are unattractive and/or bitter?
I find it surprising that people find this surprising.
Look at your own life. You discriminate based on looks (whether you're willing to admit this or not). Why would everyone else be any different?
It's absolutely true.
This is totally true. I hired a gorgeous straight male assistant and I let him get away with murder and do basically nothing for the 2 years he worked for me, because I enjoyed having someone so hot in my office. I loved it when clients would come into my office and say, 'who is the Adonis at the front desk?'.
Two words that destroy that myth: Harvey Weinstein! He may be fat,he may be ugly BUT he's gets treated better than most people.
The positive response doesn't have to be based JUST on natural good looks. You can also get better treatment by making an effort about how you present yourself: great suit, haircut, good makeup if you're a woman, keeping yourself slim and in shape.
Yes, I know that is obvious as well, but it doesn't seem to have been recognised on this thread so far.
Harvey is rich and powerful, which is a different level of good looking. Have you ever noticed how the CEO's jokes are just a little bit funnier than everyone else's? How rich, powerful trolls get hot girls?
[quote4]How rich, powerful trolls get hot girls?
They're whores, darlin.
OP = Christina Crawford
Harvey has not always been so rich and powerful.He worked his ass off despite the fact that he's not pretty.Yes he took advantage of starlets for roles now probably including Jennifer Lawrence but hey that's life.
I do not discriminate based on looks, but my boss tried to rig so it looked like I did. I asked to hire a gung ho pretty white guy and a cynical worldly wise black man, but she wouldn't allow the latter, and instead stuck me with another pretty white guy. Then she went around saying, see, this is what happens when you let a gay guy hire people. It was another year before they allowed me to hire someone else, and then she again turned down the smart but abrasive lesbian I wanted to hire and stuck me with a black woman who had sued all her former employers for discrimination. But we got along great, contrary to her expectation. In the end it was my boss who got the boot, not me.
How long did it take for you to figure that out, OP?
I posted this on another thread (can't remember) but I saw on tv years ago - Dateline? a piece about how babies, when given photo albums of especially good-looking people, react more favorably than when given photo albums of less attractive people. Unfortunate but true. As another poster on this thread said, there are "scientific" "face ratio" studies of what constitutes beauty.
Agree with yet another poster who points out the irony of this topic on a message board populated by gay men!
You're lookist, darlins'
[quote]Several years ago, I read an article that I wish I had saved. It talked about this very subject, but went into specific detail about measurements of nose to overall face, forehead width, etc. For example, people with noses that were in proportion to their face got better treatment than those whose nose was not in proportion.
Why in God's name do you wish that you had saved that article, R10? Just how cluttered are your living quarters?
I don't know how much of an advantage my appearance has been, OP. I am also better educated than most people. I am certainly not nicer, although I do know how to be more polite.
i'm a tall handsome 33 year old white guy...and yes, i know i get a bit of better treatment in situations. funny thing is, people run into me all the time walking on the sidewalk in nyc like i'm not even there. what's up with that?
Simple, R33; either they're copping feels or picking your pockets.
Ugly people resent normal looking people and dismiss intelligence and merit.
You can tell when an ugly person forgives someone for being better looking. They invariably say, "I thought you were cold and/or stuck up when we first met, but you're not."
i'm butt ugly and i still get plenty of dick
Yes, I work with Andrew who is drop dead good looking with a kick ass body.
He made nearly $3,000 in Christmas tips. The most anyone else got in Christmas tips was $20.00
Agree that good looking people get treated better- kind of obvious isn't it?
But it does not necessarily abate as you grow older if you stay in shape, neat and clean, well dressed and good manners.
Essentially it is all about presentation. But you have to follow it up with more meaningful traits once the door is open.
[quote]Why in God's name do you wish that you had saved that article, [R10]? Just how cluttered are your living quarters?
r32, I'm not sure what century you live in, but here in the 21st Century, we have these little things called external hard drives. They are electronic devices that are approximately the size of a person's hand. Through the magic of technology, a person can scan a journal article and transfer the article to the external hard drive, thereby being able to save thousands of pages of interesting stuff and yet have the portability to put it in a drawer should company arrive unexepectedly.
I wish I had saved the article because it talked about the "science" of why good looking people get treated better. Nose to face ratio was the one I remember, but they had other factors which I've forgotten. I believe another was distance between the eyes and how much of your eyes were visible (i.e. a "bug-eyed" person was not good looking).
so true. i work in advertising. the ratio of good-looking to dogs in this world is totally skewed. account people tend to be in their 20s and 30s, and pretty hot. on the creative side, there are some funky looking people...but just as many hotties. i would say even split. both of my creative directors right now are def handsome. one is an athletic slim daddy type, the other more of an edgy jock. both could do gay porn easily.
someone else though mentioned that if you present well and are pulled together, there can be the same effect - which I happen to agree with. I work with some fugly Brit strategists - but they are impeccable dressers, confident and a shit-ton of fun to go out and drink with. they basically are the lords of this place.
"I think this depends on the situaton and context. For example, aren't most women instantly jealous and catty toward hot women, especially if the formers are unattractive and/or bitter?
I am a lesbian and appreciate good-looking women -- and men.
I had a boss who was drop-dead beautiful. Some people treated her with slobbering deference, others with hostility. She knew how to neutralize women's jealousy by being unpretentious, very friendly but neutral and treating everyone as an equal. She had exceptional people skills. It is great to be beautiful but like anything else beauty has to be managed and the problems it can bring anticipated.
Yes they do OP.
And outside the business, make that The Business, where no one knows or cares who he is, a guy like Harvey Weinstein is treated no differently than that guy at the gas station you drive by and never look at.
Go into an investment bank sometime. It's like you're walking into a modeling agency. Investment bankers make Jon Hamm look like Sarah Jessica Parker's hiney.
Goodlooking people get favoritism in life--oh, say it ain't so, Joe!
I can attest good looking guys get MUCH better treatment
I'm shocked... SHOCKED!
I go out of my way to be a hair friendlier and more respectful to people who aren't that attractive. I have a friend who is a tall, heavily built woman -- so perceptive and fair, a great friend but sometimes overlooked because of her appearance. Seeing how she is treated made me more aware of the BS some people have to deal with.
[quote]You can tell when an ugly person forgives someone for being better looking. They invariably say, "I thought you were cold and/or stuck up when we first met, but you're not."
*lightbulb moment* Holy crap, this explains so much.
As everyone has pointed out, it is true that attractive people get treated better and have more opportunities, etc... But I think the value of having a great personality and other social skills should be acknowledged as well.
I went to high school with a girl who was tall, thin, blonde and very pretty. She had done some modeling in Seventeen magazine and other publications and came from a wealthy family. This girl may have had conventional good looks, but her attitude and personality were dreadful and as I got to know her better, she started to become physically ugly to me - to the point where we all tried to avoid her.
Conversely, my first impression of one of my good friends from college was that she was kind of strange and unfortunate looking. But as I got to know her better for the wonderful person that she is, she literally became beautiful to me and it's weird to look at her now and not think of her as beautiful.
So yes, the privileges of beauty can be very unfair to those who may not be considered "beautiful", but having other great attributes and talents plays a huge role in how people see you and accept you. And lacking those attributes and talents can also take away from whatever physical beauty you may have.
Hello, OP?? Did you ever see Broadcast News??
R50, I think you are unusual. So many people are shallow and would not have that realization.
r29 has me thinking about the HR confessions/horror stories thread that is going right now. So that is all it really comes down to when hiring takes place. A "gung ho" white pretty guy vs a cynical black man vs a smart but abrasive lesbian. I have no faith in humanity.
To those of you who are interested in the ideally porportioned face, google "golden ratio". There's a specific set of measuremeants based on measurements of 1:1.38.
A "mask" of these ideal porportions is out there, and can be placed over the faces of real people to see how they measure up. Here's the mask over Angelina Jolie's face; and she's an almost perfect fit, except for her over-full lips. Her plastic surgeon must have used it to design her current nose.
And here's Brad Pitt. Some of his features fit the mask, but not his large jaw. ut then, big jaws are considered attractive in men, and the mask is designed to be unisex.
And sorry, the "golden ratio" is 1:1.618. Math isn't my strong suit.
Attractive people have a responsibility to share their good fortune by having sex often with unattractive people. Those who don't deserve to be treated like crap. Seriously, it's just the same as having money. Pity fucking is a form of charity and should be expected and respected.
True R56. When I was beautiful I never turned anyone down. Sex was a gift, not a possession.
Absolutely. But 95% of good looks is age related. Nobody can stop time. Not even Leo DiCaprio,an example of mega heartthrob turned middle aged and more average. That's life. The hottest person will age and change. Looks can carry you through your 20s but if you think you can feed yourself on looks for the 50 years of life after age 30 then you are being silly.