And today, for the first paycheck of the year, my take home is short $10 because my taxes went up.
Why? Why me? Like I don't scrape and save and make enough sacrifices?
He never lied. He said we'd have a temporary cut in our social security contributions. We did. He said it would end. It did. Now you have to contribute towards the benefits you'll be getting. Suck it up.
Yours and everyones SS taxes went up OP.
If you do not like your job, get another one.
You get paid every two days? Nice try, Freeper.
Go away you stupid, pathetic, miserable little lying freeper.
Oh really, OP? And you think your life would somehow be better if Romney had been elected? No, you would just be paying more for all your needs relative to your income, because Republicans wish for nothing more than the rich living on the backs of everyone else, without any safety net or support for the plebes.
Don't be so short-sighted.
OP, I make a similar salary at my loser job, and I'm sure I'll feel your pain when I get my first paycheck *next Friday*, but I don't believe you. Wouldn't a paycheck received today, 3 January 2013, cover a pay period in last calendar year?
I'm not a freeper, asshat at r3. Today was my first paycheck of the year. I voted for Obama twice. He fucking DITCHED us.
[quote]If you do not like your job, get another one.
Now Charlie, I've read some of the garbage you post on here over the years and I've agreed with you many times, but that statement is pure Republican. WHERE can I get another job, huh? You tell me. You think I haven't been looking for years for a better job? Your solution - get a new job. What a fucking ASSHOLE thing to say.
And r1, I HAVE a second job. I've been working 2 jobs for 5 years.
Obama is a lying politician. All politicians lie.
Give me a fucking break. The payroll tax cut was *temporary*. It was always designed to be temporary. The Social Security system needs that revenue and there is no way to leave that tax cut in place and also leave Social Security solvent.
Given the very loud posters we have had trying to convince people Obama is some liar who sold us all out that must be a current ring wing propaganda strategy.
Yer makin' me sick, OP.
Perhaps you should look into immigration and go where taxes are not collected and nothing at all gets done?
Good luck and fuck you.
OP it might be your first paycheck of the year, but you're being paid for LAST YEAR'S WORK, so nothing has changed as yet regarding taxes being taken out of your check. And if it has then you'd better speak to your payroll department and inform them of their error.
OP, TR7, what is it that Obama was supposed to do for you? I knew SS payroll tax was increasing- didn't you?
Why can't you get another job? Why have you been unable to get another job in "years"? What do you do? What kind of job are you looking for?
I can get another job I estimate within 6 months if necessary. But then I am in a profession and career where jobs are available, in fact, I am recruited at least every 6 months.
OP, your post is that of a nihilist. It contains no content or justification for your statements.
I am a progressive liberal to be sure- but not a socialist. I believe in universal health care coverage. I believe in hard work, personal responsibility, and reward for the same. I also believe in shared burden for the good of all.
Now tell us why you cannot find another job and how Obama has let you down.
We won, freepers.
You might want to blame CONGRESS OP.
Oh please. If Bush was still president you all would be having a cow over the exact same statement. I'm a democrat but I don't act like a hypocritical blind sheep going blindly into the night. In my experience the ones that do are lesbos.Just read the board, you can spot their posts a mile away. I wish this board was men only.
But to OP. You need to look for a better job. It's as simple as that. Think about any conections you might have that could help you in this. Gay Men deserve to enjoy the finer things in life. It can't be done on 30k.
I'm sickened by these comments.
[quote] Gay Men deserve to enjoy the finer things in life. It can't be done on 30k.
[quote]You need to look for a better job. It's as simple as that.
[quote] Why can't you get another job? Why have you been unable to get another job in "years"? What do you do? What kind of job are you looking for?
You call me a freeper? These comments are pure republican sensibility. You are unable to empathize. Not everyone has the same education and resources for jobs. But I AM the failure in your eyes.
All this agony over ten bucks? Maybe it's time to not renew your subscription to datalounge.
$10 a week, r17. That's $520 a year. That's just about a month of rent for me.
OP, if you got taxed at those rates for days you worked in 2012, like this past Sunday and Monday, your employer is screwing you.
Otherwise, you're just a big ol' liar.
All this talk of just finding a better job is out of touch, I agree with you on that.
But the truth is the tax holidays were all temporary measures that were never meant to permanent and Obama never claimed he would make them permanent.
[quote]These comments are pure republican sensibility.
You're getting those comments because a) there is reason to believe you're a troll, and b) because you're whining about the restoration of a temporary tax cut, one that was never intended to be permanent.
Instead of being grateful that Obama got you that tax cut for all of 2012, you're now whining that it has expired, with comments like "Fuck America. Fuck our lying Pres."
In short, you're getting exactly the reaction you deserve (and, most likely, what you were looking for, assuming that you're a troll).
R15, your insanity is showing.
R15 = Lesbo
Show some ambition and spine and get a better job, OP.
Or perhaps you are too stupid to live?
OP, you have to pay for the permanent Bush tax breaks that Obama just bestowed on everyone who earns between $250,000 and $400,000.
[quote]Now Charlie, I've read some of the garbage you post on here over the years and I've agreed with you many times, but that statement is pure Republican. WHERE can I get another job, huh? You tell me. You think I haven't been looking for years for a better job? Your solution - get a new job. What a fucking ASSHOLE thing to say.
You write great dialogue, OP.
Ever thought of script writing?
You really think you're something special, huh r24? Hot shit you are. I'll bet.
r25, you do realize where payroll taxes like Social Security and Medicare go, yes?
And BTW, although the employee's share of the Social Security tax was temporarily reduced from 6.2% to 4.2% for 2011 and 2012, the employer's share has remained constant at 6.2% during that time.
I'll pay you to STFU, OP!
Would that help?
FYI, my company - Quad/Graphics - gets a paycheck every Thursday. It is true that our 1/3/13 paycheck was technically for working last week (the final week of 2012). However, my paycheck, and everyone else's that I asked, was significantly lower today. We are all very very upset over this.
We all got a 10% paycut back in 2009, and now this is like getting another 2-3% paycut on top of that. AWFUL.
If you're just making it on $30k a year no need to waste $17 or whatever it is to start a thread on this half-baked forum.
r2 = COPYCAT
So start ordering from the friggin' dollar menu and hush up already.
r15 = homophobic homo
Ooops, stike that.
R23 = homophobic homo
I warned about it then and I'm crowing now. For the vast under-100 IQ cadre of American workers, they will think their taxes went up when this thing ends!
And you're worth every penny, OP.
You could always just kill yourself, OP - then there's more air for me.
R16- Republican sensibilities? So hard work and reward for the same is only a Republican sensibility and bad? Ambition and progressively more advanced employment is Republican?
I am a Democrat through and through. I do not mind paying higher taxes, I do not mind inheritance taxes, and I am all for universal health care coverage. Wealth, rewards for hard work and civic responsibility can exist side by side in a civil society. There ARE wealthy people in UK, Germany and France. I believe gov't is an effective advocate and agent for the people when run well.
OP, you need to tell us why you cannot get a better job, if more money is what you want. I live in NYC and 30K would be hard to live on. But in upstate NY one can live on 30K per year, especiallly if single. You need to tell us more of your circumstance rather than calling us names and striking out at a President who did a pretty good job of preserving your present tax bite rather than increasing it, which is how the Republican House set up the so call "cliff".
War is expensive.
You support the troops, don't you OP?
Hal E. Burton
[quote]OP, you need to tell us why you cannot get a better job
OP should just click his heels and wish for a well paying job.
If you voted for Obama instead of Ron Paul, you got what you deserved.
Good god, charlie is an insufferable asshole.
I didn't know why DL-ers say that about Charlie, R44, until this thread.
I know, R45.
Defending a tax increase on the poor during the current Greater Depression just shows how sick these people are. They suck government dick as long as its democrats doing it.
How many threads have you seen calling Obama out for killing people in the middle east? If he was a Republcian, they would be all to hell about the loss of civil liberties, the NDAA, the bank bailouts, the tax on the poor- but they shut up when their guy is in power.
Good golly, Obama cock suckers are an insufferable bunch.
We should all be pleased to turn ever more of our money over to the government!
You sound like a bunch of trustafarians who have never earned an honest buck in your life.
Wah. How will you go on?! HOW?!
[quote] We should all be pleased to turn ever more of our money over to the government!
This is the same rate we were paying for Social Security taxes several years ago. If you want to see them take Social Security away then by all means please continue to complain about actually having to contribute to your retirement pension.
Ahem... YOU LOST, you insufferable fools!
Deal with it.
Fuck off OP! At least you have a job. America cannot afford not to pay more taxes now. Unless we take it to the streets and demand they stop financing world peace. Its simply not fair to us gaylings who pay into SS for it to not be there when we get old. So pay up eldergays! Obama can suck my dick too. Because of the healthcare reform hours are getting cut left and right. Fuck everybody!
You get paid on Thursdays? It's the 3rd, what pay period could you have possibly been paid TODAY for that would have been affected by this?
"Its simply not fair to us gaylings who pay into SS for it to not be there when we get old."
[quote] You get paid on Thursdays? It's the 3rd, what pay period could you have possibly been paid TODAY for that would have been affected by this?
Not OP but I get paid bi-weekly and my employer pays for current week worked. I also get paid on Thursdays and the paycheck covers through the end of that current week. So when I get paid next week it will be for 12-29-12 through 1-12-13.
OP, you're a fucking moron. If you got paid today, all of those hours you got paid for are from 2012 (unless your payroll department is extremely efficient, and somehow managed to get those first two days in January on today's paycheck).
[quote]Given the very loud posters we have had trying to convince people Obama is some liar who sold us all out that must be a current ring wing propaganda strategy.
I've been thinking the same thing; freepers still making their 50 cents a post or whatever. The wording is similar, as though they are hitting talking points, and the meme seems to be that "the president betrayed us" when overall, he GOT something from the Republicans, and the payroll tax (which covers SS and unemployment insurance) which was temporarily cut, is now restored.
I am an office manager. Apparently, a lot of you don't really look at or understand your pay stub. I do know people that did not even realize they were getting paid more for months after the soc sec tax holiday. Of course, most of them made a lot of money....guess when you make so much you don't pay attention as much.
I knew this would happen. We have all been taking home more money for almost two years because a "stimulus" was passed and they agreed to lower the soc sec withheld from employees from 6.2% to 4.2%...now people are going to complain their taxes went up! Guarantee the Repubs go around saying..."See Obama raised taxes" and many people will blame this "increase" on Obama.
We get paid every two weeks with a pay period going Thursday to Wednesday. So, our first paycheck was today for the period 12/20/12 to 1/2/13. You pay taxes based on the date you get paid. So, we paid taxes based on the tax table in effect on 1/3/13. That's the way it works.
[quote]Unless we take it to the streets and demand they stop financing world peace.
I think this is what will destroy the US. What we are doing isn't sustainable.
I can't get over the fact that OP pays only $520 a month rent--I have to pay $400 just to get monthly parking near my office!!!
The people bitching will be shocked next week when they see their paycheck has dropped by at least 2%.
It doesn't matter what the rationale is for them- the FACT is that the poorest people are paying higher taxes.
Someone making 26k/yr is taking home $10 less each week, or $500 each year. And that doesn't include all the other bullshit taxes.
Fuck the government.
You do realize people live different lives than you R59? Both in terms of working jobs that pay less money and not living in cities so there overall cost of living is much lower.
Of course people will bitch R60, and other people will correct them and explain they were living under a temporary tax holidays and that was the normal rate they always paid. Probably won't be enough of the latters, ignorance is much more common.
Why raise the tax on the poorest people?
The 2% rise applies to ALL wage earners, and so raises taxes on the poor.
People that support raising taxes on the poor are shit in my book.
Are you too stupid to see that this hurts the poor?
Don't know whether OP is serious ... but just in case, don't spend $18 to post on a discussion board.
R62 - taxes aren't being raised on the poorest people, a temporary stimulus measure expired. How hard is that to comprehend? The fact is, the poorest are the ones who are going to need Social Security and Medicare when they get older, but here you are trying to rally people toward your cause of defunding and ultimately eliminating these important safety nets.
Yes - it was a temporary holiday reduction in Social Security tax. It was a wrong decision when it was enacted last year and now we're back to normal.
Get used to it.
Wow most of you are entitled assholes.
I'm making under 30k a year. Used to make nice money until the job got sent overseas. Spent almost 2 years out of work. I'm happy to have the job and believe me if I could find something better I would. There's nothing out there.
When you are at this income level, every dime helps. While many of you seem to think this is no big deal when you are trying to get by of 30k a year, $10 a pay check can make a huge difference.
I contribute very little to the economy. I haven't purchased anything in years. The only thing I spend my money on is food, shelter and utilities.
Why is it that all of my income is subject to social security taxes and someone making a little over 100K doesn't pay social security tax on all their income?
Of course as usual, the lower income people take it up the ass while higher income earners get the breaks.
OP, you still haven't explained how your paycheck has already gone down $10 when you have yet to be paid for any time worked in 2013.
Because several of us have explained it for the OP already if you would take the time to read and stop bitching R67.
No one should have been counting on the payroll tax holiday to last forever. I know it was easy to get used to, but those of us lucky enough to be employed got by before the reduction went into effect. I know, it sucks, but we all knew it was a possibility.
What's ironic is that many of those who are now complaining about the "tax hike" and Obama "selling us out" were also complaining two years ago that Obama had "sold us out" when he negotiated that temporary stimulus.
The temporary drop in funding social security was foolish to begin with. It means we'll all have paid in less which knowing how our asshole Congress works will mean they'll turn it into some crisis at some point.
They should have lowered federal taxes by the 2%. And they should be doing a 2% reduction or a 2 % increase on the wealthy right now to continue the stimulus.
The economy is not stable or in good enough shape and taking $10 a paycheck from the people who pour money into the economy was shortsighted.
How can you live on $30,000? We used to make near that when we were lifeguards.
It's not living, R72, it's existing.
I've got my monthly expenses down to $1600 a month. I take home $800 every 2 weeks.
There is no room for surprises. There is no eating out, no going to the movies, no buying clothes or anything else.
The only flexibility is with my food budget.
So is that $30,000 at the one job, or is that both jobs combined?
[quote]I am a progressive liberal to be sure- but not a socialist. I believe in universal health care coverage. I believe in hard work, personal responsibility, and reward for the same. I also believe in shared burden for the good of all.
MTE. I agree with Charlie 100%
I'm wondering the same thing, R67..
Even the "Office Manager" at R57 claims to get paid for hours worked BEFORE he works them:
[quote]We get paid every two weeks with a pay period going Thursday to Wednesday. So, our first paycheck was today for the period 12/20/12 to 1/2/13. You pay taxes based on the date you get paid. So, we paid taxes based on the tax table in effect on 1/3/13. That's the way it works.
I do payroll for my company on line and there is no way I would be able to get it processed for hours worked on 1/2/13 (some employees working as late as 11pm) and have paychecks in hand on 1/3/13. Not possible.
I think a good number of people here are confused about how payroll works. You typically are getting paid for the hours you worked a full week prior. It takes a few days to get all the hours in, process payroll and have checks printed/sent or direct deposit funds wired.
I used to work for a bank that paid us for hours worked up to 5pm on payday. Yes, we got paid at 8am for hours we hadn't worked yet. We were paid for 40 hours per week even if we worked only 37.5, and only had to do corrections if the hours were shorter than that, or if we ended up working overtime.
Now, the bank makes everyone work 40 to get paid for 40 and pays a week delayed, just like everyone else.
My current employer pays on Thursday for hours worked through the prior Sunday. Payroll is calculated on Monday.
"Why is it that all of my income is subject to social security taxes and someone making a little over 100K doesn't pay social security tax on all their income?"
Why is this never discussed by the Democrats as a way to fix SS, Medicare and, hell, even fund universal healthcare?
Tax all income, including capital gains, for these programs and means test SS payments upon retirement. Fixed and solvent forever. Done.
Oh Honey, now you will not be able to get your Starbucks double whipped half and half double pumped black and white with half pack of sweet & low
R79, you do realize that people really are struggling with money and aren't wasting it on crap like that, right? You sound like a blithering idiot.
Where's your comment on the rich people whining about having to pay extra taxes on their yachts?
That isn't entirely true, is it? You have some flexibility as you have at least $18/year to spend on a membership here.
Now, that's completely your right to spend money on whatever entertainment you want, and obviously $18/year isn't that bad. But you've made it sound like you don't have an extra penny anywhere and as you've already said, $10/check is a lot of money to you so a subscription here could be considered a luxury.
Several posters have brought it up but you haven't responded to it.
R81, who the hell are you to criticize the guy in his shitty job for how he spends his spare, hard-earned, ten or twenty bucks, and why do you think government bureaucrats sitting on their fat asses in Washington, DC can make better use of it?
If he can dish he can take, R82.
Just got my first check and it's down $120 from the last one. Our payroll person says there will be more deductions coming.
R81 - It's obvious that OP is being dishonest at every turn.
First, his payroll taxes haven't gone up yet, in spite of his claims.
Second, he speaks of his annual income of $30k as if that's a poverty-level income. Unless OP has children or a serious medical issue, he's not exactly living paycheck to paycheck. The $10/month in tax increases that OP falsely claims to already be paying should be easily absorbed at his income level.
R68 - are you high? No one has explained how OP's payroll taxes went up before payroll tax rates went up.
OP, we get why you're only making $30K a year. Not the sharpest tool in the shed, dear.
[quote]I can't get over the fact that OP pays only $520 a month rent--I have to pay $400 just to get monthly parking near my office!!!
Are you for real with this bullshit? Who are you, Mitt Romney? How can you be so grossly out of touch?
You do not "have to" pay for parking at all. You can walk or take public transit, like actual people who struggle financially. Be grateful you have a job and a car to get there. Someone who can only swing $520 a month for housing often can't even afford a car.
You can also turn that "office" job down and settle for something geographically closer, which would likely limit your job options severely and have a much more negative impact on your financial situation than $400/month on your current salary.
OMG. What the hell is wrong with you Americans? $10.00 lousy bucks of a tax increase and you're bitching. Let me break this to you gently. If you want a great country, you have to pay for it.
R89 what we are paying for is a bunch of bull shit pork projects that keep these bastards in congress getting re elected.
What kills me about Americans and taxes is that everyone thinks they know EXACTLY what we should be spending America's wealth on and that the country would be just SO MUCH better off if spending hewed to their sensibilities.
NASA -- haters and lovers of spending on this
The Military -- haters and lovers
Social Programs -- haters and lovers
PBS -- haters and lovers
Disaster aid -- haters and lovers
Infrastructure in states other than their own -- haters
[quote][R68] - are you high? No one has explained how OP's payroll taxes went up before payroll tax rates went up.
Maybe you are high? It was explained at R57. Here is another source.
"The rule is: The paycheck is considered as taxable income in the year the paycheck is ISSUED (dated), even if the work was done and the pay was earned in a different year"
Join the rest of the world in the knowledge that a great country costs money. The US is so far down in the ditch, I can't imagine how on earth it is ever going to make a comeback. Being a member of a society has responsibilities. One of those responsibilities is paying a fair tax. The US public hasn't paid its fair share of taxes since the 70's. This is why your country is in the mess it is in now.
OP, this is a serious question and is not meant to offend in any way. How do you live on $30,000? Do you save any of your money?
I agree that $30K is a pretty shitty wage. But even so, if $10.00 per paycheck is going to force you to go without food, shelter or be unable to pay your bills, then your tax rate is the least of your worries, honey.
You now have ten dollars less? We can't even fathom the horror!
What do you guys do such that you can view 30k as a very low and bad income?
I make slightly more than the OP's 30k as a math professor at a community college in eastern KY. I have advanced degrees in math so I'm not making low income due to a lack of intellectual ability.
There are plenty of smart people who don't make a lot of money. The economy is still in recovery and jobs in rural areas tend to pay less than those in urban areas.
R97, I think it's just natural due to comparing one's own income. I make $180K in Chicago and don't feel rich, so I look at a $30K salary and think I'd starve to death. But I'm sure it would look a lot different if I were making $35K. (But I've never thought that a lot of people making lower wages aren't also terribly smart.)
R97, don't let it get you down. There are a lot of Dataloungers who will use any excuse to put down another person and make themselves feel superior. The world is full of people like this.
There is also a disproportionate number of gay men who are extremely snobbish, materialistic and obsessed with class and wealth. They love to flaunt their own fortunes why belittling anyone who earns less.
Then there are entitled, clueless rich folk like R98, pulling down a six figure salary in 2012, when many of us have been downsized, furloughed, laid off or have had stagnant wages for a decade or more, claiming he doesn't feel rich and he'd starve on a wage that many can only dream of right now.
[quote] I do payroll for my company on line and there is no way I would be able to get it processed for hours worked on 1/2/13 (some employees working as late as 11pm) and have paychecks in hand on 1/3/13. Not possible.
Probably because even if at our company some employees fill out timesheets, it is assumed that they worked their regularly scheduled hours every pay period and any vacation, sick or other days are then reconciled after the fact. Any overtime worked during that period is also reconciled on the next paycheck.
R99, thanks for being a dick when I was just trying to demonstrate that it's easy to be myopic when you've been relatively blessed.
And fyi, I've never been 'entitled' in my life. I've very grateful for the help I've had along the way in life toward being moderately successful, and I'm both generous and glad to pay my taxes (and more) to help others get the same support in theirs.
R43, 44, 46, 60, 61 is the same angry and clueless person.
Oh, the Ron Paul lunatic, which actually says a lot more about Ron Paul's lunacy than the lunatic intends.
op got pwned
People do realize that in 2011 the average personal income in the United States was $41,500?
A HUGE percentagee of people in this country get by on 30,000 or less. Hell 48% make around 25k a year or lower. Even if many of us are fortunate enough to make more it is stupid to sound like Mitt Romney and be completely out of touch with most peoples lives.
I do agree with the poster who said though if you are a childless person who didn't let yourself get into huge amounts of debt 30k a year should be comfortable to live on with your rent only being 520(very appropriate for the salary).
You don't actually have it that bad, quit your complaining.
Thanks, [R105]. I was going to point out the same thing. Also, at $30K, OP is making over 2 times minimum wage.
Quit yer bitchin!
Who the hell would work for 30K a year? What are you all retarded? Did you fail high school?
Judge Judy/R107, please confine your comments to your own thread.
[r107] Apparently you missed my post. I make a bit more than the OP. I have a masters degree in math and another masters degree in math education. My undergraduate degree is in math.
I teach at a community college in eastern KY and my starting salary was 34k. Due to some raises, it is now 36k. I should be promoted to the next rank beginning Fall 2013 and will make 39K.
Public school teachers (who are also underpaid) make more than most instructors and professors in community colleges or at private liberal arts colleges. There is a private liberal arts college in my town and their professors make less than we do at the community college.
As previously noted there are a lot of very educated people who make around 30k. My twin brother has his masters degree and is a program supervisor of pre-trial services. He has staff and yet only makes 29k.
I tried to get him to go to law school. I'm thinking about applying to state or federal statistician jobs.
What kind of loser would be complacent with a "shit job" making only 30k?
R109, don't try to get your brother to go to law school. Law school isn't a good investment anymore even in larger cities with higher salaries, unless you graduate at the top of your class and are willing to sell your soul for years to pay back loans. If he ever wants to go back to your area or stay there, he'll never get his investment back.
R109, listen to R111. Law school is a big gamble these days. I see so many law students with huge debt and no job prospects. it used to be the top quarter of the class usually got jobs. Now it's top ten percent, and even then they're not guaranteed jobs.
[quote]What kind of loser would be complacent with a "shit job" making only 30k?
I guess millions of teachers across the US are losers too, you bitch.
Wow, OP. Reading the replies to your post made me sick.
The majority seem to think the government should pay you more, and the rest attack you for being poor.
Did you vote for Ron Paul?
If you make 30k then you are paying 8-10k in taxes, from SS taxes (which you will never see a penny) to property taxes (do you really think the landlord doesn't pass on his tax burden to the renter?) to sales taxes.
The vast majority of those taxes are wasted on incompetent administrators and police thugs and big bank/military/pharma subsidies. Doesn't that make you sick?
[quote]If you make 30k then you are paying 8-10k in taxes, from SS taxes (which you will never see a penny)
You do realize that this statement is not only false, it's stupidly false, right? Just checking.
5k federal tax
3k state tax
Property and sales tax
Equals +/ 10k
Are you that ignorant? Can you not see how taxes fuck the little guy?
Add an extra 2% due to SS taxes rising, and wonder why people are starving.
If you're making $30K in Eastern Kentucky, it's a lot different than making in New York City. At 30K you almost qualify for public housing.
Dear heart, I was referring to your "which you will never see a penny" bullshit. Although, now that you mention it, your tax numbers don't add up, either. Not too surprising, since you have a habit of just making shit up.
Here goes the Anti-American Communist shit again. Jeez, Louise. If you live in America and hate it, then LEAVE. If you don't live in America and you hate it, STAY OUT. That is all.
Gay Man Who Loves America
Law is getting short shrift these days but I think if you can get a legal education, it's always a good thing. And then do something else if you want, open a coffee shop. Just have that diploma because chances are it will come in handy some day. It's gold.
R116? Some states do not have income tax.
I don't even make enough to pay taxes...I wish I did. Why blame the President? George Bush and Republicans gave the rich a free ride for 10 years...yet you blame the president for the debt created by the war in Iraq, OP? Fuck you...fuck you to hell and back...goddamn ignorant, lying, Republican asshole.
ha ha ha ha!
[quote] If you live in America and hate it, then LEAVE. If you don't live in America and you hate it, STAY OUT. That is all
You don't seem to understand how America works. You must have slept during your civics class.
What would be wrong with the following tax police?
To start off, all money received during a given year is income. The source doesn't matter. Wages, rental, capital gains, investments, profits, etc. are all income.
Everything under $40,000 is not taxed. (SS and Medicare are still taken from all brackets and all income, no more cap)
Everything from $40,000 to $150,000 is taxed at 25%.
Everything from $150,000 to $500,000 is taxed at 40%.
Everything above $500,000 is taxed at 70%.
The brackets can be changed a bit, but, in general, why wouldn't that be fair?
BTW, I picked the $40,000 mark because that is something that you can survive on anywhere in the country. You can choose to live somewhere cheap with your tax-free $40,000 and have more stuff or you can choose to live somewhere expensive on it and just get by. And, no, you will not die living in a city on $40,000, you just won't live very well but that's your choice to live there.
Meant policy, not police at R126...wouldn't want to rile the libertarians any more than necessary.
This is fucked up. There should be no tax increases on someone making only 30,000/year.
[quote]The brackets can be changed a bit, but, in general, why wouldn't that be fair?
Fairness has nothing to do with it. Where are the deductions? Deductions and exemptions are how politicians get elected. If a politician can't get elected, he can't sponsor your tax plan.
OP's a lying, whining, freeper shitstain.
Let's just say it over and over so it's really clear for the OP.
It was the Republicans who made this fight about protecting the wealthy at all costs.
Now get to work on the midterm elections and get more Dems in Congress.
Just got my first 2013 paycheck, too - it's $60 less. :(
I can drink 19 cups of coffee, yet still get drowsy at the first mention of "pay period" or "withholdings".
[quote]OP, we get why you're only making $30K a year. Not the sharpest tool in the shed, dear.
W&W for R87
If you're paycheck is $60 less, then you must make around $50K/yr.
To Datalounge standards, you're rich.
For the people that don't seem to realize that all of them are going to be paying higher taxes under the new tax code- especially the poor- I hope they read this.
Compare your last 2012 check to your first check in 2013.
R136? It has nothing to do with a new tax code. the 2% increase is due to the expiration of the Social Security "tax holiday" instated 2 years ago that was not renewed. So everyone is paying the same rate they paid 2 years ago.
Move along, nothing to see here.
R137, the fact remains that they could have extended it or made it permanent and made up the difference by raising the cap. They chose to take money out of the pockets of the poorest in the nation at a time when they can't afford it when an easy alternative was possible.
I'd really like someone who understands taxation to discuss what I wrote at R126.
R138, the utter disdain you have for the poor and your determination to bankrupt and phase out Medicare and Social Security is disgusting.
R126. That is exactly how South Africans are taxed.
A third of my salary goes to taxes. I have to pay my own medical aid, own Retirement Fund. We do not have 401K's. If you lose your job, that is it, you have no income.
so sad too bad
The fact that Obama and congress chose to let taxes rise on the poorest working people should show you how much disdain these freaks in DC have for the "commoners".
People that defend Obama on this issue (not to mention the "murder by drone" and NDAA policies) show how shallow their thinking really is. You're just as bad as the freepers.
[quote]The fact that Obama and congress chose to let taxes rise on the poorest working people should show you how much disdain these freaks in DC have for the "commoners".
ROFL.... Meanwhile, out here in the real world, a temporary measure expired. And Social Security will now return to being fully funded.
Give it a rest, cupcake. A hundred posts, each saying exactly the same thing, is just spam.
Only an idiot would defend raising taxes on the poorest of the poor.
By raising the taxes of minimum wage workers by 2% Obama has shown that he is just like Bush- a tool of the banks.
Anyone who thinks that raising the taxes on the poorest 20% will help the bankrupt SS System is as stupid as Krugman.
[quote]Only an idiot would defend raising taxes on the poorest of the poor.
ROFL.... Only an idiot would pretend that Obama raised taxes on the poorest of the poor. Go ahead, dear: quote me the specific language in the bill that raised taxes. I'll be waiting.
[quote]By raising the taxes of minimum wage workers by 2% Obama has shown that he is just like Bush- a tool of the banks.
ROFL.... Yes, and Congressional Republicans had nothing whatever to do with it. Thanks for confirming you're a moron, dear.
[quote]Anyone who thinks that raising the taxes on the poorest 20% will help the bankrupt SS System is as stupid as Krugman.
Thanks for the compliment, dear. Of course, out here in the real world, the Social Security system isn't anywhere close to being "bankrupt," nor will it ever be, but hey, why let a little dose of reality get in your way.
This was a temporary tax cut, dear. It was always intended to be a temporary tax cut. We're returning to the status quo of the past quarter century. To pretend otherwise is, of course, dishonest, but then we expect no less from you.
Oh boo hoo your taxes went up ten dollars. You sound like a freeper.
R139, you're either quoting the wrong post or you have the reading comprehension skills of a chimp.
Obama sucks. Sources:
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Go eat a big dick
B===D thats what you are, ass fuck.
Is it any surprise that R150 - R152 are all the same poster. The same really dumb poster.
Do you think Obama has a striped nasty?
That's a Social Security increase. Obama is way better than any Republican. Your tax increase would've been much worse had he not fought for the middle class regarding the fiscal cliff issue.
Sorry you have a shitty job. I had a shitty job and was laid off and now I have no shitty job and am on unemployment. Keep looking for something better...
Typical mos just work long enough to qualify for unemployment then mooch off the government's teat.
Bitch at R156, I live in the SF Bay area and I assure you unemployment does not pay my living expenses. I always gotta laugh at the anti-unemployment idiots because they act as if unemployment is equivalent to my salary I'm making half of what I made before I got laid off (oh and this is the first time in my life that I've ever collected unemployment and I'm in my mid 40's). Would much rather be working so I can enjoy all the things I did prior to getting laid off and can eat something other than lentils and rice.
[quote] I live in the SF Bay area and I assure you unemployment does not pay my living expenses
Typical 'mo, you chose to live in one of the most expensive cities in America and now want someone else to support you.
Always with the, "Too cheap to buy a condom, so let the government pick up my two grand a month antiretrovirals."
Fuckin' get a job or move.
[quote] If you're paycheck is $60 less, then you must make around $50K/yr.
My paycheck was $42 less and I make just over $56k.
Oh and I am paid b-weekly, if that makes a difference.
Nonsense spewer at R159, What do condoms have to do with getting laid off? If you hate the "mo's" so much, then why are you in a gay forum?
Typical self-loathing troll who jerks off to gay porn in his mom's basement.
I make about $8000 a year and I'll be paying about $160 or so extra this year. That's a lot when you only take home about $650 a month.
Yes, I'll get it back when I file my taxes but when you add that $160 onto the over $1000 I was already paying, you're talking a full 1/8th of my income when I make almost nothing to begin with.
It doesn't matter what your paycheck is or was, the bottom line is you'll be paying more in taxes, unless you have some tax shelters.
Or you can do what I did. I went to my boss and demanded a raise. Seeing that I am such an excellent worker, he knew he'd have to give in and pay me more to keep me on.
That's how it works in America. If you're needed at your job, you get more money. If you can be replaced, you will be.
It's simple and the sooner you understand this, the better it is, and the quicker you can make it work for you.
Lol, once again R159 the election is over and the "America" you represent is fast fading, so now is time for you to just visit another gunshow while you can, and enjoy your Hot Pocket before you begun that diet you so badly need!
Yeah get on the bandwagon.
You can now just mooch of the government. That is what the Democrats and Welfare Obama want. Don't work, be lazy.
LET SOMEONE ELSE DO IT.
That's Poz Face Obama's motto.
It has nothing (mostly) to do with gayness. It is an attack on the poor.
Meanwhile, out here in the real world, a temporary stimulus has expired and the Social Security tax has returned to what it has been for the past quarter century.
Hardly an "attack on the poor," dear, but don't let a little reality get in your way. It certainly never has before.
Are the freepers STILL mad that they got their ass kicked by Obama in the election?
R166, Do you ever wonder what life would be like if you'd had enough oxygen at birth?
R168, would it be more taxes if they'd removed the SS contributions cap? I bet, in your mind, it would be even though it is what the rich should have been paying all along and were just lucky to have had a much longer holiday than the working poor got.
[quote]would it be more taxes if they'd removed the SS contributions cap?
Yes, because it's a change in the status quo. It's also a change that I fully support as that single step goes a long way towards making Social Security fully solvent.
You are too poor for the the Rethuglicans or the Demoncrats to give a shit.
If you make less than 500k/yr they don't care.
Too bad you didn't vote for Ron Paul- he would have eliminated income tax for everyone.
[quote]Too bad you didn't vote for Ron Paul- he would have eliminated income tax for everyone.
He would also have eliminated all benefits for everyone.
And, of course, there's a little matter that Ron Paul wouldn't have eliminated income tax for everyone because he couldn't even if he wanted to, nor could he singlehandedly rein in spending.
my friend works at Walmart. He makes 25,000 a year.
Your simple, incorrect and hateful mischaracterization of Ron Paul shows how the media shapes the mind of you and your people.
I am so glad I've taken of the chains of my oppressors! I will not be a slave!
I've never met a Ron Paul supporter older than about 25. They lose interest right about the time they have to leave their mama's teet and enter the real world.
[quote]Your simple, incorrect and hateful mischaracterization of Ron Paul shows how the media shapes the mind of you and your people.
ROFLMAO.... Dear heart, do tell me what was "incorrect" and "hateful" in my post in R175.
I wrote that he would have eliminated benefits for everyone. That ranks up there as a big "duh," since Ron Paul is no fan of the social safety net as he himself has repeatedly noted. And even if that were not the case, he could not sustain the current level of benefits had he somehow been able to get rid of all income taxes.
As for the second part of my post, I was simply noting that the President is not a dictator. Ron Paul *can't* eliminate spending or taxes because he doesn't control either of these things: Congress does.
It's very revealing that you took umbrage at those simple statements of fact. Tell me, were you drunk last night?
[quote]I am so glad I've taken of the chains of my oppressors! I will not be a slave!
ROFL.... Yes, dear, you will, and are, because you lack the courage of your convictions, as you've made clear, repeatedly.
OP here. Just returned to this thread and I'm kind of sick to death at some of these comments. I work and live in a big city where prices are high, and 30K is just enough to scrape by. My first paycheck of 2013 was $10 less and you think I'm lying. Shall I scan my paystub and show you? You think I'm lying? I've been trying to get a job for years. Getting a job is hard, and when you work full time, getting time off for the rare interview is even harder.
Fuck it, I really don't care about my problems anymore. I won't feel sorry for myself.
What I do feel sorry for are the people who are worse off than me and reading what some of you supposed liberal gays are saying about the poor, even if you claim its in jest. On an anonymous message board, the truth comes out.
Some of you are pitiful, hate-filled, greedy people who would fit in with Mitt Romney loving Republicans.
You're only liberal and empathetic when it serves you to be.
I'm only in my 30s, and I know one day I hope things get better and I will be making more, hopefully in the 6 digit range. And if I ever do, I will never, never act like r21, 24, 29, 37, 38, 39, 55, 56, 85, 87, 89, 96, 106, 130, 134 and 148. You all are vile.
And btw, I take back what I say in my OP about America and our lying Pres. That was crass and I acted out of anger. It's because I love America that I'm angry.
If you don´t like your job, get a new one and stop complaining.
OP, there are people making MINIMUM WAGE in big cities, on public assistance. Those are the people that are scraping to get by. Im not saying you are making a fortune either, but you shouldnt be complaining about 10 lousy dollars getting taking from your check.
Americans have such a warped viewed of taxation. Politicians have permanently destroyed realistic expectations Americans should have of taxes, because they all run for office saying they will reduce taxes. They also let corporations get by with murder. You have to pay more taxes to afford the quality of life and security that America has.
R184, if 90% of those taxes weren't wasted on killing brown people in countries 10,000 miles away, or paying exorbitant salaries to fatass morons in government, or bailing out big banks and mega corps you would have a point.
But, you don't.
But r184, that $10 is all I have! I am by no means poor, but I am an educated person and I HAVE pulled myself up by my bootstraps and worked hard. But let's face it, sometimes there are walls! And the walls are color and class blind and sometimes just misfortune.
Do you care to share the difference between your paycheck in January compared to December?
How big was your tax increase!
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