Brian Williams Again Proclaims That America Won WWII
and we wonder why the world is always ticked at us.
One word: Stalingrad.
Poor ol' Russians -- they did all the work and bore all the pain.
The Allies won.
The USA was a key member of the alliance.
Therefore it is not incorrect to say America won WWII as long as listeners understand the facts above.
One some sense one might say the USA supplied machines and men while the Russians overwhelmingly supplied blood.
I count three factors that won that war. It would not have been won without all three combined.
I looked at this quickly and thought it said "BARRY Williams proclaims that America Won WWII." I was just happy that he didn't think it was Germany.
Brian Williams gets a pass on everything from me. I just love how he goes on 30 Rock and creates a caricature of himself.
Ohio won World War II according to a fat girl from Ohio when I was eight years old.
A word of advice to Americans: when visiting Europe, please do not say that without Americans German would be the main European language.
In THAT order r4? Please.
Why, R9? Would we have kept the Turks out?
[quote]Brian Williams gets a pass on everything from me. I just love how he goes on 30 Rock and creates a caricature of himself.
That and his horse-cock.
Call me when the Brian Williams/Bruce Springsteen sex tape leaks.
Well, I would never discount the importance of the Allies especially not the courage and incredible ability of the Brits as they staved off Hitler pretty much on their own for so long BUT without the US in the fight I'm not so sure who would have won. It might not have been a total defeat but it may have ended in a stand-off with Europe unliberated. Though the Germans did a great job of self-destruction often enough to have possibly made a difference without the US engaged.
But no I would never insult our WWII Allies. They also suffered greatly during and after the war for a long time unlike the US. Hell, the UK rationing didn't end until 1954. That's 15 years of not enough food, not enough fuel, not enough anything.
"without the US in the fight I'm not so sure who would have won"
I believe that we British finally paid off the US for their aid in WWII in about 2000?
And in many cases, the US DID win WWII - it was the most successful, rich country in the world afterwards.
Pity that, by 2008, it had all been pissed up against the wall...
US going USSR.
R7 Sounds like you're still 8 years old. Are you?
And everyone forgets which country hard the 3rd largest navy in WWII and took one of the Normandy beaches on D-day.
R15, stop hitting on children. We don't allow "grooming" here.
It was Germany's desire to conquer Russia that killed any chance it had of winning the war. If he'd kept the USSR out of the war, then who knows what would have happened, although trigger happy Truman probably would have dropped the atomic bomb on Berlin.
Of course, WWII didn't only involve Europe, as the Europeans here seem to think. There was a lot going on in the Asia Pacific, and if it weren't for the US, then a lot more people would be speaking Japanese today. But Europeans seem to think they remain the center of the world.
LOL with "grooming" r17, only stating insults are definitely for children. Mature adults don't feel the need for them.
"And everyone forgets which country hard"
Always thinking with your "big gun", eh, R16?
OP = Our ever present, likely Canadian anti-U.S. troll.
Kill it. ..with fire.
[R9] Here's how I see it
Winston Churchill kept England in it inspite of England being pummeled. He did so with the force of personality, but England put up a hell of a fight. Other European countries folded to the Nazi's. Finally, America's Army Air Corp showed up -had the Norton bomb site which was better than Britains. Russia was invaded by the Nazi's and they put up a hell of a fight and had incredible losses. Then in 1944 the Army Air Corp was instrumental in shooting down and taking out the vast majority of the Luftwaffe in the air. However 1 out 3 of those B-17's were shot down. But it led to a successful D-Day and then Patton showed up and came at Germany from the east and then Russia came through by coming at Germany from the west and into Berlin.
Hell of a job by everybody.
"then Patton showed up and came at Germany from the east and then Russia came through by coming at Germany from the west and into Berlin. "
Turn that around a bit.
My father was in one of the B-17's, was shot down and was a POW in Nazi Germany for a year.
When he returned to Europe in 1973 with his wife and her family, when the family would tell their hosts - in France, in Italy, in the Basque county and in England what he had been part of -people there could not do enough for him. He was thanked over and over. He was embarrased by it and kept telling the family to stop talking about it. But, the trip was healthy for him. I think because of all that appreciation, not just for him but the guys he was with that didn't come back. He was able to put some horrible memories behind him.
He also went back to Germany - but that was different. But it too was a kind ofa healing experience for him. He told me he realized it was time to put the hate away. But - he then got that steel in his eyes - and he said, but if you put a Nazi SS officer in front of me even today, I would shoot him dead without even blinking.
It seems I'm the ONLY one who finds his orange-y skin color freakish?
The Russians got in there. America got involved at the last possible minute. America didn't win WWII. It was part of a bunch of countries that did.
No, OP, I stopped giving a fuck why the rest of the world is ticked off at us years ago. Because I've seen how hypocritical, childishly sniveling-insecure and unbelievably full of shit the rest of the world is. This "ugly American seppo" has such a deep-seated loathing of the rest of the world that its opinions mean absolutely NOTHING to me.
If anything, I'm happy when American WWII bragging bothers other countries and makes their collective dicks go limp. It's entertaining how immature and predictable other nationalities are and the babyish way in which they usually react.
America did win WWII.
and New York won the Civil War.
I would argue that it was the bravery of the French Resistance, the work of the SOE, things like Operation mincemeat, the work at Bletchley Park by the likes of Turing and the extra naval and manpower from the US which won the war. And whoever comes out with the argument that everybody would be speaking German really hasn't put much thought into their reasoning. Despite attempts to stop it by the British, Irish is still widely spoken as is Welsh and to some degree Scottish Gaelic. In France there are many speakers of Basque as well as French. In Belgium .... you get my drift.
That's what you think, R39. But mark my words, Yankee: Orlando will rise again!
Brian Williams is such a pompous ass. He needs to retire.
Irish is NOT "widely spoken"! It's propped up massively by the government, but few can carry on any kind of conversation it besides those in part of the rural west and some nerds who learned it in school.
Ah, yes, we won the war.
Pass the cheese.
Russia won it.
Stalingrad was the biggest, most decisive battle of the entire war.
R8, most Europeans simply roll their eyes or yawn or just think "it's ok, let them say what they like but don't bother answering back" whenever they we hear Americans come out with that kind of thing.
R18, no we don't think the Second World War took place only in Europe or that we are the centre of the world, but it would be ignorant to deny that Europe was pretty much the focus of the Second World War and that the impact it had, and still has, on our continent was of huge importance. And, whatever happened in the Pacific was a product of what was going on in Europe. If I were to regurgitate with crude stereotypes, like you, I would say that most Americans think the Second World War was only the Holocaust. Some more "educated" ones might remember that Japan was involved, but only that the Japanese were nasty and evil and deserved everything they got, including being blasted with nuclear bombs.
More to the point, it tends to be a certain type of American who thinks the US is the centre of the world.
Can't we stop with all this bullshit war talk? Let's get back to talking about Brian's enormous cock.
We are the centER of the world, r37. What's your problem?
For what it's worth, this American is very, very sorry we sacrificed hundreds of thousands of our young men fighting for you vile, European cocksucking pigs WHO PARASITICALLY USE AMERICA FOR EVERY ADVANTAGE YOU CAN WHILE SPEWING HATE AT IT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU SORRY, BUBONIC-PLAGUE-BAIT EUROTRASH SEWER RATS!!! The most hypocritical, laziest, bigoted, hate-filled, nastiest parasites on this planet are Europeans. Period. No ifs ands or buts about it. It sickens me that America sacrificed so many young men for your blood-soaked continent of Inquisition, Nazism, Communism, imperialistic vampires that you stuck-up, bigoted Eurotrash snobs are. I hope America never again spills blood for the subhuman likes of you incredibly rude, Zeropean spoiled brat, entitled, booze-saturated snobs who don't even understand the basic concept of manners.
R33 I live in Ireland. Out in the West there are plenty of Irish monoglots. I accept your argument for the East but both my nephew and niece are fluent speakers and grew up in Co. Dublin.
R40 And I love you too. Have a glass of rioja with me and chill a little.
R39, the word centre is spelt "centre". Its etymology is from the Greek word "kentro", and this is more correctly rendered with the -tre spelling. Moreover, in languages other than English (and Greek) it is invariably spelt -tr as opposed to -ter (e.g. centro, zentrum, centrum). In English, the historical spelling is centre and the "center" spelling was only invented in the 19th century.
R40, you sound like an idiot. If we were ever to meet, however, I would do you the courtesy and give you a hankie to wipe the dribble that's running down your chin.
The monoglots are a small percent of the population. To me it seems that Irish speakers outside those areas is about as prevalent as fluent(ish) French speakers in Canada outside Quebec, but at least in Canada the number of French-primary speakers is significant. In Ireland, if they dropped propping up Irish officially, what percent of the population would be affected: single digits? I'd wager more folks hated having to study it each year in school than are native speakers themselves. Scotland is even less realistic, while Wales is actually significantly bilingual.
R8, you wrote:
"A word of advice to Americans: when visiting Europe, please do not say that without Americans German would be the main European language."
So probably calling the French "cheese-eating surrender monkeys" would be rude, too?
I never understand why other countries like to bash America when we're the sole reason the allies won WWII. Not only do we give humanitarian aid, but we support freedom of individuals around the globe. Which makes me think it's jealously. Europeans like to say we're arrogant, how should we act? Like we aren't a powerful nation? Ain't gunna happen.
[quote]Not only do we give humanitarian aid, but we support freedom of individuals around the globe
You also conduct torture on innocents, invade countries on the pretext of a lie and routinely lie in public. How does that support 'freedom"?
R47 What country are you from? Can it match the accomplishments of the United States ? If not you really don't have a point.
[quote]Europeans like to say we're arrogant, how should we act?
I'd say that these days Europeans find your politics highly hypocritical and far less arrogant.
[quote]Can it match the accomplishments of the United States ?
Every country has its accomplishments. Obviously, not ever country is as big as the US, so the worldwide impact may be smaller. Your condescending attitude is what makes people from smaller countries wary of Americans like you.
R46/48 is the same loon who claims in another thread that Elizabeth McGovern gets fewer lines than anyone else in Downton Abbey because she is the only American in the cast. Nuff said...
Oh, and you insecure, ingrate babyish R8 Eurotrash, all I can say is this: fuck you, fuck you and fuck you and fuck you. And for variety, fuck you Euros even more. From the absolute bottom of my "ugly American heart" to you subhuman, filthy, degenerate, insecure, hypocritical, lazy parasite EUROTRASH HUMAN FILTH!!!!! DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MUCH THIS UGLY AMERICAN WANTS YOU EUROPIGS TO DIE IN SCREAMING AGONY IN FRONT OF ME AFTER ALL THE BIGOTRY AND INTERNATIONAL DEATH-THREAT BULLYING WITH WHICH I'VE DEAL, EURO-VIRUS-PIGS???? WHILE I SPEW MY RED/WHITE/BLUE YANKEE PISS IN YOU EURO-COCKSUCKING-BIGOT TRASH MOUTHS????? YOU EUROTRASH ARE SIMPLY THE MOST FUNDAMENTALLY EVIL THINGS THIS AMERICAN HAS EVER SEEN ABROAD AND YOU NEED TO DIE OF CANCER.
Like it or not, without us horrible Americans, you Eurotrash, syphilis-spreading, empire-losing gutter rats, booze-pickled, chainsmoking snob-vermin WOULD be "spechen die deutsche" without us, you filthy, ungrateful, scumbag Eurotrash motherfucking CONTINENT OF SLIMEBAG, ROADKILL COCKSUCKER BIGOT-SNOB MAGGOT-BAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! After 10 years of their shit this "ugly American" wants European backpacker tourist-slithering human filth to be tortured to death. Pure and simple. Whether you're English, French or German, I hate all you slimebag, bigot, hate-spewing Eurofilth gutter rats with EVERY quantum of my red/white/blue yankee/seppo soul. I have never dealt with carbon-based liforms as detestable as English/French/German filthy maggots. Sorry, but all my experiences with your ODIOUS continent of snobs have been fucking NEGATIVE IN THE EXTREME!!!
Why do Americans find it so difficult to accept the Russian contribution to the allies victory was the most significant? Hitler, like Napoleon before him, made the grave error of trying to invade an unconquerable country and were decimated by the Russian winter and the stubbornness it's people. And the casualties figures at Stalingrad really is shocking.
(16), you mean Canada?
I know it's irrational, but I don't like Brian Williams. He does not impress me as a news anchor/journalist. I think he is impressed with himself. To me, mainstream media has not been very helpful in educating/informing the general public about their government, about our policies. It lacks depth and insight. It does not provide context.
I would rather read the news than tune to Brian Williams.
Let's see .. it has been about 67 years now. By the time you lads are my age, the United States of America will have spent the war years as a neutral party.
[quote] My father was in one of the B-17's, was shot down and was a POW in Nazi Germany for a year.
R24, Great story . Glad your dad got to Europe finally. My dad was a B-17 flyer in the Pacific. He was at Clark (Philippines) when it was bombed Dec 7-8. Right after the war he was stationed in Germany (my mom went with him & my sister was born there). He was in the CIC and interrogated a lot of Germans. He didn’t retire until 1961. He also retained a lot of disdain for his enemy the Japanese.
[quote] America got involved at the last possible minute.
R26, Hitler invaded Poland Sept 1, 1939. Britain declared war on Germany Sept 3, 1939. The US officially entered the war on Dec 8, 1941. The war ended in the summer of 1945. We didn't enter the war at the last possible minute.
Before the US entered the war it had begun to ship material and weapons to Britain beginning around late 1940. Without the financial and material aid & “loans” from the US (fuel, food, weapons of war, everything), Britain very well may have lost.
I am second to none in my admiration for the Brits as they held firm but the reality of thir survival may have had more to do with Hitler and his idiocy and his turning his attention east after the Battle of Britain when the Luftwaffe couldn’t gain air control over the Channel so they could invade England (Operation Sea Lion). Those RAF pilots in their Spitfires, etc were mostly very, very young – 19, 20, 21 – many of them with little training and many with no combat training at all. And yet they kept at bay the allegedly mighty Luftwaffe.
Great Britain was practically starving and even with the US helping out before its entry into the war they were losing incredible amounts of tonnage to U-boats in the Atlantic so a lot was not getting through.
Now let’s all sing a chorus of Sink the Bismarck and go home. See link.
R24, do you know which camp? My father was in Stalag Luft III.
R30, I completely agree about the SOE and the incredible intelligence work that went on by the UK during the war. You have to include the allies as well and those in exile in the UK - the Dutch, the Poles, etc (they also participated in the Battle of Britain) I began to read up on the intelligence work about 2 years ago and I have a healthy library on it now. I cannot imagine having the courage to do what they did. Perhaps if the world depended on me I could have mustered up the courage somehow.
If you have the chance check out the Foyle's War series. It covers the war in the UK from Spring 1940 to right after VE Day. It particularly has interesting stories about the intelligence forces. Albeit it's a police procedural but it offers a wealth of heavily researched info about the everyday lives of those living during the war from their perspective on the South coast of England and in London. You can find it on Youtube if you are inventive enough.
I had searched for ages for the film Sink the Bismarck and finally found it on Youtube. Shhh. Very good and very 1950s with Kenneth More and Dana Wynter. It's about 90 minutes long. See link.
[quote] You also conduct torture on innocents, invade countries on the pretext of a lie and routinely lie in public
Well, jeez, nobody's perfect.
The Japanese are a bloodthirsty people.
[quote]He also retained a lot of disdain for his enemy the Japanese.
When Mountbatten was killed, those planning the service learned from his will that the Japanese Ambassador was to be excluded from M's official funeral.
I knew many men who served in WWII, notably one of the Doolitle raiders, who held onto their hatred of the Japanese for the rest of their lives. Can't say I would have been any different, seeing what they saw.
[R58] Yes - my father was first in Stalag Luft 3 as well. He got there a few weeks after The Great Escape. He did recall when the list of 50 were read - supposedly shot while trying to escape. They built a memorial to them that is still there. But come January of 1944- they could hear the Russians coming so Hitler ordered to move them inside Germany. During the worst winter weather and blizzards that Germany had suffered in a century !That was the horrible "march" of about 100,000 POW's during a blizzard to Nuremberg. Lots of lives lost, feet frozen, starvation. If you fell in the snow due to exhaustion, starvation - the SS pulled up in their jeeps and shot you dead. So they carried anyone who grew too weak. Then finally in April they were moved again to Mooseburg - where Patton freed them. (I've posted about that here before.)
That's amazing that both our fathers were at Stalag Luft 3. Do you know if your father was moved on like mine was? At least the conditions at Stalag Luft 3 were livable. Not the horridness that was to come...
I have a couple dozen of his POW letters and also a book called Stalag Luft 3 - written and illustrated by fellow POW Bob Neary. Do you have it?