They shut down the research into sexual orientation at the beginning of the "gay lib movement". It is not known what causes homosexual orientation, but I feel sure that it is cause and effect like everything else about life on Earth. I am convinced that the default situation is for a human to be primarily heterosexual, with a secondary interest in sex with same gender when sex with the opposite gender is not convenient or possible. Almost everybody is homosexual when in prison, on an all-male ship, or at an all-male or all-female school. About the only people who are not bisexual are the gender nonconforming homosexuals who call themselves "gay", and claim there is no such thing as bisexuality.
R2, you're as bad as a freeper homophobe.
[quote]They shut down the research into sexual orientation at the beginning of the "gay lib movement
No true, there are people who study and are studying this.
Thats how we know some biological factors that are correlated with homosexuality. It is unlikely there is one single cause, and please remember that just because something is biological doesn't mean it is genetic or solely genetic. Human biology is complicated.
[quote]Almost everybody is homosexual when in prison, on an all-male ship, or at an all-male or all-female school.
This is not true.
R2 you have deep seeded internalized homophobia. You're probably also single and have been all your life.
It's okay though, lots of gay men hate themselves and hate homosexuality and homosexuals. It's the times we live in. This will decrease with time. As soon as the gay men from the 70s and 80s and maybe the 90s die out, you will read R2's less and less.
I'm afraid there is not a simple answer to this question Op and you suspect that.
Oh great, R5, you tell R2 he's crazy and then you prove yourself crazy with equally disturbing bullshit.
Most women are bisexual because throughout human history men died young, either in battle or while out hunting. Men still die before their wives, it's almost genetically coded.
So women have had to adapt to widowhood throught history, most still in their sexual prime. Women began to cohabitate to take care of one or both's offspring and to share resources. If you think that these unions were never sexual than you are naive.
Now, for men, they are coded to be the aggressors and conquerers--I don't think that leaves much time for a bromance. Still, male bonding was very important for a successful raid so who knows--maybe male bisexuality is a result of that.
Most sexual experimentation occurs when men are young or as boys--this may be a type of bonding that men had to stay loyal to the tribe.
I'll chime in the sexuality has a physically-determined component in reaction to pheromones and such, explaining why so many guys who desperately DO NOT want to be attracted to other guys cannot "help it" (as it were). There's also a psychological component that can "over ride" (or mitigate) this, seen most clearly in straight-identified women engaging in same sex relationships. That cannot be forced to happen, it has to come from within, which is why "ex gay" measures usually fail.
I don't believe there are many folks who are genuinely, "ambidextrously" bisexual in terms of wiring. I would wager that most self-identified bisexual males are wired for men, but if a woman is compatible and reasonably attractive, they're okay with it. So, yes, married men out trawling for Teh Penis can honestly say, "Oh, I'm bisexual, and really care about my wife. (or similar)" Bisexuality among women is a whole other kettle of fish, as I understand it's more motivated by emotion than sexual excitement. Bi ladies -- you can feel free to chime in as I am admitting here that that is my observation, not an assertion.
I'm R2, and I don't recall hating anybody. I just don't agree with the fools who are saying bisexuals don't really exist. We're here, we haven't been vaporized, and unless that happens we will exist, and we are legion, so you might as well get used to our existence. Something is bound to be the cause for some humans to be gender disordered and exclusively homosexuals, and I don't see how recognizing that can be construed as "hate". Cause and effect is just the way the world works.
R7, I didn't say all. Homophobic gay men will always exist, just not as much. I'm sorry if I came off like an asshole. I find that most (not all) homophobic gay men are 40 and older.
You know you're about to hear bullshit when someone says "throughout history blah blah blah...and now it's biologically encoded". It's no better than arguments that used to be pushed to keep women out of the workplace.
[quote]Most sexual experimentation occurs when men are young or as boys--this may be a type of bonding that men had to stay loyal to the tribe.
I never experimented with females. So, why is it that 'straight' males only "experiment" with other males? Is this a gay porn fantasy getting the best of you perhaps?
As soon as a biological marker for homosexuality is discovered. Gay babies will be aborted in huge numbers.
The only people having gay children will be conservatives who don't believe in abortion..
Oh the irony!
But, you know R7, I do come to datalounge which is predominately older gay men and the amount of homophobia and hatred directed at gay men I experience here is mind boggling so that might be why I feel like I do.
[quote] Something is bound to be the cause for some humans to be gender disordered and exclusively homosexuals,
R5 R16 -- I find the placed loaded with HETEROphobia and misogyny, rather than homophobia.
R18, heterophobia? Gay men here lust after straight men in the creepiest way. There are countless threads on straight men.
R17, why am I a bigot when these are my favorite people in the world, and I put ads on craigslist all over the country and invite them to come have sex with me in my truck sleeper?
[quote] I find the placed loaded with HETEROphobia and misogyny, rather than homophobia.
Until the homophobia is weeded out completely the rest can wait its turn
R20 sounds sleazy.
R19 -- by heterophobia I mean the contempt for married women (as opposed to divas), breeders, etc.
[quote] Almost everybody is homosexual when in prison, on an all-male ship, or at an all-male or all-female school.
Prison is SITUATIONALLY homosexual. Single sex schools and "ships" only contain homosexual activity in porn plots!
R25, situational homosexuality? Is there situational Jewiness too?
[italic]Most women are bisexual because throughout human history men died young, either in battle or while out hunting. Men still die before their wives, it's almost genetically coded.
So women have had to adapt to widowhood throught history, most still in their sexual prime. Women began to cohabitate to take care of one or both's offspring and to share resources. If you think that these unions were never sexual than you are naive.[/italic]
What an imagination you have, not to mention an oh, dear.
r15 = F&F
R26 I do not see the comparison you make; a better one would be "Converso" Catholics who were (are) "situationally" Christian.
Bisexuality is caused by bad diningroom etiquette
There is another current thread about that, and the posters all seem to be genuine homofaggotqueerboys.
R29, so homosexuality/bissexuality is more akin to religion? It's a belief system?
Then there would never be 'situationally black' because black isn't a belief system.
That clears things up...back to Exodus.
By "situationally" I meant that one is straight in prison, but has sex with men, because ... that's all there is IN THAT SITUATION. Conversos went through a conversion and outwardly practiced Catholicism because IN THEIR SITUATION they had little choice. Clearer now?
There are plenty of prisoners that go through prison and don't have sex with men.
There are those who do, but isn't it more likely that in most cases they were a little bisexual but prison just gives them an outlet were they feel okay exploring it.
R33, well, my mom did say I never met the right girl that's why I'm gay. The situation never came along. Homosexuality is dependent on 'situations'.
Surprise surprise r23 is another bigot
Look up bonobos and lesbian (functionally bisexual) relationships amongst them.
Look up male gorillas who have sex with other males.
Look up lesbianism/bisexuality in macaques.
Look up the wide incidence of part-time heterosexuality and part-time homosexuality in human beings.
Now look up a concept called reciprocal altruism as causa finalis.
Why would we not be like many other functionally bisexual primate? Bisexuality is a form of kin selection an a way to help survival, and it is so common that there have been biological, inheritable adaptations along the way because bisexuality improves survivability of one's self and one's kin. Pheromones, genes etc. are just proximate mechanisms that are a result of our biological adaptations enabling bisexuality because bisexual ancestors survived more often and passed along their genes more frequently than exclusively heterosexual and, logically, more often than exclusively homosexual ancestors.